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italo:
It is not in my place to bring proof of the nonsense you say.

If I say luckyCO killed a man last year, should I tell you to prove you didnt?

And if you cant prove it, should it be concluded that you are guilty?

Or should I, the accuser bring proof, and if I cant, my accusation should be dismissed?

Think, for once.

You dont believe all I said. I have given you evidence that your church has long left Apostolic teaching and settled to man made doctrine but you said you are the only church but you have not proved it except quoting bible verses which you dont know the meaning and insulting people here and there.

Ubenedictus:
so you were taught in your church that only the elect are xtians and you didn't bother to check its truthfulness abi? Sorry to inform you the kingdom on earth has both wheat and tares. Not just the elect.

When I talk church here am specific about church Christ is building.
Local assembly is quaries to the body Christ is building.
Yes it has tares and wheat but they cant be part his body except you have Him in you teaching you to be like Him.

italo:
Another set of lies. Mr "Christian," working for satan, the father of lies.

Am not surprised at your comments, reason is that devil do not die, you clean the tomb of the prophets your popes has killed.

Your respond remind me how catholic of Rome persecuted and killed every believe who refused to hold on to roman pagan worship.
But God has revived the church Rome has lost their political power, no longer pope to confirm kings over nations. The sword(Word of God) has struck the power of Rome so we can speak freely and be heard.
But pope will late take over the world as it was before but you have to wait after we have raptured.

italo:
So today, the true Church of God does not exist?

And are you saying you dont know who compiled the Bible, and when it was compiled?

Now tell more lies: 1, 2, 3...Go!

What makes a church true before God?

italo:
Still no proof of anything.

I also expect you to show me a prove that what I say is not true.
Am waiting....

italo:
Still no answer...just more lies.

Your church managed and written history for many years because they are the world power.
So ask them to tell you the truth but if then fail ask Holy Ghost you will surpised what you will hear.
If I give you date your people may have changed it and you in turn call me a lie again.

Most of my submission I use your quotes and statements and you have not denied any.

italo:
When did they compile the bible?

And who and who were involved?



If Catholic Charismatic Renewal, Efac and Pentecostals are the true Church that Christ built, why do they preach thousands of contradictory doctrines?

Now avoid my questions and tell more lies.

1,2,3...Go!

Your church knows the truth but they hide it with fear that her church members will revolt against them. Some of our teachers call it Holy lies during our cathecism days.

If you watch my submission in this threat you will hear me keep saying that the church Christ is building is spiritual not the names we know today those names are quaries to the true church of God.

Because the foundation of God stands sure,God knows those who are his own.

Concerning their doctrinal differences you will see the same thin devil did to rome is still his stance against every revival.

When Catholic Catismatic revewal started you cant sin and come in their misdst,someone will will shout your name and say what you did but check today.

Devil has his field day because his time is short and we know that gates of hell cannot previal against the Church because that church is hidden in Christ and in God. Even if the church everywhere is in a mess,God will do another revival to save those who are willing.
So devil can do anything(kill,teach error,blackmail,dupe,destroy,steal,multiply wordly churches,change church to business center etc) but that cant stop God from saving His children.
Happy sunday!

Ubenedictus:
this is a lot of wheat mixed with tares. What u just taught is calvins heresy...d so called church of d elect.

God is not under anybody's doctrinal framework.
I wish you loosen yourself in order to know and identify with statement that is true instead of who said it.

You called them heresy and all that. If what I said above is heresy them imagine how truth will look like.

It is not good term a teaching herectical because person doesnt believe all your church teaches.

PastorAIO:
Please at what point in history, after withdrawing and regrouping, did Satan join the church to mix up everything and become their leader? Just the year will do. And why was God so powerless to rebuff this attack?


And please, what is the problem with semantics exactly? You make it sound like a dirty word.



Are you suggesting that one shouldn't strive to get the meaning of a text?

Sorry am typing with my phone so I might not be able to get your quotes and answer them.

Your has church every date in their possesion.
1. They know when Jesus was born but they tell us it is 25th dec.

2. They know what is Holy communion but they choose to worship it.

3. They know that there is nothing like pope,cardinal,archibishop,bishop,mosignor,rev fr hiracy in Church but they added it.

4. They know whom Mary is but they choose to include her as a medium to get to Christ.

5. Popes know that Christ sent apostle Paul to us but they choose to hold on to peter succession.

6. They know Christ is our mediator but they brought man in between.

7. When christians started bearing titles like His holiness,his eminence,his grace,his lordship etc.

No need you ask me dates,ask your priest he will provide dates when all these happen them you will know when rome ask Holy Ghost out of the church and devil took over.

God doesnt force people like that,for if He does He will not be right to Judge you.

If you believe that there is dark ages,you might ask what caused it.

Sorry semantics is not bad but if see people leave the object of discussion and start argueing about mistakes in typing and dates and all of that. Maybe I used incorrect piece. Thanks for caling my atentionto that.

Ubenedictus:
i hope you know you just told lies you can't prove?

Of course you Know your books on pope's history and life says so.

Who painted devil black and Jesus white? We will find out later.

I know one day God will do something people will have access to roman library such that people will know the conspiracy that took place during dark ages by your popes/cardinals.

Ubenedictus:
THis is the question

Oya prove ur claim, who and who was using d
bible before the catholic church.


you can respond to it or just say you don't know. the long epistle doesn't provide the needed proof

You sometimes failed to understand my line of thought.
See it here and clear.
The same Church that was formed in the upper room was the same Catholic church(universal spiritual body of christ aka Christians) that got to rome,when they finished killing all the apostles and the direct followers,devil mixed up with the church and believers are no longer free to worship God hense dark age.

The same Catholic Church compiled the bible. What does pagan rome knew about God talk more of compiling or canonizing the bible!

The same Catholic Church travelled to USA,in 1906,the same Catholic church gathered and cried to God to revive the church and He did. The act gave birth to Catholic carismatic renewal of rcc which you are a member, Efac in anglican, and pentecostals etc today.
We can see Gods power again in full force in the church.
The same Catholic Church will stride everything to live their life as Christ wants it.
That same Catholic Church are few because they are most persecuted amonsgt Christian community so people dont like them.
They also seem controversal because they listen to Christ only.

The same Catholic Church will rapture and pope will take over.

I believe it is clear now.

Ubenedictus:
Oya prove ur claim, who and who was using d bible before the catholic church.

Please let us not argue on semantics.
That original church that was formed in upper room Isreal was the exact church that came to rome though rome spill their blood.

Killing Christians didnt exterminate the work of God,satan withdrew small and later joined the church and mixed up everything that is holy with roman pagan order and after doing that satan become their leader.
With the help of roman power and love of money they exported the mixture all over the world hence dark ages,placing man in charge of every aspect of salvation instead of Christ.

If you look at they way most rcc members worship,discuss,believe or teach you will get confused thinking whether they are christians or not.
St malachi prophesized this long ago.

Bible was compiled by the power of the Holy Spirit through Catholic Church(believers or Christians) that is why rome(some popes) get to heard about it they burnt bible and killed anybody found holding it except the priest.

Ubenedictus:
It is "the called out ONES" not one! that should clearly tell u the church is an group not an individual.

You are correct my dear!
Sometimes we dwell on semantics rather than line of thought someone is presenting.

Church is simply called out ones,assembling together to form Christ body. One person (part) cant form a body(church).

However that church start from being Christ's carrier that is why kingdom of God is within you.

I also agree with you that all Christ is he emptied inside his church so if you want truth look for that church.
Where is that church?
Those that server God in Spirit and truth.

But where I got problem with your doctrine is that you failed the foundational meaning of that church Christ is building in which he appointed Apostles,prophets,evangelists,pastors and teachers to overseer and these are not hierrachy but all are equal standing in their offices building the church christ assgned such that no sinner can be part of.

No single member of that can goto hell because they have been redeemed by the blood.

If you missed that foundation you will never come to the knowledge of the truth.

analice107:
I hope you realize that the Church is not a building or a crowd? The church is an individual. The Church is a revelation an individual has about the Lordship of Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit was given, He came on individuals specifically. He indwells people, talks to people who come together to form an assembly. When you keep mentioning " Church" you make it sound as though it's an entity, it's not. The Gathering called the Catholic Church or Living Faith, does not have the Holy Spirit, people inside these places are the carriers of the Holy Spirit.

Jesu said, "When two or three people (who are the carriers of his presence) are gathered in his name, he is present with them", that is the Church.

The Cburch is a Greek word 'Ecclesia", meaning the "CALLED OUT ONES", People who are called out for a purpose, to be different.

It is not the gathering but the People carrying his presence. And, the gathering is not called a church becos of how many years he has been around, it is upholding the truth as taught by the Master.

I am a Church, and you are a Church if you carry Him in you.

Very correct! No non carries of Holy Ghost is a member of Christ's church.
If we view church like you analyzed I believe most if not all christian problems today will be solved.

I suspect when church is mentioned people think of names we know today which are like quaries to the true church of Christ.

martooski:
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION...
THEY GO TO ANOTHER PRIEST

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/14/pope-francis-teaches-priests-how-to-hear-confessions/

Great,this is a good proof even with picture.
I used to think that they dont go to confession because our rev fr used to do TDB and the following morning is morning mass and it will not stop him from consecreting communion.

Since pope has shown it case closed,the rev fr will be judged.
Now we go back to origin of confession and explanating the scriptures you quoted in your defense.

italo:
What exactly is your grouse with the pope? Why are you ignorant protestants always scatterbrained?

Though you didnt answer any of my questions However,you said Pope replaced Apostle Peter.
Now am saying if that is true,Pope must be a true apostle of Jesus Christ with apostolic annoiting(2 cor 12:11-12) and occupying an apostolic office(foundation laying ministry).
Show pope's apostolic annointing and foundation he is laying now to confirm he is true apostle of Jesus Christ else lets move to other claims of your church.

oaroloye:
IS THAT REALLY WHAT THEY SAY?

Then any discussion should lead with THAT.



YOUR RANT DOES NOT MAKE GRAMMATICAL SENSE.

You seem to be saying that if I don't want us to talk about some clergyman's.concubine, I am also saying that the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH'S FALSE TEACHINGS should be ignored.

Perhaps you do not know that the Lord did not call us to JUDGE AND CONDEMN FIRST, but to PREACH THE GOSPEL?

No, you KNOW, but you IGNORE his Commandment to CLEAR THE BEAM FROM YOUR EYES before trying to pluck specks from your Brother's Eye.

Your inability to perceive this alleged SEX SCANDAL as UNIMPORTANT is a BEAM IN YOUR EYE.

I understand your submission truth is in both ways,however when you say fornication is bad you have judged.
When you say sex scandal is evil you have judged.
You cant preach the gospel without passing a certain degree of judgement.

I have never defendend sulieman neither do I support evil, am only saying truth will someday come out,if he is wrong he should apologize if not he should be thanking God and also am only calling your attention to the topic in question.

oaroloye:
What I really want to know is what "APOSTLE" SULEIMAN says about THE KINGDOM OF GOD- not his COURTSHIP STRATEGIES for landing his NEXT WIFE, and how they FAILED!

That is ok, but we are in public forum discussing about claims made by false church that they are the only true church.
If you say like this, it means what you are after is what pope/roman catholic says about the kingdom of God(no need you can find them in CCC), you are not concerned about their false doctrines, titles that are desiring worship,history and how it has landed many souls into hell such not to see reason to witness to catholics such that they can accept Christ fully without looking for a medium.

italo:
Ok, so if Apostle Suleiman teaches Stephanie how to commit adultery, you will pray for him...
But if Pope Francis fails to mention God at the UN, Catholicism becomes false gospel.

Your mind is being consumed by satan.

You have not truely ascertained that Evangelist Suleiman did what he was accused of, however, Suleiman has not come out to say he represent peter and his office is vicaris fili dei nor title himself his Holiness and his ministers; His Eminence, His grace,His Lordship,Rev fr, titles that desire worship.

Though I am not happy with him for not answering Evangelist which God call him into the five fold ministry to but decided to answer Apostle.

I don't think he ever made any of such claim else we would have asked him how or show me the link then we will respond to him, though what we are discussing here is not Suleiman you brought him in such to accuse him to make Pope righteous.
We have seen popes in history that are gay,murderers,smoker,drunkards, LovePeddler-mongers, pedophiles,illuminati etc, from a book written by catholic.

If you say Pope repents Apostle Peter that means pope is an Apostle, does he(pope) has apostolic anointing(2 cor 12:11-12) Or occupy Apostolic Office (1 Cor 3:11,1 Cor 10:3,Eph 2:20).

If he has Apostolic anointing, please show us via clip or apostolic office, please show us the foundation he is laying now.
But I can show you peter's apostolic anointing and his apostolic office (Foundation he laid).

italo:
Matthew 16:19 [RSV] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

1 Corinthians 5:3-5 I have already pronounced judgment in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. {see 5:1-2}
2 Corinthians 2:6-8, 10-11 For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough; so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him . . . Any one whom you forgive, I also forgive . . . in the presence of Christ, to keep Satan from gaining the advantage over us; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

The Pope/Catholic Church has the authority to forgive and retain sin. To grant indulgences too.

I dont want to go into the real meaning of the scriptures you quoted now but later I will explain them God grace.
Who do pope/bishops go to confession to?

italo:
Story, story! Lies go roundabout, truth goes straightfoward.

The question was:

When God forgave David but still killed the child of his adultery, was he harbouring unforgiveness?

Still awaiting the yes or no answer that liars and ignoramuses seldom give.

No sir,
God trying to purgate David that is why he killed that child(of adultery) that would have stood against him in the last day, because there is a law in Isreal that permit killing of bastards.

In this period of grace, God can purgate you by not answering your prayers in order to clean your mind to look upon him.
Paul is also an example,2 Cor 12:7-10.

So you have purgatory when you are still alive not when you die.

Christians have 3 sacraments(let me borrow your word) (Repentance-water baptism,Baptism of the Holy Spirit,sanctification) but roman religion added yeast(false doctrines) to these 3 to form 7sacarments (Baptism,holy Eucharist, confirmation,penance, extreme unction, holy orders and matrimony).
And today so many false doctrines has been added around these 7 sacraments which indulgence is one of them.

blackbriar:
Like I said ,indulgence isn't for forgiveness of sins,the sacrament of penance is

Yes, but we don't believe in the sacrament of penance as your church teaches, that is why the foundation of the doctrine was questioned.

Once you deviate small from the word of God, before 20years if you see what that little deviation would have caused you will not believe initially it was little deviation.

What was the origin of confession to priest aside those that quote Book of John to support it?
The confession to the priest was introduced in Rome as a way to know what is going on the colony that rome controls.
It is a way to spy on people to know what is going on in the land. If they want to know what is happening around a particular place the bishop will summon the priests around that location and question them (of course you know they are under oath of obedience to the bishop during ordination they will swear that oath) and the bishop will make report to rome, then she will make decision that will give her superiority over other nations.

italo:
This is what happens when ignorant protestants think they know bible more than the Catholic Church that created it.

When God forgave David but still killed the child of his adultery, was he harbouring unforgiveness?


Awaiting your yes or no answer that is never likely to come.

In the old testament the only way to take away evil from the midst of children of God is death, kill the person such that that evil will not spread among other Israelite.

But in this period of grace, God has given us His son through His name there is forgiveness, deliverance, instant miracles, justification, etc.

But after giving us His Son and you still didn't believe and wanting to crucify him twice then the full cup that Christ drank will be against the person.

You still have enough time to run to Christ instead of roman doctrines.

I believe in Catholic Church but I don't believe in Roman Religion. Check the tradition of the Catholic Church(Universal Body of Christ) before it get to Rome you will see it points people to Christ and Him crucified only because we are His bride, we are waiting till when our Husband(Christ) will come and marry us so we don't mix words with any other man else Christ will loose interest in us.

Why because the universe was created for Christ such that we will all(those that believed) be in Christ and Christ in God such that God will be all in all.

blackbriar:
Indulgence isn't forgiveness of sins,that the sacrament of penance,Indulgence is for punishment meant to be received for continous sinful acts after penance has been granted.
Pope benedict used to grant plenary indulgence to viewers of Papal mass.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(KJV).
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.(NIV)

If it is by catholic doctrine you are right, infact I have thought like that before but by the bible see my submission;

If you need indulgence it means you are not under blood and there is no way your sins can be remitted or taken away.
Anybody who continued to sin, it mean the love of the Father is not in him, he is by and large a child of the devil, by so you don't need your sins to be forgiven nor indulgence because you don't see anything wrong in them.

If pope has power to give you indulgence then you will have larger % of the member do whatever they need on the next papal mass you receive indulgence, then you don't need Christ. Pope will not be there when you are committing the said sin, so if you have more dependent of pope it is another form of idolatry. If you know that right there in your bedroom/market/heart etc Christ is there watching you, you will be very afraid to do anyhow talk more of intentional sin. Just like you cannot do anyhow before your fearful/lovable earthly father. That is how Holy Ghost works with believer.


Just like the way we think when we were small, "Let us finished and go to confession". And when we finish priest will give us say 3 hail Mary that is all, while some rev fr will warn you. But that act of confession to priest cannot remit your sins.
Many charismatic don't go to confession because they know it is anti-bible.

italo:
Is this your proof that Catholicism is false?

Protestant Leader, apostle Suleiman had a great opportunity to preach Christ and him crucified to Stephanie Otobo.

What did he do?

You are just jumping again to Pentecostal.
He that lives in glass house don't throw stones.

Then we are waiting for any of church members to come on public forum as this and say that outside Omega Fire Ministry no salvation or his church is only true church, and Suleiman received the keys from Christ and he is the one replacing peter, then people will ask him how!

I have watched the clips, truth will come out someday. I pray for Evangelist (the office God gave him not Apostle) Suleiman that God will see him through from this saga, even if he is guilty we have advocate that plead for our sins, for him being exposed might be a good thing for him because God chastises his own esp for other young ministers to learn great lessons and be very very careful.

But if he is not guilty!, he should go and start praising God because judgement will soon fall on the enemy of Christians in Nigeria sooner than you think.

blackbriar:
Yes....death once and judgement....Agreed and a catholic faith.
Purgatory isn't for souls condemned to hell,its for souls whom still need cleansing before entering God's abode.
That's the difference.
Death in mortal sin(e.g sucide) - hell
Which brings about the issue of indulgences

We are very much aware that their is nothing like indulgences(this is what rome( St Benedictine) used to reap the whole world of their money because they want to build St Peter church, had Martin Luther not started shouting a different world Rome would have created).

To bolt you to man(bishops,pope), they will tell you it is only them that can give it, so that anything they will tell you to do you will do to have it.

After a certain time a bishop came and our rev fr told us that bishop has release indulgence because we build our church house in less than a year or so and everybody was so happy that if anybody dies now straight to heaven. Can you imagine such a deception!

If I may use your word,indulgence happens only when you come under the blood of Jesus through repentance and correct water baptisms and He confirm that you have indulgence by giving you Holy Ghost, any sin you commit hereafter you pay for it because those whom He love He chastises.

A sin is either forgiven or not, you are not going to suffer for any sin forgiven anywhere except you mean God is harboring un-forgiveness.

onyenze123:
Calm down Na. What if I told you Catholic is a false gospel and Christianity is modern day paganism?

No! Churchianity is modern day paganism not Christianity.
What we commonly called Christianity is by and large churchianity.

godsluvee:
You have said it all. I don't criticise other churches and I don't like people critcising mine. It's painful

We dont believe in such gospel as preached by matooski which you referenced. It is watering the gospel such that nobody is provoked. Pope Francis had a great opportunity to preach Christ and him crucified in UN assembly and rebuke evil in the land but he didn't make mention of God nor Christ because he didnt want to hurt anybody since some people dont believe God nor Christ.

True gospel hurts my dear. Because it will deprive you many things in order to give you peace of Christ.
Since life with contradictions is yet to have peace.

So if it is hurting you let God have his way in your life it might be a way He is putting you close to His salvation.

When I was small,I used to perform magic to disproove my colleagues who condemn catholic because I hate to hear that catholic was wrong.

mhiztwinky23:
we dnt worship her...we honour her as mother of christ

Leviticus 20:6 says if you consult the spirit of the death He will cut you off amongst his children.
You have to leave the people that have died to rest till judgement else familiar spirit will be talking to you but you wont know.
If you check the messages that your mary give you will discover it contradicts the bible.
In the religious worship,you praise God you praise Mary and you dont think it is another style of worshiping her?

Then you need to tell yourself the truth.
Most charismatics dont believe all that.

When God it was time for God to come and restore the fallen world he came inform of a fallen man such that He could preach to us with human voice and used day to day activities in order to refer how kingdom of God is like.

After the marriage between the state and the church between 325-328, the church produced offersprings that are neither christians nor pegans.
When it was time to restore the church back to its righfull position,he used Martin Luther amongst others who was a strong defender of the church,a catholic priest. He first went and got married to a Nun in order cancel most of the lies he was taught om ceribercy.

He suceeded in giving bible to lay-men that was the light God called him to shine speaking mostly of Faith im christ. After that we saw somebody he used John Winsley from anglican he shine light of gospel God gave to him speaking mostly of holiness. Till today God is still restoring the church as it is in the upper room,an assembly of believers yoked in love of Christ teaching gospel of christ for salavation of those that believe. No sinner will come in their midst except he/she repents or willing to repent.

So if you still condemn Martin Luther as your catholic wrote history about him then it would rather be unfortunate in this age of Information technology for someone to take one sided reports.

Omoluabi16:
It is appointed unto man to die once, after that is Judgement. purgatory is a false doctrine, and it gives a false assurance.

Yes it gives false assurance of salvation,you are right!

To add more practical explanation:
I heard one lady who said she cant go to heaven and hell now if she dies,she is sure that she will goto purgatory.

That is what bolted the catholic church to man(priest) because if you are dieing and priest was called and minister oil and holy communion to you heaven is assured,the priest themselves dont even know what salvation looks like.
That is why burial and funeral ceremony done by bishops/rev fr is revered by most catholic,because if you are in purgatory their prayers will bring them out.
But they couldnt pray pope John paul 2 now saint John paul 2 out of where he is now.

Purgatory is here on earth before you die. You must be purged of all your sins before death if you want to make heaven because nothing inpure goes to heaven.

If you believe such lies as this you are already marked with mark of beast for its for rich,poor,free and bond etc who submite to anti Christ doctrines.

That is why Book of Roman says after death comes judgement.

I confronted one jiganut carismatic leader and he was sincere to admit that these problems were caused by the church but I believe because of his office he will not freely speak as me.