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gohf:
so good you understand so answer the question "which of the two do you believe big bang of no origin or the flood"

That "someone" didn't cause it doesn't make it of "no origin". Also I don't "believe" in the Big Bang, I don't need to since there is evidence for it.

gohf:
is there someone that caused the big bang?

Nope, it didn't need someone to cause it.

MaxInDHouse:
Well i have Good News for you that apart from North Korea there is no country where Jehovah's Witnesses haven't reached with the Good News of PEACE!

There is no JW in Sentinel Island. And I doubt there are JW in the Amazon.

gohf:
but which of the two do you believe big bang of no origin or the flood

WTH is "big bang of no origin"?

MaxInDHouse:
Great!
Now you're getting closer to the truth.

Remember that Jesus didn't just say wars and rumors of war rather he mentioned several events we can sum up as COMPOSITE SIGN:

In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:4-14

Verse 5: Some politicians will rise and claim they are the savior of the world.
Verse 6: Wars and rumors of war.
Verse 7: Nations will rise against nations and earthquakes in many places.
Verse 8: These are just the tips of the iceberg.
Verse 9: Jesus' true disciples will be arrested and many of them killed.
Verse 10: Many disciples will give up and begin to hate those sticking to the faith.
Verse 11: Lots of people will be led into false religions claiming Christians.
Verse 12: Because of so much irregularities many will turn to atheism as their love for God cools off.
Verse 13: But few will not give up rather they will stick to what they know is fine in the faith.
Verse 14: The GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom will be preached in all the nations and disciples of the Prince of Peace will prove to be in all the nations as a witness that he is working and gathering his subjects globally, then the end of badness will come.

Now kindly tell me what period of history has these simultaneously occurred just as it's happening today?

Aside from before Christianity practically every period of written human history had these. Look up the late Bronze age collapse for example. As for since the establishment of Christianity as a religion the only thing missing is the "preached in all the nations" which is even still not completely true because of people like the Sentinelese who have been prohibited from being contacted or the Amazonian tribes that have not been reached at all.

gohf:
you have the nation Israel, get a visa, buy a ticket go there or better still read your history or listen to those who may not lie to you.

Do you know anyone's certification here that you would say yes I believe evidence provided by you.

You can either believe humans are self existing as they are not created or that God who is self existing formed adam and eve and we were born from them

You have New York, get a visa, buy a ticket go there, therefore Thor the god of thunder exists.

Nachmonides:
The Bible has external confirmation with hard evidence.

I have talked about the global catastrophic event and the idea of repeatability of miracles. How that some things are not verifiable through scientific means, how that science is limited.

And that is fine, but that doesn't make what is true not true because science disagrees, or hasn't discovered, or evolved to understanding.

There is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood so that already means the Bible is false, at least on that singular point. And in all likelihood all other ancillary stories to the flood are also false. So for instance there never was a boat made of wood big enough to carry 2 of every land animal on earth. It is physically impossible.

These are very physical things that no amount of religious mental gymnastics will get around.

Nachmonides:
Then you should have accused it from the standpoint of your scientific beliefs.

A religious man could play the same card at your science for failing to pass their religious methods of verification.

Modified: You should have accused it of failing on certain scientific grounds.

Go look at the question you asked me again.

Nachmonides:
I only gave my perspective on the scientific side, to appeal to your senses.

The Bible is not meant to be a book to be scientifically proven. It's meant to pass a message across. It may therefore include things that may or may not be able to be scientifically proven.

Then you should not have asked me the first question you did. I am not interested in wranglings about religious truth.

MaxInDHouse:
That will only amount to endless arguments but what of prophecies found written in the Bible that's being fulfilled today?

Like wars and rumors of war? Kindly tell me what period of history never had wars and rumours of war.

MaxInDHouse:
The truth of the Bible never change just that you people don't want the truth!

Before the first ever miracles performed through the hands of a human God never promised the descendants of Abraham that he will use one of them to perform miracles rather what God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is that their descendants will inherit the land of Canaan so when Moses got to Egypt and started performing miracles people thought he will always perform miracles each time they need anything but is that what God promised their forefathers?

NO!

So it's only Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephuneh that got to the promised land out of millions of Israelites who were above 20 years when they left Egypt.

What did God promised in the Bible that can't work except due to divine intervention?

You people will ignore that demanding what God never promised you as if without you His plans will not work.
As long as we have people like Joshua and Caleb today JEHOVAH will work with them and as for the rest they are on their own!

Oga there is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood.

Nachmonides:
Asking for hard evidence of a global flood in the same manner as we ask for evidence of the Big Bang highlights a parallel in terms of scientific inquiry and the limits of empirical evidence.

Big Bang evidence includes cosmic background radiation, the expansion of the universe, and observations of distant galaxies. These provide indirect evidence that supports the Big Bang theory, but the event itself cannot be directly observed, as it occurred billions of years ago.

Similarly, evidence for the global flood could include regional geological changes or ancient flood myths from various cultures, but definitive proof of a global event like the flood as described in Genesis is not present. The event itself is not observable, and much of the evidence would be indirect, if it exists.

Science is simply limited to understand realms outside it, and evolving.

There is no evidence of a global catastrophic flood. Simple. The attempt to equate evidence for the Big Bang with an ancient tale is flat out rubbish. All it takes is a tiny bit of reasoning to know that any ancient civilisation that developed near a body of water will experience flooding and therefore have stories about floods. To leap from that to all flood stories are about some great global flood is absurditiy pro max.

Nachmonides:
Balderdash, I'll first tackle the method you have mentioned, which is, it has to be scientific. That's a dishonest thing to do.

Science is limited to the physical realm and is not equipped to evaluate or prove concepts that are outside of it, such as faith, morality, or divine inspiration. These are not always testable or repeatable in a laboratory setting.

For instance, the existence of God, the purpose of life, or the afterlife are metaphysical or philosophical questions that go beyond the purview of scientific experimentation.

Truth is not limited to only what can be scientifically proven; some truths exist in experience, relationships, and faith that cannot be captured through empirical means.
The main problem with looking for scientific truth in religious matters is that science and religion operate in different realms. Science seeks to explain the physical world using observation and evidence, while religious truths often deal with spiritual, moral, and metaphysical questions that are not always measurable or observable. This doesn't mean that scientific truth is irrelevant, but it does highlight that there are different kinds of truth that require different approaches to understanding.

The balderdash is from you because we are not discussing if the god exists but the truth of the Bible.

The so called truths of the Bible have very obvious physical effects which should have been very evident. So miss me with that nonsense about religious truth BS.

Don't believe everything you read. There is always something more than meets the eye.

Nachmonides:
What would you consider valid evidence for the Bible’s truth. What is your criteria for truth?

External confirmation with hard evidence. Like evidence of a global catastrophic flood (which we don’t have) or repeatability of some miracle, like someone turning water to wine in a controlled setting (which I bet someone will say you can't test god). This is in general, all evidence must be evaluated on their own merits on a case by case basis.

GothamCities:
The verse is Micah 5:2:

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

The verse above clearly prophesies about the Messiah, Jesus Christ and clearly states that His going forth is from EVERLASTING. That is to say, He is from eternity past. He has no beginning. Some translations translated the word 'owlams' as ancient times instead of Everlasting. However, META AI clarifies that the term 'Ancient Times" as used by some translators shouldn't be seen as a time calculated within the time of earth but that it means that Christ had been existing before time was created. I have attached a screenshot from Meta AI for your perusal.

I have also attached a screenshot from the original Hebrew Interlinear rendering of the verse. The Hebrew word OWLAMS actually means Everlasting. Jesus is from Everlasting. From eternity past. He had no beginning. The only person who has no beginning is God. Hence if Both God and the Messiah have no beginning, then God is the one who manifested Himself as the Messiah. This will make you understand why Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am" - John 8:58.

No matter the scripture you may want to quote as a Jehovah Witness or as any other worshipper of some false gods, it does not negate the fact that Jesus was from Everlasting as stated in this scripture. Jesus is not Angel Michael. Jehovah Witnesses are peddlers of demonic doctrines. This verse further establishes the truth about the Trinity.

If you have not embraced Jesus, I admonish you to come to Jesus today. Do not listen to the lies of satan. Religion cannot save you. Only God can save you by Himself. And this God is He who manifested Himself to man through Jesus Christ the Savior. His hands are stretched forth today, "No one gets unto the Father except through Him" John 14:6. And be rest assured, anyone that comes to Him, He will in no wise cast out. John 6:37.

No one can save you from God's wrath which is coming upon this sinful world. Only God can, and He will do it through Jesus - the One who is from Everlasting to Everlasting.

LoLz. The storybook proves the storybook is true.

Dtruthspeaker:
Only because you are the one who kept switching the direction of the argument creating whatever hoop you think I could not go through.

I didn't create any loop or hoop for you, you did that all on your own doing your mental gymnastics.

Dtruthspeaker:
The inability to counter is proof you are the one being mad and unreasonably unreasonable.

There is nothing here to counter since you just tied yourself into a preztel doing mental gymnastics.

whytediamond:
Fool, you get money to buy car, but you no get money to full tank.

Guys, do not ever envy anyone driving a car. Some of them are not financially ok but want to keep up with societal validation.

A car is never an asset. It will leave you drained if you are not making at least 30k daily.

Unfortunately more than half of the car owners do not have that daily income hence, you see them in pains and borrowing on a low just to impress.

Stay woke my people. No let anybody pressure you.

So you are saying every car owner should have a monthly income of at least 900k. That is an unreasonable view. Economic realities of life mean that with our present capitalistic systems income disparity will continue to grow. The rich will get richer, the middle class will shrink to extinction and the poor will get poorer. In effect you are saying only the rich should have cars. In a place with poor public transportation that doesn't make sense.

Dtruthspeaker:
After I imply they have it citing the scarce examples of those who have acted in it, compared to the greater majority who behave as those who do not have it.

That clearly is not a mad analysis but a very reasonable one especially as you yourself used it to separate the woman you married and did not marry any woman your eyes saw.

The mental gymnastics on display here is testament to the madness inducing nature of it.

fergie001:
SOURCE

May the dead RIP. However, this sounds suspicious. How come only the man survived, he couldn't save even 1 child? That is mind boggling.

Dtruthspeaker:
If they want to meet it, we would see them trying to and maybe we can see if they have it .

At least, we see Mary and Elizabeth look like they had it at the beginning of their lives and for Mary it reached till pentecost day but we don't know about their end.

But so far, almost all of them are showing they love their "not God" side.

So nothing mad here

After you basically implied that they have it, now you turn round to claim they have it. Is this not madness in a small dose?

Dtruthspeaker:
Help me ask them oo. From the way they behave, if someone says they do not have, we can appreciate why they would say so.

So you expect them to meet your religious standards but you believe they don't have the "like god" side?

See why I say these things are madness inducing.

Dtruthspeaker:
The first woman did.

Do women now have this other side?

Dtruthspeaker:
The how is our other side that is not human but our 'like God " side.

Do women have this other side?

SIRTee15:
No U are the one who said believing Jesus never had sexual urge is madness.

Kindly quote where I said that.

SIRTee15:
So if he's not human how did he die?
Or you have joined the group who denied Jesus ever died?

It's ridiculous to think U need to be superhuman to have sexual control.
Paul the apostle never got married and encouraged others to do the same.
Jesus cousin, John the baptist was a celibate till death. In fact, he belonged to a group of judaism sect called Essenes who also embraced sexual purity, chastity and celibacy as a way of life.

Thousands of monks throughout history were known never to have any form of contact with women during their lifetime. Some never saw a woman with their eyes.

Only black Africans think U need spiritual deliverance to attain sexual discipline.

Direct your response to Steep not me.

Steep:
That is God's standard, sinless perfection because God is holy and will not accept anything short of that.

LoLz. You cannot meet the standard, you say as much.

Steep:
Jesus is a human but without the human moral short coming. He is human in the sense that he gets hungry, gets tired, sleep, feel thirst, speaks, talks and live as a human he is but with no moral failure at all.

These are your own words:

Steep:
Unlike us, Jesus is sinless, he didn't possess a human nature that has being tainted by sin. The human nature is a fallen nature from the Adam, so it craves sin but Jesus human nature is without sin, there is no man like him. All who put their faith in him will eventually become like him when he returns.

How can you ever meet such an impossible standard when by your own admission it is impossible?

Steep:
Unlike us, Jesus is sinless, he didn't possess a human nature that has being tainted by sin. The human nature is a fallen nature from the Adam, so it craves sin but Jesus human nature is without sin, there is no man like him. All who put their faith in him will eventually become like him when he returns.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

So basically he wasn't human? Yet you want to be like him? How will that work?

I think if you reason some of these religious teachings you'll see how utterly madness inducing they are.

Kobojunkie:
Why you folks listen to these bunch of crazy scammers is something I will probably never understand.

An SS-patient can marry however, it would be utterly wicked for an SS-patient...inhumane even...for an SS to consider having a baby knowing the chances exist for the baby to turn out SS at birth. That would definitely be an unimaginably cruel existence for any mother or father to punish her own flesh and blood with.

Only if they marry someone with AS.

Dtruthspeaker:
The word "Fallacy" is clear enough. fallacy Noun: 'a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid."

And I have already pointed out the failure of your reasoning which is why you are making all these mad noises.

And see how you are Lying openly like Satan. (Obviously, Satan has restarted his torment of jacking your strings)

In India, Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death.

In China, hell is
Diyu (traditional Chinese: 地獄; simplified Chinese: 地狱; pinyin: dìyù; lit. 'earth prison') is the realm of the dead or "hell" in Chinese

SO THEY KNOW ABOUT HELL! SO YOU ARE LYING

And knowing you are Lying you decided to speak like a mad person in talking left and right at the same time, saying one time "they never heard about it", only to immediately cancel it by saying "Even if they have".

Satan has obviously return to you and entered you so your Madness and Lyings have begun.

LoLz. Look at this stupíd arse. I said name the fallacy I made but you can't can you. You are too stupíd to know when to stop with your foolishness.

Because there is a Chinese word for hell means all Chinese people have heard of it shows the failure of your own reasoning. About half of the Chinese population is atheist so how will they hear of hell talk more of believing it exists? Sikhs in India don't believe in a hell so who is telling them about it?

Dumdum your argument is stupíd however you choose to look at it. Everybody has heard of Superman therefore Superman is real. There is a Chinese word for Superman (Chāorén) therefore all Chinese people have heard of Superman. Ain't you a special kinda stupíd.

The well acknowledged mad man here is you, your reputation proceeds you.