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btoks:
Tell me,how does the Catholic Church lead people to worship satan?
by the way, where do you expect catholics to go after they leave the CC? I'm assuming it's your church - what's the name of your church?

Am not here to speak ill of catholic church of which am a member though not in the order of Rome but in the order of Israel(Apostles) but am here approve that we have good catholic members and priest like I was before but the main problem is that the system will not help you to depend on Christ for your salvation.
A friend of mine sent me some list of things Mary can do for her and I told her that if Mary can do all these you don't need Jesus.

Am against the roman,Anglican,redeemed,Pentecostal,etc system not members but Christ system is only approved.

They later converted roman feasts, traditions, wears as official church ceremonies as ;
1) The worship of sun god to Christ-mass.

2)The 40 days fast in wait of Semiramis whom pig killed or so to wait for his resurrection(by ancient Babylon) was now turned into Ishtar (Easter), though Christ has given us only one celebration to do which is his death till he comes back.

3) Now instead of Repentance-water baptism, Holy Ghost baptism and Sanctification they introduced;
Baptism - Holy Eucharist - Confirmation - Holy Orders - Extreme Unction - Penance - Matrimony which anybody can do easily without Gods spirit or repentance.

4) Acient Rome has some rituals they perform where they convert the body of cow into the real body of a god.
The invoked John 6:40-56 to mean that you goto market you buy bread and the priest will invoke God into the bread and people will start worshiping and today that is the center of catholic worship because you must see God you are worshiping. They will kill you if you start telling them how real communion is to be done.

5) Priest everywhere now dress like roman prince, bishop now dress like roman king, cardinal(Prince of the church) now Hair apparent to pope.

6) Now what is the color of that bread and what is that which is called monstrance which they used to carry it.
I have seen unleavened bread and its color but where did catholic church got disc like (moon like) bread and sun/eye like monstrance?
They still want to point you to moon/sun (Jer 44:19).

7) Any catholic priest who tries to revert some of these things, they will persecute you until they throw you out of catholic church.
Tell me any saint of God catholic church didn't persecute.
Go and ask Rev Fr edeh, Njoku,Mbaka etc what they passed through because their catholic system wants to remove Pentecostal power from the church completely such that they will now make a church(a gathering of the corpse by Rev Fr Njoku) and you think they are Christians.

You have to acknowledge that something has gone wrong in the churches(catholic, Pentecostal,winner,alike), but it is better you become a christian before you starting looking for church to join. There God will point to you the church God has taught the pastor what you lack and when to leave that church he will tell you until you become like him.

No church name will ever save you! The argument about we are the only this and that of course you know it came from from devil to keep you with things that will never give you salvation.

emmaitive:
Roman catholic is a force doctrine that indirectly lead people to worship satan without knowing...pls if u are dea come out nw, before it will be too late

That original church that was formed in the Upper room was the same original church that went to Rome now see what happened.
Devil apply 3 dimensions when he is targeting a revival and they are thus;

1. He will try to kill ,destroy and steal from you with all manners of intimidation and offering of substitute with money, hunger, threat, blackmail . But if the revivalist was not touched,

2. He will withdraw waiting and a kind of encouraging you till those that brought that revival all died: Joshua 24:31[b] And Israel served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that overlived Joshua, and which had known all the works of the LORD, that he had done for Israel. [/b]

3. He will come and mix up the left over of that revival and become their leader and gradually replaces all those thing done by those that brought that revival which waxed them strong and replace them with man-made version.

The same thing devil tactics was applied to the church that came from Israel. Devil tried to kill,maim, destroy, etc Christians but they still wax strong, he withdraw and started encouraging them until all the apostles died. He went and gave vision to king Constantine who used to kill Christians as vision of cross after which the man became christian and forced everybody whether pegan,heathen,etc to become christians and they conveyed council in AD 325-328, by that council foundation of marriage between church and devil was lain spiritually.

Continued...

italo:
That the Catholic Church compiled and canonized the bible is an undeniable fact. No matter how many paragraphs it takes you to dance around the truth, it will never change.

The bible is part of the gospel of the Catholic Church.

If catholicism is false gospel, its bible would be false too.

Ok,I dont want to go into that,since we are all human beings claiming we love Jesus or Jesus is for us,I now ask,how can this claim give you salvation?

Jews made claim that they have Jelusalem that is only place to worship,they have moses,abraham and even Jesus came from Jews(which is true),the woman that Jesus met was claiming that it is at the mountain(which is true) but Jesus said they only claim you should make is that you worship God in spirit and in truth.

I would wish you make those claims that will make your listeners learn something on how to draw closer to Christ.

Syncan:
1 John 2:2 "And He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the world."

Let me copy the 1 John 2:1-5

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Get Romans 3:23-26

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Heb 2:17
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the(people that are known -ie people that believe) people.

If you compare this bible verses you will balance the scripture and you will determine that faith in Christ Jesus needed for the remission because you put your faith in whom you know and your sins forgiven if only you know you have wronged someone and repented of it and asked for forgiveness.

If you mean because it is said our sins and that of the whole meaning that a hindu will still be a hindu and not believing Jesus and his sins be remitted then you are preaching ecumenism and we don't believe in that.

Whether you are hindu,pagan,Muslim,catholic,Anglican, Pentecostal, etc, the blood of Jesus is ready waiting for anybody that will come under it for the remission of his/her sins, how; repent,baptize in the name of Jesus , he will confirm you by giving you Holy Ghost and then you begin to live a Holy life. Jesus is only standard for going for rapture(Eph 4:13).

There were many millions and millions of people during Noah but he destroyed all of them except Noah and family and you think God is looking at the world like you are quoting because you also think He has changed.

If you think because roman religion is over 1 billion and as they have polluted their system that God will waste time destroying them, you have to think twice. But before he destroys your roman system, He will use your system to confirm/sort those who are believers such that in doing that you would have gotten rotten very well for nothing but destruction, then he will destroy that cadge of every unclean birds.

As I watch I see so many new useless doctrines coming into the church/parishes just to raise money, business men/enterprise are using the number and are promoting their business, even if you say they should stop they will use their money to protect those doctrines to ensure that their business is selling.

God doesn't work with quantity but he works with quality!

italo:
If Catholicism is false gospel, then the Bible is false gospel because it was compiled and canonized by the Catholic Church.

Since rome was the world power managed information to suit their operations co-coordinating the most secured library in the world, you can make any claim you want in order to support your any of your doctrines hence tradition.
But am concerned about what matters,what matters is not who compiled the bible but who is worshiping God in Spirit and truth, that is how to know who compiled(understand) the bible.
Someone once praised the womb that gave birth to Jesus and he turned back and praised who heard Him and obeyed.

Jesus said to Martha;
Martha Martha you worry for many things that are not necessary for only one thing is necessary.
Italo, Italo you worry for many things that are not necessary for only one thing is necessary, that is what Jesus would have told you today.

However,I don't want to go into details of the church that was killing believers who is holding and reading bible and burning bible though they claim to have compiled it nor the church whose priest said publicly that if you read bible you will be mad and turn back quote one saint that said ignorant of the bible is ignorant of Christ such that they depend on lectionary from papa noster

Syncan:
1 John 2:2 "And He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the world." Does this look like Jesus death excludes anyone?

I have only put scriptures in your face.

Sorry I missed responding to this:

If you check 1 John 2:1 you will dicover that John was writing to his little children in faith,meaning that they have already believed.

Now let us reconcile that scirpture with romans 3:23-26
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

You will understand that the All there John was writing to are those that believe in Jesus Christ.

Finally, the only righteous system and person is Jesus, my pastor,rev fr,pope,church is not neither did they die for me.

These titles: Holiness,his enimence, his grace,his lordship,rev fr are titles desiring worship. None of the apostles/desciples of Jesus Christ ever bear such titles nor ever desire worship.

Peter in the house of cornelius rebuked him not to fall to worship but rome encourage her members to Knel or fall on the ground and kiss pope's shoe or ring(bone of the saint) because he replaced peter.

Conclusion: Rev 13:16 and he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Mark on foreheads here is lieing teaching you heard,accepted and believed, mark on right hand here is the lieing teaching you recieve and by that you act( preach, promote, persecute or insult anybody who didnt believe you).

God bless the Bride of Jesus Christ who are waiting for His return.

Syncan:
@ bold, I give up. If according to your "revelations": Christ died for all; but shed his blood for some and not all, then no need for further discussion.

That is mystery of salvation. If you dont understand this verse(matt 26:28) then your salvation might be under asumption.

If you check my earlier statement I said we may never agree together because you study bible by roman filter just to defend rome(rev fr mbukama books are perfect example) instead of by revelation which will make you experince God and Christ and behold his face and be more like Him.

I did like you before until I discover it is another form of idol worship.
I used to claim some scriptures just to defend rome to put forward roman religion is only true church,though I dont believe nor understand them.
But we know God is watching what we claim here and there and may use it to Judge me and you.

martooski:
I just reread this and was wandering why Apostle Paul did not add "and the Scriptures" did he forget or there where none available.

Do you think tradition there means roman tradition?
I read few catholic book esp Fr Mbukama(Sorry if mis-spelt it), he used that passage to support roman tradition.

No! which tradition? Ways/manners of Christian behavior; Tradition of Holiness, tradition of being in bond of peace, tradition of long suffering etc, these are the way Apostles do things encouraging one another.

Whatever tradition you are inculcating must not contradict the written Word else it comes from anti-Christ spirit.
Matt 15:2,Colossians 2:8 ,2 Thessalonians 3:6 ,Mark 7:9,1 Peter 1:18 means there are wrong tradition people can hold on to.
It is that tradition we are speaking against.

Syncan:
Sorry. The fold has one faith, One Lord, One Baptism, It is not All Join.

One Faith
Christ died for us because of our sin, was buried,on the third day he resurrected, on the fortieth day he ascended into heaven, on fiftieth day he came down on those that believe. That is good news, apostolic faith and that is One faith we preach.

One Lord
We have only one person who could save me from damnation and He is Jesus Christ. Because he died for me God now made him both Lord and Savior(Acts 2:36). Why because he died for me. So nobody has right to say Jesus Belongs to him or his religion.

One Baptism
Since he died for our sin, yes a propitiation for our sins yes, you need to acknowledge his death and come to repentance that you will not commit the same sin again that took Him Calvary else you will crucify him again and you know God does not do His things twice.

Now you have repented, show it. After you have shown you have repented then he will confirm that you that you have truly repented by giving you baptism of the Holy Spirit that will cause you to do his will, you will be His son and he will be your Father.

That is why Paul said in Eph 4:1-6,I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

So he was not talking to catholic of Rome.

Syncan:
This is Jesus words in Matt. 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now I repeat my question to you: was the blood of Christ shed for all mankind or are there some He didn't shed it for?

Bible said in Hebrews 10:4(It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.)
What kept us in this condition is sin coming from Adam.

If you want to know those he shed his blood for is by asking what is the blood of Christ for?
The life of flesh is in the blood, that is why a condition is placed on those that will receive it.
What is that condition repentance and forgiveness of sin.

Someone who doesn't believe that he has sinned does not ask for forgiveness, that is why he said it is shed for you and for many because before your sins are forgiven you must acknowledge that Christ was flogged and killed because of our sins, then you repent of those sins by outward sign of water baptism for inward grace of forgiveness.

Syncan:
You said "he died for us all", doesn't it mean "he shed his blood for us all"?

Titus 2:11-13 says For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,...
How many people will receive it?

Christ also said John 12:31-32 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.


How many people will come lifting up their holy hand as they serve God?

So Christ has provided opportunity equally for all of us such that if you now insist and refused to believe then the cup he went through on the cross will be against and you will never be forgiven.

For he know their heart, that is why he said in matt 26:28 that this blood was shed for you(who have believed) and me and you( who will believe later) for the forgiveness of our sins.

Syncan:
You said "he died for us all", doesn't it mean "he shed his blood for us all"?

No they are not same.

It is like saying righteousness(Christ's) and Holiness(Yours) are the same. So Christ has given us His righteousness, then we need to live a holy life. That is why bible said without holiness no eye will see God.

What is the blood for?
The blood is for the cleansing of sin. Every year high priest takes the blood of animal and offer for sin. But that animal blood only covers sin but does not take away sin that is why you have to do that every year or as often.

But the better blood has come, the blood of Jesus the righteous one who has no sin and he cleanse our sin once. That is why catholic church teach that baptism has seal on your soul that you don't need to repeat.

Yes it is talking about the blood, one you come under the blood, your sins are forgiven. It is not enough that he died, you have to believe, repent and be baptized( Ezekiel 36:24-25) and he will give you His Holy Spirit and cause you to do what please him(Ezekiel 36:26-28).

Aside forgiveness of sin none of these is possible.

Syncan:
"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 2Cor.5:15


Stop confusing yourself, Christ died for all.

Yes He died for us all(what unbelievers enjoy today is because of his death) but his blood will not cleanse your sin if you are not under the blood.
How would you be under the blood, repent, baptize such that your sins will be forgiven(act 2:38)?

It is instruction given by Christ, God said blood of bull doest satisfy him, now Christ offered his own body as a propitiation to those that believe

Believe/repentant here is key to your forgiveness of sins else you are damned why because your sins are not forgiven and those who pray with their sins not forgiven are like filthy rag.

If you mean Christ died for all is also Christ have saved/redeemed all, then no need for judgement as God said he a consuming fire.
if you said Christ died for all means forgiveness why do you then have confession before communion and restrict that to only catholic who believe.

It means salvation has condition, only those that believe,they are only those that should share in his body.
If I start explaining the meaning on sharing the body Christ you will still challenge me because that has a very significant spiritual dimension and the greatest ritual on the surface of the earth.

That is why you have to discern this His body before you eat else you get death.

Syncan:
Simple. To Partake in the body and blood of Jesus requires conditions. Don't you even read scriptures? 1Cor.11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

The death of Christ is for all, but to feed of his body and blood there are conditions, else it brings damnation.

Yes that is why remission of sins must not be for all but those that repent, believe and are baptized.
That is why bible said it, that it is shed for you and for many that believe after you such that their sins will forgiven.
It was from that understanding that catholic draw that analogy.

However you cant eat what you dont know nor understand else you might be giving what is holy to dogs.

What is not discerning the body of Christ? It is when your sins are not forgiven and you carry un-forgiveness, murder,rape, fornication etc to go and be part of Christ body. It is that that brings damnation.

Instead of using blood of goat to cleanse sin, Christ offered his own. So blood of Jesus is not for all but for only those that believe and are baptized.

It is not everybody that will believe and be baptized, but as many as believe and are baptized shall be saved. That means their sins shall be forgiven and they will be brought to be part of God's household by his redemption . So anytime they want to commit or committed, God will chastise them to bring them to line such that devil will not accuse them just like God used Paul to peter in Gal 2

Syncan:
This is Jesus words in Matt. 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now I ask you how your so called revelation has interpreted this place for you: was the blood of Christ shed for all mankind or are there some He didn't shed it for?

Bible is specifically talking about those that have recognized that blood of Jesus was shed for them and are seeking for salvation after repentance whose whose sins are forgiven (act 2:38), that is why before you receive holy communion you go for confession to affirm you believe and sins forgiven(according to catholic) , hence that is why after holy communion( in public places like crusade ground etc) catechist will announce that the mass is for all but the holy communion is for only those that believe and are practicing catholic...

Is that clear now?

Syncan:
Lol, Jesus wasn't stupid to establish a church. The apostles were not stupid to ensure they are together under one faith, one baptism. They were not insane to establish Churches under bishops and deacons and write them telling them to preach same things they have heard from them. Anything different is... anathema.

Truly that is what you need to tell catechism or marriage course members not for those who have being taken out the heathen and cadge of all unclean birds into the land where he can change their heart and give them Holy Ghost and call them Sons and Him Father.

Check the scripture you will see duties of bishops(ministers), deacons and apostles, prophets, teachers,pastors and see if it has any semblance to what is done today in the roman religion.

Everything Christ has made spiritual has been turned into physical such that they will let man head it instead of Christ, that is spirit of anti-christ.


You reminded me the word anathema which they invoked to kill many believers of Christ,I don't know anybody of roman religion still use that cursed word.

Syncan:
You're telling me the truth right? Just look around you, look at the mess your personal truths have put Christendom. When Christ said obedience is better than sacrifice, He knows what he was saying. Not every Jewish believer agreed with the decision of the council in acts 15 about circumcision. Whoever does not agree was left on his own and regarded as teaching error, because the church has spoken and what she binds on earth is bound in Heaven. All your personal truths can wait, multi dimensional and constantly multiplying as they are, their author is not the Holy Spirit. It's lame for anyone to use that phrase "what you've been told since you were born" for me, when I have taken you round scripture on my own, opening your eyes to things you were blind to before now. It's typical of protestants when they have nothing else to say. It is left for you to tell yourself the truth, that you knew little or nothing about the Church's teachings, you should have sought for understanding and knowledge, before taking up the stones of condemnation. It's not my fault if you don't see any link, you've been busy seeking what you think is why they are not linked. I will implore you, if you've heard something new from me, if I have explained anything in a way you didn't know of before, then take out time to learn more, you'll surely be amazed. The gates of hell is ferocious against the church now, but the Church will not be defeated. It's a promise from Christ.

Bible is not for any personal interpretation but by Holy Ghost.
Catholic church have advanced their religion, they used force to conquer in the beginning, when the word of God struck them, they now change to catch them young,they start early filling a child with most advanced error in human history. With number as clay they can claim, propagate anything. Business men and politicians are attracted to intensify your error to still help them make more business.

The problem in Christianity(Pentecostal,catholic,bride etc) today is cause by devil through rome and nobody else. If you say otherwise you will look at Paul as failure because after converting turkey and now it is over 90% non-christian.
You need to allow liberty of Spirit and allow God to pick his own.

50million sperm cells(human beings) but 49.999 million helped one to get the uterus.

God is using you to check if am a Christian, because one of the worst spiritual discussion you will ever have is with a roman member except they have issue and their Fr cant help them.

Syncan:
This scripture has kept me in the fold of Christ, a son of the: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Praise God!

I said praise God with you because we believe the same if you really know the meaning of what you have professed. If you do you wont counter my statements instead you advance it if you have more experience than me in the Holy Ghost.

When you talk about FOLD OF CHRIST,ONE,HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH, this simply means bride of Christ, if you understand these you cannot have a signboard somewhere depending it as church Christ is building but in the altars of your heart.

The church there is the assembly of those whose heart has been the altars of God (1 cor 6:19).

You know the altar you see in your catholic church or else where is simply where people can stay such that others can see him hence podium anything outside that is shrine. The altar is in your heart where God prepared by the Holy Ghost to dwell.

martooski:
Going back to the topic we have contributed on me as a Proud Catholic says the ('Roman Catholicism A False Gospel? ') [b]the Church is not a Gospel but The Church of Christ Himself. [/b]We have tried to prove it through numerous Scriptural verses.... But again not many we believe or even learn.

We have spoken and without further argument i think its best we close this trend. God continue to bless us and be merciful to us all.

Vivi d' amore

The best is for you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for God to give you Holy Ghost.
Why do you need to repent: You need to repent from all your sins, (not to sin and rush to priest for the same sin over and over again) and decide to follow Christ and do baptism according to Act 2:37-38. When you do that Ezekiel 36:24-28 process will step in. When you have Holy Ghost he will lead you into all truth and you begin to live the life that pleases him. Another sign is; Once you sin He strike or expose or take your peace such that you will pay for that sin immediately so no need of looking for rev fr. to confess your sin.

That baptism you did when you were infant was child dedication not correct baptism according scripture since you need to repent first!

Personal Experience: I was saying rosary one day and a hand draw me painfully, I discover that pain wasn't physical but spiritual enough to draw my attention, and a voice called my name and said "WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?" I stopped my rosary and started challenging the voice that Rev Fr Mbaka says rosary everyday and you can see what he does, that Pope John Paul 11 also now he is a saint and they voice didn't talk to me again.

It was later that I recognize that voice. Surprisingly, I had this experience after one of the crusade organized by Later Rev Fr Njoku in the north and he was teaching us about Holy Ghost also that we should not go places for laying on hands but we can pray and receive Him if He desires in our rooms why because anti-Christ spirit is everywhere.

What is this teaching us: We must have a personal experience about this Jesus, not what your pastor, priest, pope tells you. It is that revelation of whom Jesus is that gates of hell cannot prevail.

Apostle John said what we have touched, we felt and we saw is what we are talking about - paraphrased (Acts 4:20,1 John 1:1-3).

easymancfc:
on the scripture part, the scriptures was made by the church and for the church... not the other Way around... the church came first before new testament scriptures were compiled...
one thing of note is that the letter to the Corinthians was primarily for the Corinthians and the letter to the Colossians was primarily to the Colossians and the letter Thessalonians was primarily to the Thessalonians to address all the problems they were facing.... One more thing Worthy of note is that they were all waiting for Jesus to return, they didn't even think the world will last to this time...

This guy has been taught poorly, or he has a poor understanding... He has closed himself to what he missed.. and he thinks he has the full revelation now so I rest my case.. am tired of going to and fro with him...


All the best to him..

You are right! The bible was compile by the church and for the church and that church is Universal Body of Christ not Universal Body of Rome.
All the letters to ; Corinthians,Colossians,Thessalonians etc were not to them only but the entire body of Christ. If you study bible like that you go after letter instead of the spirit of the bible and you will continue to depend on pope than Christ whose spirit approved everything we see today as bible.
Who compile bible doesn't matter but who obey the word of God and keep it else you become and sign post where people look and be going to heaven while remain where you are.

Syncan:
You're telling me the truth right? Just look around you, look at the mess your personal truths have put Christendom. When Christ said obedience is better than sacrifice, He knows what he was saying. Not every Jewish believer agreed with the decision of the council in acts 15 about circumcision. Whoever does not agree was left on his own and regarded as teaching error, because the church has spoken and what she binds on earth is bound in Heaven. All your personal truths can wait, multi dimensional and constantly multiplying as they are, their author is not the Holy Spirit. It's lame for anyone to use that phrase "what you've been told since you were born" for me, when I have taken you round scripture on my own, opening your eyes to things you were blind to before now. It's typical of protestants when they have nothing else to say. It is left for you to tell yourself the truth, that you knew little or nothing about the Church's teachings, you should have sought for understanding and knowledge, before taking up the stones of condemnation. It's not my fault if you don't see any link, you've been busy seeking what you think is why they are not linked. I will implore you, if you've heard something new from me, if I have explained anything in a way you didn't know of before, then take out time to learn more, you'll surely be amazed. The gates of hell is ferocious against the church now, but the Church will not be defeated. It's a promise from Christ.

God has converted his blessings into spiritual dimension for safe keeping. The church you mentioned has been defeated already if your are referring to roman religion but spiritual church gates of hell cannot prevail against it because that church is Christ's body and devil is afraid of truth that is why devil prefers to use number,politics,powers,fame and money in order to conquer and cover the truth.

I saw books about the behaviors various pope in history and what it looks like, we know evils done by many priests in white cassock, if you are referring to that church you see its parishes everywhere as the church gates of hell will not prevail then your eyes must been closed with double layer blindness. That is what I have been trying to remove from you by interpreting bible with revelation not by letter or cover up.

Syncan:
Oga, it is a different thing to pray for, and a different thing to die for, it is no doubt that Jesus prayed for different people at different times, but it is a lie against scripture to claim that he didn't die for all.

Sorry, it is not revelations that interprete scriptures for you, that's why there are thousand and one interpretations claiming Holy spirit say..... Scripture itself tells you how to interprete... "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction".2Pet.3:16. Did you see that? First you have to be learned, you must have been taught the truth. Then you must be stable, you must have been tested and proven. Now where do you find the truth and who tests? 1Tim 3:15..... the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

When did the church change to Latin Mass? Both old and New order of Mass are still celebrated in the Church. Stop saying what you don't know, it is bearing false witness, God be with you.

Now why do you request that only catholic members should come out and receive holy communion instead of all?
I will come back later to scripture quoting Gods grace, am only using what we see day to day to see if I can open your eye such that you will know that roman system is really is.

martooski:
MUST YOU ALWAYS PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE.... THEY HAVE PUT FACTS AT YOUR FRONT YOU TURN THE MATTER TO SPIRITUAL... PLS FACE YOUR CHALLENGE

Sorry what it the facts put forward before?
Bible said For you and for many(matt 26) and for you and for all are the same even when bible clearly stated that the remission of sin is for many not for all, the roman has used that for ages whereas Moses(Num 20:11) was asked to hit the staff once and he hit twice, we saw his consequence.

But why after Holy communion you will request that only catholic church will come and receive, that is the fact they have presented?
Note: the books they read I equally read it too where they twisted scriptures to defend roman religion we are all know the source of that power.

Syncan:
God bless you. The sower only sows, he does not determine how it grows. In some soil it grows a hundred fold, in some it dies of thorns, while in some it is matched under foot. Matt.13:4

The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way. Psalm 25:9

You are right because I believe the scripture too. He guided me out of the cadge of all unclean birds.

Syncan:
1 John 2:2 "And He is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the world." Does this look like Jesus death excludes anyone?

I have only put scriptures in your face.

Am praying for them but not for the world John 17 esp vs 7-8, how about the scripture?
If you see such scriptures you know that you need revelation to understand them, the bible said the wise shall understand.

Then why did the church change to Latin Mass, maybe it will help understand?

Syncan:
When you respond just try and write yours in paragraphs, rather than breaking up my posts, It is normally difficult for me to follow up when my posts are broken. You may as well number your points or itemize if you want.

The impression I get is that I am telling you facts and you are choosing to hold on to whatever you've been fed with. All the councils are same, it only held at different time, in different places, by different people and for different challenges. "By their fruits ye shall know them" says scripture, what Church can boast of her children over the years more than the Catholic Church, and just like in the days of the apostles, God continues to show his approval by Miracles. Her saints and their legacies adorn the earth like sweet aromatic flowers.

Hahaha, the truth is that Joseph and Mary ran to Egypt to hide God the son from a mere creature. If you know this and still have faith, you will see what some members of the church did at that time; and still have faith.

On Peter, I have told you the truth and you said No, it changes nothing at all, Jesus told the Jews that He is from Yawheh and they did not only say No, they killed him. Has that stopped it from being true?

Ok, thanks for telling me how you want your post. Was doing that to tell you what am responding to.
However I found it difficult to respond to your all claims because of scrolling up/down so I might missed covering your some of your claims.

You are telling me facts but am telling you the truth,Christ is hiding himself in simplicity.
However, I don't see any link between Peter and Pope, in ministry or in character or in following Jesus or in scripture.

Who are you to correct the whole Catholic church? But we do know that if Christ were to come to catholic church now they will stoned him out(your priest said).

Am not changing your believe system because it not possible because this is what you have been told since you were born but am sharing with you line of thought hoping it will help you someday, 2years or 5years maybe.

martooski:
HONESTLY YOU GUYS HAVE TRIED, BUT THOSE WHO HAVE EARS HAVE HEARD ALREADY. i SALUTE YOU COURAGE, BENEDICTUS AND THE OTHER FELLOW, LEARNT ALOT FROM THE COMMENTS SO FAR

If you are within the framework as I was you will not find anything wrong in what they are saying, you will praise it but soon you will discover disjointed claims, then you start asking questions.

They first person they will refer you to is Martin Luther, meaning what they did to him awaits you.

Syncan:
I understand where you're going, however, Sola Scriptura chanters do not want to hear. Sometimes it's necessary to teach them that the Scripture is ours and the interpretation repose in the church. Many of them have never heard scripture clearly explained as they do from reading our posts here, that's the first time they hear authentic teachings as the church has taught over the years. So most times, I do not shy away from using scripture and confounding them.

That is where the whole error comes in. If you say that interpretation of bible repose in your church to do what with?
The bible said hour is coming when the true worshipers will worship God in (catholic,Anglican, Pentecostal) No! in spirit and truth.
No more Jerusalem nor any mountain anywhere but in Christ Jesus.

Syncan:
In as much as i find it a bit difficult keeping this discuss in line because of your constant delving into things you know little about, I will try my best to simplify my explanations for the sake of anyone who genuinely wants to know, and that people may not be misled.

I decided to correct you on the name Vatican because that was the second time you were posting and used Vertican. I ignored the first as typo error, but when it came a second time with same spelling, I now had to make correction of an obvious wrong spelling. I have told you Vatican is a place, but you keep holding on to falsehood. Councils are named after the place they were held thus: Jerusalem council was held in Jerusalem,Council of Ephesus was held in Ephesus, Nicaea Councils 1&2 were held in Nicaea, Vatican councils 1&2 were held in Vatican. You may continue to hold on to what you like, I have already informed you.

It is my sincere advice to you not to start an argument or take a position based on the headlines you read from the media, try and read the contents, often time the contents aren't what the headlines suggest. I have tried to enlighten you on what it means "There is no salvation outside the Church" but you wouldn't listen. I have given you an example with "Salvation is of the Jews" in scriptures while same scriptures talked about the possible salvation of those who don't have the Law. The church has Catechism of the Catholic Church, have you gone through that book before? The church doesn't hide her teachings, it is there in print for all to read, that is why your sin is more than those who are illiterates; and only condemn the church based on what they hear others say. Here is what the Church teaches on the issue:

"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it". CCC 846


You talk about the Ebola issue out of poor knowledge about God. The church Knows God very well, and the church has a duty towards her children of little faith as well...So if you were Joseph and Mary who ran with Jesus to Egypt because of ordinary Herod, Matt.2 you will start to doubt that Jesus is God. You see, despite your antagonisms the Church knows God more than you, I will leave it at that example alone. The world as a whole bear witness to the heroics of the Church's sons and daughters in spreading the good news to the ends of the earth, It is a mandate Christ gave her and she will continue to deliver till her groom appears.

Lest I forget, on the words of consecration whether "many" or "All", it means same. Christ died for all says St. Paul "And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again." 2Cor.5:15. Christ's death did not exclude anyone, the whole world was involved, it's all over scripture the use of many when all was meant. I do not want to make this post too long.

If you say many and all are same then case closed.

Syncan:
In as much as i find it a bit difficult keeping this discuss in line because of your constant delving into things you know little about, I will try my best to simplify my explanations for the sake of anyone who genuinely wants to know, and that people may not be misled

Truly, anything outside catholic church means you have left the faith and you are being mis-lead. Those who bolted to error whill listen and hear you and follow your teaching. Catholic church used force but now bible is free, easy to read, so nobody can inform us improperly.

I decided to correct you on the name Vatican because that was the second time you were posting and used Vertican. I ignored the first as typo error, but when it came a second time with same spelling, I now had to make correction of an obvious wrong spelling. I have told you Vatican is a place, but you keep holding on to falsehood. Councils are named after the place they were held thus: Jerusalem council was held in Jerusalem,Council of Ephesus was held in Ephesus, Nicaea Councils 1&2 were held in Nicaea, Vatican councils 1&2 were held in Vatican. You may continue to hold on to what you like, I have already informed you.

You are very right! what was decided at those councils compare it to what was decided at Nicaea councils and Vatican council, you will understand that very problem of the church started then. Noone has the monopoly of knowledge.[/quote]

It is my sincere advice to you not to start an argument or take a position based on the headlines you read from the media, try and read the contents, often time the contents aren't what the headlines suggest. I have tried to enlighten you on what it means "There is no salvation outside the Church" but you wouldn't listen. I have given you an example with "Salvation is of the Jews" in scriptures while same scriptures talked about the possible salvation of those who don't have the Law. The church has Catechism of the Catholic Church, have you gone through that book before? The church doesn't hide her teachings, it is there in print for all to read, that is why your sin is more than those who are illiterates; and only condemn the church based on what they hear others say. Here is what the Church teaches on the issue:

Yes I agree with you. I didn't physically see any hidden thing in the church by the knowledge God has given me.

The only thing that catholic keep secret is the revelation of whom Jesus Christ is and they don't want anybody to know it. Many people who tried to know it were driven out of the church and termed them heretics.

However, who will let us access to roman library such that we will know what went wrong through this history that reduced roman to formalized organized.

"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it". CCC 846


You talk about the Ebola issue out of poor knowledge about God. The church Knows God very well, and the church has a duty towards her children of little faith as well...So if you were Joseph and Mary who ran with Jesus to Egypt because of ordinary Herod, Matt.2 you will start to doubt that Jesus is God. You see, despite your antagonisms the Church knows God more than you, I will leave it at that example alone. The world as a whole bear witness to the heroics of the Church's sons and daughters in spreading the good news to the ends of the earth, It is a mandate Christ gave her and she will continue to deliver till her groom appears.

Most times I hear some people say church teaches this and that, I need to see fruit of those things, but you will not see.
I have gone through RCC catechism and taught it also but its discussion it is for another day, it is not good to talk about so many topics at time.

Jesus went Egypt to fulfill a scripture as you see in the cause of roman solder piecing the side of Jesus Christ.
Maybe allowing laymen to receive Holy communion on hands is to fulfill a scripture please do let us see the scripture it fulfills and case will be closed.

However, am calling your attention to the reason why we discuss, we discuss because you said peter is the head of universal church Christ is building and I said NO!