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budaatum:
Where have you been, my Lord!

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year my dear Buda. I've been around but pretty busy so not much time for Nairaland most days.

budaatum:
Of Course Donald Trump Didn’t Enjoy Hearing a Truly Christian Message

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/bishop-budde-trump/681415/

I love the jokes people made about him not putting a hand on the Bible during the swearing in. The guy is a pretender and all the other pretenders, who claim they love but have hearts filled with hate, all love him.

itu404:
Episcopal Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, during a prayer service on Tuesday, urged Presiden Trump to show mercy toward immigrants and members of the LGBT+ community. But the newly sworn 47th president of the united state of America, USA, was quick to offer his criticism of the bishop’s pleas with heavily laced harsh words:

“The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater.

“She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart.

“She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our country and killed people.

“Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA.

“Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one.

“She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology!” Trump posted on Truth Social.

For more clarity, below are the bishop’s words:Addressing the President, Budde said, “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and independent families—some who fear for their lives. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear their parents will be taken away, and that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here where we think she missed it. Our bishop may have meant well, but the outcome only shows that there are issues as clergy men /women we ought not to dabble in. words like lesbian, gay and transgender
Where we think she missed it.Our bishop may have meant well, but the outcome only shows that there are issues as clergy men /women, we ought not to dabble in. Mention words like gay, lesbian and transgender in most pulpits will still curse quite a stir and murmurs. Many denominations of the church are yet to come to terms with these groups and there are those who thinks it will amount to compromise if they are accepted into the mainstream, into the church save if their mission is to come and renounce and seek prayers. Therefore, the bishop was not entirely representing the body of christ. Furthermore, Paul’s advice concerning those in Authority was to pray for them1 Timothy 2:1-4, I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [KJV] I doubt if Paul would have preferred to ask for the freedom of slaves rather than an opportunity to preach to the king; because that is the mission, preaching the gospel while staying clear of politics. Furthermore, dealing with sensitive requests from those in authority calls for prayers and we first ask God for direction. Queen Esther was facing a daunting task on the face of a threat of genocide of her people, yet her husband had the right to quell the plan, but it was that easy to do here is the bible excerpt: Esther 4:16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish. Queen Esther knew the implication of what she was about to embark on, but she handled it with prayers and fasting , soliciting prayers from others. Changing our mind about what we believe or foregoing our stance about some convictions is difficult, let alone a politician foregoing his promises to the electorates. What would happen in the midterm election? It takes God to change our ways. See Proverbs 21:1, The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. It is becoming quite alarming the way ecclesiastics are dabbling into politics, forgetting the biblical standard; this ought not to be we can correct, reprove these politicians by first taking them to God for help to lead right and wisdom to govern. Being quick to condemn their ways or policies does not cut it. And it was a non brainer tasking a new elected president to withdraw policies that got him elected in the first place.

Pastor Godwin writes from Amsterdam

So because you labelled someone gay or lesbian or transgender they no longer deserve compassion? You are pretenders. Pretending to love but with hearts filled with hate.

fergie001:
I honestly don't think it will.


The Democrats had their fair share whilst they were majority.
Listen, politicians are the same all over the world, the difference however is that you have strong institutions in certain climes, to help curtail excesses whilst in others, you know nah

Fair share of what exactly? How are you both sides-ing this travesty?

timmydrogba:
I had to post this because there was an argument on here on a guys thread about people who keep dogs.
It’s crazy it even happens to “owners themselves “ in supposed saner climes. I’d rather keep four ekukes than a dangerous dog after all ekuke Dey loyal to who Dey give ham food. 🦴 🥘

My two cents 🤷🏽‍♂️🤝

Nothing like loyal between hungry animal and corpse. Those your ekukes will be the first to ravage your corpse after you've been feeding them eba and stew.

lexy2014:
Who will run the fashion house?

The mum I presume.

Kobicove:
It would have made more sense to open an education endowment fund for her

Well, this could be seen as one since it would be, presumeably, generating profit which could be used for her education.

MrPresident1:
We are decoding eons old hidden wisdom. We are navigating a labyrinth. The prophecy did not play out as you thought or wanted.

You are such a fool.

Ojoro master. LoLz. You bleeped up but instead of admitting you are making mouth. Bwahahahahaha!

MindHacker9009:
Where did Jeremiah say this: Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, 10 and gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.” Matthew 27:9-10.

Matthew instead changed what was said in Zechariah 11:12-13, which mentions thirty pieces of silver being cast to the potter in the house of the Lord:
"Then I said to them, 'If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.' So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, 'Throw it to the potter'—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter."

I million Naira if you can find Matthew 27:9-10 in Jeremiah or Zechariah !

Matthew is writing fanfic. LoLz.

guobe:
Kids are really differently built humans by God.
They just lost a parent and they are still smiling,laughing and playing computer games on phone.
While the adults are wailing and rolling on the floor,you see the kids keeping their self busy by playing.
It's a different world most kids live in.

That's because the associations with loss have not become part of their experience yet.

DrMB:
What does this executive order mean for Nigerians and other developing countries?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ8k1yrhHtA

Related Topics:

President Trump Signs Executive Order, Exits U.S. From WHO & Paris Climate Deal https://www.nairaland.com/8322537/president-trump-signs-executive-order

President Trump Signs Executive Order for Tiktok 50/50 Profit Sharing Formula https://www.nairaland.com/8322529/president-trump-signs-executive-order

Executive order to countermand the constitution? Unless the SC judges have lost their minds this would be shut down quickly.

Hemanwel:
A 25-year-old single mother of two OR a 38-year-old unmarried banny.

The one with a good personality.

Image123:
In the first place, i did not bring it as scientific evidence, i brought the answersingenesis link for your consideration.
https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/evidences-genesis-flood/?srsltid=AfmBOorKOBH3FZYZBvcRrvTVOqMtxhv3_9kLjH5osBXlBGvUOzPDC5Gk

i only added the other link for you to verify your requirements that the writer was indeed a Ph.D in Geology with papers in scientific journals. But you insist on stating it as evidence when i never made it one.
In the second place, i did not dismiss his writings but the rebuttal that you put forth which focused on the Grand Canyon and left every other thing that Snelling mentioned. Snelling's PROPOSING that ice melted is not evidence, is it? Or is a proposal a fact? If you want to talk in terms of science, read the answersingenesis link and fault it scientifically, not all these pussyfooting.

LoLz. When you have scientific journals you want to discuss lemme know.

BTW why are you lying? This is what you said when you posted the researchgate link:

Image123:
Nonetheless, i will give you links to his works published in a scientific journal, although i know your rigmarole.
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Andrew-A-Snelling-2009962514

Where in it do you say you are posting it to verify his credentials? Nah, you were hoping I would be as disingenuous as you and not read anything.

Pussyfooting lazy arse here is you.

Image123:
i don't know anything about magic. If you refer to miracles, i did not bring up a discussion on miracles with you, did i? When you have a scientific rebuttal to the link that i gave you, let me know instead of lazy excuses.

LoLz. Says the guy who dismissed the very thing he linked to. Find someone else who wants to discuss magic or miracles with you, I am not interested.

Image123:
We didn't start talking with THIS conversation, did we. We've been talking for years i suppose. i asked you the science angle and your requirements in THIS conversation. i have been telling you about faith and your huge misuse of your faith for years. Your faith is in science, it doesn't have to be limited to this like i always said. It's what i tried explaining to DaddyCoool.

Well then I am not interested in talking about magic with you. When you have evidence that can be verified let me know.

Image123:
Your criteria was met, i provided your approved scientist to talk on the subject. You refuse to take his talk on the subject but chose to choose other convenient things.

Then you dismissed even what you brought as scientific evidence in favour of magic.

DaddyCoool:
Not quite. Don’t necessarily end the conversation with him. Just have him implicitly admit that without miracles he's lost the argument

LoLz. I have tried but he would never admit that, he is too stuck up.

DaddyCoool:
In that case you need to have an agreement about it in advance, otherwise once miracle is mentioned that's the end of any argument based on logic

Exactly. Which is one of the reasons why I ended the conversation with him. We start with science then he tries to include magic, well, bye then.

Image123:
Because i told him that several times over the years but he keeps forgetting.

Why are you being disingenuous? Did this conversation begin with you claiming it was a miracle or you asking about scientific expertise?

DaddyCoool:
LordReed, true?
That's how the argument was ended when I kept pointing ways the Noah story doesn't make scientific sense

Dude came to me about scientific evidence but wants to pivot. LoLz.

Of course a story can have any magical bullshìt the author wants it to have and you can't argue with it but real life ain't a fairytale with magic.

Image123:
And clearly stated the reason.

Again that's your business I stated my criteria very clearly.

Image123:
Answersingenesis? Nah. The other publications simply affirmed the scientist status of Snelling.

YOU posted the researchgate link.

Rossikk:
EXACTLY. PURE PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION.

Yep.

Seunomobo:
He go explain tire but no proper evidence except bringing out one book to back up his claim.....

Abi o.

Image123:
You're not ready.

LoLz. Says the one who is dismissed the very publication he asked me to look at.

Image123:
It made no sense. You said "Answersingenesis.org is not a scientific journal." i showed you that the page in reference is written by a scientist, a Ph.D Geologist. Almost everything he wrote on that particular link are geologically relevant. It's like a scientist talking on television and we discard him because what he is saying is on TV not in a journal.

That's your business. You asked me what I would consider as expertise and I specified scientific journal publication as one criteria.

Image123:
No, your refusal to rebut the submissions from the answersin genesis link for your geological evidence does that.

Go look at my response to you about Answersingenesis.

Image123:
i would think that the most relevant of Snelling's work to the conversation was here in https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/evidences-genesis-flood/?srsltid=AfmBOorKOBH3FZYZBvcRrvTVOqMtxhv3_9kLjH5osBXlBGvUOzPDC5Gk
Why did you go looking for what was not missing? You asked for an expert and gave your specs, Snelling fits your requirements obviously. Reason why i again asked you, "Are you saying that he is not an expert, or that anything he says outside scientific journals is not expert enough?"



Their PROPOSALS are not Bible or my problem, it's their problem and that of those looking for scientific proof for a miracle.




Suggestions are not the Bible. The Bible says
Gen 6:17  And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Evidently, the flood was to destroy all flesh, not to go melting ice and whatnots.



The Bible says nothing about ice melting.
Gen 7:19  And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
You surely don't need to be reminded that ice is water. It doesn't have to melt to be water. 



Who are the they saying? Are they not your experts in Geology? Did i not tell you that no scientist has experienced a global flood to be exact about what will be or was? But you said no, science will know. Now i gave you scientist and they don't seem to know. My Bible knows fa.



You should probably be reading submissions from the answersin genesis link for your geological evidence for divine judgement. Like i said earlier, one man's expert is another man's apprentice. The argument you presented seemed to have some fixated obsession on the Grand Canyon while Snelling talked extensively about fossils and then sediments spread across continents(continental-scale sedimentary layers). Snelling also argues for massive forces deposit and no sign of millions of years interval. i expect the critics to scientifically rebut these many issues instead of using some microscopic 'but' on the grand canyon as a rebuttal.

The bolded makes it clear there is no further need to engage with you on this topic.

Image123:
Lol, it's not my work, you asked me to produce Snelling's work that says there was a global flood. Then you somehow gave the excuse that Answersingenesis.org is not a scientific journal. You initially asked for an expert in geology. Snelling is an expert in Geology with a Ph.D and published articles in scientific journals which you claimed to be the usual benchmark for experts. A si,ple google or wikipedia search will show you some of his scientific words.
Are you saying that he is not an expert, or that anything he says outside scientific journals is not expert enough?

Nonetheless, i will give you links to his works published in a scientific journal, although i know your rigmarole.
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Andrew-A-Snelling-2009962514

So I took a look at the listed works of Snelling on the page you linked and I think the one most relevant to this conversation is: Catastrophic Plate Tectonics: A Global Flood Model of Earth History

To start with this is what Snelling et al say about their work in the paper on page 2:

Because of the enormous explanatory and predictive
success of the plate tectonics model (reviewed in
Wise, in prep. a; Wise et al., in prep.), we feel that at
least some portion of plate tectonics theory should be
incorporated into the creation model. It appears that
taking the conventional plate tectonics model and
increasing the rate of plate motion neither deprives
plate tectonics theory of its explanatory and predictive
success, nor does it seem to contradict any passages of
Scripture. Therefore, following the example of Antonio
Snider we would like to propose a model of geology
which is centered about the idea of rapid, horizontal
divergence of rigid crustal plates (that is, rapid plate
tectonics) during Noah’s Flood. We feel that this model
is not only capable of the explanatory and predictive
success of conventional plate tectonics, but is also
capable of clarifying a number of scriptural claims
and explaining some physical data unexplained by
conventional plate tectonics theory.

With this in mind we should expect that the model will explain any physical data we find in any part of the world since it is claiming there was a global catastrophic flood.

Reading through the paper the thing that jumped out at me is their description of the pre and post flood conditions and how they would affect 2 disparate regions of the earth: the Sahara desert and Antartica. I will explain why shortly.

In order for the earth to even be remotely habitable during such a catastrophic deluge, the writers propose that magma released from the deep in the earth due to the tectonic shifts.

Page8: By the time Flood waters had settled into the post
Flood basins, they had accumulated enough heat to
leave the oceans as much as twenty or more degrees
centigrade warmer than today’s oceans (Figure 1).
These warmer oceans might be expected to produce
a warmer climate on earth in the immediate post
Flood times than is experienced on earth now
(Oard, 1990a).

By there own suggestion the north and south poles where completely inundated by water that is warmer than our current ocean temperatures by as much as 20 degrees. In our current climate struggles we are seeing large swaths of permafrost melting because of a 2 degree change in temperature. So for a 20 degree change in temperature in water covering the entire Antartica it follows that ALL of the ice there would have melted. And that would even play well into the flood scenario since it would add to the volume of water covering the globe.

Now this is where it gets interesting. If all of the ice in Antarctica melted then we should expect to find that the oldest ice layers in Antarctica would not be older than 6,000 years at the most and 4,400 years (the estimated time frame of the flood) at the least. However the evidence we find is that we have ice layers way older that 6,000 years. Matter of fact an article from 4 days ago states that ice dated to 1.2 million years ago has been found in Antarctica. Snelling et al's model has therefore failed to account for this data.

On to the Sahara desert. Imagine that the Sahara was inundated and then dried out 5 months later what should we expect. Well they say that the world was warmer immediately post the flood and has gotten cooler since then. Therefore we should find that the Sahara has been cooling from around that time but this is not what we find. Instead the evidence on hand shows that the Sahara has been getting more arid for the past 10,000 years. Again this flood model fails to account for the very obvious physical evidence we have.

There are even more in depth criticisms of Snelling's work. Here is one: Reply to Andrew Snelling’s arguments regarding cliffs formed in the walls of the Grand Canyon=https://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr49Snelling.pdf
Lemme see whether you will read it. LoLz.

iSense247:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EkHnazsiG/

Delulu story.

Krismas:
Paternity test does not reduce the fact that DNA is entirely unique to each and every individual. Perhaps the test helps to establish from who's DNA,
the child's own DNA was produced, who cares?
DNA is like fingerprints, entirely personal.
So, humans only have the DNA of humans, regardless of individuality.
There is something known as DNA of HUMANS.
Zedonk, neither has the DNA of Donkey nor dat of Zebra.

Crossbreeding has nothing to do wit evolution? But can u crossbreed different genus?
What is the name of any crossbred animal across genus, alive today?
This is why minotaur exist only in myths.
Crossbreeding is proof of evolution.

U have no facts. Just meaningless dubious reasoning, useless in the context of this debate.

LoLz. It's a troll.

Bye.

Krismas:
Ur verdict is entirely ur responsibility. I honestly don't care.

1. I was honest from start. I don't know ToE even has sections.

2. DNA is unique in every human. No two is alike.

What do u believe? Else, don't take offence if i fail to respond

Good that you acknowledge that you don't know what the ToE is about. Like I told you previously it has nothing to do with crossbreeding so your zedonk example has nothing to do with the ToE.

DNA is passed on from parent to child, that is why you can do a paternity test.

I do not believe things. I accept facts. The ToE is an established fact.