Kayouzka: Elastic? Where do they put space into? If it not made up of anything then why does it contain everything and why is everything made of space.
You see yourself infact you have accepted space is not a thing by saying it not made of anything
Yet atoms are made of 99% space Your car shoes clothe fridge are made of space that is why they can be measured.
Yet space is not made of anything?
Yes space is our world and our world is space
Everything you me and all is contained in space Yet this space has you have said is not made of anything.
Yet it dynamic Elastic?
Okay now what is an illusion?
An illusion is a misrepresentation of that which exist it is the opposite of reality.
We can know what illusion is if we can know what is real
The only thing real is the here and now
The only position that exist is here And the only moment that exist is now.
Therefore we all exist in a unified singularity called consciousness.
Therefore space which is the distance between object is defined with time.
If you look at an objects at a distance it took time for that object to travel to you, meaning you are only seeing the past not the "now" a mis representation (illusion), it no longer exists has it is but only has the past meaning you can't catch it it an illusion
If you think of an event it past or it hasn't happened yet. You cannot think the present. It not possible you can't catch the present.
Therefore the illusion is very strong 💪 It a continuum
Even Albert epstein, Neil boer, planck essenbourg theory of uncertainty quantum theory claim that it an illusion.
In the real world thought create reality so space and time doesn't exist. The instant you think you get instant manifestation, so you cant have space and time.
In this fake world thought has already been manifested into energy and matter (simulated or scripted) before we exist in it sotherefore our thought does not matter has a result space and time must exist.
You live in a dream wake up.
You are confusing the map for the place. We are using human language to describe a thing that is immaterial therefore we use descriptions of familiar experiences to aid our understanding. It is an unfortunate limitation with us and our languages.
Also you mistake the limitations of our human brains for an illusion of reality. It is our brains that is limited not the world us. That you cannot see all the breath of the electromagnetic spectrum doesn't make the world an illusion.
I have issued you a challenge, if you believe this world is an illusion then break it. I bet you all the money in the world that you can't. You are the one living in a dream, a dream where you think you know more than actually do but can't realise you are lost.
DeepSight: + Why must he land unhurt to prove it? Why exactly must be be unhurt if the program is so set already that such an action will result in you being hurt? With due respect sir, this particular argument of yours makes me wary because it strongly suggests to me that you are not prepared for the discussion.
+ It might be that I am also a dumdum like him.
However, rest assured, I will let you have all my thoughts in structured form. Some of the questions I am asking you are random. Don't presume too much from them.
I will, as is my wont, start from philosophy and certain historical pointers before I move to the science and I will urge you to take everything into consideration.
Have you seen how the illusion of the woman sawed in 2 works? Can you ever now believe she was in any danger? If you know this world is an illusion how can you ever be in any danger likewise?
You are not a dumdum because I know you have thought about these things unlike some of these clowns regurgitating nonsense.
Kayouzka: I will ask you just one question and if you cant get it, proving it not an illusion then you are the dumdum here. Here goes the questions...
If the world is not an illusion has you said
"Then what is space made of"
Atleast we all know that space is fundamental to our existence here. So without trying to explain space...we all know it is the distance between object.
Tell us what exactly the 'space' around us is made up of not what it contains but what is that which all is contained in
If you can answer correctly with sound undeniable proof I'll accept that I am the dumdum here.
It is not made of anything. it is a dynamic, elastic framework that is shaped by energy and matter, rather than a substance itself.
What has what space is got to do with our world being an illusion?
DeepSight: + Nope, that assumption doesn't factor. That's like saying another game player is not experiencing his immediate game environment without you.
Small question, have you heard of the Mandela Effect?
I'll be surprised if we haven't discussed Mandela Effect before. Yes I have looked into it and it is not that deep. People misremember things all the time. We barely even remember the sequence of clothes we wore last week.
DeepSight: + Nope, that assumption doesn't factor. That's like saying another game player is not experiencing his immediate game environment without you.
Small question, have you heard of the Mandela Effect?
It is still a solipsism trap because you are saying if one player is in one room and the other player is in a different room then the rooms they are respectively not in do not render for them. It is patently absurd. We learn object permanence before we are out of kindergarten. I can't believe any grown up will use this as a point in a debate. C'mon man.
To disprove the illusory nature of the world, once a person experiences cause and effect that's it?
There is cause and effect even in video games for heavens sake!
Yup. We need just one person to break the illusion. Jumping down a 16 storey building with no safety device and landing unhurt will totally show us the illusory nature of this world.
But I betting neither you or the dumdum who brought this up have any way to demonstrate that this is the case. If you are a betting man we can put a million bucks on it. You have no way of showing objectively that this world is any illusion, prove me wrong.
DeepSight: + Are you aware of the video game angle which argues that our reality is only spawned as observed. In other words, in a video game, the next room only spawns when you open it.
I see those as solipsistic traps because you are assuming the other humans are not experiencing their own environments without you.
When you play gta isn't the character limited to the game?
My physical body is limited to the illusion but my higher body is not
If I fall from a 16 story building my soul would work out of my body unscathed And I would still be conscious because consciousness never dies
Rather it reveals how shallow you are. In a videogame all characters and npcs can be reset and can be brought back. Increase your depth of thinking, you are still in the kiddie pool.
DeepSight: + I only gave you this clip to save your time. Do you want the full video? And then YOU listen properly.
You can do that but it won't change it. Dr James used equations that were made by humans. I found an elaboration of the method he used and some interesting comments. The last one is just like this discussion I am having with you.
DeepSight: + I did. It's completely misplaced. Completely. Also those behind it are either not wearing their thinking caps or what they are saying is simply different from what I am telling you.
LoLz. Please provide a peer review science paper that says double slit experiment is affected by human consciousness. I am waiting (but not holding my breath).
DeepSight: + You are wildly wrong in this matter and I repeat, no human can ever calculate the level of kind of energy involved outta simulation.
But you cannot provide me with any evidence that the calculations are wrong or that such energy production is possible or even provide any idea of the amount of energy required. At this point you are on trust me bro level. LoLz.
DeepSight: + Are you sure you really know this experiment and all the stages it went through from Inception? Because if you did, you would not say this, because there was observation by humans as well and when that was surprising in terms of the results they started trying other forms of indirect observation.
DeepSight: + It shows that observation tends to change outcomes, how does that have nothing to do with consciousness? Are you saying observation has nothing to do with consciousness?
The observation is not by conscious humans directly. They use detectors which collapse the wave nature of the electrons. It has nothing to do with consciousness. The reason the observation causes it is because the electrons receive energy from the detector not because there is a human being looking at it.
DeepSight: + No you are not getting it. It is impossible for any being within a simulation to calculate the level of the energy required for that simulation, much less even know the kind of energy. This I assert with finality.
Secondly it really made me smile that you say not even the energy of the big bang is enough. You gatta be kidding me.
DeepSight: + Here - had to get Gemini to dig ot up for me as I recall watching this discussion -
Gemini said The expert you are thinking of is Dr. James (Jim) Sylvester Gates Jr., a theoretical physicist who specializes in supersymmetry and superstring theory.
The moment you're describing occurred during the 2016 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate, hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson at the American Museum of Natural History. The topic of the panel was "Is the Universe a Simulation?"
The "Binary Code" Discovery
While studying Adinkras (graphical representations of supersymmetric mathematical formulas), Dr. Gates discovered something startling. Deep within the equations that describe the fundamental particles of our universe, he found sequences of doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block codes.
What that actually means: These aren't just random numbers; they are a specific type of mathematical structure used in computer science to ensure information is transmitted correctly without being corrupted by "noise."
The Connection: Specifically, these codes (known as Hamming Codes) are the exact same type used by modern web browsers to correct errors during data transmission.
The Implication: Gates famously remarked that finding these codes in the fabric of space-time was "mind-blowing" because it suggests that the "operating system" of our reality might share the same structural logic as human-designed computer software. ----- + LordReed, please see the less than three minute clip here which highlights the key point - The discussants, as you know are famous and very serious scientists.
You can google the entire discussion and you will quickly find that you should drop the mocking word "magic" and approach this discussion with a little more openness, and dare I say, respect for what is being proposed.
Dude listen again to Dr James from 1:28. He says in response to Tyson's question: "Into the equations that we want to use to describe the cosmos." This is not an admission the matter is made up of code. He saying the equations that were used to decribe the cosmos has those codes. Listen properly and don't jump to unfounded conclusions.
DeepSight: + There is not one single human being who can make such a supposition. Not one. No human being can either determine what level of energy it will take to simulate this reality nor ever imagine what kind of energy powers it from without.
Not one. Never. That is an absurdity of the highest proportions and will necessarily entail assumptions that the simulators outside this reality are working with similar levels of understanding and technology which we have within the simulation.
So it you who has a problem with inference. These are things that were infered and calculated but you dismiss it. It isn't even that hard an inference to make and the subsequent calculation would just be elaborate not difficult.
DeepSight: + That is not magic, there is science to the power of consciousness. Surely you have heard of the double slit experiment which shows the effect of observation on outcomes?
The outcomes of the double slit experiment have nothing to do with consciousness. Look it up.
Kayouzka: This simulation is simply powered by consciousness Consciousness is the magic Nothing can create consciousness rather consciousness creates everything The simulation was only quantized therefore it seemed to have finite mass and energy
LoLz. I am glad you acknowledged that it is has to be by magic.
DeepSight: + I did mention that such things as dark matter and dark energy were first deduced by logic. Are you seriously asking for recorded evidence such as photographs of that which I say is outside this reality?
At all events and as for math, there is evidence that matter is code.
Not just by logic there were mathematical calculations backing the inference.
You the one positing such a possibility so it is up to you to produce the evidence for it. I am NOT saying it HAS to be photographic. It has to be verifiable is all I require.
Still waiting for the evidence that matter is code.
DeepSight: + I am surprised that you will compare energy supposedly within to what we are saying about causal energy without. This is like comparing the energy of a nuclear plant to the energy of the big bang.
Not even the energy of the big bang would be sufficient to power such a simulation. You don't understand the magnitude of energy required. From what I heard about the calculation just to simulate sub atomic particles at the level of fidelity our reality has will require all the energy of the universe. These are such astronomical energy requirements which is why I keep saying you will have to pivot to magic to explain how our reality is a simulation.
DeepSight: + Then there is a problem here. Because you will be asking me to physically show you something outside of this our reality. I should go fetch it and bring it to you. Be reasonable: you and I know that many elements that we know exists even in the universe were first known by logical inferences - such as dark matter and dark energy, etc.
If the word "inference" is your difficulty (and I am surprised that it should be), would it suffice to say by logic?
Please remember that even with something like gravity we started from elementary reasoning such as asking why everything falls down, such as an apple from a tree, a thought which is said to have crossed the mind of one of the greatest thinkers in history, Alhaji Newton.
I would like to ask what evidence in this matter of simulation will look like to you. There is evidence that matter consists of codes you know.
Nope that is nott what I am asking for. There are ways to present evidence that don't require you to go physically fetch them. Here are some: recorded observations using instruments, mathematical equations that can lead to a discovery, photographic evidence, etc. I would accept any verifiable evidence you present.
Again inference is not a difficulty and pointed out why.
Newton worked out the mathematical equations can you present any such for your argument? I am not even saying it has to be you doing the equations, just present them from a verifiable source.
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