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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:45pm On Dec 19, 2015*

Patchesagain:
1. Answer the question, it is very simple
2. You are the self proclaimed troll, not me. So I assume your statement about trolling for personal validation was an act of projection on your part?

Patrick, you're a Leslie-wanna-be. A failed troll you are without the wits and wherewithal to be one.

You hide behind your facede of duplicity to spawn boring and lame jibes. You're too slow to be a troll with facts . your contribution is nuisance level here.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:40pm On Dec 19, 2015

Patchesagain:
Seriously, where are you getting your "facts" from?

From the history books of your teachers. Those books you never like to read.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:37pm On Dec 19, 2015

Patchesagain:
Where are you getting this from?

Not surprised... This is the same guy who though an American economist was going to kick us out of Brick

My fovourite zulu, how's your desperatiOn going? Still singing the bric song? You have been Overtaken by events. You of all people should know that.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:29pm On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
I don't care what someone else said, it was never the intention for the NP to annex any country, if you say it was, provide a citation to prove it.

Nope there were no US mercenaries fighting for the SADF, neither did we have any US build Tanks.Angola on the other hand had thousands of Cuban troops plus sophisticated Soviet equipment

Actually the US were dictating the terms of the negotiations after the fall of the Soviet Union. After all we were fighting a proxy war on behalf of the US, thus it would be politically damaging to them if we continued our Angolan campaign and didn't give Namibia their independence after the fall of the Soviet Union. But honestly I don't expect you to understand geopolitics, as its a much to advanced concept for your tiny mind to fathom.

This is the second time in two days he has contradicted you. You should care what your compatriot says here.

He shot you in the foot. You should be bothered if you aren't an unhinged, uninhibited pathological liar.

Angola had teenage Cuban pilots; they rid the skies off the overhyped S.A pilots.

The US wasn't dictating the nagotiating terms, they were presuring the Angolan army not to butcher you completely.

If the negotiations was as a result Of the collapse of the Soviet Union, why would you be the one conceding, why not the russans?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 6:54pm On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
hahahahah dude your fvcking delusional, It was never the NPs mission to take over the entire SADC, if it was then they would've taken Lesotho, Swaziland, Mozambique and Botswana within weeks if that was their intention.

And the only backing we had from the US was a political one, they never had troops fighting on the ground, neither did they provide any armour to the SADF. And after the fall of the Soviet Union they retracted their backing and proposed that we pull out of Angola, and we obliged.

And im not twisting any facts mate im citing them exactly as how they happened, your the one making up a fictional history of SA

And all Zuma did was thank Angola for their fight against apartheid, something Nigeria didnt do, he said nothing of how the Angolan forces defeated the SADF...Im mean how could he? They failed to win a single battle!!

P.S your Trolling sucks Bro!!

Hmm, your Zulu-in-arms, Mzilakazi said as much. Just scroll to last night's posts. You had US mercenaries. Matter of fact, the Angolan army would have fenced your troops till they starved to death if it wasn't for the American mercenaries. You had British and American tanks, you lying thief.

So the soviet union collapsed and proposed you pulled out of Angola and Namibia? How's a dying man negotiating from the point of strength?

See how desperate your ill-written fiction is? The soviet union is collapsing, the SANDF should be dictating the terms of negotiations, not they asking you to concede Namibia and pull outta Angola. Your lie is so very unconvincing.

It's clear your troops were having their arses whooped that's why you surrendered to the negotiation table, pulled out of Angola with your tails behind your back and forewent your ambition in Namibia.

Simple fact.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:09pm On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
WHEN DID I ADMIT RUSSIA STOPPED THE SADF FROM DEFEATING ANGOLA?? quote were i said that!! We were about to annex Angola, so why would i say that?

And which American tanks did we have? enlighten me, please!!

The SADF didnt lose a single battle during the border war mate!! so how did Angola drag us through the mud??

And why didn't you annex Angola? What changed your mind to negotiate?

Why was your casualties a classified information. Only the death of influential africaaner sons were reported privately to their parents.

Stop the meaningless back and forth. Why did bothercleft his comfy office in Pretoria to the battle theatre in Angola. Since you could so easily annex Angola?

Zuma has officially acknowledged the Angolan army. Your opinion on nairaland is confined to the trashcan.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 1:03pm On Dec 19, 2015

patches689:
And what is your source?

Now you're beginning to have the similitude of a half-literate buffoon who can attempt to ask questions.

Do you want the source which proves all you've denied?

Or the one that established you're frightened man, who employs internet trolling for personal validation?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:59pm On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
Let me try to explain to you in a simple manner that you hopefully can understand: Soviet Union=Threat=BufferZone=Nambia....No Soviet Union=NoThreat=NoBufferZone=IndependentNamibia

? When did i admit it was because of Russia that we couldn't take Angola? We were a stone through away from Luanda, it was the US that stoped us from annexing Angola.

Let me Zulu down to your level for easier comprehension.

Boers wanted the entire sandc to strengthen the hold of apartheid regime. Other countries especially Angola has been pushing for independence amongst southern African countries.

Your neighbours' anti-apartheid sentiments were growing stronger. Botha fears it is coming home and decided to quell the feud abroad before it spreads home and Zulus become wiser.

So the Boers backed regimes that promised to support apartheid in most southern African neighbouring countries, they interfered militarily and politically throughout the region for self-preservation.

When Angola proved unyielding, military option was the last resort for South Africa. The Angolans being so tiny only had teenage Cuban girls for pilots who shot the over hyped south African air force out of the skies.

You were backed by American mercenaries and amour. But you suffered defeat.

America pleaded on your behalf for negotiations, once the Angolan troops encircled the SANDF. In order to clear the last vestige of apartheid influence from the region, Angola demanded the independence of Namibia.

You can twist your points but it doesn't change history.

When Jacob Zuma went on a military parade and remembrance in Angola 2009, he acknowledged the facts and praised the Angolan military for humiliating the apartheid army.

Now whose report is more credible, Zuma, your president or that of a self-doubting, ego-haunting ,e-wanderer like you?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:40pm On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
That was exactly the point retaard, i sounded like you!!

You're cracking under the weight of your own repetitive denials.

You admitted here you didn't defeat Angola because of Russian involment, which didn't go anywhere beyond supply of armoury. You had American mad tanks.

So why deny the obvious and lace me with your frustrated diatribe when you run out of point?

The SANDF in all its form has never won a battle it has led in living memory. Tiny Angola dragged you through the mud and left your troops crying for Botha to OK nuclear grin

I want to show you what's like to be a south African without media hype. Look yourself in the mirror and see the doubt and denial in your own eyes.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:00am On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
No Link, the fall of the Soviet Union led to us leaving Namibia.

Try harder. You don't sound convincingconvincing or factual.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:42am On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
Wow the amount of bullshiit you type is truly unbelievable, honestly dude you should stop quoting that forum of yours, you look like a retaard when you do.

And it hurts you because it exposes you for the up-belly fish that you are. What has the fall of the soviet union got to do with Namibia.

You admitted it was because of the Russia that you couldn't take Angola, so you already admitted to defeat.

You don't negotiate with those you can defeat. You defeat them. Your lies are weak and you're losing your mind trying to hold onto this.

You should fall on your face.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:51am On Dec 19, 2015

patches689:
No citations = trolling

Are you really this desperate??

Your obsession with South Africa is disturbing

Have you honestly dealt with any citiations or excerpt I have provided? You evasive,debate-unworthy, cyber-recluse.

I keep chasing you from pillar to post, I expect to see you up in the trees hiding when I light the fire up your arse.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:48am On Dec 19, 2015

patches689:
Still acting as though anyone gives a sh1t about a letter!

Hahahahahahah

Clown

Bwahaha, you asked agaugust for citations, I went beyond that; I gave you the whole excerpt. But I know you couldn't deal with it. I love smacking illusions off your morbid face.

Buckling _idiot.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:41am On Dec 19, 2015

patches689:
Hahahahhaha

You think the world powers gave a sh1t about your irrelevant nation?

Nuclear armed partheid south africa was playing the great game with the great states

Your letters meant and did nothing

If you wish to allegde they did - PROVIDE A CITATION

Below is Obasanjor's letter to the British prime minister in 1986, Margaret Thatcher:

[b]Dear Margaret,

After our meeting on Sunday, I write as one committed democrat to another.Yours is an old country with a lengthy democratic tradition; mine a new country undergoing a press of nation-building. But as democrats, we can be frank with each other.

As you know, I came to the EPG (Eminent Persons’ Group) mission with reluctance. It was difficult enough for me as an African and especially as a Nigerian to contemplate exchanging pleasantries with those responsible for the institutionalised oppression of so many of my brothers and sisters.

My repugnance was exacerbated by the widely held perception that the EPG was a substitute for action won by you at Nassau for the benefit of P.W. Botha. However, I persuaded myself that whatever the odds, the prize was so great that I should overcome my personal feelings.

Not that I was prepared for what we found. As you know, even Tony Barber – a frequent traveller to South Africa – was appalled by what he was to see in that other South Africa which visitors seldom see. We jointly expressed our shock and dismay in our report.

I have seen extremes of poverty and of oppression in many parts of the world. But South Africa unashamedly moulds both elements into a system which enables the white minority to enjoy a “Dallas” lifestyle at the expense of the great majority forced to endure conditions as degrading as anything I have seen anywhere.

In our discussions, Malcolm Fraser and I tried to convey the true nature of the system and were against cosmetic changes which have merely softened the face of apartheid.

However, such was our discussion that I must ask: Did you even read our report?

I infer from what you said that afternoon that you had not. You concentrated on the trivia of the Government’s “reforms” – like the welcome but essentially insignificant repeal of the Mixed Marriages Act – and ignored their implacable opposition to changes in the basic pillars of apartheid.

As we emphasised, to begin to dismantle apartheid, the Population Registration Act and the Group Areas Act must be repealed without being replaced by some measure designed to achieve the same ends under a different guise.

You gave credence to the dangerous notion that the political rights of the dispossessed can be adequately met by what President Botha calls “group rights” at the expense of individual rights and freedoms. Despite all the talk of “power sharing” between different communities, our inescapable conclusion was that this was a cloak for power remaining in white hands, and the essentials of apartheid continuing unchanged.

Nor have you any appreciation of the issue of violence. The apartheid system has an inherent violence which, through forced removals and the creation of barren homelands, has created the fiction of a white land and through the barrel of the gun, denies blacks any form of legitimate political expression.

We are all opposed to violence other than in self-defence. Why should blacks not have a right to defend their own families, homes and freedoms?

Your “moral revulsion” for sanctions struck me as unconvincing. The economic sanctions you so energetically pursued against Poland, Afghanistan and Argentina were brushed aside in your determination to withhold their application to South Africa. Yet to many of us there is only one significant difference: the victims in South Africa are black. Is sauce for the Aryan goose not sauce for the Negroid gander?

Your concentration of the economic effectiveness of sanctions is disingenuous if not hypocritical. Sanctions were imposed against Poland, Afghanistan and Argentina as political expressions of outrage.

Nor can your opposition be based on any assessment of where the best interests of Britain lie. Your country has considerable trade with South Africa, but this is dwarfed by that enjoyed with the rest of Africa: it cannot be in Britain’s interests to encourage them to place their orders elsewhere.

Further, your appearance as an apologist challenges the democratic forces in South Africa to seek help from whatever quarter they can. The longer-term consequences for Britain, the United States and the West could be considerable.

But most of all, I was dismayed by your lack of vision. You offered no action as an alternative to sanctions. You insisted that nothing whatever be done – even though in the final analysis you moved a little. There is no vision of a way ahead; simply a forlorn hope that P.W. Botha would experience a “Road to Damascus” conversion on the road to Soweto. Such hopes are in vain.

Sooner or later, Botha or his successor will be driven to negotiate meaningfully. Sir Geofferey’s visit again confirmed that Botha is not yet under sufficient pressure to do so – despite a dwindling rand, escalating inflation, a declining economy and mounting violence. More pressure must come.

I must tell you that many people around the world view your continued opposition to sanctions as founded on instinct, not logic and as displaying a misguided tribal loyalty and myopic political vision. The consequences of such perceptions are far-reaching for a country which has traditionally claimed the high ground of principle.

Not only does the mental laager of the Boer seem to be mirrored in your own attitudes, but his fatal concessions of too little, too late are paralleled by your actions.

I am glad that the Commonwealth has moved on without you and I know that sooner rather than later, Britain will have to join us. I also know that apartheid will end, and its demise will be the product of a combination of internal and external pressures. The equation is a simple one. The less the external pressure, the greater will be the price to be paid internally.

Those who seek to minimise sanctions and their effect will have the blood of thousands, if not millions, of innocents on their hands and on their consciences. My heart will be heavy but my hands will be clean. Will yours?

(General Olusegun Obasanjo was Head of the Federal Military Government of Nigeria 1976 – 79 when he handed over power to an elected civilian government. He was later elected President[/b] of Nigeria from 1999-2007.)

Nigeria has always been the mouth piece of Africa, while you were slaving. We have always provides leadership which you have benefitted. Stop your baseless banter and embrace history.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:19am On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
the fall of the Soviet Union mate, as I said before.

No link. The defeat by Angola resulted in your leaving Namibia.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 7:28am On Dec 19, 2015

jln115:
Dude putting a hashtag with the word fact after it doesn't make it a fact!

You just don't love truth. The hashtag hasn't suffered an abuse of use yet, it isn't startin with me. My submissions are facts and backed by history. The botha regime did its best to hide the casualties of the war. He had reasons: if word spread round the apartheid soldiers are being mowed in Angola, there would have been grave repercussions at home in south Africa which, at that time had militarized streets already. Thus your generals doctored the report for domestic expediencies backed by American mercenaries and CIA. Christopher, the chief press secretary Of the Regan(?) Administration was also falsifying results for the American press.

The lies was all uncovered after Angolan troops besieged your forces for days with no communication getting through to pretoria. It was a total lockdown.

Botha flew to the battle theatre in panic and anxiety. That was why you called for negotiations. If you could win the war, you would never have agreed to and sat down to negotiation.

You would never had conceded Namibia.

You south Africans are impossible. YOU admit to nothing. I am yet to see a people so dishonest with their own self-accessment. You have carried the art of self-deception so long, you're blind to reality now.

SOUTH Africa is a floating junk of debris, you belong to the past. Start honest rebuilding and stop pretending to lead Africa, you're all still groping in the dark.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:05pm On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
Dude, it didn't make political(Sanctions) and economical (Sanctions) sense anymore to hold on to Namibia when there was no more threat from the Soviet Union. Namibia was our buffer zone so to speak. And we never lost a single battle, so how were we being arse kicked?

Do you comprehend?

No, you lost men, equipment, armoury in Angola. Botha left Pretoria when Angolan troops besieged the south African military and cut off communication. You were so desperate you almost resorted to nuclear. You conceded Namibia to save your face. #fact.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:25pm On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
the fall of the Soviet Union mate, as I said before.

you're deliberately playing hide-and-seek with subterfuge: state your claims plainly. If you negotiated with namibia, you were getting your arse kicked.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 7:36pm On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
Jap they were brave, no doubt!! Taking on one of the top 10 militaries of the world at that time took some balls, however they failed to win a single battle unsurprisingly!

Own up. Why did the south African military go to thhe negotiation table? Why'd they agree to pull out of namibia?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 4:21pm On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
What? When did I deny apartheid? It takes someone truly special to come up with fantasies like the one above!

You claimed Boers never ruled all of South Africa

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 4:20pm On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
When was the SADF ever defeated in its entire history? So why would Zuma acknowledge that Angola defeated the SADF?

Honestly dude, are you fvcking high when you wright your B.S?

There you are , you claim to be an expert in military and political history. Zuma was in Angola in 2009 and heaped praises on the Angolan military for its bravery in their role against apartheid south Africa.

Got get your facts.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 9:23am On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
I know its not an English word bro, Fvck dude do you think I don't know my own fvcking language?

And what does the origin of the word apartheid have to do with the argument?? The Zulus had their own kingdom and own king during apartheid. So how were they conquered?

You deny the far-reaching implications of apartheid. You deny that Zulus were sovereign under the weight of apartheid. You're denying apartheid in essence. You finally managed to undervalue the hardship Zulus endured. Thus the need to remind you that apartheid is south Africa's gift to humanity.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 8:41am On Dec 18, 2015

jln115:
Jap Mandela literally admitted that the SADF was one of the strongest militaries in the world

Why can't you fools keep a straight line of argument. If Mandela said the SANDF is one of the strongest militaries , what about it? How does it negate the fact that Jacob Zuma went to Angola and acknowledged the Angolan army taught south Africa some hard lessons which resulted in the defeat of the SANDF.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:17pm On Dec 17, 2015

jln115:
Ok they bleeped us because you say so? Or is it something you read from that forum you used to quote?

Oh, the ANC admitted that much.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 6:33pm On Dec 17, 2015

Centrifude:
As always a fibble minded like you will miss the point. The reason I mentioned those countries is to show that progress takes time, and with the case of infrastructure Europe was in a much better position because they already had the knowledge and experience of building large forms of infrastructure, unlike in S.A where there was basically little or no forms of infrastructure in most parts of the Country. Europeans and japanese only had to rebuild using what they already knew, unlike in S.A where we first had to re-educate entire generations so that they could gain the knowledge needed to build from scratch. We started from the bottom up unlike those countries.

Its not just abt the mispelling, its the fact that you associated him with the wrong party, a party that julius opposes more than the ANC. It shows your lack of knowledge of S.A politics.

The fact that you put those countries into perspective in the context of south Africa showed you're a dagga-infused newt. Dopey Zulu like you.

Now take your front seat let your free education commence.

Second world war took everything Japan and Europe had. The US had to introduce the Marshall plan to ease the situation. These countries suffered human and infrastructurial loses. It was a war that lasted over 6 years.
So there's no correlation with south Africa. The Dutch was building the country, while sub-zero humans like you were sprinting in the forest half_naked with flies chasing after your unwashed behind.

After 300 years of Dutch growth, Africa urged them to hand over the keys to you bushman and you have already proven self-government to be a burden to you.

Zulus are the armpit of Africa,
The shame of black race
And the most inferior specie of the black race.

You're a destitute fleabag , with mediocrity marking your life's sojourn. You're a failure-magnet by design.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 6:22pm On Dec 17, 2015

jln115:
Dude we were a stone through away from Luanda, if it wasn't for the US we would've anex Angola.

And Nambias independence was due to the fall of the Soviet Union, it had nothing to do with Angola or the Border war, we didn't need a buffer zone anymore, thus it didn't make economical or political sense to not give Namibia their independence.

Angola bleeped you in spite of the US, not because of her. You failed.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 6:20pm On Dec 17, 2015*

FighterPilot:
You clearly don't know African history and this proves it all. Angola was very weak, that's why Russia and Cuba came in to fight for them.

http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/21/2100

Cuba had teenage girls for pilot, Russia supplied tanks, amour and Jets. South Africa had CIA mercenaries and amour supplied by US, plus a few indigenous ones. Still you were smoked out, suffered heavy loses. The apartheid government was hiding war casualties in order to suppress anti-apartheid revolt at home. Christopher of the White house was making sure the international press never got the full story.

Meanwhile, wealthy africaaner sons who were routinely butchered queried the government for the truth.

When south Africa called for dialogue, Anglo dictated the terms and requested for the independence of Namibia.

Are you with me thus far? All you Zulus learnt the art of fakery, denial and criminal doctoring of facts from your government. It marked the apartheid era. Today the ANC is leading the trend of denial and cheap lies.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:17pm On Dec 17, 2015

FighterPilot:
ANC received most of their financial, military and material benefit from Britain and Russia That cannot be changed.

Zulus back home never had anyone to look after or anyone to run to. They fought murderous apartheid regime all by themselves by doing the following.

1.Making the government ungovernable.
2.Boycotts.
3.Staying away
4.Petrol bombing public buildings.
5.Total shutdowns
6.Protesting and many other events that made the government ungovernable.

Zulus defeated apartheid and Mandela asked Zulus not to take anything from the Boers or even push them to the sea. They are citizens of SA and not all of them are guilty because they never made those decisions.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:00pm On Dec 17, 2015

jln115:
Angola defeated the SADF? They lost every single battle during the border war mate! Apartheid fell due to international sanctions!! Nigeria did next to fokkol to end apartheid.

Angola flooged your boys who were so desperate they contemplated the use nuclear. They besieged your troops and cut off communication links. Botha had to come down. Blah!! South Africa had to negotiate the independence of Namibia as a result. Damn, ANC still pays tribute to Angola to this day.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:54pm On Dec 17, 2015

FighterPilot:
Angola received protection from Russia as their communist power. Obviously Angola on its own would have never stopped SA because it wanted that oil like nothing on earth. I told you that Nigeria is a friend to ANC and not to SA and helping ANC does not translate to helping SA.

Yes, they did. And political alliance was beyond the scope of Zulus. Talk about inherent dumbness. Helping ANC was helping Zulus. If the German government want to cure polio in a certain africsn country, they could give funds or materials to an NGO or group in the said country on behalf of the people affected. You're all logically wanting, maybe not, just dumb denials.
[quote author=FighterPilot post=41090185

Zulus protected what was theirs to this hour. Most of the uprisings happened in central South Africa to what was known to be Boers territory[/quote]Zulus lost their heritage and history to the Boers. The only thing they kept was their bestial impulses that survived all 400 years of Boers' suppression.[/quote]

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:44pm On Dec 17, 2015

jln115:
How was I in denial?

Your countryman, Fighterpilot acknowledged Boers ruled South Africa. There's nothing left of you to debate with. You can even deny your presence here if you saw need to.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:42pm On Dec 17, 2015

FighterPilot:
Is there anything wrong with you if I say that Julius is not my youth league leader. Remember, SA is not a one party state.

When did you jump the ANC ship?

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