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Wow thats really sad, i and spoke to her just two weeks back, damn life is really funny. Anyway muki deserves our condolences.

She is one in a million And i pray this makes her grow stronger and not bring her down, as losing a parent is one of the saddest part of anyones life.

Muki where ever you are, keep your chin up and keep the faith.

GOONER 89

My Guy Kitty

I wasn't insulting you , i would never do that, i just felt that you knew that arguing this stuff would always be turned into a Man United Vs Arsenal chirade by some folks. I wonder if G Heinze would still be considered the Golden Child if he didn't play at OT by these Manscum folks, Yet every Gooner knows that Gallas was class whether he joined us or not. AND THAT IS A FACT.

So Gallas has won nothing for country, oh really

Well here are his honours for

International
European Under 18 Football Championship Winner 1996
Confederations Cup Winner 2003
2006 FIFA World Cup Finalist
French young footballer of the year 1999

With Caen
Ligue 2 Championship Winner 1995-96

With Chelsea
FA Premier League Winner 2004-05, 2005-06
Football League Cup 2005
Community Shield 2005

Ok then i look ever so carefully for Gabby Heinze's honours, i try very hard to find something, anything that would help me see some kind of honours

Ok Kit please go through yourself and see if you find anything for these Man United Chaps to hold on to

http://users.skynet.be/Heinze4/biography.html

Found anything ok Kit please help them and look here

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/FootballFicheJoueur8588.html

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Heinze

Anything

Ok then let me give some to him

Best Player/Defender as voted by the fans of, YES!! you guessed it ManScum and PSG, Wow what an achievement every defender should aspire to this

Ok then i guess he was a finalist twice with Argie at the Confed cup where Brazil thrashed them, and he was a finalist with Psg as well, and wait, nah he was injured when Man United played Arsenal for the FA Cup that was won by Pen. Oh how could i forget, THE OLYMPICS!!

Wow this Gabby Heinze guy is really the worlds best defender. seeing that he has won any major shit. Well anyway there are some folks out there that believe in UFOs and life source in other planets, while some would believe Cech was better than Gigi Buffon (yes these kind of people do exist )

Anyway i guess you are considered the best when you don't win anything (as long as you put on a man united jersey, Wow that Veron guy really was the standard )

Anyway to make all this simple, i will mail Martin Tyler and Tommy Boyd or what ever that scottish guy on ESPNs name is and ask for a comprehensive comparism by any standard, don't worry i will show prove and evidence of this on the board and also i will put up the replies when ever they come, no matter what their conclusions will be (like i did for the Frank Lampard deflected goals issue)

I believe its then and only then can this arguement be resolved amichably, so folks just bear with me, hopefully i will get replies by next week and will give the results for us all to see.

GOONER 89

Oga JK

Please forgive me, i didn't mean to do that

I mean some of you Man United Chaps are actually Human beings

Like i said; i am not going to knock down anyones views, no matter how stupid they sound (shucks!!, some folks think my views are stupid as well, One would even like to shoot me in a dark alley if he had the chance )

So we all are entitled to them, all i wish is for some objectivity and less of the biased sentiments from time to time.

Oga JK i get your point, and i withdraw that statement.

GOONER 89

Anyway Chaps,

let me just add that, we are all entitled to our own views about which ever player we like. So for those that believe Gabby Heinze is the best thing since Tomato ketchup , who am i to argue with you.

Enjoy .

Mr. Kit you are on you own here oh , after all its d Manscum thread you are on, so expecting to get a Man United Fan to agree with you is as hard as getting a Jew to accept that Jesus is the Saviour

Hope you succeed Anyway i trust You

GOONER 89

Mr. Kit

Why oh why do you bother with silly arguements , i mean, you know what the outcome will be, you know a constructive discussion will gradually morph into a Man United vs Arsenal arguement . (It always does) so i really am lost as to why you are even bothered to continue to participate in this discussion.

I mean G Heinze compared to Bill Gallas , What next  for Christ sakes , this reminds me of the time when folks were doing this MC Hammer vs Micheal Jackson stuff, sorry but that is the only way i could use to describe this arguement. SILLY!!

How someone could compare Heinze with Gallas i will never know, What are we using to compare both players; Honours for both Club and Country Years spent as an International Goals scored even as a defender WHAT OH WHAT

Listen Gabby Heinze is a bloody good defender, one of the best of his generation, but apart from the Olympics and Best Defender/player awards from his fans, what else has he got to show.

WHY MUST WE KEEP ON TURNING EVERYTHING INTO A MAN U VS ARSENAL CRUSADE

Even if Gallas wasn't a Gunner, he would still be better than Heinze. Even if you want to look at things club wise, an objective football supporter would know this, just as that supporter would also know that Ryan Giggs is better than any Arsenal Midfielder at present (these are no brainers ) Like Comparing Van Der Saar to Lehman Even Gunner are not stupid to do that

But the thing about Man United Supporters that irks everyone is their ARROGANCE They will never say the truth (Even one Manscum fool had the audacity to say that David Bellion and Weapons of Mass Destruction Klerberson, were world class when they both played for the Red Devils )

There are many great defenders in the World; Canavaro, Lilian Thuram and so on. No doubt Gabby Heinze falls into this esteemed class of World Class defenders with William Gallas. However in any class, there are seniors and Juniors, Gabby Heinze is a junior compared to Gallas. Has nothing to do with Gallas playing for Arsenal; He could play for F@#K All United football club for all i care, he would still be a nmore complete defender than Heinze. He was Class when he played for Chelsea, and will be Class at Arsenal, and even when he leaves he will still be class. Heinze can win 500 Man United Best player awards for 50 years, makes no difference.

But like i said, as long as it involves an Arsenal Player, no Man United support will believe his player is less, especially some Nairaland Man United Chaps.

Come on folks Lets be fair and objective, and argue with some reality and not blind sentiments.

GOONER 89

Oga V

I AM SO PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW TO TALK, SO I WILL JUST SAY A FEW WORDS

Positives

RVP that boy is pure class, even some folks want him gone, i believe he is one of the few arsenal players that would die for that shirt

Cesc Fab, i mean what more can i say.

Mat flamini, where have you been

TH14 still one of the best, just wait until he hits form.

Negatives

Why does AW still insist on oplaying Theo on the wings

When do Eboue and Lauren get back

Do we need a witch doctor to come and cleanse the Grove

Anyway, on to Wenesday, and the return leg with the moscowvites

COME ON YOU REDS

GOONER 89

Once again our rivals win and we drop 2 points at home, (Why we can't kill teams off i will never know) Anyway Nice games for Chelski and the scum (i tip my hat off for shrek, the kid gave a master class peformance )

Can we still compete , NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT We just need to get back that killer instinct, which we lack and the Scum and KGB have. (Le prof needs to sort this out, and bloody soon).

No time to cry over this, we have those bloody russians for the 2nd leg this Wenesday, so we can't and shouldn't dwell on this. We will definately be in the running for the Prem, no worries about that. Like i said we are getting to the juicy part of the season.

So all Nairaland Gooners, lets tip our hats off to the KGB and Manscum (game has to recognise game) We will soon get back to where we belong. THE TOP And i pray when we do, they will also acknowledge us, like Mr Grizz did (at least there are still some honourable sports guys in the house)

One battle doesn't determine the end of the war

Cheers chaps

GOONER 89

Grizz Cheers mate

Sorry i was just talking about

1 Cashley Cole
2 Big Sam alladyce (and the game against Bolton W on the 26th of Nov)
3 Our Game against the Toffees (Everton) at 3 pm

Nice game so far for you guys against Sheff (can't believe that idiot missed a pen )

Later

GOONER 89

Hey You Nairaland Gooners

Good news

"Finally for today thanks to everyone who emailed me to tell me that Ashley Cole’s book has only sold 3,500 copies, far less than the biographies of Rio Ferdinand, Steven Gerrard and Arnold Cunthammer who lives in Blackpool and nobody knows who he is. Serves him right.

It was suggested on the forums here yesterday that more people should be made aware of this fine tome. Yes, it’s ‘We all live in a Perry Groves world’ by Perry Groves. Wouldn’t it be fun if Perry Groves’ book sold more than Ashley’s? Yes, indeed it would.

Tell your friends and family that this is what you want for Christmas. Order now. Let’s make Perry Groves officially much, much better than Ashley Cole."

http://www.arseblog.com/WP/index.php

And

"I spotted a bestseller list of footballers' biographies and was pleased to see Ashley Cole wasn't selling nearly as well as his England team-mates’.

The serialisation in the papers hasn't tempted many of us to look any further into the left-back's past which is no surprise - there's only so much empathy you can have for a bloke who's unhappy on 55k a week."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A16688983

Wow it seems Tweedy Cole needs his Mama

Bad News

The Walrus up north has spoken again ,

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1933711,00.html

hope he puts his fopotball where his mouth is, when he plays the Scum at his beloved Reebok today. Cause if Manscum beat them, i will really be pissed on the 26th, if we do not thrash them as well (Enough of this Bogey team crap WE SHOULD JUST BEAT THE S@#T OUT OF THEM, NOW MORE THAN EVER, SINCE THEY NOW PARADE THAT EX SON OF A GOONER NICK ANELKA )

Anyway peeps have a nice day, and lets wipe the toffees today at the Grove.

COME ON YOU REDS

GOONER 89

Last london Derby at highbury was against Spurs, and ended as a Draw

Anyway It seems all we keep hearing is United will do this United will do that We have been hearing it since God knows when. When ever we won the League we heard it, when blackburn won the league we heard it, when Chelski won the league , we heard it. So i guess nothing much changes in Manscum Land

United have Bolton today, and despite what our One United chappies would have us believe, it won't be easy, the same way Arsenal vs Everton won't be easy, however we have the advantage of it being a home tie, whereas the Scum play away, which is never easy.

The Russians have the easiest tie against Sheff United.

Right now, we are all getting to the juicy part of the season, leading up to the xmas fixtures, the key games ahead will be on the 26th of November, when the Scum face the KGB, and we go up north to face the Walrus and his Retirement Home team on the same day, those games will be key games and could go a long way to determine the season (although our game against the POOL will be tight as well, but we are playing them at home which should be an advantage)

Anyway Guys enjoy the games, but i have a slight feeling that the Scum might not be top of the table for long, if not today, probably by the time they face Pompey, all i know is they won't be top going into the SCUM VS KGB FIXTURE ON THE 26th.

All i hope is; we will be around to take advantage of the pieces.

P.S. HUC nice to have you back (will i regret this statement i wonder )

Mr. Kitty and all Gooners in the house, HAVE NO FEAR, YOBO IS GOING DOWN

COME ON YOU REDS (LETS BE HAVING YA!!)

GOONER 89

Errm Ok, lets see here,

When was the last time Manscum United won anything decent, oh yes i forget, THE MILK CUP

Listen, The Russians are the new top dogs , we all are trying to topple them, so lets all concentrate on that, rather than look back at silverware that is gathering dust in the trophy cabinet.

Besides the Pool are a greater club than you Manchurians, 5!! COUNT IT 5 EUROPEAN CUPS. So ease up on the bragging and think of how you will tackle the Walrus at home with his Retirement home team (Bolton), while we think of how to deal with those pessky TOFFEES AND TWICE FOR THAT MATTER

GOONER 89

Deco won the CL with Porto and Barca, so i guess his opinions should count for so much.

Teeroy, like i said BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER Waddle even if he played in Heaven is not an Authority, if you had quoted Gary lineaker, John Barnes, Alan hansen or even Alan "Bully" Shearer probably i would have taken note. C Waddle (even with his sublime skill) is not and never will be a footballer i would pay money to listen to.

My point generally was that; there is already a thread for that topic and we should all stick to the topic at hand.

Cheers mate

GOONER 89

Hey you should refer him to Teeroy oh Cause Reyes is now with Real Madrid, no wonder he never settled down with the Gunners .

May he take his madness to Spain, Please good people, someone should please throw the guy a Real M shirt let him take his madness away from us oh

GOONER 89

Please people let us not start this Prem Vs La Liga stuff again We have dealt with this time with out number, and it is boring going through this whole crap once more.

And stop quoting Chris Waddle , when did Waddle become an expert on this (Yes he was a player) has he ever managed a team in his life , and how many other leagues has he played in . So with your arguement, if Ivan Campo, after retiring suddenly comes out with a shocker that he prefered his footie in England, (all be it with Bolton) will anyone seriously take him seriously .

Listen guys i can paste statements from those in the know when it comes to football, who state/claim that the Prem is the best, but you all seem to forget. BEAUTY IS IN THE ETYE OF THE BEHOLDER

SO STOP COMPARING LEAGUES , As you slyly forget to compare National teams, Pray tell Teeroy WHAT MAJOR TROPHY HAS THE SPAINISH NATIONAL SIDE EVER WON, HAVE THEY WON THE WORLD CUP, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY WON THE EUROS, COMPARE THEIR MAJOR ACHIEVEMENTS WITH THE ENGLISH TEAM EVER AND TELL ME IF YOU CAN COMPARE ACCOLADES.

As much as we are trying to make our points, lets not degenerate into counter arguements, but stick to the topic at hand, there is a thread already available for this arguement (Prem Vs La Liga)

KEEP ON THE GOOD WORK GUYS

GOONER 89

Kitty no mind me Jare

I am just trying to show how silly all these arguements are, at least everyone has stopped.

Man the hols was cool, although i dey office sha, so not much of a hols, (although na extra dough sha )

Will catch you on the Gunners thread.

GOONER 89

Errr people, whats going on

Why the delay , have you all taken a breather

Still waiting

GOONER 89

Damn that was a body blow

Damn can you recover, (MEMO TO MYSELF: having accused someone, you can't spell the damn thing yourself Now that wasn't Gladiator like )

Response people!! response, don't go out like that

GOONER 89

Hey another salvo has been thrown

YES CONFESS WHO WROTE YOUR WEAC FOR YOU

I have no idea who this statement is refering to But i am sure the person(s) know themselves and will respond accordingly, let me brace my self for the battle, S@#T!! THIS IS BETTER THAN WATCHING GLADIATOR OR SPARTACUS

MORE PEOPLE!! MORE!!

GOONER 89

Just passing through and what do i see

Do i get involved or do i just walk pass Nah not in the mood today

You all should have fun . As it seems the internet is really giving everyone an pooprtunity to be the best they can be (just like Guiness )

So you all should just be keyboard happy, at least it helps with your typing Skills, speed and general vocabs .

Thank God for Steve Jobs, Bill G, Paul Allen, The United States Defence Dept and everyone that contributed to make Computers and the Internet possible, What would some people do with out it .

Oh least i forget Thank God for seun for also giving you all a forum to express yourselves.

Keep on the good work guys. I am really enjoying all the abuse, makes the forum interesting (As Oga Kola and Mr Kit always chose the PG !3 version of insults ) Please continue, don't stop now while you all are ahead. (Oga Kola i think you should start a beef thread, so that whenever there is a sign of war springing up, we will just direct folks to that thread, so they can knock themselves out silly I DOUBT SEUN WILL HAVE PROBS WITH THAT , as the thread will only be about beef)

As W Jean will say "The record is not over yet" so please people continue, pleaseeeeeeeeeee

GOONER 89

Quick one today guys, as today is a holiday, but just decided to step into the office to clear my mail.

No need for an analysis of yesterdays game, as the players spoke for themselves.

Check these links out

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,1929018,00.html

Beautiful analysis of the game,

http://www.arsenal-mania.com/news/3061566/Touré-Why-would-I-want-to-leave.html

King Kolo says he wants to stay for life

http://gunnerrific.com/?p=41

Don't you just love Crazy Jen

Anyway guys, the Lads are playing WBA on wenesdays, so give your support, and our ladies are looking forward to trying to win the Women Euro Cup, so all in all the Grove might see a good year.

We have the Toffees next saturday, and the Chelski 2 (CSKA MOSCOW) on the 1st. We must maintain this form as we are climbing slowly to the top

Other results went for us, apart from the Bolton and Manscum United games (the pool were ) Anyway Manscum and the retirement home team could do us a favour and cancel themselves out this coming weekend, all in all, this should be a lovely season.

Barka De Sallah guys (SPECIALSHOUT OUT TO Mr, Kit, Oga Kola, Miss Muki, Oga Lordi, Mr Loverman/Bwoy (in short Shabba Ranks ) Basically all Nairaland Sports Crew )

Later Amigoes

GOONER 89

COME ON YOU REDS

Ok guys

Two views

[b]Why 4-4-2 must be the Ferguson formula
Sunday's match with Liverpool will tell us whether Manchester United are equipped for a serious title challenge.

Rob SmythOctober 20, 2006 12:34 PM

When Sir Alex Ferguson took over at Old Trafford in 1986, matches against Liverpool defined Manchester United's season. United couldn't realistically challenge for the title but they could, and did, bloody Liverpool's nose with dizzying consistency. It became the club's badge of honour. Twenty years on, United's meeting with Liverpool at Old Trafford this weekend should also define their season, but for entirely different reasons. Sunday's game - and particularly Ferguson's team selection - will tell us whether United really are equipped to challenge Chelsea for the title, or whether they are just bluffers waiting to be exposed.

Certainly, things are going Ferguson's way. Chelsea aren't at their best, his correct but controversial decision to offload Ruud van Nistelrooy has been emphatically vindicated, and old friends like Paul Scholes, Ole Solskjaer and, in particular, Ryan Giggs are playing better than anybody could reasonably have expected. But what Ferguson really needs is an even older friend by his side: 4-4-2.

For the last five years Ferguson has been increasingly sniffy towards 4-4-2, preferring umpteen variations on 4-5-1 in a bid to go the extra mile in Europe. The problem is that he has taken United backwards both domestically and overseas. And never can the argument for going back to the future have been more compelling than at Wigan last week. In the first half United played 4-5-1, with Wayne Rooney on the left wing, and were disjointed and deservedly a goal down. In the second half, with Rooney back up front and Ryan Giggs on in a 4-4-2, they murdered Wigan with a wonderful performance of passing, movement and freedom. They were partying like it was 1999 all over again.

The choice is a no-brainer to everyone, it seems, except Ferguson and his much-maligned assistant, serial failure Carlos Queiroz. Playing 4-5-1 with this collection of players is like putting a suit on a slacker: observers realise it is painfully inappropriate, protagonists feel self-conscious and constricted. They simply can't be themselves.

The switch is all part of Ferguson's bid to bring continental sophistication to the club, but the suspicion remains that, for whatever reason, Queiroz is the one pulling the strings. When United sneaked an undeserved 1-0 win in injury-time against Liverpool at Old Trafford last season, Queiroz beamed proudly that "our intention was to score one goal". It was a chilling insight into the ethos of the new United. And it is completely flawed: British footballers - and Ferguson's teams will always have a British core - just cannot do cute and crafty. Most probably think catenaccio is an exotic dish. Asking them to play that way is like asking Kelly Brook to star in Amelie.

In a sense, the state of mind, the catenaccio, is even more important than the formation. United's current take on 4-5-1 is almost identical to Barcelona's: a multi-faceted, perpetual motion striker, two of the world's brightest talents roaming from the wings, with an enforcer and two passers in midfield. But the devil is in the detail: Ronaldinho never bothers to defend in what is a genuine 4-3-3; Rooney often ends up at left-back in what is undeniably 4-5-1. By the same token, United played 4-4-2 against Arsenal last month but were so meek and deferential that it was only a matter of time before they conceded. United are just no good at trying to play cagey and pickpocket teams; they need to go for broke from the off and to hell with the consequences. Besides, it's high time Rio Ferdinand started earning his wages.

It is a dangerous thing to mess with the DNA of a football club. Arsène Wenger did it for the good, overturning the image of Arsenal, but very few others have managed it successfully. And certain clubs - United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Ajax, West Ham - have values that are passed down through generations, not to be compromised. Ask Dave Sexton. To most people in football he is one of the most erudite coaches English football has ever produced. To Manchester United fans he is a villain, the scholar who tried to impose defensive football on United and became reviled as a consequence. The fact that Ferguson is now often referred to as Sir Alex Sexton says it all.

It was not always so, of course. Around the turn of the century United played some of the most thrillingly, quintessentially British football imaginable: a furious concoction of skill and strength that very few clubs could live with. But the events of April 19 2000 changed everything. Ferguson was hit brutally hard by the defeat to Real Madrid that stripped United of their European crown. After a 0-0 draw in the first leg, United were picked off at Old Trafford, going 3-0 down before saving face at 3-2. Ferguson swore blind that, had United been cuter tactically, they'd have gone through.

But they should have gone through anyway. United absolutely battered Madrid in that game - Iker Casillas made five outstanding saves; Raimond van der Gouw hardly touched the ball except to pick it out of the net - but something in Ferguson died that day, chiefly his belief in swash and buckle, and his sense that it was time to fundamentally change United's modus operandi was confirmed a year later when, again playing 4-4-2, they were quietly battered by Bayern Munich in the quarter-finals. There is compelling evidence, however, to suggest that that defeat was more attributable to the declining effectiveness of his forwards, Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole, rather than the declining effectiveness of 4-4-2.

Either way, Fergie would not be shaken, and in came Juan Sebastian Veron and a switch to 4-5-1. In a bid to justify such a fundamental change, he has tried every single variation on that basic formation over a five-year period. At first the changes were ostensibly minor, with Scholes replacing Yorke as the drop-off striker, but it meant that he could drop into midfield at every opportunity and give United nine behind the ball. It was a disaster: United lost 10 games before Christmas and, even more significantly, their aura of omnipotence. Only a switch to a full-on 4-4-2, with Van Nistelrooy and Solskjaer up front, almost rescued their season.

In 2002-03, Scholes and Van Nistelrooy had the seasons of their life, and 4-4-1-1 was an undoubted success as United romped home in the Premiership. It was no coincidence, however, that United's electric surge in the final months came at the same moment Veron got injured, and forced Ferguson to go back to a higher-tempo game.

Then, with Europe in mind, Fergie switched again to 4-2-3-1, bringing in an extra defensive midfielder (Phil Neville) to ape the formation used by the Real Madrid side that ransacked United in the quarter-finals the previous season. After a miserable campaign, he shifted again in 2004-05, this time to 4-3-2-1, with an extra pair of legs to keep Roy Keane in the team, before switching back to 4-4-2 when Keane left. The moment Ferguson did, United went on a storming run that almost hauled in Chelsea. It cannot be a coincidence. Seven titles in nine years with 4-4-2; one in five with 4-5-1. Next stop, rocket science.[/b]
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/10/20/why_442_must_be_the_ferguson_f.html

and Lawro's prediction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/6050692.stm

Anyways i wish you guys the best of luck, cause losing to one of your rivals at home is not a crime. But repeating it again with another, Well now thats Bloody Hilarious

May the Best team Win (like Lawro i see a draw written all over this, but hey what do i know , shrek might decide just to show up, and we know what that means )

GOONER 89

Guys lets all forget about that game I am sure we will stuff them in the return leg as all the players are angry about the debacle in Putin land, and would love nothing more than to thrash them at home.

As for the RVP issue, Only Wenger knows why he likes playing people out of position (maybe he enjoys seeing how you will cope / or suffer in that position i mean FFS why use Theo as a midfielder , when it is obvious he is a striker. Stop it Prof

Anyway Good news

CESC HAS SIGNED HIS 8 YEARS CONTRACT

SENDEROUS IS BACK / CLICY IS BACK (when is Lauren coming back )

And here is the report on the first AGM meeting at the Grove

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/384/42.html

hopefully we should beat Reading, and other results go well for us.

I am predicting a scoreline of 3-1

COME ON YOU REDS

GOONER 89

Oga Otolorin

Why did you even bother to respond to that post ( I thinK Mr AY himself has no idea what he was trying to say, no need to make him feel more embarrassed than he actually will feel after he reviews what he has just written)

Mr. AY don't worry, we actually all love Chelski!? damn i am sorry Chelscum!? sorry again, Chelsea.

So be rest assured, you will only get Chelsea loving threads from now on, so you can sleep peacefully

GOONER 89

Ok you asked for it

Why does the world hate West Ham

Why can't we all switch allegience since Carlos Teves and Mascherano now play for them

Why don't teams just allow Alan P's boys just win a game

Why are we still arguing over Hunt and Cech

Why are Mr Kit and Oga Akola going at each other's throat (when they are pals)

Why did Chelsea fans decide to wave all those flags (has Xmas come early at the Bridge )

why do i even bother to say one more thing on this thread

People lets leave this arguement alone, everyone has a view point on the whole issue, Oga kola rightly feels aggrieved over losing 2 keepers in one game, but in his anger, he should realise that even if you could consider hunt's act unprofessional and unsportsmanly, YOU CANNOT SAY HE DID IT INTENTIONALLY AND WITH MALICE

Also the Ambulance stuff only came out of frustration (i believe maureen must have also realised that those comments were out of place) and in hindsight you can understand how he would feel, but the problem is, like the sheep that always cried wolf!! Maureen is in danger of no one taking his words seriously And with that he will lose more respect, and don't act as if he doesn't care, cause he does.

Anyway to digress a bit, the ambulance stuff by akola is somewhat right, believe me if you get injured in England, you might as well try and get yourself to the hospital on your own, cause in some cases you might bleed to death before the ambulance gets there. (anyway we can talk in naija you go see ambulance sef talkless of wen youy reach the hospital, whether doctor go even dey to attend to you )

so please my fellow Nairaland sports crew, lets give this a rest and shake hands on it.

Oga Kola i assure you, i have told Berti to take out Hunt on sunday, keep your fingers crossed (and yeah beating pompey on saturday would also go a long way to repay our kindness

GOONER 89

Oga kola

you seems to be so important at Nairaland, everyone keeps refering to you

Fools aside sha!!

Lets move on to the Pompey game, that should be a tough game for you guys, (same as Reading is for us) i am sure they will try and take more advantage of the keeper situation than Barca, as Redknapp would have watched the game, and seen that Halirio was not comfy at all on the pitch, What do you think

GOONER 89

Errm Mr Grizzy

I guess thats what we get from you Russians, ungrateful so and so!? are I and Mr Kit or Mr Loverbwoy KGB , But we still wished and said Chelsea would win, but do we get a handshake from you, or a "nice one guys" NO! Anyway what woul;d you expect from a classless club.

For your Info there is the return leg, you may have qualified, but expect to get a trashing at the Nou Camp (and believe me that is what you will get, and i put everything i believe in on that) Please Grizz quote me on the 1st of November, (i promise to acknowledge if i get it wrong, but i am sure i won't)

Besides whats up with you guys and the PONSY FLAG WAVING ROUTINE . Acting like "Euro fairies", Stop acting funny, you are a British club remember, "Chelsea", not "Chelseanola" (thats why i love the Pool, Hold up your scarves and sing, waving flags as if you had won the final, if you win the final, what will happen )

Anyway nice game, i won't take that away from you

@

Oga Kola,

Are you a "FOOL", if not why are you bothered about what Mr Kit said, or is it guilty conscience

waving flags like girls, if you had lost what would you guys wave, Your Undies!?

Anyway Oga Kola abeg make i no talk, cause we need you guys to beat Pompey oh, so that if we beat Reading and Blackburn beat or draw with the "Football Retirement home" Bolton, then we can get back in the true race for the title (Fingers crossed as well that the Pool do us all a favour and beat those scum up north , i am sure they really do not need motivation as its Man Scum they are against )

Nice one, and i promise to ask Berti to break hunt's legs for you guys, as they say "a favour for a favour!!

GOONER 89

Oga JK

It is official, "NIGERIANS DO NOT GET SARCASM"

But now to get serious with you, please tell me once again, Who is he getting his revenge against again!?

JK no one touched him, he jumped to block a Free kick by JA Riise and landed awkwardly. So who is he going to blame for the injury. The only thing he could be angry about is the taunting of the fans (like i alluded to in my posts) or the way some stupid fans reacted when he was being taken to hospital in an ambulance.

Let me refresh your memory of the incident in case you have forgotten

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4731224.stm

Any way JK my statements were made in good faith and "tongue in Cheek", thats why i gave the match the title of "THE REVENGE OF SMUDGERS" (which is Alan Smith's nickname)

Please do not behave like some people i know and turn this into more than what it is, a humourous response to your post.

Hope i have calmly cleared the air (besides Jk taking revenge on the ball could be a good idea!? I can see smithy now with Pins to burst any balls after the match )

GOONER 89

Err Oga JK

Revenge For whom

Nobody touched him

He should take revenge on his Shoe makers for his boots inability to hold his frame
He should take revenge on the groundsmen for making the pitch so hard for him

or do you mean

he should take revenge on the pool fans for taunting him

ok then

The crowd should throw pies at the Gary vulture face neville for his celebrations sometime back when Man United beat them

But think of it, that would be a nice title.

MAN UNITED VS THE POOL. THE REVENGE OF SMUDGERS

Has a nice ring to it does that

GOONER 89

i really do not know what all this fuss is about,

Everyone has agreed in one way or the other that any coach would have reacted in some ways like Maureen (in some cases, some coaches might react worst!) but here is the catch (whicvh you KGB folks seem not to want to realise ) Maureen is making it a stupid habit, that only makes him look stupid, petty and silly to say the least.

Like i have said before, a lot of this has to do with his ethnicity, as folks from Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal all are outspoken in nature (if you have lived in Europe, you will know this) So Maureen should learn to just make a statement and not throw allegations around.

Listen i know Wenger, Fergie and any coach in the whole wide world would have reacted in a bad way, but like i said Maureen is giving the act of Whinging a very bad name.

Nairaland KGB members!! as much as you support your club and your gaffer, please try and be objective.

A, The Hunt tackle was unintentional.
B, Attacking the Ambulance services is petty to say the least.

Here is a view from Richard Williams from the Guardian concerning what i am talking about (and believe me a majority of folks in England and i believe the World share the same sentiments,

Victory does little to clear the stain from Mourinho's reputation
Jose Mourinho's constant and wildy incorrect outbursts have permanently ruined his reputation.

Richard WilliamsOctober 19, 2006 01:54 AM

Dead right, Jose Mourinho. There are more important things than football. More important, even, than a Champions League match between Chelsea and Barcelona. Had last night's meeting been the final itself, what happened on the pitch would have seemed insignificant beside the business of Mourinho's complaints against Reading FC's medical staff and the Berkshire ambulance service following the injuries to Petr Cech and Carlo Cudicini on Saturday.

One of the ambulance men who took Cech to hospital said yesterday: "Our reputation has been tarnished." He could hardly have been further from the truth. Only one reputation was tarnished in the aftermath of the unfortunate and regrettable injuries to Cech and Cudicini, and that belongs to Mourinho himself.

And this is, of course, a reputation that was discoloured long ago. The trouble with Mourinho's outbursts is that no objective outsider can now believe a word he says. After the unfounded suggestion that Frank Rijkaard visited the referee's room at half-time in the Nou Camp two seasons ago, and the much advertised 120-page dossier of alleged misbehaviour by Arsenal towards Chelsea, which turned out to be nothing more than a bunch of press cuttings, Chelsea's manager forfeited a great deal of his credibility. A bit more of it disappeared when he compared Stephen Hunt's collision with Cech to the notorious and heavily punished assaults committed in the last year by Michael Essien and Ben Thatcher, and the rest went over the horizon when he alleged that his No1 goalkeeper's transfer to hospital had been unnecessarily delayed, blaming everyone but his own medical staff.

Reading's response was notable for its precision and suffused with a controlled anger. Doubt had been cast on the integrity of their efforts on behalf of an injured man, and they were able to produce evidence in their own defence. Given the identity of their accuser, they had little trouble finding a sympathetic audience.

Deep within Mourinho's intemperate outburst, there could be a point worth making. It may well be that the medical facilities at English grounds in general are not all they might be, given the increasingly severe nature of the injuries being suffered by players who are fitter, faster and more muscled than ever. While their collisions are occurring at higher speeds and with greater force, their bones and joints are still of normal human specification. If that black night on Reading's pitch is to have any value, it will not be in a specific attack on individuals or a single club but in alerting the governing bodies for the need to monitor standards, just as the British Boxing Board of Control was galvanised by the bout that almost cost Michael Watson his life.

Mourinho's approach, however, is not the way to do it. Such wild accusations do greater damage to the accuser than than to the accused, and a gifted coach will have lost even more admirers outside the little world of Stamford Bridge.

From

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/10/19/victory_does_little_to_clear_t.html

GOONER 89

well its now or never for them tonight, Keeper or not!?

If they (as in chelsea) score first the game should be interesting, Barca will definately miss eto in this kind of game.

but i think Maureen will out smart Franky boy, the worst thing Barca can do is underestimate Chelski, expect a goal from Drogs, the rest as they say will be history

nice night fellas

GOONER 89

well guys what can i say,

dismal performance all round, except for Kolo and Jens. Anyway we should stuff them for the return leg, as the team were only made to look good by the rubbish performance we displayed (disallowed goal or not)

i will not bother reviewing the game but will post link to Myles Palmer's review, its quite honest and brutal in its analysis, hope you guys read it and tell me what you think

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/381/42.html

Could somebody tell me why we can't finish/kill teams off it is really irritating

Anyway on to sunday and Reading, hope we get back to our game

COME ON YOU REDS

GOONER 89

Two very interesting articles, one by Myles palmer and the other from Kevin Macarra from the Guardian.

[b]Barcelona is a big game for England's Lampard
By Myles Palmer

WE HAVE heard a lot about tonight's Chelsea-Barca game being a big one for keeper Hilario, a big one for Shevchenko, who is not scoring, and a big one for Gudjohnsen against his old club.

But it's a massive game from Frank Lampard, the midfielder whose dismal World Cup performances were followed, amazingly, by a demand for more respect for what he has achieved for Chelsea.
Last season we heard stories that Barcelona wanted him. I doubt that.
He isn't good enough to play for Barcelona. His style is too pedestrian. He would not fit in, any more than Owen fitted in at Real Madrid. Teams like that need touch players.

That is the main reason that Van Bommel didn't make it there.He is mre of a halfback than an inside forward and he is much more effective at Bayern Munich now.He fits in there.
Frank Lampard is a journeyman with a great engine who can hit a ball.He is Chelsea's top scorer because their teams have been built round him and he has got forward and had a lot of shots.

England continue to change their team to keep Lampard in the role he likes, bringing in Hargreaves, moving Gerrard wide.
The time is approaching when Steve McClaren must grasp the nettle. He must recognise that the common factor in all of England's poor performances in the last 18 months is Frank Lampard.

Tonight is a big one for a player who is not as zippy as Iniesta, not as creative as Deco.
For me, Lampard gives the ball away too much. In tackling and passing he is average. A method player, not a flair player.
And he is a midfield player, not a striker. His main job is not scoring goals. A midfielder's main job is to get the ball and pass it and keep it.He will find that hard against Barcelona.
Lampard's Chelsea career was helped hugely by the unselfish play of Makelele, Gudjohnsen and Duff. Only one of them is still at the club.
Also, Lampard passes the ball one second slower than Ballack. Watch closely tonight and you'll see what I mean.
It's not a semi-final, its only a group game on Matchday 3, so this match should not be spiteful.
Has Shevchenko lost a yard, as Gavin Peacock says?
It's a bit too soon to say.
In the Ukraine-Scotland game it was 21 journeymen and Sheva, whose all-round play was magnificent.
Myself, I think Sheva misses Kaka, hugely. Let's face it, Lampard is no Kaka.[/b]

from

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php/news/382/42.html

and

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/10/18/tale_of_two_teams_and_one_radi.html

also try this for size

"I know Chelsea's winner at Reading on Saturday went down as an Ivar Ingimarsson own-goal, but it begs the question: just how many of Frank Lampard's goals are deflected?" asks Adam Walkden.

This is a tricky one to answer comprehensively, Adam, as the, ahem, extensive Guardian Unlimited library doesn't include 'Lampard: the West Ham Years', so we were unable to research his output at Upton Park.

But we have done the necessary on Lampard's five-and-a-bit years at Stamford Bridge, and are surprised - and disappointed - to report that only six of his 73 goals for Chelsea have been deflected: a miserable 8%. It would seem that Lampard's deflected glory is not as great as the nation's many Frankophobes would have you believe. Still, he's getting better: none of the deflections came in his first two seasons at Stamford Bridge.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/theknowledge/story/0,,1924393,00.html

Well!! i for one always thought 90% of fat frank's goals were deflections , Its good when you get info from people who know what they are talking about

Good luck blues, Give one up the "fancy queens" of spain and do us proud.

Chelsea 2 Barca 1

GOONER 89