₦airaland Forum

Penguin2:
Lol!

You block your brains from objectivity with tribalism which ends up distorting your cognition and reasoning.

Look at Section 137, subsection (d) of the 1999 constitution below. Did you see any mention of 10 years there?

Una go dey alright las las.

Was it in Nigeria? Was it a sentence? A sentence comes when you are found guilty

Penguin2:
Was he fined or not?

There was no fine

joseph032:
CJN of Nigeria i Greet You Sir.

MUMU...Lol

Let the Court decide

They will but their body language already shows where they will decide

joseph032:
The president can't rule from anywhere. Must be from Aso rock. You can't have Federal power and State Power on same boat.

Governor 25% in State Capital. ... Now you are making a point.....Fact Check

Have any Governor Getten Below 25% and Win that State. NEVER.
IF you See any State let me Know

Oga, requirements or criteria for governor's and presidents are always the same.reaf the constitution very well.if a president is to get 25% in fct,govs too will need to get in capitals.the taraba state gov failed to get 25% in jalingo.

Kukutente23:
It's not a temporary order neither is it just a court order. It's the settlement judgement entered in the case without prejudice to any other facts. That's what killed the case in Tinubu's favour

It is not a judgment sir.if you read the charge seat very well,the fbi and dea through the attorney office went to the court to get an order to forfeit temporarily monies in those accounts they believed was linked to narcotics pending when investigation was concluded and tinubu and his lawyers appear in court to show cause why that order will not be permanent.it was an exparte order and tinubu and his lawyers never challenged it.it is the same way efcc gets temporary orders seizing timipre sylva,Donald duke,patience Jonathan properties when court proceedings have not behan or are ongoing...
It can only be a judgment if after a trial is commenced,concluded and a guilty charge is entered and sentenced passed.in this case,a forfeiture motion was sort and granted without formal trial.therefore,it is neither a conviction,fine or punishment

Penguin2:
If you look at it that way, then spread would also be needed in a run-off. Right?

You are not wiser than the framers of our constitution that have provided for virtually all eventualities.

In their wisdom, they provided for spread and 25% in the FCT in the first round of election, and provided for simple majority in a run-off election.

Those are the letters of the constitution. No conjectures, no extrapolations.

The court will soon lay it to rest.you can see the handwriting already.let obi show us how he won

joseph032:
If they had a Governor I would have agree with you. But

You want to Governor a Capital (like State) and you can't Get 25% Vote of the People they. And you think it is fair and Right.

That's Wickedness on the People of that State if You/Law think that way

Oga, if the president is governor of fct,he will need to win it not get 25%.the president can decide to rule from anywhere.it also means a governor too will need 25% in state capitals

joseph032:
Baba go and read the rule for a rerun before quoting that's my problem with you People always defending blindly

I am trying to tell you that fct is not mandatory

Ikaeniyan0:
It's not a state but will be treated as one of the states in the presidential election

Gbam

joseph032:
No.
In a rerun the highest winst

No,25% is needed

joseph032:
The president is the Governor of FCT(like State) and Control all it Affairs.

That's Why the 1977 Constitution was Ammended, that Statement "And FCT" wasn't there.

Not like the People there are Special But at least,
Let thier Governor( The President) Get 25% That's the Only way the Law is fair on Them

And fct is a phrase sir to inculcate fct.uf the constitution wanted fct to be mandatory,they would have stated so clearly..the requirement for winning is 1) highest votes 2) two third spread.if fct was special,they would have added it as 3

Penguin2:
I told some guys here about a week ago that the section 299 that Tinubu lawyers and supporters are hinging on to argue that the FCT is just another state in Nigeria, only referred to the administration of the territory and did not preclude the place of the FCT as one of the provisions that must be satisfied before a presidential candidate is declared.

They argued with me then, but I’m happy to see my argument incorporated by Obi lawyers in their written address in response to Tinubu and Shettima at the tribunal.

Questions for determination:

1) If the FCT is a state (in the sense canvassed for by Tinubu lawyers and supporters) why was there no governorship election in the territory on March 18, 2023 when the rest of Nigerian states had their gubernatorial elections except for those whose election have been staggered?

2) In the 1979 constitution, the condition that a presidential candidate must satisfy before being declared a winner was to “get highest number of votes cast and 25% in 2/3 of the states of the federation.” No mention was made of the FCT which was Lagos then. The question therefore is, if it was not intended that a presidential candidate must score 25% in the FCT, why was that provision attached in the 1999 constitution? Why didn’t the requirement just end with “… and score 25% of votes cast in 2/3 of the states of federation as it was in the 1979 constitution?

3) Because the FCT has no elected governor or mayor, the president appoints a minister who administers the territory on his behalf. Does it not make sense therefore, that man who will appoint the administrator for this territory MUST have at least 25% approval of indigenes and residents of the territory?

The truth is that like is popularly said, the law is a bitch. It cares not about your sentiments and biases, it will serve justice by letters and spirit of the law.

Tinubu did not satisfy the constitutional provision to be declared a winner which makes his declaration null and void.

Fergie001
Lotanna2/Garfield1
Ejimatic et al (if una like sha)

The argument is inferior to wole's argument.if 25% is needed in fct,then even in a runoff 25% will be needed.it will not stand

DesChyko:
It was between the BVAS data and the back-end server data. It's not about hardcopy, sorry

It is the same thing sir by implication.ajything not hardcopy is secondary and unreliable.sorty to you and obi

OfficialAPCNig:
Who doubts that?

INEC guidelines are subsidiary laws backed by the full powers of the constitution and electoral act... SC in Faleke vs INEC

So any election conducted outside the election manual is invalid.

Not true sir.electoral act govern elections not guidelines.the supreme court said any guidelines contrary to the electoral act is null

OfficialAPCNig:
You guys are ignorant.

Tinubus narcotics link is one of LP strongest case. If that case had to be registered to be entertained at the PEPT, then Wole who is obsessed with technicalities wouldn't have failed to point that out in his address.

Since they didn't raise the issue, how do you expect LP to respond to that in their address.

It was raised and dealt with.read apc responses again

Kukutente23:
The judgement was a forfeiture for proceeds of narcotics. In truth, if you read through the charge sheet which was made public, Kevin Moss established a connection between Tinubu and Agbele the main culprit initially, which Tinubu later denied. It was his denial that saved him from being indicted coupled with the fact that he was already in Nigeria then. So the forfeiture was for money involved in drug trafficking found in his accounts.

True but it wasn't a judgment but a court order,a temporary forfeiture order akin to the ones efcc usually get here before investigations are concluded pending court proceedings

DesChyko:
This is you thinking hard copy means anything different in Law. Damn. It's jus paper bro. Paper. INEC provided those evidence on paper, certified them and handed that to LP. They're hardcopies, just like any printed document lying about you right now.😁

Inec certified server copies to apc in osun and it was trashed man.the hardcopy are the primary evidence.inec regulations clearly states that hardcopy are primary.see regulations 93

DesChyko:
But this line of discussion is not about the tribunal's job. It's about you 'assuming' over 18000 polling units results won't make a difference as if that makes it okay to 'steal' them. 👇



This is legally termed 'assumption of fact' and that is very harmful to proceedings.

What I meant was that if a rerun is ordered there,obi will still lose as only 2 mil voters turnout the last time and obi need 2.8 mil

Mordecai:
Lol, you do not even know what MONEY judgements mean.

If the petition was intended to recover a judgement sum against the respondent, then it has to be registered. This however, is a case where the petitioner simply intends to rely on the judgement of a foreign court.

A party who intends to rely on the judgement of a foreign court has to do one of two things:
a. Seal the judgement with the seal of the foreign court (which is what Obi's legal team did)
b. produce a copy certified by the legal keeper with a certificate or of a notary or of a consul or or a diplomatic agent stating that the copy is duly certified by the officer.

It is that simple, please.

Not true.you are relying on obi lawyers address.a foreign judgment must be registered here just like a foreign lawyerust be registered here

DesChyko:
I don't want to call you a liar, but come on.. Did you follow the tribunal proceedings at all? Even in the face of evidence, y'all still run away from the truth 😲

Hardcopies remain the originals.failure to build a case on that is fatal to obi

rolams:
Wailing how? Results of what?

Read clearly and understand my point. I am only talking about what is expected to get from the BVAS in terms of improvement and efficiency. We need something better than the BVAS not that pangolo. The guy just wasted billions.

Bvas is actually ok

udemzyudex:
Yeah in your dream.

How? In the final address,inec clearly stated that the scores from prof Eric shows tinubu won.obi never addressed those scores.why is he silent

udemzyudex:
This post shows you've not been following the PEPT case.
You're asking without a score? They brought in a mathematician witness that did all this in tabular form,they already compiled their scores and submitted .

And the scores showed that apc still won

Mordecai:
Confirmed. You were never Obidient.

Lemme ask, did Tinubu even win any of Nigeria's major cities? Last I checked, Obi chewed and spit him out in most. Atiku did same in the rest .

Is winning any major city a constitutional requirement? No wonder obi lost,he was aiming to win the cities

Mordecai:
They talked about it, tore it to shreds. Only MONEY judgements require registration.

And forfeiture is money judgments

OfficialAPCNig:
Judges have the right to use their sense (discretionary logic) if a party to a suit refuses to release evidence.

They can only reprimand inec.

BERNIMOORE:
it does not work like that
it has been proven that INEC is not releasing evidences as ordered by the court, and the court recorded the INEC defaut on this
what that means is that....pls open your ear....that is enough ground for judges to apply their own discretional rules of Logic in Geometric application to the entire results....

Not true.in law,you must prove everything and not assume

OfficialAPCNig:
That 18,000 PUs returned over 2.5 million votes. INEC declared that Tinubu won with 1.8 million.

Do you now understand why LP is contending the results

Lp will still fail in a rerun in those places

OfficialAPCNig:
Do you know Nigeria Legal System uses precedents in USA and UK to determine cases in Nigeria.

Nigeria Legal System 101

You don't need to register foreign judgments to use it as an evidence in a Nigerian court, especially, not those from the UK and US

You need to register foreign judgments here sir

OfficialAPCNig:
SC already ruled that INEC election manuals are not mere guidelines, BUT A SUBSIDIARY LEGISLATION BACKED BY LAW.

Read LP address with open mind. Those guys are smart

That same court said electoral act supercedes guidelines

Akwamkpuruamu:
I'm reading along too. I'm happy about the Forfeiture and the use of 'or'... ANY COURT...
This makes the issue of jurisdiction of civil Forfeiture in the US and not Nig invalid. Again they pointed out that, it has no time line of 10yds to be invalid as adduced by Wole dem.

So that Forfeiture in Chicago is a strong argument to disqualify Tinubu according to the constitution

Oga,as far as conviction has 10 years,any other punishment will be limited by 10 years

DesChyko:
Thieves should be behind bars. They shouldn't even be in position to steal in the first place. From precedence, there'd always be the machinery to lie and cover-up what they actually did, in this case, absconding with the car and misrepresenting it as a petrol scoop 😴

Tribunal do not convict people.obi has no substantial evidence so he fails