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graciella:
Hebrew 10:25

Hebrews 10:22-25King James Version (KJV)

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

felixomor:
I didnt add sentiments
You are the one who said salary is your effort and its not God's increase.

It doesnt take long for those who dont believe in God to manifest themselves

Sorry let me ask small question need clarification;
If a salary man receive salary will he pay 10% out of the net or gross?
We know salary earner enter transport to goto work while others spend some sort of money to be able work and be paid monthly salary.
1)
Now business men at same hand trade will he paid tithe from the net or gross?

2) Are law of tithe different from from salary earner to traders?
My sincere question.

onyebest123:
I have a mercedes c230 jst like tokumbo very neat first body, I jst painted it today so it wld look sharper, if you are interested I can send you pics shortly jst that the price is 670. Bt jst like I said nothing to fix at all

Lets go with Toyota please!

kaymaxsoluxions:
Toyota Corolla 1998 - 2000. Toyota Rav4 1998/1999.
Good economy cars combined with ruggedness.
Call if you need any.

Am interested, give my pics

valarinz:
Super ride, anytime, anyway, but I doubt you'll get a neat and sound one at that price(500-600k)

Thanks am still searching, I don't mind enforcing her to buy that even if it will require adding some money.
But it has to be good on fuel economy and easy to maintain.

Abuja4sale:
Registered Mercury Villager

Buy and Ride.

I dont know this car, it that economical in fuel and maintenance?

How much?

Can anybody tell more about Volvo S60.
Is it economical in fuel and easy to maintain?

boldx:
I don't have one. It seems you are in a haste to get a car. Please be careful before you buy a car that has been abused.

Thanks for your advice.
I will never make that mistake again.
Am not really in a hurry but really need a good car.

afoife:
I have a pretty lady. BMW 3 series. its going for 500 call me on 08033957617 if interested

Pictures pls

boldx:
Try and look for Honda CRV 99 model. Its a very rugged car. And it falls within your price range.

Where can I get one?

If it is give away price it should be 800k

OShepherd:
A friend has a very clean & sound Rav4 but U have to make it 680k. Chat me up sir

I have forwarded to link to her, I don't think she likes it.
But if she later changed her mind she will call you.
The car is rather urgent but we have to buy good car.

boldx:
Please focus on what you want. This is a No No.

Thanks

OShepherd:
08060286044. Dis model very rugged & economical, u can ask anybdy who uses Toyota. Its a replica of tiny lights, jst dat it's an SUV

Ok will call you tomorrow by you professional advice.
Thanks

OShepherd:
A friend has a very clean & sound Rav4 but U have to make it 680k. Chat me up sir

Don't know much about Rav4, is that economical in fuel and maintenance?
How many liters is the hank, and from Abuja to Lagos will consume how many?

greenhulk:
If fuel economy is very important to u then why r u looking for the caravan? Not saying it's a bad car but it is not fuel friendly, it's got a v6 engine and it's a minivan. So do the maths.

I believe you.
Not really moved by Camry except with qualified advice.
I just used one and the experience was terrible.

Willdidi:
Have got a grand caravan up for sale, 400k in good working condition, all you need is a battery, if interested can come for inspection tomorrow morning.

Any picture?

Willdidi:
Have got a grand caravan up for sale, 400k in good working condition, all you need is a battery, if interested can come for inspection tomorrow morning.

Location please

Still waiting...

Please help, I don't know much about do and don't in any car that is why I brought it here.

Toyota is most preferred.
Any car but fuel economy is most concerned.

Hello
Can someone recommend for me a strong, fuel economic, easily maintained car within 500k and 600k with engine size of maybe 1.3-1.8,with pictures.

For private use.

Any year(above 1997) and type of car is ok but automatic.

A family need for use within the city and sometimes maybe twice in a year off city.

abbey621:
Why can't you people read before commenting. Here's a hint, go back and read what I wrote, now do you see where I stated comparing the news on CNN with that of FOX and then forming an objective opinion? It works both ways you know! I don't know why you Nigerians are in such a rush, fara bale jor!

My dear, that is who we are but not all.
Most people read to respond instead of read to understand, that is why you see verbal attacks here and there once politics,religion and sports are concerned. But when you take your time and read again the object of discussion you will discover that most people are saying the same thing by different mindset.

OCHERAY:
am writing today....from benue...up till now 7 o clock batch has not written theirs

You mean you are yet to write 7am examination till now?

Am waiting for my relation who went to write since 5:30am not yet back, was thinking going there.

promisechuks:
Pertaining to salvation and righteousness of God, no amount of right living can give earn it, that's why it's freely given. And you know what? You can't maintain it by works/right living. Your right living/righteousness CAN NEVER maintain what your righteousness couldn't earn . If you are controversial with this put forward any single bible verse to disprove it for proper analysis.


As regards to this verse, we have to explain it, not based on what we think, imagination and tendencies, but on the basis of the FULL knowledge of the one sure foundation provided by God, christ finished work.

There are differences between works of flesh, works of righteousness(self righteousness)and works of salvation. Works of salvation is simply know as our ACHIEVEMENT made by utilising the grace of God. Example; "you won 10000 soul to christ", "you helped 100 poor kids through scholarship", labouring abundantly to express God's love to people around you either by spreading the Gospel or any other grace-empowered way. Another example; Microsoft is accounted unto bill gate as a work of salvation because of the grace of God, if he believes, these works are not restricted to winning souls, no!


Another example: No man will remember kenneth hagin for his work of righteousness/right living, but for sure he will be remembered for his works of salvation which may include; his write-ups, books, video tapes, crusade events, the healing power of God demonstrated by him and many more. You got it?

More example? Yes! from the scriptures. 1cor.15vs10; but by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I LABOURED(work of salvation not works of righteousness/right living) MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN THEY ALL; yet not I but the grace of God which with me."

"......more abundantly than they all", you don't measure right living but you measure works of salvation because they are your achievement made recognisable before God by grace. In that statement paul used "more...than", because he was speaking in comparison to the works of other believers who had lesser works/achievement by grace than his works and achievements by grace.

With the understanding of what I have explained, read that 1cor.3:1-end to understand the full revelation there. Because the entire chapter is talking about works of salvation.


That chapter is an UNVEILING OF THE MYSTRIES BEHIND THE PARABLES OF THE TEN TALENT, because jesus would have said those things in the first place, but because they(jews) were too carnal, he spoke to them in parables. Remember, at a point he said something like "I have many things to tell you, but the problem is that you lack the power to comprehend it" and he started to talk about the spirit of truth that will be sent to help the church understand the revelation he will be bringing forth into the church through vessels like paul, peter, john e.t.c.


Now, according to the parable, we have been given the grace(talent) freely as a GIFT of righteousness(eternal life) to first of all, make us FREELY justified, with NO DEMAND of right living. If controversial, I challenge you to refute it with BIBILICAL verse and not imaginary thoughts or experiences for proper analysis.

And secondly, to empower us, not only to live rightly, but also to achieve greater achievement and works, either in soul winning or promoting the lives of people around us for the kingdom of God. These are main few purpose of grace(talent), especially for our justification, for us.


Now that verse you quoted 1cor.3:14-15 says;"14. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he SHALL RECEIVED A REWARD. 15.If any man's work shall be burned, HE SHALL SUFFER LOSS: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire."

Deduction: in vs 14;".....SHALL RECEIVE A REWARD"
Q&A: Reward for what? For right living? No! You don't build right living because right living cannot be seen as achievement. For works of salvation/achievements in grace? Yes! You build achievement in grace/works of salvation.

Q&A: What is the reward for our works of salvation as expressed in the above verse according to paul?

Now see this, we have gift and reward, this two things are totally different but confuse people a lot.
Gift is for free, no work. Reward is not for free, a work MUST be involved as the MERIT of the reward.

When you believe in christ, you are given a GIFT of eternal life(that grants you heaven), when you utilise the grace of God properly, to achieve your works of salvation for the kingdom of God, you are rewarded afterlife with, what the bible calls, a CROWN OF VICTORY.

Eternal life is a GIFT but crown of victory is a REWARD which is administered based on your accomplished works/achievements of a believer for the kingdom.


As regards to 1cor.3:15, SUFFERING LOSS, doesn't mean a denial of eternal life but a denial of crown(hope of glory). It's a loss because your works, not matter how many years you have been in the lord since you are unserious to labour for the kingdom works, will be considered vain. So paul was not talking about the sins of a believer that has being dealt with, forgiven and forgotten about at the cross heb.10:17.

At the judgement day, we, who believe(not just know, but really believe) in the finished work of christ, will not be judged of our faults, imperfection, sins and mistakes, because it was judged and condemned to death on the body of christ at the cross. And through that sacrifice, we have been made NON GUILTY OF THE SINS AND MISTAKES WE COMMITTED.

So, our judgement will be based on our works of salvation/achievement. The only kind of Judgement that will be passed on believers is the kind expressed in 1cor.3:1-end, and not judgement of sin, because we have been made innocent by christ's payment. There is no sense in judging an innocent man.


But in the case of unbelievers, they are judge of their sins, because they didn't accept the man that was judged and condemned to death for their sins, so they have to pay for their sins with their own life which is by death.


Let me stop here.

Nothing but the truth!
God does not gamble with salvation!

Charisplus:
As 5solas pointed out the message of "once saved always saved" was the one preached by the Reformers. The question now is "what was the cause of the Reformation by Martin Luther? If we have a good understanding of that it will help us on this issue.
The problem often times is that many of us do not even understand what really happened at the new birth in Christ. It is such a profound spiritual experience. The Bible says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the final redemption of the body. I often wonder at those who say after one is saved and commits any sins he ceases to be saved. The Bible says you are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God. The gift of God that is what salvation is. So if you lose salvation over every sin committed then God takes back His gift and gives it back over and over as it is believed by some that when you commit sin you lose salvation but get it back after you confess/ do restitution/penance etc. There is no where in the Bible where this back and forth motion of being saved and losing it is found. If salvation was dependent on whether we commit sin or not and keeping laws/rules, then what was the point of Jesus coming to die? There were enough laws under the Old covenant yet after over a thousand years no man was found able to fully keep that law.
If anyone be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things are passed away and all things have become new. If someone who is in Christ cannot be sure he is saved then what is the point of Christianity? Every other religion teaches keeping of laws/rules/doing good deeds to obtain "salvation" and even then you are not very sure you can make it. Christianity is the only "religion" that gives that assurance and the reason is because it is not dependent on you or what you do but on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. It is either you accept that Jesus' work(He died for your sins - present, past and future sins) on the Cross is enough or He has to come to die again or we need another sacrifice for sins!

Very correct!
We don't move with the fear of God leaving behind the Love of God!

italo:
What has italo got to do with you and your claims.

They said you should defend your false claims, you cant. Rather, you're saying italo this, italo that. Conversion from Catholicism doesnt mean you are correct. The leader of the biggest pentecostal Church in Norway coverted to Catholicism. Do you hear us mention that as proof of our claims.

Including Anglican Bishops, they use to announce it in the church and in all catholic over newspapers. You are right!
This is the period of in-gathering. All the religion/churches will gather around roman church after rapture so they are doing testing testing...

What I did was I steeped up to recognize how church(I mean the entire body of Christ) used to operate and functioned before the advent of Constantine between 325AD-328AD and they are very different so I stick to the same Catholic that came from Israel by the Apostles which also came to Rome though adulterated with pagan worship.

Comparing Rome/Israel is like comparing darkness and Light.
So the church in Rome was built to gather those who still want to worship idols though in new christian name but the one that came from Israel is to gather people who wants to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

Are you asking me proof that the church that came to Rome was adulterated with pagan worship and doctrines?

PastorAIO:
A gospel that can only be advanced with lies is a HELL of a gospel indeed.

You are very correct my dear!
I believe it too

italo:
Regurgitating lies...no proof.

Rev fr edeh narrated what he went thruogh in the hands of bishops and priest when he wants to establish his ministry.

I know the persecution he went through was lies?

Rev fr Njoku was fed acid by rev frs,i know that is lies or you demand proof as usual?
Check your heart even when you are saying all these I believe a small vioce is speaking to you that you are wrong about your stance with roman pagan doctrines.

PastorAIO:
Can I take a guess about you? You are a guy that one day picked up a book (a rare event) on catholicism and history. The book filled you with awe and wonder because you had never had information like that before in you life. it was written simply so even simpletons could understand, in fact the entire thing was directed towards simpletons.

Being filled with awe and wonder you read the book once again and let it's contents sink in, and then you passed it to a friend and he too was filled with awe and wonder. Throughout this whole process you didn't once seek to verify the information in the book, everything in it seems so filled with information from another world, it seemed so authoritative. Once you got the gist of the book its ideas took root in your brain and took on a life of their own. You yourself started to invent amazing information sprouting from your own mind.

You found a community of people who would share in the awe and wonder of this unverified historical information. together you supported each other in the unverified delusions. Thus here we are today, you've come to a public forum to share the misinformation without backup and when you are questioned about it you have no answer. Shame.

You can guess anything as far as it makes you happy. But do know that what am condeming here is what I have taught people,defended and believed for years.
Italo was mild when compared to me because I was mixture of traditional and carismatic catholic just as italo.
But a day come I realized that I was wrong because something keep telling me these I believe were wrong.
We read those books but something covered our eyes to believe they were true.

I believe one day you will see italo come out and what condemn these he has defended.

italo:
Regurgitating lies...no proof.

Jesus said He will avenge for all the saints catholic killed.
I know that one is lie too. That your church didnt kill anybody and Pope John Paul 2 and Francis where apologizing in vain because they want to unite all christian sects?