Ademoore07:
Lol. i guess he had been brainwashed.

We the Muslims are still trying to tame the bigot Prof Akintola of MURIC and one person is here on Nairaland trying to become a Christian bigot again.

My mom is a Christian and dad a Muslim. Infact I’ve been to the church countless times so I don’t know why and how that guys wants to achieve the animosity he’s calling for among Yoruba divides.

uninspired07:


So because I want Muslims to go to their schools & avoid causing problems for Christians, I am s bigot?

You’re simply playing taqiyya with me & I am up to your tricks. I want all Christians & Muslims to maintain their lane & not clash in Yorubaland.

The clashes are getting too much & our muslin brothers are always the aggressors.

You are a liar. You called for war between them and even said the Christians in Yorubaland should migrate to the SE in one of your post. Are you denying this?

There is no clash among us, can you mention one clash that have existed among us where any one of us picked up arm against one another?

Kokoebapluse:



Kosija tele but what am trying to let you Christian know is that we Yoruba Muslim can't hurt you because you are a Christian, we don't reject you, where in Yoruba land you see a Muslim school suspense student because he didn't attend mosque? But you Christian want to start that in Yoruba land, everybody have his opinion over religion, that place is called school not a church, even if it's call Christian school there should be a law tenorate none Christian in that school. Bro let reason this stuff if Yoruba Christian bring all this shit it won't end well with them oo. Yoruba Muslim don't hurt anybody we love everybody. Pls Christian should be careful

That guy is not a Yoruba. He is an irredeemable religious bigot and I’ve been following him on this forum.

He called for war between Yoruba Muslims and Christians in one of his post and even said the Yoruba Christian should leave the Yoruba Muslims and go and live with the Christian in the SE/SS.

Don’t engage him as a Yoruba.

Ademoore07:
Check my signature and use of those details to search for my identity on facebook. I think most gullible muslims like u think christianity is a religion of intolerance. This proves why many people tagged u terrorist. Go do ur research.

Bro that guy you quoted is a Christian.

He is a Christian fanatics on Nairaland that I’m still trying to unravel his Yorubaness.

He is no different from the Muslim bigots in the north just that he is a Christian bigot down south.

Kfed4ril:


Mr Christian, if he willingly took his daughter to a Muslim school then he shouldn’t feel bad at all.

Because it’s a Christian owned school dosen’t mean everyone MUST compulsorily go to church.

It’s just a stupid ideology that the NUC ought to regulate.

Timileyin1234:
I’m a Christian but is it a must to attend church ni

God will bless you.

This is what I was saying in my initial post. Even if the guy is a Christian why will he be forced to stand a chapel when he is not a kindergarten.

No compulsion in religion let alone in a university. The religious owned universitities in Nigeria both Muslims Nd Christian alike are running those universities like a cult group and NUC that is meant to regulate their activities seems not to care.

uninspired07:
Legendher0, I am waiting for you oo.

What is wrong in Muslim students enrolling in crescent university & leaving Christian schools alone.

You know I complained to you earlier about Muslim aggression in Yorubaland & you allayed my fears but you’re now showing your true color in this thread.

I need your response.

Why did they had to admit him to the university in the first place considering he was a Muslim.

Also why did they not indicate clearly on their website that they are a Christian owned institution? They come out like a secular university with ties to the seven-day Adventist church (later included online).

You are a Christian bigot, you all need to be kept in check just like we are trying to do for Prof Akintola of MURIC.

You guys do not uphold the religious tolerance ideal of the Yorubas that our ancestors have preserved.

uninspired07:


I am Yoruba & Christian too but I don’t see any injustice done to the young man. What I see is a Muslim attempt to force their religion on Christian schools. Bros, do you know cresecent university, Sapon in Ogun State?

If yes, please enrol your Muslim wards there. Kosija ninu oro yi rara...

You are not a Yoruba. I’ve been watching you keenly on this forum and my eyes are on you.

You are a religious bigot and your own bigotry is even more pronounced than the Islamic fanatics of the north.

You are a Christian fanatics and you even chose religion above your tribe by calling for war among Muslim and Christina Yoruba.

It’s either you’re from a different tribe that had already been accustomed to the Yoruba tradition or your family is from a mixed tribe.

Jimiyung:
Why not start your university and tell the students to follow their religion of choice. The same thing happens in Babcock, covenant etc. even if he goes to court, he will lose because it is in the handbook and signed a contract before even getting a room in the hostel. There are many Universities in Nigeria, he can go there. Or if you have your company, will you allow your staff resume at any time they want.

Ppl like to argue blindly.
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People like you also argue without reasoning? To start with, is Adeleke in the same league like the Babcoks?

Is Adeleke university owned by a church? During the granting of Adeleke university right by the NUC, was it labeled a religious owned institution?

You might know more than me because I’ve searched almost everywhere and I haven’t got that link yet to ascertain that fact.

Wendybrown:



Will u stop being sentimental and say things as it is. This things are laid down rules, if u can't abide by it why not leave and save yourself and everyone else concerned from unnecessary trouble, the voice of the people is the voice of God,if we've all agreed we don't want a thing why deliberately enter d system and cause problem na..Let's learn to respect rules and regulations please na new year we dey, if dem say na Amadioha dem dey worship dere if e no sweet u waka go wia suit u, Shikena

This is not a matter of being sentimental, it’s plain ridiculous that it was not mentioned on their school website that Adeleke university is a Christian school.

Remember the website most times if the first point of contact for students, maybe I’m using the USA Uni as my own line of reasoning tho.

I read the core value & mission and vision on their website and even tried exploring further but they projected the school like a secular school.

uninspired07:


Sir, what is rubbish in what I said?

So Muslims must attend Christian schools?

Is it by force?

Is it’s stated on the school website that it is a Christian university?

Go on the website now and read their mission and core values. There is not a place where they made mention that it is a Christian school.

fayomim:



Is it by force to attend Christian universities. You people just like wahala...

Is it stated on their school website that it is a Christian university?

uninspired07:


Withdraw & enrol in crescent university, Sapon, Ogun State.

You are saying rubbish.

Kingsean:
crap... you are a Muslim that don't wanna attend church programmes and u go to a Christian university. you are forming stubborn and crying everywhere. rubbish. if u cannot cope, don't attend the school. its a faith based school. its even on their website. i don't know why people are like this

You are saying rubbish. Why did they accepted a Muslim into their institution in the first place?

Why is a university even making it compulsory for students to attend churches when they are not kindergartens. This also applies to the Christians in the institution, so I will always need to be at the chapel everytime even if it’s against my will?

Government need to change some laws governing these private universities coz these guys are currently managing them like a cult group.

The Southwest have always been the pioneer of innovative government policies right from inception.

I hope the other regions follow this pattern and stop behaving like sissies shouting ontop of their voices online when the terrorist Fulanis rape their mothers and sisters.

We will measure their success by second quarter of this year and see if they will live up to expectations.

Aji se bi Odua laari, Odua o se bi baba eni kankan!

LordVoldermort:
You didn't provide any proof to oppose Ojukwu claim on your thread, well now you know when I kept silent I can distinguish between a reasonable person, a reactionary and a politician

Gracias

So New York Times, Reuters, Guardian, and a video from Britishpathe with a time stamp is not enough evidence?

If we can’t accept these news medium that have existed since the 1860s upward as evidence then we can as well say all the information we ever know about nigeria is false. Our amalgamation, independence, Biafran war, etc. are all false because these western press are the ones that actually gave us a detailed report of these incidents.

I will cease this argument coz I’ve achieved my aim. I have been able to prove that all the Igbos on Nairaland cannot bring out a single source of evidence to back their assertions.

Let’s stop discussing on this topic and concentrate on this thread.

Gracias!

LordVoldermort:
If you read my post at all you would see that wasn't my point many people have given you proof and you nicely ignored it

Who was incharge of the Eastern region?

No one gave me proof on that thread. Not even one source was cited.

What you guys are doing is just using logical deduction to back your assertions and most of the logics are flawed. Like asking rhetorical questions like you just did to derail the request for proof.

It’s simple. Bring out a single source of evidence whether picture/Video/ journals/newspaper archives that can serve as your evidence that Ojukwu released him.

I repeat again, NO one gave evidence to back their assertions. We should have several hundreds/thousands of Igbos profile on this platform, if you all can’t bring a single evidence to support Ojukwu’s claim then I’m ashamed of you guys.

LordVoldermort:
.

LordVoldermort , You haven’t replied to my last mention where I said you should bring up any evidence to back your claim about the Gowon/Ojukwu/Awo subject matter.

Does your silence means you’ve accepted my own version pending the time you will get a counter evidence?

DMerciful:
That's why firstly I suggest restructuring and border adjustment. All the Yorubas should be in one region, all Igbos in one, all Ijaws , all hausas, some minority tribes can align to be together(they must have documents agreement) and so on, then we go back to regional govts. Where this is not possible, then we can breakup peacefully with good negotiations just like UK is doing with EU

Yeah. Sounds like a good plan. Let’s see what will happen.

DMerciful:
Awolowo had said oil and water cannot mix as at then so he recognized our peculiar situation. Awolowo was arrested because of treason whether rightly or wrongly but this was like 2 or 3 yrs after independence. If this is correct, why agree to be in a geographical expression you see no real future in? Same with Amadu Bello. I know Zik was forceful in advocating for 1 Nigeria but ratio 2:1 should have won. You understand what foundation means? Its difficult to change things now because the foundation is over 59yrs
set

Yeah agreed. The foundation is faulty and it’s even more hard to break up the country now.

There are lot of factors to look at when talking about breakup of Nigeria. How will the resources be shared? What will be the international policy about the Nigerians that have companies and properties in other people’s region?

What will be the fate of dangote refinery in Lagos in the event of a breakup for example? There are lot of things to consider and a lot of headache to overcome.

Most people talking about breakup have not yet given a clear and concise implementation and disaggregation plan yet but we just keep shouting secession secession without factoring in reality.

DMerciful:
I am not particularly interested in Awolowo,
Azikiwe, Akintola, Amadu Bello, Balewa, Ojukwu,
Nzeogwu et all. They are ruined the nation Nigeria. Why did they fought for independence when they were not ready? If the white man had stayed longer we would be better than South Africa today. Imagine fighting for independence only to start fighting yourselves immediately! They are no heroes, Bleep them all! If Gowon like he can go back and release whoever, I dont care!

See we always think our fathers are wrong but if we were in their shoes we will do the same thing.

Everybody want freedom, Infact that is the first right of human being and it is our dignity. The Awo/Zik/Balewa need freedom from the white men, they have oppressed us long enough and fighting for liberty is what a sane person will do.

South Africans also fought for liberty, just that the white man is adamant about the country and they held SA’ns against their will until their independence.

However you are right when you talked about them fighting after independence. They should have divided the country themselves right before independence although the white man actually want us to be one indivisible entity so we have been fuc*ked right from the origin.

If you like blame those late men from now till eternity, it dosen’t stop the fact that the current generation is more clueless than them. It’s an African problem, we can’t rule ourselves.

Even the Rwanda president that we all think was excelling is still clamping down on human right and still denying his people true democracy. Although I love him coz Na craze person fit use rule Africans.

DMerciful:
Your video is compelling enough. So I take it that Gowon released him until a contrary evidence surface!

Please mention me anytime you get a contrary evidence.

Peace!

LordVoldermort:
You that is typing all this did you receive free education?

Have you ever stepped into a 'free school' in the southwest or in Lagos only someone who has never experienced the sorry state of free schools can boast about this

You don’t know what is called a ripple effect. Before Chief Awolowo pioneered that feee-education most Yorubas were not having much proper western education and parents don’t actually see the need for sending their Children to school coz farming is more profitable.

His free primary education policy increased the numbers of literate Yorubas and even the girl child was enrolled in school which increased the standard of living to some extent. The effect is that the Yorubas had an advantage than other tribes coz if you list out the first professors in discipline across Nigeria, the Yorubas will feature in at least 70% of the numbers.

That effect means my grandpa that is literate can send my dad to school which in turn means I will be literate and the effect will go on. That explains why the Yorubas are commonly known as the education base of Nigeria and you will hardly see a family in the SW without a graduate.

Hence, Awo policy in those era can still be felt by the generations of today. If Ahmadu Bello had done something like that in the north, the northerners won’t have been an educational disadvantaged region today!

LordVoldermort:
Don't flatter yourself you didn't change anyone's opinion anyone who read your comments would have no doubt of the kind of person you are

You kept ignoring the fact that Ojukwu was incharge of the Eastern region and you ignored the fact that Tafewa Balewa and Akintola imprisoned Awolowo to begin with

In short you behaved like a typical politician saying what people think already, but never saying the truth

Bro I challenged all the Igbos on that thread to bring just one evidence either pictures/Videos/Newspaper archive to back up their claim that Ojukwu released Awolowo.

None of them was able to bring any one. Not even one.

What does that tells you? It tells you most of you are following the bandwagon of propaganda that was orchestrated by Sir Ojukwu and his cronies to pollute the mind of the Igbo man about Awolowo and also to justify the hateful profiling.

Now please, can you bring any evidence from a reputable source either image/video/ newspaper archive that can serve as an evidence of Ojukwu releasing Awolowo?

If you can’t bring any, then let’s end this discussion on this subject matter.

Note: I won’t accept the verbals of Ojukwu himself coz Gowon also said he released Awolowo but I chose to use an independent source as my evidence.

Adefatima:


Let us thank Allah
Because Azikwe went on to sell Igbo people imagine what he would have done with Yorubas

If Azikwe had been the premier then, say bye bye to free education, free primary health, skyscraper, first TV, first Stadium, Odua investment, minimum wage Increase, etc.

He won’t fail to do that only because he is Igbo but he will fail because he can’t offer the brain he dosen’t have.

It takes a brainy man like Awolowo to pioneer all those firsts among first. Infact I read a report on what obstacle Awolowo faced when he was trying to implement the free education policy.

The way he handled the situation even against the world powers advice that time and the backlash he got from the Agbekoyas made me salute him more.

LordVoldermort:
Why post it if you knew no one would believe

Those who liked it would have supported Awolowo even if you didn't make the video

Those who disliked it would have hated Awolowo even if you didn't make the video

You didn't change the opinion of anybody not even yours...why post it?

I changed your opinion. It’s actually a tool of psychology and even if you deny it verbally I’m quite sure that deep inside your mind you doubted your earlier stance on the issue of Gowon/Ojukwu releasing Awolowo.

That you even remembered the thread give credence to that assertions.

However you should know that most of you on here will think twice before lying again that Ojukwu released Awolowo. Now you have to do a lot of verbal twisting to even convince any sane person to give you an audience on that subject.

DMerciful:
Go and read history and see how Akintola displaced Awolowo. Even Zik won more votes than Awolowo in the West. It was coalition Awolowo used overnight with Tribalism, he wasnt that popular!

Lol which Zik. The party Zik was fronting was actually formed by a Yoruba called Herbert Macaulay.

When Macaulay died, he left the structure of the party in the hand of Zik and there are Yorubas in Zik party so it’s not a matter of Zik wining singlehandedly.

However Zik mistake was that he tried becoming the western region premier: such audacity!

The reason NCNC won was because they have a policy with a relaxed tax system. Awolowo party manifesto was about tax due to the fact that the party is planning free education, free healthcare, and a lot of social projects.

The Agbekoyas (farmers) who constitute the class financing the government detest paying high tax and they tried voting NCNC coz they think they won’t need to pay too much tax with NCNC manifesto.

However, the Yorubas are politically conscious about having a Zik as a premier and they collectively let tribe reasoning supersede political differences.

Their argument is this: why should an Igbo man superintend on the Yorubas with such number of intellectuals in the west? Will Azikwe be the one commanding our Obas? Will Zik be the one controlling the Odua investment funds? Will Zik be the one controlling the Yoruba man destiny? Hell no!

LordVoldermort:
And yet you didn't know that LegendHer0 the guy who posted the video was Yoruba?

It's very obvious you didn't watch the video, it didn't prove shit except for the extreme lengths some Yorubas can go to legitimize their tribalism

Yes, it wouldn’t proof shit to an Igbo man. What I did was sensitizing the sensible people that might have been caught in the wave of propaganda especially directed to dent the image of the late sage Obafemi Awolowo.

It would have been a surprise if you actually said you believed it.

DMerciful:
Yes..you have all these resources but afraid when breakup is mentioned. I'm sure SW will do excellently well, I'm also sure SS and SE will do well. And it would reduce Igbo influx to SW but why you oppose breakup when you have so much advantage beats me

Well I think the breakup of Nigeria will actually happen. SW is not that opposed to it in our entirety, we are just indifferent tbh.

But I’m sure time will tell!

DMerciful:
Again, you are twisting history. Awolowo said Nigeria is a mere geographical expression but Amadu never said that rather he said Nigeria is an estate of their grandfather Usman Dan Fodio so they have the right to use it as they please. You keep celebrating Awolowo but while he was alive, Yorubas were supporting Akintola. We always celebrate people when they are dead just like how Fela is being celebrated. I was well aware when Fela was alive, he never had this eulogizing

Yes you’re right about Ahmadu Bello statement. I think it has to do with semantics, what I’m actually trying to say with that post is that both Awolowo and Ahmadu tried letting the world know that we must recognize our differences.

Yorubas supporting Akintola? Haba bro what are you saying in a public forum. Most Yorubas during that era see Akintola as a Yoruba sellout and a northern stooge which explains why people don’t protest too much when he was dropped in the military coup.

Awolowo was loved in his life and even in his death. Tbh Akintola has been forgotten from the media space and not much people can actually pinpoint Akintola contribution to the success of the Yorubas.

Statistically, I don’t think I’ve seen even 0.5% of any post referencing Akintola in the media space or any governor of the SW talking about his ideology. That shows you Awo is greater than him in a million fold!

DMerciful:
While I agree you've spoken well in this post but the truth is that the Igbos want restructuring. If Igbos originally want Nigeria divided, they wont be investing in other regions. The Biafran declaration was forced on the Igbos when the were killed in thousands during the pogrom.
This second declaration by IPOB is because
of second class citizen treatment. But if you are not being mischievous, what is Igbo leadership Ohaneze saying? Restructuring or Biafra?

Bro no need of trying to be politically correct. If we conduct a credible poll now we will see that majority of Igbos actually desire a breakup from Nigeria.

The reason why most of you migrate to other region is not only because you love one Nigeria, it’s because of your land size and your population as the third most populous ethnic group.

Also, your land is not that good for investment and you need a larger and profitable market. Which explains why your most successful people made their money outside your region.

Well even if it’s restructuring the Igbos want most, then they gotta let people know coz a neutral person will actually call you a liar for echoing the thought of restructuring as Igbos goals.

Moreso, I think that world restructuring was actually pioneered by the Yorubas especially the Afeniferes. I might be wrong tho (I can research this more for its validity).

Adefatima:



Loool after that awolowo video
I knew igbo was a lost cause

Abi o. The tactics now is to show them the evidence once. When they try denying it don’t say anything but just make sure you leave the evidence here for normal neutral minds to see the truth.

No time for negativity.