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Glimpsetv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUgj0mvMSo?si=ypUD2u1YJepq1vNc

Christians and making the most mundane things into a circus. SMH.

MaxInDHouse:
You are an atheist and humility makes no sense to you, i remember you asking me to help you become a member of the Governing Body which means you are not humble in anyway.
So if DeepSight claim to be humble that shows he still has a soft spot for the existence of God unlike you.
Let him face me and prove how humble he truly is after all i've used the Oxford dictionary to defined the word HUMBLE so watch and see what it means to be humble.

LoLz. You've started again. Where did I ask you to help me become a member of the Governing Body?

It is you who mentioned DeepSight so I dunno you are trying to make it seem like I am stopping you from having a conversation with him. If you want to have a convoy with him do that and stop all this your comedy, it is getting stale. Bwahahahahahaha.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no reason to engage me if you already know i won't accept what you say so you purposely engaged me with the fear that i may win DeepSight over that's the truth!

Keep playing that comedic track. LoLz.

MaxInDHouse:
I know that you purposely engaged me out of fear that i may win DeepSight over with reasoning so if you deny it's OK but that's the truth.

Keep consoling yourself with this comedic track. LoLz.

Your point right from the beginning is to deny evidences pointing to the existence of God so there's nothing unique.

You didn't produce evidence of anything so I dunno what you are on about.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows your intentions and i love that even though i've told you several times that we fight for the faith in a diplomatic way you have come to challenge true faith because you thought i'm trying to steal away DeepSight from what you want him to be.

Bwahahahahahaha! What a comedic statement. DeepSight that has been longer in this than me. You're a jester.

Well there has never ever been anyone since i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses who have proved to be a real worshiper of the Bible God outside that organization because the identification of those serving that God is clear if you truly want to know them! Matthew 7:15-20

Thank you for proving my point.

So you expect worshipers of Mammon {Matthew 6:24} to come out openly and tell the you that they are not worshiping the Bible God?
Come on my friend there is nothing bad in being rich materially but going by the information we get through studying the Bible material possessions has nothing to do with being a successful worshiper of the Bible God.
There are many people having His approval as they were declared righteous by this God yet they don't have material things.
Jesus is the most important servant of this God yet Jesus had nothing materially speaking! Luke 9:58

LoLz. Thank you again for proving my point.

Image123:
Remember those four fingers always.

Take your own advice always.

MaxInDHouse:
You can choose whatever you like but the truth won't move an inch.

Whenever you want to argue remember that the main reason why right thinking people argue is not just for fun but to get matters straight.

So interpretation is not for arguments sake rather for the benefit of all involved that is why i asked you if those people you want to equate their interpretation to mine have produced expected fruit as foretold in the Bible? Matthew 7:16-18

Have you ever agreed that some other interpretation was right even when yours proves to be offpoint? I doubt it. Why? Because you believe in what you want to believe not because you actually want to find truth.

Go ask all those preachers riding in private jets whether they are experiencing the god's success.

Image123:
That's life basically; it doesn't stop or negate the point.

You don't have a point then because that is exactly what you were pretending to argue against.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible God success is not about material possessions Jesus is the most successful worshiper of God yet he doesn't have anything materially speaking so if you are confused due to what false religionists told you now is the time to have a rethink!

That's your interpretation and I hold your interpretation in as much "esteem" as all the others.

Image123:
Lolz, it's not "ambiguous" in weighty matters, only that people like to believe what they want just like you. That's life basically, people see the same thing differently from different perspectives.

Four fingers are pointing back at you. Is your interpretation of the Bible the only one that exists? No so you are believing what you want.

MaxInDHouse:
What does the Bible God call success?

The Bible god doesn't say anything. It is you believers who talk for the god and you say whatever you like.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows that you don't know what success really means to God but i will teach you.
Are they organized in the preaching and teaching about the Kingdom of God? Matthew 28:19-20
Do they have love among themselves as foretold by Jesus as the mark of success among his true disciples? John 13:34-35
Do they speak in harmony evidence that they have the same line of thought? John 17:22
Are they blameless when it comes to worldly politics {John 17:14-16} which leads people into hating and killing their fellow worshipers? Revelations 6:3-4

You need to know what God counts as SUCCESS before saying they are successful!

Neither do you. Anybody can say the god said anything they like and have followers and prosper. You don't hold the monopoly on that.

MaxInDHouse:
Where are those saying that about the Bible?
You need to start thinking intelligently.

Imagine five different students pick up a textbook without assembling in a class before a qualified teacher do you think they will all arrive at the same understanding of what is written in the textbook?

Come on my guy a wise person won't just discard the textbook due to the way those students interpreted it differently contradicting themselves rather a wise person will ask them to put whatever they interpreted into practice because it's the one who is able to produce the expected end result that proved he or she truly understood what he read! Matthew 7:16-18

Unfortunately for you textbooks are standardised, no student can succeed in continuing to apply the wrong conclusions. Not so for the Bible. Every Tom and Harry can apply whatever interpretation they like and succeed at it.

Where are they? They are right here on Nairaland. Search for flat earth and you’ll see them.

DeepSight:
Like the prophecies of Nostradamus.

Exactly!

SeraphicWind:
Growing up many many years ago in Nigeria, I insulted the hell out of Oyedepo. I will not lie. I was quite young and naive then.

My favourite name for him back then was OLE-DEPO (GOD Forgive me though)

There was even some tribalism to it because I was worried as why a YORUBA MAN will be making that much money in Igboland through DECEPTION.

I will go online back then and query why normal human beings will give a percentage of their salary to someone who was doing far better than most of them.

I saw them as mad or mentally unstable people.

I was very young and naive. Quite understandably.

But here is the mystery.

I have grown up, travelled out of the country and settled down to a very good life.

Every month though, I change a part of my small salary and send to the Church of David Oyedepo. A sizeable amount of my small money for his mission works. Without him asking me for a dime.

Same thing I fought against vehemently both online and offline.

I have not met him before. I have not attended his church before.

I am not under any mental, spiritual or emotional manipulation. Trust me on this.

Who can explain this?

What happened to me?

There is no mystery.

SeraphicWind:
Oyedepo is a great man of God. 20 years ago, I was a heavy critic of this man. I called him so many names and insulted him.

I have travelled outside the country. I willing pay tithe to him without coercion. I will continue to support his ministry in my little capacity.

It was Oyedepo that opened my eyes to the fact that the FORCES OF DARKNESS is real.

Right here on this earth, many are in the region of DARK SOULS far from the light.

It is true.

I dunno what this thread was even out to achieve.

SeraphicWind:
Oyedepo is a great man of God. 20 years ago, I was a heavy critic of this man. I called him so many names and insulted him.

I have travelled outside the country. I willing pay tithe to him without coercion. I will continue to support his ministry in my little capacity.

It was Oyedepo that opened my eyes to the fact that the FORCES OF DARKNESS is real.

Right here on this earth, many are in the region of DARK SOULS far from the light.

It is true.

LoLz. So where is the mystery you were claiming? Is it not now clear that you have bought into the whole kit and caboodle?

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah wrote the book bearing his name in the year 732 BC
So God has inspired him before anyone and what about gravity that's hanging the earth upon nothing as written by Moses around 1657 BC?
Or has that also been known before it was revealed to Moses?

The same passages that are used by flat earthers as proof that the Earth is flat. That is the thing with the Bible, it is ambiguous enough to make it say anything you want.

igatit:
https://nairametrics.com/2025/08/21/fccpcs-new-rule-on-loan-app-interest-rates-unsettles-nigerias-digital-lenders/

This is a very welcome development. Unchecked loan sharks are a problem to any society much less one like ours that sorely needs leadership oversight.

DeepSight:
I used to call myself deist ("a rational and intuitive deist" were my specific words, lol) in my early Nairaland days. I have since tired of all labels especially as this thing we call reality is just an utter enigma. I can no longer specifically tell if even the deist god I evisioned back then exists. At a philosophical level, I still grapple with existential thoughts everyday and remain very humble and teachable in this regard.

Good to know I was on the right track. I appreciate your willingness to engage and not be dogmatic.

DeepSight:
Let me hear you well. You are saying that -

1. When one says that a thing cannot expand if there is no space to expand into - that is speculation?

2. That events can occur outside a timeline?

I was referring to dark matter. As for the starting conditions we have no evidence beyond the breakdown of all the physical laws as we know them as we extrapolate mathematically to that start point. To form any kind of coherent framework for that requires what we don't currently have.

To answer your questions:

1. Let's put it like this: If the universe is all there is then it makes sense that it is just expanding, not expanding into something because then that something it is expanding into will also have to be considered part of the universe. So you either need to retool what you mean by universe or explain how the universe exists as separate from what it is supposedly expanding into.

2. As far as I know spacetime is a concept to explain how some unintuitive things occur and all action began with the birth of spacetime. If that is the case, then there is no way to coherently express action before there was a spacetime for the action to occur in. This is a limitation on our understanding because obviously the universe is here so there was an occurrence, but we have no way to coherently express what it could have been.

DeepSight:
You have to work with what we have. To assume into the equation a larger-verse than that is not only unnecessary but will frankly fall into my hands and work towards my argument that there must be space into which this universe is expanding.

Yes indeed we should work with we have and what we have is zero knowledge of the conditions preceding that local presentation. All we know is something has always existed.

Of course no one knows and I have never pretended to. However logical inferences needn't be proscribed - as I said to thehomer, while we dont know what dark matter consists of, we have since inferred the existence of dark matter.

We inferred it by the evidence not mere speculation.

This is a huge cop out common among scientists trying force a strict materialist orthodoxy down our throats. It makes sense to ask the question because the initial expansion was an event and an event can only occur in a timeline.

Again it is what the evidence sugggests. If you dispute it then let's see your own evidence to the contrary.

I am not jumping. I do not jump. Its a step by step process of reasoning and it takes patience, intellectual honesty and the willingness to admit it when one runs into indecipherable log-jams - which I have often and still do run into.

But you are. You've made a leap from exactly zero knowledge and zero evidence to certainty.

We all must be humble in this matter.

The one who says I don't know but I am open to learning is the humble one.

Nnamdipapa:
At the end, he will need to take from the Bible to justify the eternal and self-exitent attributes of his European god because I have never seen logic justifying such attributes.

Naa, DeepSight is not a Bible thumper. I would say he is a deist but I dunno if he uses that label for himself.

DeepSight:
It is not fallacious in the least.

Lets start slowly.

1. If we agree that everything that begins to exist must have a cause, then the universe must have a cause.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. The universe had a cause.

4. If there is an infinite regress of causes, nothing could possibly exist.

The above premises are the first steps in the proper thought development. I urge you to note particularly the words I have put in bold. They are critical and cardinal.

When we are able to move past these premises, I will suggest two factors or elements which are necessarily self-existent and uncreated.
These will include eternal time and infinite space.

The local presentation of this universe had a beginning, we don't know what was before that presentation started or if it even makes sense to ask the question. To now jump from that to therefore there is an eternal, self existent and uncreated thing that created the universe is such a leap it requires a faster than light speed jump to make

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂 Lovely, my frenemy🤣 has done it again. You always make me laugh, I respect our interactions. I see from your perspective, even beyond what your brain can put into words, but I have ’extra’—I have God's own as well😁👌 . That's the difference between us!

You have extra imagination to dream up spiritual stores of snow and hail. LoLz.

A full grown adult will believe this kind of twaddle. I guess it is the cognitive dissonance at work.

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂 You are a 🤡.

See they have started arriving. Mr Spiritual store of snow and hail. Bwahahahahahaha.

What is the difference between the Santa Claus North Pole and your spiritual store of snow? Joker.

Islie:
https://guardian.ng/business-services/otedola-how-my-fathers-250000-loan-changed-my-life/#google_vignette

Nothing surprising. It would have been surprising if after all his father's money he didn't become rich himself.

Nnamdipapa:
1. BOTH ARE INVISIBLE CHARACTERS.
Kids never actually see Santa; they believe because adults told them. Christians never actually see God; they believe because adults, parents, and pastors told them to.

2. BOTH HAVE MAGIC POWERS
Santa can fly around in one night
God can hear everyone's prayers at the same time. No proof or witnesses, just belief.

3. BOTH OPERATE ON THE WISH LIST SYSTEM.
Kids write letters to Santa to ask him for toys
Christians pray to god to ask him for blessings
Same concept, if you've been good, you get what you asked for

4. THE NAUGHTY OR NICE LISTS

Santa rewards good kids and skips bad kids, God blesses the righteous and punishes the sinners. Both use fear and reward to control behaviour.

5. THE STORY IS REPEATED EVERY YEAR
Santa's story gets told every Christmas season to keep kids believing. God's story gets told every Sunday in church to keep Christians believing.

6. BOTH RELY ON TRADITIONS NOT PROOFS.
Kids believe in Santa because that's what my parents said. Christians believe in God because that's what my parents and pastor said.

7. EVIDENCE DISSAPPEARS WHEN YOU GROW UP
Kids eventually realize that Santa was never real, the gifts came from parents, and not Santa. Christians rarely realize that God was never answering; the blessings came from people and life.

8. THEY BOTH SEE YOU WHEN YOU ARE SLIPPING
Santa knows if you have been bad or good. God knows your every thought and action, creepy surveillance packaged as love.

9. BOTH ARE PART OF A BIGGER INDUSTRY
Santa fills the holiday economy. God fills the church economy, and Billions flow every year from beliefs alone.

10. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE
Kids eventually grow out of SantaClaus. Christians are told never to grow out of God because one is seen as a childish fantasy, the other a holy faith.

Final thoughts, whether it is God or Santa Claus, both are characters you were told to believe in without evidence, rewarded for faith, and warned of punishments if you doubt. The only difference is that you grow out of Santa Claus, and many never grow out of God.

I can already feel the incoming cognitive dissonance.

alphonsojaybaz:
Dangote, as Richest Man in Africa, is a Disappointment to Nigeria – Pastor Odumeje

Popular clergyman, Prophet Odumeje, has criticized Africa’s richest man, Aliko Dangote, claiming that his wealth and investments have brought little benefit to the average Nigerian. Eyes Of Lagos reports,

Speaking during a recent church service, Odumeje lamented that despite Nigerians being major consumers of Dangote’s products, they have yet to feel any significant impact from his wealth or projects.

He particularly referenced the Dangote Refinery, questioning its contribution to reducing fuel prices in the country.

“That’s why I tell Dan Gote, come and see me. If you do not come and see me, your refinery… I ask God, what is the problem? Because he has never done anything for the entire Nigeria that is consuming all his products. For him to be answering the richest man in Africa is a disappointment to Nigeria. So that man do not fit that man. Let him show me what they have done for Nigeria. Even that refinery, did he make the fuel come down? As the richest man in Africa, he made that refinery even increase the fuel more. That is the anger of God. He tell me, if it did not come down, then I would tell him, God is not happy with you.”

Odumeje insisted that true wealth should be measured by how much it eases the burdens of the people, not just the accumulation of riches.

https://eyesoflagos.com/dangote-as-richest-man-in-africa-is-a-disappointment-to-nigeria-pastor-odumeje/

cc: Mynd44 , Nlfpmod , Seun

We know who the disappointment here is and it is not Dangote.

SatoshiX:
Interesting. Can you also tell us the implications of your agege son on the moral compass of the nation you're desperate to lead?
As a staunch catholic, do you support same sex marriage? You have only one son that seems to be going wayward towards the rainbow side, aren't you supposed to be more concerned about that? Don't you want to preserve your lineage by having a grandchildren that will continue the Obi's name?

How does being gay stop someone from having a child? Are you that ignorant?

Islie:
Visa: ‘It’s Tit-for-Tat’, Nigeria To Demand Social Media Disclosure From American Applicants





https://leadership.ng/visa-its-tit-for-tat-nigeria-to-demand-social-media-disclosure-from-american-applicants/

If I were the FG, I would ignore such petty reciprocal gestures. The real loser will be the country who through restrictions and tariffs begins to lose revenue.

Gabrielshow24:
I just came online to see you talking trash about my God 🤨. My God knows all things. There are both physical perspectives and spiritual perspectives. Obviously, if you had lent yourself a bit of wisdom, you would have realized that my God reveals hidden spiritual mysteries concerning 'hail' and 'snow.'

Physically, they recur; spiritually, they are stored. Any problem with that? 🤨

LoLz. The mods or automod doesn't want me to properly respond to this bucket of duplicitous claptrap. 3 responses blocked for what I don’t even know.