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MaxInDHouse:
There has never ever been any eyewitness accounts where two or three people say exactly the same thing.
Their stories may end in the same way but narratives will differ!

When you're done makjng your strawman you'd list the eyewitnesses for us.😄

Steep:
ywhat evidence do you have to say that absolutely none of the gospels are eye witness testimony?

The fact that you have no evidence that any of the claimants wrote it for one. The fact that none of the writers identify themselves in the texts. The fact that the supposed writers were illiterate peasants in a time period when the literacy rate was less than 1%.

The fact the supposed writers spoke Aramaic and not sophisticated Koine greek which the texts were written in. The fact that none of the earliest manuscripts of the texts have any named authors on them. The fact none of the texts were written in 1st person and all in 3rd person. The fact the texts themselves don't even claim to be eye witness testimony.

The fact the texts were written at least 4 decades after the supposed event and get basic facts about the time period wrong and this hasn't even scratched the surface. Virtually all study bibles even admit it that they're anonymous as seen in the SS taken from the New Oxford Annotated Study Bible. This is basic stuff in scholarship.

Steep:
The writings of the four books of the gospel gives evidence that it was written by people who were eye witnesses themselves or who at least knew and interacted with the eye witness.

Eye witness testimony is one of the highest evidence accepted by the court.

So it wouldn't be difficult for you to show us said evidence. It wouldn't be difficult for you to show us how illiterate peasants somehow wrote texts decades after the fact, not in their own language but in a sophisticated form of a different language. Obviously not. You can as well show us evidence of a court of law convicting on eye witness testimony alone.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny enough there is no case in which three different eyewitnesses narrate things exactly the same way.
What real investigators do care about is when they pick up clues from different point/angle to get the real story.
Ọmọ go and learn from police or detectives they don't believe in storylines where three people claiming eyewitness say exactly the same thing it will lead to suspicion of conspiracy!🥱

Lol This one is talking upside down left. Crash out and strawman as much as you want, it doesn't change the simple fact the gospels are not eye witness accounts.

Steep:
Go and learn about eye witness testimony. The different account of the book of the gospel fit what an eye witness testimony account is.

If only you had taken your own advice you'd have known that none, absolutely none of the gospels are eye witness testimony, neither are there any contemporary accounts. Besides eye witness testimony is the most unreliable and weakest form of evidence. Take ur own advice.

LordLicifer:
This is not news naah. Abeg talk another thing. No be from Adam and Eve dem say all of us come from? If we all came from Adam and Eve na im be say all of don do ourselves lik dis too.

You hit the nail on the head. It's how humans "multiplied" if we're to believe the bible. The book basically propagates that we all came from the incestous relationships btw siblings from just 2 people, before and after a mythical flood, same goes for the patriachs like Isaac, Abram, Jacob. So I wonder why the performative outrage.

Steep:
The diverse narration of the story of christ resurrection actually proves its reliability.

Give us another joke.

Steep:
Go and find about Jesus resurrection.

He didn't "resurrect". People - who can't even get their story straight - claiming it, doesn't make it factual. End of story.

Steep:
Jesus is the only person who has died and resurrected as he promised, removing every doubt of the reality of heaven.

Absolutely no one has died and resurrected, all there is are numerous claims about people doing so across diff cultures without a shred of evidence to the claims to make it factual. Basically your evidence for heaven is not even evidence.

ifenes:
Religion made one very powerful promise: suffer or obey today, enjoy your reward after death. The interesting part is that once you die, you cannot return to tell the rest of us whether the promise was genuine. This is genius 😂

There's a reason even those who believe in said heaven are hesitant to go there. If the place is all it's potrayed to be, you wonder why they do all within their power to stay alive - including praying night & day to remain in a place so much worse off. Tells u all you need to know heaven exists only in their imagination. It's also why there's no objective description of it nor what goes on there nor how to get there. Fantastical's the word.

So the way to demonstrate "witches" and the supernatural are real is to share a folkstale produced from stark ignorance - always baseless stories and "Dem say" "Dem say". You guys are funny I swear, time to come up with something more than just empty stories.

It depends. Thing is if you get a samsung phone - brand new - ur going to use it a long time without issues whatsoever, no lag/throttle even while multitasking, constant updates, great security etc. The downside is just the screen, cause it's expensive.

That said there are cheaper screens to replace it with but it wouldn't give you those vibrant colours and beautiful display of the original. About a month ago, mine fell and went blank, samsubg said the screen is 175k, my own was even better, a guy called in and his was abt 300k and he was shouting. I was just laughing.

The luck I had was that the guy fixing it was honest and told me my screen is still ok, it was just the connector or something. So take that into consideration. There are cheaper chinese phones that would perform similarly at the same price point but you don't get the longevity and quality. So youbhave to weigh the pros and cons.

Personally if I'm buying a phone today id still go for Samsung - it's the best ive used - and I know 5yrs down the line I could still be using the same phone without issues. Btw they I think they sell insurance for screens as well, abt 2k a month or so.

pigmania:
You are a very ignorantttt person, where did I ever mention pleas, prayer, and fasting? And how do you know I'm sufferingg?? If your life was actually great, you won't be sounding like a bitterrr soul or someone who the Lord offended. Find true peace and happiness.

How do I know ur suffering? Have you ever perceived dung? Do you need someone to tell you before you know what's wafting into ur nostrils is dung? Quite simple really. I do not know any lord much less one that exists that could offend me, if you're reffering to the non exitent Yhwh, then I can see why you both reflect ur username. Bye!

pigmania:
Check am well, how your life really be? God is merciful sha.

My life is great actually, can't say the same about you, despite all your pleas, prayer and fasting to your "merciful" absentee god. He watches while you're suffering and smiling.

mutvy:
Just look at how Christians are discussing immorality like a norm. I thought it happened only in the West (Europe and USA) so Nigerians are now acting porn?

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A "Christian" is a synonym for a hypocrite. So no surprise really.

axglide:
Repent and surrender your life to Jesus Christ today and be saved.

Why would any right thinking person "surrender their lives" to a dead middle eastern jew who was illiterate about how the world worked and crucified like a criminal. Keep your noise to urself.

istina:
It's high time the whole world rise together to fight this cancer thing o. Otherwise, in the nearst future humanity would be totally wiped out.

You think the rest of the world are like Nigerians who fold their arms and wait for a non existent god -through prayer - to come solve their problems? Billions are being funded into research at different institutions worldwide with clinical trials ongoing.

The irony is when we figure out the cures to these various cancers, ignorant people would attribute it to their god, meanwhile he folded his hands for thousands of years and watched it ravage through.

MaxInDHouse:
You people don't reason you're just out to argue as you have erroneously concluded that there is nothing to think about in religion whereas religion is as old as humanity.
Well i will still tell you that instead of demanding that Dangote should build another refinery for me to believe he once build one i will rather ask him to tell me what gigantic project he will embark on next and if he fulfill it just as he promised i have no reason to doubt his claim that he built a refinery!🥱

Stories from the middle east are not facts, neither are empty assertions formed around it. Lazy mental gymnastics wouldn't change that, objective reality doesn't care and won't bend down to your level. Feel free to carry on yapping away. ✌🏾

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!
A none existent figure can't promise and fulfill it nah!

That is what really baffles me because if this person doesn't exist as you think then He couldn't have made a promise in that book and bringing it to life despite the fact that i can't see Him i'm seeing what He promised to do!😟

Jesus wept. It is in a book therefore that's evidence it's factual. The god Xenegron predicted this year's lunar eclipse 20,000 years ago to the day in the book of Drolin ergo Xenegron exists and created everything.

assertion/ə-sûr′shən/noun

Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.

I rest my case.

MaxInDHouse:
Well we don't judge matters the same way

It's not about judging matters one way or another. All claims about objective reality - no matter how extraordinary - are only taken as factual/true after being demonstrated. And the only thing that's been able to do that constantly is the scientific method. The rest like yours just make extraordinary claims they can't backup. So stick to taking it on faith and you won't have to play by the rules of objective reality.

MaxInDHouse:
whatever someone claims he did in the past even though the person perfected the job should be repeated but i won't demand for a repetition of what the person has done rather i will ask:
"what other impossible things should i be expecting?"
Once he is able to achieve an impossible task then i won't doubt the former things he said!🙂

This is shadow boxing. Before anyone claims anything, they need to exist. Before investigating claims someone made I need to make sure there was a someone and that someone exists. But obviously that's undemonstrable ergo the need for this tangent. Stick to faith like your bible says. Facts and truths about objective reality are a different ball game where ud always fall due to having no evidence and just assertions.

MaxInDHouse:
YHWH claimed He created the universe and He is not doing it again and again that's what He did in the past. So for any reasonable person to figure out if YHWH's claims are true it's not by asking Him to start the work all over again since He has done that perfectly {Genesis 1:31} what i need to find out is the things He is doing presently that's as impossible just like impossible things He did in the past!

Creating the planets and other things is really unbelievable but as claimed He has perfectly done that so it's childish asking Him to go back and start all over again just for proof.
An African adage says:
A soldier CLAIMED he killed thousands of enemies at the battlefield and while demonstrating how he did twelve domestics died. If you can't see the casualties at the battlefield what about the ones you are seeing presently?

So my friend i won't ask YHWH to start all over again but watch carefully how He is able to do impossible things just as the things He did in the past.

If He is able achieve the impossible things He promised to do in my presence then i have no reason to doubt the impossible things He did in the past!

All that just to come up with Bare Assertions and Empty Claims as evidence for previous bare assertions. SMH! You guys should just stick to "Faith" cause when you talk evidence you end up saying really silly stuff. To demonstrate something exists, I need to "watch" the very thing I'm investigating if it exists. Talk about circular, and that made sense to you.

MaxInDHouse:
You asked if anyone could:
Defend YHWH with something better than bare assertions.
Of course that is something only real Christians will do!🙂

assertion/ə-sûr′shən/noun
Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.

So you have evidence and can demonstrate the universe was indeed created, and it was created by no other god than a god called Yhwh and that Yhwh actually exists? Obviously not - real christain or not. But be my guest, im all ears.

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah (YHWH) has vindicated His holy name globally {John 12:28} but it's just unfortunate that most of you focuses on the world empire of false religion known as BABYLON THE GREAT! Revelation 17:5

Surely if any sane individual watches the activities of this prostitute from a distance you will be irritated and highly disappointed with religion in general. Revelation 17:4

Millions has been killed in the name of religion because of this spiritual prostitute. Revelation 17:6

So when anyone speaks disgustingly about our God we know where such is coming from, it's not just you but those events that has characterized religion in the past!🙂

But today Jehovah (YHWH) has separated His own people from false religion {Matthew 25:31-32} and given us another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

I know the next thing that will come up into your mind is bad reports and rumors carried about by agents if darkness regarding God's organization {Matthew 5:11-12} but if you are not biased and willing to investigate you will be shocked to know who is behind all these blackmail.

Please ask anyone who wants to argue with you in the name of Jesus to mention the name of their church after all we all know there is division among those claiming Christians and they will not worship together as one in the same worship center so why are they hiding behind the name that has been defamed globally?

Well the answer to this question will really really shock you!🙂

How does this have anything to do with what you quoted.l?

TenQ:
Boo hoo!
Cry me a river
BUT
Wipe ya tears!

Let me let you have the last word with the block button 😄

TenQ:
So sorry
Let the ffffuuuuls continue to wallow in their willful eeignorance!

Shior!

Ironic af. Sweet salty tears.

TenQ:
Is it true that the king said that: "Discussing wisdom with a scerebbrally impaired jpersonage is like pouring water into a plain untreated basket and hoping for water storage".

Let the ffffuuuuls wallow in their eeignorance!

It doesn't dawn on some people that infinite regress of Cause and Effect is an IMPOSSIBLE reality based on the sound scientific principles. Some people went to school but learnt NOTHING: especially that the UNIVERSE couldn't have been without a BEGINING! They seem not to comprehend that whatever INITIATED the Universe CANNOT be subject to our Physical or Chemical laws.

Stupid arguments re-peddled seems like wisdom to some people. [s]Is it true or untrue that the farmer said in his book of cattle ranching that:[/s] "Braying like donkeys, with only tongues and no brains they manufacture noise that sounds only good to their own ego."?

😄 See meltdown, it's no surprise you and the bot are always battling. Wonder who's exhibiting pain now. Don't worry, you'd defend YHWH with something better than bare assertions next time.

TenQ:
Did I make you FEEL smarter than your fellow Nigerian Atheist!?

Is that why you are so happy?

Pele!
Only the FULL says to himself that NOTHING is the Origin of Everything!

It’s like the head movement finally worked out cause it accidentally formed a partial neural connection. And yes yes I agree, only a person with struggling neurons claims that something comes out of nothing when there’s no demonstrable ‘nothing’ in objective reality.

Especially one who claims their specific brand of creator— which they were indoctrinated with — out of the numerous creators, somehow poofed from nothing and nowhere like magic while being complex. Then in seven days abracadabrad everything into existence from no thing like carbonaro effect, cause he spoke some words. We both agree, good job.

StoryHaven:
Kiddo, I never said I wanted to demonstrate the supernatural. I wonder how you guys know how to argue but are unable to read and comprehend. Go back to my first post. When you have comphended the message, come back and I will direct you on what to do.
My advice to you guys is that, when ever you go into arguments bring along your reasoning senses. That matters alot.
Oya, kiddo, go back and read my post, this time, slowly so you can grab the message.

Baba don bactrack by force, this is what happens when you believe dross, you can't back up - so you outright lie and embarass urself to wiggle out of it. This you below :[/quote]When you or any other atheist are ready to find out if all those negative forces exist tell me. And there is no excuse, you must do what I recommend that you do."[/quote][/quote]You want to know if negative forces are real?
You have the chance Now.[/quote]Negative forces are what? "The ultrantural"? To "find out" and "know" is what? 🤡

Educate urself - No, see the embarassment. Now tuck ur tail between your legs and shuu away from my mentions.

ogwumgbe:
Atheism has replaced your brain with that of a chicken

Unlike you that has nothing to be replaced? Ha!

TenQ:
The one with the EMPTY head is the one that cannot assert his position of beliefs and He is the one who avoids answering questions!

We both know who that is!
SMH!!

I appreciate your efforts to make me look even smarter than I am, by comparison. But it isn't necessary. It's funny how your neurons are just staring at each other, yet no connection. Does assertion of my beliefs demonstrate urs as true. Connect those neurons nau abeg.