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Penguin2:
Ordinarily I would leave you to suit yourself but I will never allow you twist the clear provision of the constitution in order to prepare a soft ground for a kangaroo judgment.

Look at that subsection D very well.

After the reference to a court in Nigeria, it went to state other possible fines that could be instituted by “any court or tribunal”. English no suppose hard na.

Again, I thought you said it had 10 years expiry date? Can you see it?

U go dey alright las las

It is the same thing.a sentence anywhere in the world and sentence is conviction.where is the conviction?

HIGHESTPOPORI:
Substract from where when Inec uploaded blank results containing 2.5m votes

Obi failed to prove that those figures in the blank sheets belonged to him.moreovet,they were not blank but blurry.let him compare it with physical copies

Spy360:
🤡

😂😂😂

Am just stating incase the awolowo saga comes up

9jaRealist:
It most certainly does NOT..

An elementary rule of legal interpretation is that the more things are specifically provided for or spelt out in a statute, the more it is assumed that those things not specifically so provided are excluded or otherwise NOT covered. Accordingly, while in Section D, the statute specifically provides that the extant death sentence must have been imposed by “any competent court or tribunal in Nigeria” but only provides that fines must be imposed by just “any competent court or tribunal” without including the qualifier “in Nigeria” signifies that there is NO geographical or national restrictions with respect to the latter.
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I can agree but you will also agree that the constitution is talking about conviction clearly.it states sentence of fraud,dishonesty or fine and sentences are from conviction and there was no conviction

HIGHESTPOPORI:
But Tinubu lost Rivers and Benue which made him won just 10 states and Obi 14 States,so how did Tinubu get the highest votes when Inec uploaded blank results

When you subtract rivers and benue,he still leads

Penguin2:
Look again…

Can you see “any court”?

Of law or tribunal in Nigeria and all the sentences equals conviction

Penguin2:
Go back and read that subsection D. This time read it to the end.

How many “OR” can you see? Did you see “any court”?

You can’t read the constitution in piecemeal just to extract the narrative you think suits you.

And whatever is provided for subsection E cannot apply to Subsection D. These subsections are independent and of equal weight.

A court in Nigeria qualifies section D.the sentence must be conviction or something equivalent involving fraud or dishonesty.it says death sentence or imprisonment or sentence of fine which means conviction because when you are convicted,you must be imprisoned or alternatively fined.there is no such thing against tinubu

Brendaniel:
The one INEC wrote not the ones cast...

What inec declares stands until proven otherwise

Brendaniel:
That means Peter Obi and Atiku also met 25% of 2/3 of the total votes in each of the 36 states of Nigeria, this people want to turn the law upside down, the more they try the more they get trapped....

Unfortunately tinubu had the highest votes

kk2027:
They keep trying to twist this lol

Tinubu is the only "president" that has failed to score 25% in Abuja

He also lost in his home state Osun and he equally lost in the Lagos he claimed he built

How exactly did Tinubu win?
He miraculously won in his opponents strongholds

What a miracle

Two third of Abuja is 300k.25% is 75k and tinubu had 90k

DesChyko:
Noted 😁👍

Rest then.give up

Kukutente23:
Obi and Atiku have a case and it's in court. It is you nairaland judge that's running wild.
Face the 8 years alone oga. What you don't know is there are folks who don't pay for fuel no matter how costly.

True.it is a faceless forum and we don't know who is who

Kukutente23:
Rest. Let the court rule

If you had rested,I won't bother myself

Kukutente23:
Benefit of doubt that what? That he was into drugs? Even he knows he's not clean in that regard. Even his supporters know.
Regarding his performance, well he's already showing you the whole Lagos hype was a farce. When is the ministerial list going to come out?

Let us give him four years and them review him.obi failed woefully in anambra

DesChyko:
Obi presented what INEC has in court?

In the past, you've claimed to follow a long list of election tribunal cases. I'm being led to believe you may be muddling them up and confusing one for the other.

Obi has failed sir

GoodGovernance:
Trading in narcotics involves a lot of dishonesty and fraudulent disclosure.

You cannot successfully trade in narcotics without dishonesty or fraud.

When you conceal and do not disclose what you are carrying across the borders,you are both dishonest and fraudulent.

Fraud has a very wide meaning an it includes embezzlement,concealment,illegal business etched

It is not within Nigeria

Kukutente23:
What is this person saying? How do you know I supported atiku or obi? You're just allowing your emotions to get the better of you.

Let us give tinubu the benefit of doubt

Kukutente23:
This is the first order which I told you was temporary. Why do you keep jumping up and down. Can't you see the judge clearly said the funds should be held by the bank pending the final judgement?
It was the bank who informed Tinubu of the forfeiture being that the order was given against the bank as you can see in your snapshot. Tinubu was in Nigeria then, not US. Learn to read and understand. Since you claim the settlement was out of court, based on your snapshot, what then is the final judgement of the court?
Won't Tinubu rule you for 8 years as well? Why are you APC dunderheads so daft like this? You keep mouthing this rubbish as if Tinubu is president of those who voted Obi or Atiku alone. How much are you buying fuel now? The 1k you used to beg for can't even buy you 2 litres anymore. So much for mockery.

At least,we are in agreement that both obi and atiku have no case.forget the court matter,let us face the 8 years rule for better for worse.but if he fails to perform well by 2027,we can try someone else.shikena

GreatBoss:
Ijaws are more than Itsekiri in Warri North.
This is marginalization.
4 Wards to 6 Wards.
Itsekiri can't even full one Local Government of their own.



As for Warri South West Ijaw double Itsekiri in number.


@General Ditari.

You lie.itsekiris have 6 wards in warri SW just as warri north lga

BluntCrazeMan:
And??



Does that shift me?
Or make me better or worse?

Tinubu will make things better

Isokotolopia:
You will just be quoting yeye data, how Ijaw take double the Number for Warri South

Ijaws are not even indigenes of warri south

BluntCrazeMan:
Someone brought in a faulty analogy,, and I straightened the analogy for him..


How does Obi and Atiku come in??

Get it now that obi will lose

Kukutente23:
Tafa as IG was acting for himself as the top cop of the country based on claims by legal luminary Gani who believed Tinubu to be a hardened criminal. The FBI attaché did not lie. He was speaking based on available records he had. I hope you know an attaché is a junior officer.
It's not by force for Obi to rule. He clearly said it that he's not desperate to rule unlike a man who said emilokan and it's my lifelong ambition.
Do you see me agitated? You quoted me first. Learn to rest yourself. No one asked you to carry Tinubu's matter on your head or are you related to him?

Thank Goodness you know obi will not win.but you supported atiku,why shamelessly latch on to obi that you never gave any chance? Anyway,that is how atiku flirts politically

BluntCrazeMan:
N30m was found in your account, and you were ordered to forfeit N28m..
(And you were accused that the money came into your account through corrupt means)

If that money was truly legit as against the allegation,, would you just forfeit such huge amount of money and go.??

How does this help obi and atiku case

Kukutente23:
You're coming around to telling the truth though there are still snippet of lies as is usual with an APC rat.
Phase1 Shephard filed the motion for 1m forfeiture based on IRS investigation by Agent Moss.
Phase 2 Moss couldn't have filed a motion because he's not an attorney. He was an investigator. He testified against Tinubu. The FBI briefs later showed that the referees for the accounts were indicted for drugs which led Moss to believe the reason why tinubu failed to file tax returns for those accounts was because the were proceeds for the traffickers. He interviewed Mobil who said tinubu was just a junior levering staff on a 2400 salary a month and couldn't have had millions of dollars from his legit earnings. This falsifies the claim tinubu made in an interview with TheNews that he was already a millionaire in dollars while working for Mobil. Mind you, in that interview, he claimed he never worked in Mobil USA but UK.
Phase 3 Judge Nordberg never said anything about ex parte order as you claimed. Tinubu was simply informed of the forfeiture by his banks after which he claimed two of those three accounts contained funds kept in trust for his mum and uncle.
Phase 4 No out of court settlement anywhere. Since Tinubu couldn't explain the source of funds of the third account, which is the one Agbele and Adegboyega helped him to open, the judge ordered the funds be forfeited and the judgment entered as final settlement in the matter without any indemnity on future claims concerning the funds. Note that tinubu did not go to the US to claim the funds physically. He only hired a lawyer on his behalf. So i guess, the US authorities thought it will be a waste of time trying to get him to the US without strong evidence linking him to narcotics beyond housing funds. Thus, the decided to take the money and die the matter.
So your claim like tinubu sat down to negotiate settlement with IRS is a big lie.

In summary,obi and atiku are wasting their time reminiscent of pdp and obi bush rats.this prayer is dismissed.tinubj will rule you 8 years.below is the screenshot of the judge order mentioning exparte motion

DesChyko:
No. Those are top copies. Any paper they appear on is a hardcopy. In fact, any paper on which something is printed on is a hardcopy. That's basic English.

INEC don't have the top copies, that's why they failed to provide them even when subpoenaed to do so.
And the Electoral Act 2022 approves the use of iREV copies in case of any contention.

Inec has the top copies,obi presented them in court but failed to lead them in evidence or demonstart them or identify discrepancies there.irev copies must be compared with other copies in times of contention.during cross examination of prof ofoedu,inec compared a top copy with irev and irev was not blurred and had more authentic info

Deogratiasfx:
Who is this one?

Down Pandora

DesChyko:
I can see you are allergic to growth mentality. How can I have given you the legal definition of hardcopy and you're still waving the wrong instance all over this place??

Do you have a problem with learning?? I have repeatedly asked for a legal interpretation with citation for this misinformed meaning of hardcopy you keep using; you've provided none.

Obi doesn't have a concrete case sir.the hardcopies are the paper directly entered to at the polling units.in it's absence,we use irev but comparison must be made.obi failed to compare his blurred results

Kukutente23:
It was not stated in the court records available, which is why the FBI is being asked to release the records with them which they have refused till now

Obi and atiku have no case just speculations

Kukutente23:
And I'm educating you that's the final order with no indemnity. Go and read the court records. You're arguing about what you don't know or haven't read and understood. The judgement which Obi and Atiku is referring to is for the$460k while the first one you're referring to was over over 1m.
Go and verify

There was no judgement,there are four phases
Phase one,us attorney Michael j Shepard filed a complaint motion for for forteiture pending procedures.
Phase two,us internal revenue agent Kevin moss also filed a motion for seizure pending court proceedings based on his investigation.he confirmed that tinubu worked with Mobil and Deloitte
Phase three,judge nordberh clearly identified that it was an exparte motion brought to it by the us attorney and gave the temporary order pending when all parties are served.
Phase four,an out of court settlement supervised by the court or compromise agreement was reached where two accounts were unfrozen and one was forfeited which amounted to 460k via civil forfeiture.the judge merely supervised and formalised it,it was not a judgment or sentence or fine.no guilty charge was found.it was just a court supervised agreement akin to a property or marriage case.obi and atiku as usual wasted their time on this

joseph032:
PDP had more than 20K vote in Jalingo. That's more than 30%

Baba rest

The constitution clearly said a governor will have spread in two third of lgas.state capitals were never included.it is over for obi

Kukutente23:
You're confusing the two. There was a first order to close the three accounts linked to Tinubu with citibank, heritage trust and one other bank. That was the order you're referring to as temporary for not filing tax returns on then. It was after Tinubu showed up to make claims that the issue of drugs came up through IRS agent Kevin Moss. It was at that point that the judgement by the 9th Circuit court of illinois was entered to release the other accounts after he was able to prove he held those other monies in trust for his mother and uncle, while that of heritage was forfeited since it was established that Agbele and Adegboyega, who were both in jail for narcotics trafficking made transfers to, and were actually the referees when he opened the account.
Go back and read the court documents.

You are going far.obi and atiku are challenging based on that 460,000 dollars forfeiture.they are claiming it is a sentence or fine,they are not talking about the aftermath,they are limiting themselves to that forfeiture entered by the judge and I am also talking based on that that it wasn't a judgment nor a sentence or fine but a temporary order