DMerciful:
Put a reliable source or else I'll take it as the usual beer parlour gossips!

Lol. I don’t go to extra length anymore in proving my point to an Igbo man.

Even if I show you a video of the pronouncement that those cities were previously in the hands of the western region, you will still deny and tell me I fabricated it.

This is almost 2020, I am using a different approach to situation. If you need a proof to a self-evident truth, go online and find it yourself and come here to counter my claim.

Peace!

DMerciful:
Nigeria started putting infrastructure in Lagos since 1914 and before during the time of the protectorates and you compare with Delta whose allocation came as a result of Ibori fight after 1999? If it was done by Yorubas as you claim, why is Osun, Ekiti, Kwara, Oyo not upto 1/10 th of Lagos? Ogun is spill over from Lagos because Lagos has small landmass

Can I ask why the Niger Delta region is receiving that much allocation from the FG? Because of their oil right? That means they are privileged because of their natural resources.

The British made Lagos the capital during the 1914s period because of Lagos waters which is also a resources. Do you even know lagos port was built as far back as 1913 even before the amalgamation of Nigeria protectorate?

There are lot of countries in the world that are privileged because of the resources they have. Dubai, Oman, Qatar, etc. so why should lagos waters be any different?

Ibadan was actually the best city bar Lagos in Nigeria before the death of the regional government. It was a growing city with many firsts among firsts before the military fools truncated the system.

Even till now, Ogun state still boast of lot of industries and a revenue base that is the envy of most states in the SE. if you like say it’s because of its close proximity to Lagos, it dosen’t stop the fact that Ogun is a better state than most states in your region. Also note that Ogun state strategic location is also a resources on its own.

Even till now, Oyo state still boast of many companies with an IGR that will be more than like 3 or 4 of the states in the SE. What does that tell you? It tells you that the Yoruba people are actually excelling and those states you mention are developing at their own pace.

The take home from this is that the Lagos waters and strategic location is actually a resources on its own. That is what made the British site the capital there in the first place!

DMerciful:
Third mainland bridge was built with Niger Delta oil money! All Lagos roads are either federal or state built with Nigerian allocation from Niger Delta again. Calabar was never capital of Nigeria! Ibadan was built with regional governments resources and it ended there. Yorubas see Lagos as their world, 90% of Yorubas I have asked are not from Lagos. Read history and stop listening to village stories!

Lol. Do you know Delta state collect more allocation than Lagos? Why can’t delta state be like Lagos if we are going by your analogy about only crude oil building it’s road?

How much is Lagos IGR compared to the allocation the state gets from the FG? Do you know how much Lagos remit in tax to the FG? Do you know how much Lagos generates from PAYE?

NimrodEndOfDays:
I have never insulted or insult anyone who doesn't support a break up. But where your right stops is where others start. You cannot have a country were a section does not feel the need to be in one. It would draw everything backwards. I am pan African. I believe In a greater unified Africa. But we must have our nation's first and agree like business partners. And not like slaves and overlords.

Understood!

DMerciful:
Loool! Referencing wikipedia that even you can edit. Nobody references wikipedia!

My reference is not Wikipedia. It’s a common knowledge for intellectuals that not all Lagos state was initially part of the federal capital.

I used Wikipedia to back my assertions since it is a basic means of information. You can do a little research to understand better.

I’m not arguing with you, I am teaching you history. So it’s not a game of whether I’m right or wrong!

DMerciful:
Third mainland bridge was built with Niger Delta oil money! All Lagos roads are either federal or state built with Nigerian allocation from Niger Delta again. Calabar was never capital of Nigeria! Ibadan was built with regional governments resources and it ended there. Yorubas see Lagos as their world, 90% of Yorubas I have asked are not from Lagos. Read history and stop listening to village stories!

Most of you don’t know that the capital of Nigeria is majorly Lagos island during those formative days. Western region actually superintends some part of Lagos before the federal government actually took the rest of Lagos from the western region.

Hence the person you quoted was right when he said Awolowo also built Lagos. Infact there is an housing estate built by Odua groups then during the western region government, I forgot the name.

Infact Ikeja, Mushin, Agege, Ikorodu, Epe, and Badagry are all under the Western region authority before they were merged in 1967 during the creation of Lagos state.

A little snippet from Wikipedia give credence to my claim.

Coldie:

This ur motion defeats the whole idea about Nigeria.

So if u are not from a state u have no business discussing its politics.

To me this is a backward way of thinking

I am a realist and I don’t like trying to be politically correct.

Bro what is the unity about Nigeria? When have we ever been united? We have been having problem of tribalism even before independence.

We can’t even sustain our country for 6 years after independence when we plunged ourself into a war of tribalism and sorrows.

Check Nairaland front page, most guys here are not even always happy about the success of another tribe and they always resort to checking name first before they can celebrate success or condemn a criminal.

We should be realist, we actually don’t have a business delving into another state politics (except you reside there as migrant) in such toxic manner. The counter effect of that is that it breeds hate and heat up the polity more.

Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello actually understood this at the beginning which explains why they said Nigeria is just a geographical expression and we should recognize our differences always.

jneutron4000:
Exactly bro, you did a great job creating that thread to put out the truth if not Igbos are very good at spreading lies and distorting historical facts, in that same thread, a stupid igbo person was still arguing and was requesting a video evidence where Gowon went to the prison and bring Awolowo out , I simply told him that Aguiyi Ironsi was the head of states for 6 months and could not ordered the release of Awolowo, which mean the Igbos never had good intention towards Awolowo from the time of Regional government, and if not for the wisdom of God Almighty to hide Awolowo in prison during the first coup, they would have killed him the way they killed Akintola. Great job bro

Yes bro. Nice one

NimrodEndOfDays:
I don't know about the Igbos not supporting. Let's assume they did, don't you know that they would turn it to a south and North battle and as far as I am concerned there is not ties with the middle belt. So it's going to go in their favor the same way the age of marriage was cancelled out by yerima. When he had to force a another round of voting by accusing the Northerners who voted against that they were going against islam. If the North can go against the SW even when they voted and made sure Buhari came back what will be the date of the SE?

Brother I understand how you feel and where you are coming from. We all want the same thing, a better country to call our own where our kids will enjoy the benefit of a sane country.

However both Igbos and Yorubas have different solution to this problems. Most Igbo want a breakup from Nigeria entirely while like 75% Yorubas want restructuring and 25% want a total breakup (Just an educated guess).

This leaves us with a situation where consensus cannot be reached. No knowledge is superior, each of these divide has the advantage and demerit of their approaches.

Please don’t see those against a breakup like your enemy and insult them, people most often see life from a different perspective. What we gotta do is to keep listing out the advantage of our approach so that we can inturn convince the people with a different ideology on why they should follow our cause.

Also look at it like this, I’m not sure the Igbos and Yorubas have anything in common tbh. I’ve gone over the Yoruba history that predates 1900 and I haven’t seen much contact between the Igbos and Yorubas. The Yorubas have been trading with the Hausa since 1700 upward or thereabout. Even psychologically we don’t have thesame approach to situation and that needs to be factored in when we are trying to ally for a common purpose.

The major problem of both Yoruba and Igbo is that we are too fixated on our strengths such that we see other people ideas like inferior or an act of cowardice. The earlier we both understand that we are totally different and the southern mantra is just a demographics title, the better for us. Only then can we forge a true alliance to solve a common problem.

Coldie:


U guys got it all wrong though am hoping one day ur eyes will open to see d truth.

Most igbos debating with u over Yoruba politics are Igbos based in the west, naturally it has to be like that since these people don't have much contact with the east apart from the east being there state of origin.

Its just like a Yoruba man who grew up in Rivers state, u won't be surprised to see him engaging in discussions involving wike and rivers state. Is he doing it cause he envies rivers people or because thats were he has an idea of the politics based on it being his base

Bro I have a question? Are Igbos in the SW more than the Igbos living in the SE in numbers?

If the answer is no, then I won’t believe what you are saying. Please try to carry out a social experiment on the Igbos online either on Nairaland or Facebook where you can verify their name. They tend to be too obsessed with the happenings of other tribes. They even exhibit the trait about the northerners too.

The Yorubas most time only talk about SE governor maybe if we want to retaliate and mock Abia state governor but you can’t see us involving ourself too much in SE politics. But the reverse is the case for most of the Igbos online.

jneutron4000:
Dont mind them, they also love to spread propaganda, they spread lies of Awolowo betraying them, and that it was Ojukwu who released Awolowo from prison, of recent a video surfaced online where Awolowo went to visit Gowon immediately after Gowon order his release. They are so obsessed and envious of Yoruba people. If We Yorubas do not stop the Igbos from spreading lies and propaganda against Yoruba and her people, before we know it, they will lie to their next generation that Tinubu betrayed them. Tinubu never ruled them, Tinubu is not the one receiving their states allocations they hates Tinubu even before 2015 and would never stop spreading lies against him just like the way they did to Awolowo. Children of hate

I was the one that created that thread about Gowon releasing Awolowo with the evidence from prints like New York Times, Guardian, Reuters, and video from Britishpathe.

The Igbos have an ideology of constantly creating lies and believing their lies. They also make sure they continually deny a truth, no matter what evidence you provide, they will never believe it.

Also, they can easily be polarized and psychologically controlled which explains why Nnamdi Kanu was able to polarize their thinking into believing Buhari is Jubril.

They condemn what they can’t have and satanize anything that’s not a creation of theirs.

Nowenuse nice one.

Although there is still some imbalance and the use of unverifiable facts in the analysis but you did a nice job bringing this up.

Coldie:

An average Igbo person no send Yoruba.

You guys are the ones obsessing over the fact that u see igbos in your region.

We Igbos don't give a fvck we just want to feed our families and live our lives na una dae carry our matter for head

Walahi an average Igbo man cares more about the Yorubas than his own family.

Most Yorubas can’t even name the five governors of the SE but the Igbos are obsessed with us such that they are the ones that vote mostly online with likes and shares in a season of voting in the SW.

During Oyetola and Nurudeen Jackson (Davido’s uncle) election, the Igbos were all over the place thumbprinting online with likes and shares for Nurudeen and you will think it is a contest of Anambra state election.

Tinubu is on the lips of every Igbo born and yet unborn and you will think maybe he is the one holding the SE states IGR in his bank account or he’s the one depriving them of good roads.

Check igbos online, they always benchmark their success to that of the Yorubas. The Yorubas don’t actually have any competitor coz our only competitor is our shadows. But the Igbo man is not happy of his success until he can compare it with that of the Yoruba man.

If not for the Igbos living in the SW, the Yorubas wouldn’t have known you exist. There are actually a lot of Yorubas that don’t even know about the minorities of the SS and the middle belt. To some, anything after Kwara is Hausa and after Benin is Igbo. Who get time for other tribes in Yoruba land?

Coldie:

Give the Yoruba's some accolades. They tried.

Capital or not Lagos is strategically located,

Imagine being the state with the gateway to Nigeria by land air sea all combined. Africa's largest market.

Unlike the Niger Delta states who had everything at a platter if gold but threw both the baby and bath water away.

Niger delta forcefully chased away IOC's from there region, after chasing them to Lagos they are here ranting up and down that the IOC's must sight there headquarters here. Look at what happened at Omoku, crisis drove away business, companies etc away, same thing happened at Ogoni now Etche.

Give Lagos(+Yoruba land) to the Niger delta and give Niger Delta to the Yoruba's.

10years later crisis and insecurity would chase out investments. And they would start blaming from Tinubu to Igbo people to Hausa to America.

Yoruba people una try abeg

God will not take your brain. You have said it all.

First thing those guys don’t understand is that there can never be prosperity without peace.

NimrodEndOfDays:
Baba. How would you even imagine that we would even get what we want when the Northerners know what they stand to loose ifbwe split? Have you forgotten what happened to the Yorubas they requested for a special status for Lagos State? Or what happened when the south east representatives requested for 3% from the total money generated from the SE to be used to develop the SE. It will never work forget diplomacy.

But the Igbos were also part of the people that denied Lagos the special status nao? Or have you forgotten?

See we both will remain cat and dog till death do us part. Seems you don’t share anything in common except the geographical location called south.

The earlier we understand this and deploy tactics devoid of another tribe’s support , the better for all of us.

NimrodEndOfDays:
You know that we do not have the numbers to start or initiate.

No number is too small to make an impact.

However if you knew you don’t have the numbers, why do you always do like you can do it alone.

Don’t you guys understand what is called diplomacy? You should learn how to align with people for a purpose even if you hate them.

DMerciful:
People come online shouting they own Lagos while the socalled visitors are making millions and billions ahead of them. You working in a bank earning less than 200k a month, something a small Igbo businessman in Lagos makes in a day!

So Yorubas don’t do business in Lagos?

How can you guys all have the same foolish thinking? Is it a deficient in your DNA?

Also when did 2by2 shop suddenly imply riches? What about those Igbos selling fan-yogo and gala in traffic? Are they also millionaires?

Don’t know how a whole tribe love living in a fool’s paradise!

NimrodEndOfDays:
You guys have all these indices but are scared like deji Adeyanju when division is mentioned. You start ranting like dogs with rabies.

Why do we have to be the one holding you down and why don’t you do things independent of the Yorubas?

Did your representative raise secession on the house floor and the Yorubas opposed it?

If that albino fugitive had not made insulting the Yorubas a duty during his radio Biafra briefing maybe the Yorubas would have been indifferent to your cause.

But the fool was all over the media insulting and cursing the Yorubas and yet you’re here chanting that the Yorubas ain’t supporting your ancestors cause.

Wetin be our own!

Adefatima:


A typical Ibo man will divert when asked a simple question

We asked why bayelsa has not been developed your talking about ogun and rivers

This one pass beat around the bush

Broda mi. Omo yooba pombele lemi o. Mon fesi si oro teso si idahun tekan ni.

Eyi Na ni mon gbe leyin o. E satunse si post yin koma di wipe awon omo ajokuta ma mumi ma ma buwa.

Adefatima:


Why did GEJ not turn the fortunes of bayelsa

Abuja has been the capital of Nigeria for almost going to 30years now and yet it can’t boast of more industries than Ogun state.

The oil boom in the past 30years should have made Abuja the highest revenue grossing state in Nigeria going by the analogy of these mentally handicapped guys online.

From the statistics from NBS, Ogun state still generates more IGR than Abuja and yet some fools think Lagos is what it was just because it was a former capital.

No one is taking the effect of being a former capital from Lagos, but that state is what it is because of the proper planning and foresight of its leaders. Lagos State has been the pioneer of major reforms in Nigeria and it’s just plain stupidity for people to belittle the state effort.

Rivers state should have been in the status of Lagos with its oil and vastness but they have not been able to get reformist leaders like the Lagos connection.

OMANBALA1:


You are inherently pained. Lagos state was developed and investments attracted to it which in turn attracted people from all parts of Nigeria. Ogun state is an overspill of Lagos. You didnt develop Lagos, rather benefited from its location.

Next year you will claim Oyo state is an overfill of Lagos and in the next 5 years you will claim Ondo state is an over-over-overfill of Lagos.

Are you guys cursed?

NimrodEndOfDays:
What a laugh. Please which non Yoruba State have they taken their enterprising nature too?and I am not talking of Agbo Jedi or taxi driving.

Shebi Na your Grandfather give Ogun state the highest IGR after Lagos and rivers state?

Abi Na your papa make Ogun state IGR greater than the whole sad East combined in the second quarter.

Abi Na the coward albino build all the industries in Ogun state?

You deserve to be strip naked and flogged!

AkeNathan:


How about going to the US for a Msc in Pharmaceutical Science major.

I am winding up my Degree in Pharmacy here in Nigeria.

I really don’t know much about pharmacy MSc admission process but if you can use the “USA Student admission” thread section of Nairaland to make inquiries about that.

https://www.nairaland.com/5233208/general-usa-student-visa-enquiries-part/337

However as I’m pretty sure you can apply the same template of engineering masters to pharmacy.

Pharmacy is also considered as STEM course so you will also enjoy everything I said on the other mention and coming to USA for your masters will be your best decision ever.

You are never going to regret going to USA for your masters under any circumstances.

I can see you’re going for mechanical engineering masters which qualifies you as a STEM student.

The partial funding you had is still good and I’m quite sure you can take up a teaching assistantship job over there to balance the rest of the fees. So no cause for alarm on how to complete your studies financially.

If you graduate with a STEM degree, you will apply for OPT and I’m pretty sure some companies e.g. like Cummins accept Mech Eng. international student on F-I OPT. These companies will then sponsor your H1B visa which will guarantee you more way here.

I’m pretty sure your starting Salary with an engineering masters will be more than you would ever get in Nigeria. I might be wrong tho!

Gandollaar:
Oga what's all the rubbish about?

I know this country more than you do.

You are just a glory seeker that's all.

Lol. Do you mean the country called Nigeria or Biafra?

Bobbysmicky:
Why not use this money to set up something reasonable that can be beneficial to the country and help boost our economy or reduce unemployment, parents should feed their children abeg cus i see this as a waste of fund

Primary school education is compulsory and very important. The government feeding the kids is one of the best program any reasonable government can offer.

Not all parents can give their kids money for lunch, they will eat in the house in the morning and government give them food for lunch while their parents feed them for dinner.

Even in USA, government feed elementary school students so I don’t see a reason why Nigeria can’t do such too.

The main problem here is that most of those directors siphon the money and inturn cook rubbish food for the kids. Nigerians are the main problem of Nigeria itself!

Gandollaar:
What's your fixation on Igbos?

Are they the only people in Lagos?

If you are sincere to yourself you'd agree that Igbo investments in SW would be the highest earner of IGR amongst all. Even your leaders have acknowledged this. Even upnorth, Igbos enterprising spirit is celebrated.

People migrate to where there interests are served. If you are an importer, there's no way you won't have a thing or two to do with Lagos.

Those who buy and sell articles of clothing for instance must have a thing or two to do with Aba and Onitsha. There are lots of Yorubas who travel to Aba and Onitsha frequently for business. Some are resident there.

FG did not leave with all what it brought to Lagos for Abuja. The remnant has been built upon and collectively expanded.

@the bolded, did you get your statistics from the IPOB bureau of statistics or directly from the mouth of the runaway albino porn producer? Rubbish.

Most of you don’t know jack. The remnants of the structure the FG built in Lagos is not what is giving Lagos it’s wealth. It is the enterprising nature of the Yorubas and ability to attract foreign investment and a well managed system of governance by the leaders of Lagos.

Check the multinationals in Lagos and what they contribute to the IGR, check the Nigerian banking, insurance, telecommunications, industries, entertainments etc. and their contributions to the IGR. Then you will know you are a compound fool for saying the Igbos are the highest generator of IGR for Lagos.

Dangote refinery also coming on board to add to the tax base of Lagos and attract more investment as the ripple effect of the refinery.

How can some fools believe they actually made another people when their own region is not even at par to those they built. Just like saying because there are lot of Indians in Silicon Valley working for top IT companies and chinese building food chain makes them the developer of USA.

Let me educate you a bit. The FCT was removed from Lagos in 1991, attached is the growth of Lagos. Can you see the growth?

It is hypocrisy that will kill everybody in Nigeria.

Below is the link to where Igbos were roasting BBC Igbo Facebook page when they greeted Muslims happy Eid Kabir.

https://www.nairaland.com/5225497/igbos-attack-bbc-igbo-wishing

Besides the Yorubas and some SS indigenes in Nigeria, the rest of Igbo, Hausa, and some middle belt folks are all stained with religious bigotry.

I see people condemning BBC Igbos Facebook page on the former thread abusing Muslims on this thread.

Note: As a Muslim I still bought chickens for my Christian family but I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in most of you.

I think we should just dash these Igbos the presidency before they all develop high blood pressure.

No need for election, they should just pick Okorocha or Peter Obi and swear them in on June 12 2023.

We should use the INEC budget fee to buy Hero beer for every Nigerian to celebrate the feat.

God should not give us a friend like Buba Galadima.

He is too toxic in how he treated Buhari. Not only today, but most of his utterances showed that some friends are actually more deadly than the enemy!

NimrodEndOfDays:
The Yorubas are more diplomatic than the Igbos but the Igbos are more decisive. One reason why I want Igbos to be on their own is to achieve their own destiny. Do you love to always be under the shadows of the Fulanis? I believe so much in secession and it would take an extremely strong argument to change my mind. If we are threatened with War then we were never meant to be one in the first place.

I also want the Yorubas to be a separate nation. However wants are different from reality.

Most of us online have been shouting on top of our voice for years about the problem bedeviling Nigeria and the path to redemption.

There are two cases, restructuring or secession. For restructuring we all know the political class whether Igbo, or yoruba are double-mouthed, they chant restricting when in opposition and are against it when in government.

Then the next is through secession. Still on still we need our leaders on this. You can argue the Igbos in their entirety want Biafra but you can as well see that most of your leaders are sabotaging that effort. When the issue of python dance happened, most of your leaders are in support of the FG. This same case will apply to a Yoruba chanting on the street of Ibadan about secession, the political class will hound him up.

This leaves us with some options. The fight by each tribe has to first be within. You should first deal with your political class before venturing into other people domain. There will always be backlash if an Igbo is abusing a Yorubas and vice versa. This implies that there will never be consensus on issues and we will keep going around in circles.

What if the Igbos deal with the pro-Nigeria leaders among them on their own, and the Yorubas deal with the anti-restructuring among us. If it’s a protest against our own, we can make use of the stronger pro-secessionist or pro-restructuring politicians as the pole to launch the assault, I think we will start seeing results.

When you deal with those within first, then only can you face the middle government mainly dominated by those Hausa/Fulanis.

NimrodEndOfDays:
not to sound pessimistic but restructuring will NEVER happen. i know you have been following the actions of the North whenever they are in Power. why and how people still believe that these people want the progress of Nigeria? all they want is POWER. how is this so difficult for we here in the south to understand? we all are retrogressing. and we are gradually becoming like them. uneducated,hopeless and unproductive. men, you guys in the SW need to take a stand. because i do not really understand what you guys want. my only problemis that i dont want your people interferring when we start the wahala with these people up North. because in as much as you think that our leaders in the NASS are realy fr us,then i guess you dont know much about Igbo people. we have taken our stand

Bro, what is your proposition? If restructuring is very hard to achieve do you feel secession will be more easier?

I like realistic talks, what path do you think you can go to achieve a new country even with the Yorubas by your side judging the current political situation of Nigeria?

What is your proposition? A full blown war of the south against the core-North (purposely removed some part of middle belt) or a peaceful resolution among the leaders of the south and the north on a breakup.

If you take the latter, then it will NEVER be possible since restructuring cannot be possible like you opined which leaves us with only the war route!

Will be waiting for your answer.