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Godspowerpro:
How much facts about the Bible did you know prior to this 'ironic' post?

Enough to spot the irony and know there's a lot wrong with it.

StoryHaven:
Still, you've not made a bit of sense with all these.
Thousands of your like are online begging the same God they claim doesn't exist for forgiveness and many are proclaiming the existence of the same God. All these tantrums like a kid who lost his candy don't surprise me.

Atheist run from finding what they claim doesn't exist. With excuses and act of empty bravery.

Called it, empty noise, always empty noise. Oga demonstrate the supernatural as you said, instead you're capping, yapping and unnessary talk. lol! You guys would make mouth, then when it gets to time to put your money where you mouth is, you'd fold and crumble like paper, ur not the 1st and it always plays out the same way. Demonstrate it or tuck your tails between your legs, noisemaker😄

TenQ:
Unfortunately, If I drill you with simple questions about your beliefs of the origin of the Universe, you will scatter about like a disgraced amoeba.

Sorry!

Seems you're done shaking the empty head, now it's "Sorry" lol. "Simple" questions that end up not so simple for you, cause of ignorance. Looks like you have a thing for embarrassing urself. Be my guest 😁

StoryHaven:
You made no iota of sense with all this long writeup.
Jesus is real, God is real.

Since it is hard for you to believe there is a God because you cant see Him, it should not be hard for you to believe their is a devil. So, you may leave the stress of finding God and go and do research about the negative force (Devil)

Do charms work?
Are there witches?
Is their spiritual magic?
Are there demons?

All these can be researched in Nigeria and if you are set to do it let me know so that I can tell you how to go about it.

May be after you are convinced that the Negative force exists, then if you are sound upstairs, you should know the positive force exist too.

There is a God in heaven and His name is Jehovah.

When you or any other atheist are ready to find out if all those negative forces exist tell me. And there is no excuse, you must do what I recommend that you do.

All those noise you guys make upon nothing should be stopped.

You want to know if negative forces are real?
You have the chance Now.

Lots of the usual basless empty noise and claims, you're really eager to demonstrate the silliness of your "beliefs" - be my guest. Somehow current hide and seek champion Yhwh couldn't be demonstrated so you decided to tag-in his buddy and his "evil forces" to help him out.

Don't make me laugh, it's like saying asking someone who doesn't believe in superheroes if they believe the Joker's real, since they don't believe Batman's real. It's silly af. Your evil forces are a joke like Yhwh. You like money right? How does a million dollars sound, since you can demonstrate these evil forces.

You demonstrate "supernatural" forces you get that amount from the James Randi foundation. Come across your type a few times on here and they always chicken out after empty noise.

Ghtgh:
Are you saying they are real or not? Make up your mind 😂

If you had an iota of comprehension the answer wouldn't so easily elude you. But here we are.

ogwumgbe:
Fools say that there's no God, Keep deceiving yourself, time shall tell

The bigger fool says there is only one called Yhwh despite his indoctrination being his only evidence.

TenQ:
Its only on Nairaland that “Those who live with profound multisensory loss, unable to see, hear, smell, taste, or feel touch.” are claiming knowledge.
"The Nothing created the Universe" Gang!

I could see why you fled the other time.

Sorry!

I can taste the salt 😁. I like how you're so full of knowledge you educated us about where science makes the claim the universe came from nothing. Right?! 🤡

Thr title of this post and the content that follows after is... well Ironic lol.

TenQ:
Of course, I experienced you expressing your pain on NL!

If that makes you feel happy, oya cash it at the bank. Won't fix ur ignorance though. 😄

TenQ:
Still it doesn't change the fact that Someone here has been venting his PAIN!

Experience knows best. Cry me a river.🥱

TenQ:
Someone here is venting his PAIN!

SMH!

I guess shaking your head comes much easier to you than actually educating yourself. The former seems to be considerably easier for you than the latter.

muyico:
Nothing special about it
Consistent training
In balancing

Pls do it let's see, won't be surprised it's an overweight person making this comment. To talk is way too cheap especially cause of sm.

Dtruthspeaker:
Look at all the fallacious arguments and off points. Nothing valid to even address.

Secondly, are you the one to tell him what god he should choose to follow?

Atheists, always pained when they hear that one of their subscribers have cancelled and rejected their subscriptions

Time to renew your Block.

Words don't mean words. He "unconditionally" loves you, well except on the condition you don't accept him as your lord and saviour and do what he commands else he sends you to burn forever in a lake of fire. But he loves you unconditionally. Makes so much sense.

This is so laughable, if there were any evidence for christian beliefs they wouldn't need to stoop low to all these dramatic shenanigans. Like most "atheist" to christain "conversions" - not saying there are no real ones btw, they're not as common as these SM drama - the story and reason behind it is most times flimsy. It also usually contains nonsense positions an atheist would most likely never hold, just as this video.

You hear nonsensical takes like "I didn't have enough faith to be an atheist anymore", "I just hated god" - you hate what you don't believe in? "I couldn't continue believing something came from nothing" - an ignoramus on here spouted this one, "I just wanted to sin and do drugs" - what even is sin to one that holds no belief? "I just liked mistreating people" Like what... it's a caricature of what christains think an atheist view is so they spout the nonsense to make their conversion stories dramatic - this dude's even a poor actor.

You grew up in a christain home and got apathetic to the whole thing before coming back?! "I was an atheist" - certainly not an apatheist, you were a xtain but life's circumstances made you disillusioned with your beliefs so much so you hate the concept of god?! "I was an atheist" - certainly not a misotheist. So an "atheist" wakes up one morning and decides to "pretend to believe in a god" - what does that even mean?

Pretend to believe in which of the gods - why not ishtar or Vishnu? Did he throw a dart to pick one at random to play pretend or did he pick one of the dominant ones from his geographical location which just happened to be real after playing "pretend". No tangible evidence convinced said "atheist" of this particular god, save for nictotine addiction. Which he claimed was suddenly gone yet he had withdrawal effects with nightmares - Yhwh sent you nightmares to show he's real? Lol

Was already reading the bible for 3 months prior to playing pretend to believe in the god of the bible and just covieneintly had to record the process for social media. Had already chosen a god out of the many before playing pretend yet was an "atheist" - why not the Quran or Baghavad Gita. Then the most explicable thing it did to him that gave him evidence to convert was that it made him "kinder to strangers". There's a reason stuff like this is popular with a certain kind of people.

Which of the heavens and hells.. Is it the heaven with streets of gold or the one with rivers of wine, Is it Jannah, Aaru, House of songs, Valhalla or the Deva realms. If it is the Christian heaven is it the catholic, Judaical, Protestant, envangelical or orthodox view of heaven or are we going to divivde ourselves into several parts.

Same goes for hell - Gehinnom, House of lies, Tartarus, Naraka ir any of the other countless versions imagined. Like legion they're many. Are we splitting ourselves btw the hells too. Funny how the descriptions of heaven always contains stuff humans have attributed value to and never something not borrowed from human desires like gold we attributed value to cause of it's rareness and difficulty of extraction and beauty.

The descriptions always borrow from the level of technological advancement of the people imagining them, never something advanced - Gardens, rivers, gold, jewels, abundant crops, feasts, chariots and other things familiar to their world. So of the heavens and hells, since you know? No?

TenQ:
I see that you are absolutely terrified of being asked questions that expose your frail foundations. The kind of fight you want is one in which you are the only one allowed to punch while your opponent is only allowed to defend your punch. SMH!

If you cannot answer simple questions to reveal exactly what YOU hold as a position, dont waste my time.

The Questions were elementary
So, again:
1. You challenged the apparent "lack" of evidence for God: What kind of evidence do you think will suffice for YOU as evidence for the Creator?
Its about your position and opinion not what others hold.


2. Since science agree that the universe has a beginning at about 13.8billion years ago, what in your opinion allowed the simultaneous creation of time, space and matter from NOTHING?
Except you want to tell us the name of that fundamental "something" from which time, space and matter evolved or assert that time, space and matter had always existed.
SMH!

Proverbs 26:12

As expected — absolutely “NO THING.” 😄
There's no shame in tucking your tail between your legs on your way out. It's embarrassing, sure, but it happens. Sometimes you've just got to own it instead of being sly.
That's where confident ignorance lands you. Feel free to have the last word on your walk of shame.
Nice demo, btw. 🙌🏽

TenQ:
I see that you are absolutely terrified of being asked questions that expose your frail foundations. The kind of fight you want is one in which you are the only one allowed to punch while your opponent is only allowed to defend your punch. SMH!

Fight?! Wow! Does exposing “frail foundations” suddenly make yours solid? Who knew! If that makes you feel better about having actually demonstrated your ignorance—confidently at that—it's fine. After all, we're talking feelings and empty claims, not demonstrable facts right? You guys are too easy. 😁

Guess I'm just so terrified that I purposefully refused to cite references for the things I magically claimed science presents as facts. It's okay to drop the mirror, you know. You claim “science agrees.” Show us science agreeing with the specific claim you made...
Error 404!!!!

TenQ:
If you cannot answer simple questions to reveal exactly what YOU hold as a position, dont waste my time.

You mean the question I already answered and you've simply chosen to ignore twice? I told you exactly what evidence would suffice: "Evidence that demonstrates the universe was indeed created, that it was created by a single creator and not multiple creators, and that this creator is not Humbaba but YHWH, and that it was made how YWHW claimed it was made and not the way Humbaba did." That's my answer to your question 1. The same evidence that convinced you it's not Humbaba, Allah, or any of the other claimants, but YHWH alone.

You don't get to repeatedly ask the same question and then pretend I haven't answered it simply because you don't like the answer, because you know the emptiness of your claim can't meet up. Even your retreating response says a lot about the emptiness of the claim - does knowing or attacking my position in anyway validate urs as true?. If I go to collect insurance because my house burned down, I don't ask the investigator “what evidence would convince you?” except I have nothing but emoty claims. 😁

Guess elementary questions aren't so “elementary” when they're built on ignorance. “Why do goats not come from seeds since chickens come from eggs?” Exactly why I said I'd demonstrate your ignorance. At least be knowledgeable about what you're trying to attack before attacking it with questions that make you look silly—especially when you can't demonstrate the “facts” baked into the questions you're asking.

There's a reason you could cite nothing, and would cite nothing—pun intended—10 years from now while still making the same imaginary claim. If I say Christianity and the Bible “agrees” that Mohammed was worshipped by Jesus in the wilderness, and then ask you when Mohammed baptised Jesus, that's your “elementary question.”

Sounds brilliant, right? Funny thing is, you'd obviously push back and ask: “Where does the Bible say that?”
And rightly so - Proverbs 26:12 indeed. So it's quite simple really: where does science present the conclusions baked into the premises of your questions as factual?

Of course, nowhere in the sources you've provided. That's why you can't cite it and keep retreating and dancing instead of demonstrating them. Next you'd claim “Science agrees humans came from monkeys lol.”
So I await the evidence of science presenting as established fact:

1. That the universe had an absolute BEGINNING 13.8 billion years ago;

2. That there was a state in which matter was absent called “nothing”;

3. That space, time and matter were subsequently “created” from said nothing; and

4. Where science demonstrated “NOTHING” as a fact that existed at a point.

The irony is that you're claiming I'm evading questions whose premises you haven't established, while you're the one dodging the establishment of the premises you claim as factual. Drop the mirror and stop projecting.
So go ahead: show us where science establishes those four premises, and I'll happily answer question 2.

This is a fun demo - Proverbs 26:5 & 7. Don't chicken out now with the "waste my time" gimmick. Tick Tock 😉

TenQ:
I no send you this: Irrelevant talk!

Yeah, the confident ignorance had to be shown for what it is, same as the rest of this comment. Let's demonstrate that again, shall we?

TenQ:
I don't know your Humbaba and moreover, It was YOUR criteria I asked for. Since apparently you know Humbaba, what is their criteria?
The question was very simple:

So, again:
1. You challenged the apparent "lack" of evidence for God: What kind of evidence do you think will suffice for YOU as evidence for the Creator?

Smh. Read again. Maybe this time you'd comprehend, but I understand why you're determined to miss the point.

Let me show you how silly your follow-up question is:

“I don't know your YHWH, and moreover, it was YOUR criteria I asked for. Since apparently you know YHWH, what is their criteria?”

The same evidence that would suffice for you to know Humbaba created it! If you had any evidence, you wouldn't be so determined to miss the point. You would have already gone ahead and demonstrated it instead of asking for “criteria.”

But since it's an empty claim that is in no way factual, ergo this dance.

Anyways, let me dance with you. Here, cant miss it twice:

Evidence that clearly demonstrates that the universe was indeed "created", and that it was created by a single creator and not multiple creators, and that this creator is not Humbaba or any of the other claimants but YHWH, evidence that doesn't hide in gaps in our knowledge and ignorance,. Easy, right?! Moving on.

TenQ:
Evasive as usual, I made a claim. make your own counterclaim or disprove the claim of the universe.

Unfortunately, you could have gotten the answer easily if you are not intellectually lazy

Planck Collaboration, Astronomy & Astrophysics — The Planck 2018 cosmological parameters paper reports an age of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years under the base [\Lambda] CDM model, which is commonly rounded to 13.8 billion years
OR
Planck result overview, Astronomy & Astrophysics — The Planck 2018 overview paper also gives an age of 13.797 ± 0.023 billion years, again consistent with about 13.8 billion years

Oh, sweet irony. I love this tangential retreat.

I never asked you for the estimated age of the observable universe, but I understand why you'd prefer to answer that. So try again, please. Show us where, in what you cited, it establishes the consensus that the universe absolutely had a beginning 13.8 billion years ago.
You claim science says the universe had a beginning. Show us where it says that.

TenQ:
WRT to the highlight in Yellow you are the one trying to force a certain narrative of the word NOTHING as objective reality as I did NOT qualify NOTHING other than the normal use of absence of Matter. Or you think matter had always existed?

Now, enough with the digression, please answer my question.

2. Since science agree that the universe has a beginning at about 13.8billion years ago, what in your opinion allowed the simultaneous creation of time, space and matter from NOTHING?

Again with the irony. We've gotten to the part where words don't mean words. Let's consult the dictionary, shall we?

«“Nothing, no-thing, or no thing is the complete absence of anything, as the opposite of something and an antithesis of everything.”»

So how can the absence of just matter be “nothing”? This is where the retreat happens. Spacetime, fields, energy, quantum states, physical laws and even quanyum vacuum — these are quite clearly something. But let's dance along and take it at face value. You're boldly making the claim that there was a state in which matter was absent, and that time, space and matter were subsequently "created" from it.

Can you show evidence for that claim, or any scientific consensus that makes that claim? You can't keep making unsubstantiated, empty claims about what science says and then fail to show that science actually says those things. It shows you don't know what you're talking about. This is the ignorance I said I'd demonstrate. So I await the evidence of science presenting as fact:

1. That the universe had an absolute beginning 13.8 billion years ago;
2. That there was a state in which matter was absent; and
3. That space, time and matter were subsequently "created" from it.

So I can give answers to facts, and not a caricature presented as the facts.

Tick tock.

TenQ:
Good!
Are you willing to be quizzed on this: lets see how well you can think.




1. You challenged the apparent "lack" of evidence for God: What kind of evidence do you think will suffice for you as evidence for the Creator?

2. Since science agree that the universe has a beginning at about 13.8billion years ago, what in your opinion allowed the simultaneous creation of time, space and matter from NOTHING?

Oya, Mr knowledgeable, I am waiting! Just two elementary questions.


To help you, factor in Entropy and any relevant Physical , Chemical laws or use of rules of Logic.

So to preface, truth is, I don't even know whether to chuckle or sigh. You really thought you dropped something. I honestly don't know how you guys do the whole confident thing while being ignorant about the basic claims you're making. It reminds me of the Dunning–Kruger effect—basically, overestimating your understanding precisely because you don't yet understand how much there is to understand.

Like asking why goats don't come out of fruit seeds when it is known chickens do from eggs. It honestly makes no sense.

Anyways, to your questions:

1.) The very exact same evidence that would suffice for you to know Humbaba, the Almighty Creator, created the parent universe, Simna, which gave birth to our universe.

The same evidence that adequately distinguishes between Humbaba created Simna → our universe, YHWH created our universe, and a natural explanation of our universe — one that doesn't hide in gaps in our knowledge and ignorance, but one that indeed demonstrates that it was created. Who is Humbaba, you ask?! Exactly.

What evidence would suffice is not it. It's what you can demonstrate to be factual that enables you to know something as a matter of fact not an opinion. Quite easy. So you should be able to demonstrate that the Earth was indeed created, that it was created by a single creator and not multiple creators, and that this single creator is not Humbaba nor any of the other numerous claimants.

2.) Please, I would like you to point me to this scientific "consensus" by referencing a reputable, peer-reviewed paper, journal, or scientist that states, as an established fact, that the universe absolutely had a beginning 13.8 billion years ago.

Should be easy to show said concensus, since science has established factually, that the universe itself had a beginning, so I can then answer your question.

Similarly, I would like you to reference a peer-reviewed paper where science demonstrated as established fact that there is such a thing as “nothing,” in objective reality and that there was a point of absolute nothingness.

Or maybe since you know, you can demonstrate for us how “nothing” is no more than an abstract human concept and is, in fact, present in objective reality—as well as that there was a point when there was this “nothing” which you know.

Should be straightforward, so I can answer your "elementary" question(s) 2.

potland:
so you dont believe in God

Believe in which of the gods, like legion they're many.

TenQ:
You don't even have an understanding of what you believe before crucifying what others believe.

The saying that "A compound fool says in his heart that God doesn't exist" is very very true!

SMH!

Obviously "the bigger compound fool declares it out loud that it does, despite no shred of evidence". " It's" very very true seeing as indoctrination is a powerful drug 🤧

Tboy222:
Yeah a lot of editing has been done to the Bible, that bastard Emperor Constantine did a lot of havoc at the council of Nicea

Council of Nicaea has nothing to do with editing of the bible as you implied, neither did Constantine issue any edict that had anything to do with "editing" the bible or it's cannon at Nicaea. A commonly regurgitated claim that's simply false and this is not the first time you've spouted it. Educate urself nau.

Where are the "Thank god" and "If it's not yet your time" crew. The god that couldn't prevent something from even happening to him at all, is the one they were rushing to thank for a coincidence. As if reality is Jerusalem fiction where dead people come back to go greet their families. RIP to the young man.

ednut1:
Nigerians Christians are just too gullible. Mama don try NGO and politics he no work. Now na church. Cashout season

Fixed it for you.

stevio:
Traditional medicine was the only way before "Chemical medicine" surfaced. The white man made a mess of our natural remedies that helped our ancestors achieve long life in good health. Traditional medicine remains the best if you encounter a genuine healer.

Apt. Which was why they had long average life spans of 25 - 40, had very low infant mortality, very low deaths from diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, small pox, cholera, polio and other infections so much so there was no need for vaccines and antibiotics. Right?! Holy confirmation bias.

FSBoperator:
AI breakthrough came simultaneously after CERN announced that they had opened a portal with their collider machine.

They opened a portal to another plane and demons are here

Those demons are in AI form.

They don't need big data centres to power AI.

That's a lie.

Data centres are just gathering info for the demons to quickly access.

AI is existing as a humanoid - it requires human possession.

Since CERN bridged the portal, our world has descended into chaos.

Abeg keep your conspiracy nonsense to urself.

Jakarta:
Imagine a one room apartment with 7 inhabitants VS a 3 bed room apartment with 4 inhabitants per bedroom.

Total inhabitants 1 room: = 7
Total inhabitants 3 bedrooms = 12

At first glance which of the apartments will look more crowded between the single 1 room apartment vs the 3 bed room apartment?

Perfect analogy

A lot of people forget Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria by land area. Though they have similar populations despite the diff in their sizes, Kano outranks Lagos but people would feel it's Lagos cause of population density. Opinions are not facts.