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johnydon22:wiegraf here, the ban bot is doing its thing, so I'm going to limit the amount of links in this post. No be today me and am don start dis talk https://www.nairaland.com/1420738/how-prove-atheist-god-exists/14 https://www.nairaland.com/1325844/used-respect-deism....until-met-deists/1 And others... To save you the trouble involved in reading through all that, here's an answer to the bolded uyi: God (conscious, intelligent energy) perforce effected our universe. What you call space I call God. Luckily for me, you've stated space is something.And uyi: Good. Space-time is intelligent. To help you, note that only intelligent dudes talk about it.To be fair, he's come a long way from claiming consciousness was imbued in us by god via telekinesis uyi: To the first question: God is consciousness itself and He imputed it to humans by telekinesis.And other such highlights. Goot times! Though methinks I've spent a little too much time here, but meh |
Reyginus:https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gv1fODCz1qfpooo.gif |
Reyginus:Will do. But will have to wait a bit. Over this weekend, likely that said, the satanist has already tackled a few related issues |
Reyginus:Looks to me like he did |
Reyginus:Yes |
hahn:Yup, an often ignored but rather insidious trait of the mind of various religious. |
Reyginus:It's fairly obvious. And if you're having troubles, answering my question would help. Can you unequivocally state that the mr Dear isn't a true xtian? Reyginus:You're being far too narrow-minded Reyginus:Are they following doctrine? Are their actions and beliefs justified and inspired by xtianity? etc |
hahn:He doesn't look crazy enough https://or-politics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/wife-of-garrett-swasey-officer-slain-in-colorado-planned-parenthood-attack.jpg |
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Mynd_44: Can you wait until night then?Yes |
Mynd_44: Huh? Can you please summarize? I am not in a place where I can read long postsNo |
Mynd_44: your comment violated rules 1 and 2Good chief You ban me for derailing this thread? I didn't even instigate, I was replying ishilove? Really? Not even a warning?? Even if you were going to ban me for 'derailing', could it not have waited until you addressed my concerns. Or do you just declare I violated rules 1 and 2 and leave me with no say in the matter? Shikena! If you're this highhanded with just admin privileges on a website, then well..... I don't suppose you and mac are buddies? Anyways, exactly how was my post off topic? Please, don't chicken out and do show how. Sadly, I didn't backup, but I'm sure you can dig it out, yes? As for rule 2, are you saying I deliberately try to incite trouble with the good muslim maclabantunji? Why? Because I called clowns like him that cannot help but interfere in affairs that aren't their concern, clowns? Is that what you consider an insult now? Ok, but I'd like some consistency pls. How about threads that call atheists fools, like this one. And, of course, the many, many posts daily that do so? I hope you'll act on those as well, yes? And of course, I also hope you'll act on threads like @macs, which posts blatant lies like atheists claim mac_d_one_true_untouchable_bossu: 2. I come from nothing.Many atheists don't do this, and it's extremely disrespectful to our holy doctrine. I am serious. To some, it is like claiming they support pedophilia, it is a slanderous. For instance, another clown, @folykaze, would be insulted by such a statement. Genuinely so. The good name of many atheists is being dragged through the dirt. People are labeled 'fools' for simply disbelieving in fairy tales, that's enough trouble for these poor atheists, let alone labeling them as 'nihilists' as well. "Atheists don't believe in anything bigger than themselves, in hell or heaven etc, just that we go back to being 'nothing' after we die. Therefore, atheists do not have any reason to be good and can just selfishly become evil". See? Also, his other ridiculous claims and insunuations, eg, atheism = support of evolution, clearly lies, so I can only assume it's a troll. Meant to rile up atheists and paint us as the villains, to incite prejudice and hate towards us, I trust you will take care of them as well, yes? |
Bidam: @Josh, most of these guys rely on human logic for an argument.INFACT majority of their queries have been answered in this forum by Mr.Anony, Ihedinobi,stryklymi,davidylan to mention a few.You might want to check their profile topics so as to know what to expect from these guys.So anony and co didn't use 'human logic' to answer those questions? I suppose they used mysteriousnsessensess.. I wonder how they used mysterioussneseseense, which cannot be understood by human logic apparently, to answer those questions... Thank you for confirming you're all filled with $hit and never answered anything |
Joshthefirst: why are you wasting your time on me then? Don't you know I'm "irredemably daft"? You should just keep ignoring me like you always do. I don't enjoy repeating the same thing to those hard of hearing.When did I call you irredimably daft?? Surely you should know if it were me trying to get that point across, it would be something much more accurate, eg the average toaster appears more intelligent than you. It at least does something right; toast bread. And what sort of mo.ron addresses/mentions a group, like you clearly did in your op, then whines when he's called out?? I ignore you, that does not mean I have to ignore you, yes? You wanted the attention, you're getting it now, so wtf are you whining about? Not what you expected? I can't help you with that, sorry. Joshthefirst: when have I ever made this claim? As I said you're only good at seeing what you want to see. Idolatry. I don't enjoy repeating the wages of sin is death over and over when you choose not to hear. God even wiped nations out because of wickedness. But that does not bother you. You'd rather continue in sin and call God unjust. Does that change anything?Look at the bolded, see what I mean about the toaster's IQ? So, the wiping out of those nations was.....good? Kayi...bros.. Also, please list these 'wickedness' and 'sin' these nations indulged in. Joshthefirst: Why would he force you to keep the law? God has released you into the world as a free moral agent. That does not mean you won't answer for crimes in the end. Does a judge not wait for a crime to be commited before the criminal is brought to law? We shall all stand before God to answer for our actions. He might use legitimate threatenings and appeals for different kinds of people to make them keep the law, but in the end, its up to them to keep it. Although he knows who will eventually keep or break the law, justice demands you warn everyone and give each one a chance to make his choice, Is that not true? How is this hard for you who claims to be intelligent to understand?What does this have to do with omnixx.xx? What is wrong with you?? And even disregarding that, you have not, anywhere, shown why god would need to rehabilitate or prevent. Not at all. So I repeat, it's a senseless, sociopathic exercise your almighty, great god just wants to go through so he could indulge in sadism. That's it. Retribution. Petty. Revenge. An almighty that has to enact....revenge... This is ignoring the fact that nobody deserves to be roasted forever. Actually, I'll add that no crime deserves even the stoning to death, even a hitler doesn't deserve that. When civilized folk have to kill a citizen, many of them, mere humans as they are, try to make the ordeal as painless as possible, as the point isn't to torture. In fact, most of the developed world does not even support the death penalty, because it does nothing as far as rehabilitation is concerned (it's only useful for prevention and again, revenge). But here we have your 'good' almighty god.. And again, this ignores the whole subjectivity angle of this exercise, and your omnixx.xx whargarble, which implies god's mistakes he blames on you.. and punishes you for them Joshthefirst: I'm preachingAnd preaching does not involve self-righteousness?? WTF is wrong with you? Joshthefirst: you do not seem to understand what eternal justification and eternal punishment is wrt eternity. Everyone has his chance to live here. After that is eternity. And what you do here will tell how you'll spend your eternity.What nonsense is this? What's hard to understand about eternity? Again, what's wrong with you? And by the way, strictly speaking, eternity shouldn't have a beginning, so I don't think you guys actually know what eternity is. But that's something that's way over your head. Joshthefirst: this is a lie that I have never spoken or said. I do not like being lied about. Place of birth and situation is not sin. Sin is wrong doing. Everyone knows when he does wrong and violates his conscience. This is another case of you trying to believe only what you want to believe and twisting facts to rationale your false claims of God's injustice. You might as well tell me a suicide bomber and terrorist does not sin because he thinks he's serving allah.Erm, yes.... Just as you believe wiping out whole nations, AKA GENOCIDE, is not a sin...same $hit genius.. In fact, I'd personally take up much better to a suicide bomber than a genocidal sociopath But we don't even need to get to that level. I mean, those born in say japan that follow some sort of buddhism etc as their cultural norm dictates, they reject christ as their lord and savior, no? In fact, it might be customary for them to mock the nonsense that is judeoxtian theology, and they do. For instance, in the SMT games, yah'weh is the bad guy, the ultimate boss. smt wiki: Throughout Shin Megami Tensei series, YHVH is characterized as a vain dictator who has created the universe in such a way that it will be subjugated under him forever. Lucifer rejected YHVH's authority and took one-third of the heavenly host to revolt against YHVH; however, Lucifer was defeated and banished to the demon world, falling from grace and subsequently becoming the lord of the demon world. YHVH is commonly referred as the "true enemy" throughout the series by Lucifer.Frankly, an accurate, if somewhat lenient, characterization of the great yahweh Now, considering the nonsense you're know to spew, where exactly are these folk behind these games, and all other similar folk through time, going to spend 'eternity'? (ps, not that it matters, but please don't pretend you don't mock other gods. You just called me 'idolator', and you meant it negatively...) Joshthefirst: let me repeat what I said, incase it got by you:Above... Joshthefirst: actually, all you've done is show me the folly of your ways. Was this message adressed to you? It was adressed to those who do care about their eternal wellbeing. God doesn't necessarily need you wiegraf, he only cares about you as a loving parent would. But he will judge you as a just judge. The requirements of justice must be met. We are not the only beings in the universe who watch to see the ways of Almighty. YOU IN THE OP:So are those who "care about their eternal wellbeing", in your words, "proud windbag"? At last, something we may perhaps agree on. Joshthefirst: things are already being achieved, the word of God prospers.Again, what is really wrong with you? Tell me, else I cannot help you? |
obadiah777: ill check it out.Thank you kind ser, if you'd extend your graciousness to unhiding my post here so I can continue my peaceful discussion, that would be appreciated good ser. |
Localamos: @wiegraf. I wonder why you choose to smear another person with a derogatory appellation such as bigot. I thought this was an intellectual discuss aimed at enlightening others.Yes, you're the persecuted one here. You clumped these together localomos: necrophilia, pedophalia and -of course - homo.se.xualitydespite the fact that ho.mosexuality is NOT even considered paraphillia, notably by the scientific community, which I believe is where you think your authority comes from. And more importantly, p.edophilia and necrophilia (without consent) are intrinsically predatory, nothing of the sort with ho.mosexuality. Not to mention condescending talk of 'healing' them. You might as well have lumped black people, or heteros, with ra.pists and murderers. But no, you're not smearing the good name of a whole population. On the other hand, "Calling a bigot bigotted? That's bad wiegraf!" Like I said earlier, spambot got my post. Trying to get it free |
Mods, are y'all banning wiegraf, or the spambot? |
Mr Troll: ^^^avi? Mr Troll: yes o! We don miss u small sha. The theists here have been dreary and really boring. Any shayo for the boys?I said I'd consider being nice. Not sure why I considered that consideration now.. |
Mr anony: I think you are getting things mixed up. Are you saying that....Neither Mr anony: Please try not to employ the "spirit/soul" strawman this time?Oh sharrap. What exactly do you hold responsible if not your spirit nonsense? Do you know what a strawman is... EDIT; What happened to the other thread? Was it deleted? |
Mr anony: Two questions you are still evadingAre you blind? me: So, butt sex between heteros, BJs and the works fit that definition of paraphernalia by your definition. Actually, anything other than missionary is superfluous, including say (especially tongue) kissing. Please add them to your illustrious list, along with necrophilia, pedophalia and -of course - homo.se.xuality, else, you're a bigot.And he replies (fairly decently tbf), which I reply. In which I state it's not fully his fault, seeing some eediots in psychology caused the confusion (historically), but he's still being bigoted, as by consensus today, the scientific community does not classify hom.osexuality as parahilia. It's more involved than that, but I doubt you'd understand. The op can read it when it's unhidden. Mr anony: 2. Why is it ok to discriminate between sexual preferences in a secular sense (whatever you might mean by "secular sense"Where do I say this? Mr anony: There is no nonsense in what I said. If a person totally owns, creates and sustains a thing solely by his will, he/she is under no obligation towards it.So you agree it's sociopathic? Especially this anony: God has the right to do as He pleases with what belongs to Him. He is not unfair at all.Of course, sentient human beings 'belonging' to him as well, yes? Mr anony: P/s: since you never claim to be mature, I will stop relating with you based on the assumption that you possess some maturity.And my whole world just came crashing down...anony isn't going to take me seriously anymore. I feel like I've just been castrated.... If I were mature btw, I wouldn't waste time with you. |
Mr anony: I have shown you a direct causal relationship between non-matterial information and matterial change.Erm, yes, you've shown nothing of the sort. What we have here is the extremely normal, ordinary and ubiquitous causal relationship between 'non-material' information, produced by a material base, and a material change. Same way a computer program could run scandisk on itself. Or a body would produce antibodies in response disease. Or, better yet, release hormones when a potential mate is encountered. So, when a potential mate is observed and the body produces hormones which alter the very physiological structure of the being, are you saying animals are incapable of doing this without....souls? You do know that's exactly whats going on here, yes? Brain processes information, decides hormones need to be released to deal with the problem, ie attracting the mate, then proceeds. In the case of neurogenesis, brain processes information, decides more fire power is needed, then proceeds to neurogenesis. This is intrinsic to nature, or maybe all species that exhibit adult neurogenesis, or respond to stimulus really, ie ALL LIFE, has souls as well? Do they get to go to heaven too? I am still waiting for you to show me why, or how, humans are not subject to the laws of nature, you're simply running around in circles. I am still waiting for you to show me how, even conceptually, anything can manifest without a material base.... |
Mr anony: Why is he a bigot?It's not rhetoric bros, Mr anony: I am only firmly pointing out to you that God is not being unfair. Since the whole universe is His property, He is under no obligation to give you what you want just because you want it.It's hard to believe that someone with empathy would utter such nonsense, so I'm inclined to believe you're a sociopath. Feel free to ignore me, it's a very free world. And note, I never, ever claim to be mature. @op, post hidden, mods should clear it up soon |
Mr anony: What do you mean by "in a secular sense"? I would have thought that a secular sense wouldn't discriminate between any sexual preferences.It looks clear to me. Ask @okey, it's his general speak. Can't be too bothered with your shenanigans at this moment. Mr anony: P/s: The if-you-don't-agree-with-me-you-are-a-bigot style of argument is really immature. If you truly had some intellect, you wouldn't need to employ the ad hominem fallacy in your rhetoric.If you truly has some intellect, my good sociopath, you realize that is not "if-you-don't-agree-with-me-you-are-a-bigot style of argument". I clearly show why he's a bigot, kindly refute else stop with the silly accusations of ad hominem. |
Abeg, mods, hidden post/ban here. Fix pls. |
Ohh, fanboing here (hence the username, The Brotherhood Without Banners at your service good sers). Was going to comment, but somehow forgot. The original writer does comment on a lot of stuff, eg hypocrisy regarding sex, violence and the media, subtly or not, in the books. But here are some actual quotes from him about gods http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/master-of-the-games-george-r-r-martin-spars-and-parties-with-fans-in-montana-20120601 grrm: "Is Jaime Lannister cursed by the Gods?" another asked. Martin put his elbows on the table and leaned forward, "Do you really believe there are Gods? I'll answer whether there are Gods in my books when I see definitive evidence about whether there are Gods in this world. Maybe if God turns up and is interviewed on CNN or something.http://grrm.livejournal.com/82239.html grrm: Don't read this if you haven't yet watched the season finales of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and/ or LIFE ON MARS. I've finally seen both (we are TIVO junkies, so we don't always watch shows the night they air), and... well...Now, now, this is complaining about the poor writing, but still. "GOD DID IT!"...lol The TV series isn't all from him though, so whatever shows up there need not come from him. I can't remember if he used that actual line in the book. And yes, that line can apply to a lot of things, including gods |
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Mr anony: Are you saying they are both evil? If so, by what moral standard did you judge them?That's where negotiations kick in, no? |
Mr anony: In what sense do you mean?You say an action cannot be judged moral without reason. What determines the reason? What motivates man? |
Mr anony: But deepsight will also be offending her values too. no?Goot. Now you get it. Yes |
Mr anony: reductio ad absurdumEhm, why? Not because you say so again, I hope? Mr anony: Do you really understand the meaning of "truly"Your god who thinks us less than maggots flooded the earth, yes? You do call that act good, yes? Simply because of his less than stellar views of us, yes? What's that, he didn't do it for fun? Well, I've always wondered why an omnipotent would be compelled to do something. As for 'truly', even so, to make an example of repeat, unrepentant offenders. Might be truly sorry now, but that would be of little import. |
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