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excellencyabia1:
Why is it that God does not answer people until the issue gets out of hand or someone dies. Is it that he don't have the same equal feelings for all?

Friend,I seem to understand you.
Am feeling maybe you have been worshiping God with all your heart and mind and something or someone dear to you maybe asking God to do for you and you have not seen it.

Below is 1 comment though we may have others;

Check in the time past God may have been warning you for a certain character and you failed to change or your father and a curse has been proceeded from such behaviour from the law of God against you or your fathers children which is you.
If so,because you have given your life to God,God will watch you pass through that trouble though He is with you,but he will pass you through that stage. No matter your prayers in that events God will not answer you according your desires.

When you pass through that stage he will give you double of what you have esp experince or more if you didnt deviate or give up.

But if you check the above it is not true, you are been tested.

Solution:
Open your heart and praise God,even if that is becoming worse,when its pains comes most dont complain, withdraw and begin to praise God with all your heart.

If you can do that you see you will see the kind of virtue you will recieve and your attackers will be afraid of you.

It happens to every beliver esp when you have ministry(called by God).

God bless you.

I believe purgatory exist but here on earth not when you die,it means purgation since process of purgation is done on earth only until you appear as a chase virgin,without wrincles or spot.

Rome added that to give people false impression about Gods judgement that man has right to interfer after death such that u will be perpertually attached to rome since after death mass held can still save you.

The book 1 peter you qouted was speaking about eternal security which Christ used parable of 10 virgins of 5 foolish to explain.
Noah requested that people should repent and enter the boat,some repented by refused to enter the boat because they hv not heard of anything rain before.

Samething like that will happen to people before rapture, God will send a kind of Gospel that is bible based but many born again Christians will ignore it but they will be saved later after tribulation by their blood just like naoh's.
God bless you

Since 2010 i hv been using arik to Ghana or Lagos I hv seen anything other than cake N50 and water or juice.

I confronted them one day they delayed our flight to about 4 hours or so only to bring same cake and water and they told me it is management.

Why not other snacks I dont know why?

There own is worst other airlines alternate but they charge almost highest.

Sex is energy,thought can be seen as reflection to the stored energy,emotion also can be seen as effect of expression of stored energy or effect of how you see the stored energy. So you need to know how to express your stored energy positively and accordingly because out of abundance of heart the mouth speak.

Most importantly, you need Christ to change you. Because He knows what is wrong and how that that was wrong went wrong.

Hello
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My asp.net system continues to stop me from starting debugger.
I have installed and configured IIS everything fine but I cant run debugger in Visual Studio 2008 and 2010.

Anybody that has similar issue.
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I had a dream that has occured up to 4times now. I wil climb a clif(tall building,tower,tall vehicle like cooling van etc) wit someone(person I know) but will climb there wit ease but very afraid to come down thru same route we climbed since no alternative route. Very suprising thing is my colleague wil climb up & come down with ease but I wil there thinking how to come down til i wake up.

PureWays:
Thanks, but under which authority was he (Prince of Persia) operating? Satan's?

We have two forces operating in this earthly kingdom; forces of darkness and forces of Light.
Forces of Darkness draws their authority and power through Ignorance and sin of men, it is a natural law released by God Almighty(Deut 28).
Those who belong to light draw their authority and power from knowledge, wisdom,simplicity,humility, holiness-righteousness ,self-control and Love .
Why because you have choice to choose between right and wrong , evil and good, darkness and light.

Any moment one passes from through from Light to darkness one puts not only himself/herself to danger but others whom in one way or the other supposed to get help from him/her but if one moves from darkness to light thousands will rejoice and gain.

I hope I may have added little more to you.

The level of your righteousness determines what the angles sent to you can do.
That is why we persist in prayer such to empower the angle sent to bring our prayers.

We discover Daniel was a godly man but he was given a name of their gods. I believe it might have given devil enough power to battle with the angel, as Daniel tallied in prayer Gabriel was sent,another powerful angel who now defeated prince of Persia.

Yes we have first heaven, second heaven and third heaven.
Our prayers pass through second heaven before they are answered and the second heaven are where the principalities and powers operate.

That is why we need to live the life of obedience and love to the things of God for second heaven has no power over you.

I guess I may have added a little to your quest.
Thanks

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italo:
So the devil used Rome to compile the bible in Synod of Rome in Year 382?

It seems like you're not taking the prayer I gave seriously. You reasoning is getting more deficient.

Rome did not compile Bible but Holy Spirit,He can use anyone to achieve His purpose on earth Ps 68:18 note all scriptures are inspired by The Holy Spirit.
Dark ages came because Rome headed Catholic Church though they are not believers,you know no-one can defeat the purpose of God.
Why would devil had to wait until all Apostles and those who learned directly from them died? It happened to Israelite, devil waited until those who learned from Moses and Joshua died and Israelites became some thing else. Read Joshua , Judges 1 & 2

Move down from Year 382 down to 1600 check the number saints Roman Catholic Church killed and that is the very dark age we are talking about, that is why pope John Paul II apologized when he first went to Israel. Vatican 1 believed outside Roman Catholic Church there is no salvation but devil couldn't force the true believers anymore Vatican 2 came. Pope would nt have apologized under Vatican 1 you know.

Vatican 3 or 4 may tomorrow change these claims you are making here in order to unit the entire christian community and religion under ecumenism.
And it has started, read this extract http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/anti-pope-francis-heresies-october-november-2014/ you will know it will soon happen.

italo:
My Spirit of Truth says that you are lying.

The Spirit of Truth of the Catholic Church, which helped them decide the books of the bible says you're lying.

The Spirit of Truth of all Christians that lived from the time of Jesus till Protestantism started 1600 years later says you're lying.

Wonderful. You still talk about things that doesn't have salvation virtue?
Everything you attributed to Catholic church was correct and done by Inspiration of God. We give glory to God.
It is very painful to hear pastor say my church did this and my church did that. Nobody own church it is Christ body except you are not part of it since Christ is not divided.

Stop making claims about body of Christ and mistaken it to be Roman Catholic Church.
They are different!

Catholic Church is spiritual universal body of Christ otherwise known as Mystic body but Roman Catholic Church is Catholic Church mixed with roman culture headed by .... It was devil that used Rome(Rome was world power then) to create all the problem in the Christianity today because they were Idol worshipers, reformers couldn't bear it they protested.

Let us be explicit, let us not mix Roman religion with universal spiritual body of Christ, I think that is the issue here.

Remember within 1600 year Christ died we had dark ages.

italo:
If God didn't condemn the bold, why are you condemning them?

Reason why Christ died is to restore us back to state we were before Adam sinned.
It is a state of Son and Father relationship and it will happen here on earth before we are fit to go heaven.

He(God) condemns all that is bold and would not want to us his children to do any of them because it is against His perfect will for us here on earth.

Why it is a little bit confusing is that when the Church entered into the hands of roman they created class(Laity and clergy) making it difficult for people to understand am equal to pope,Mary,Cadinal,GO,Pastor,Paul,Peter etc if am doing my best with the grace God has given me. Since hand is not better than liver nor liver better face, etc and our God is not partial God. He will not tell Mary go to heaven because you gave birth to Christ nor tell Peter go to heaven because you are chief of apostle etc.

God bless you.

Jusmudi:
Bros to tel u dt Jesus created the church(catholic) read mat 16:18-19 " And I tell u that u are peter, on this rock I ll build my Church nd the gates of hades ll never overcome it"

He said you are peter upon this rock...
The same way Christ said destroy this temple in 3days I build it.
He was not pointing at peter when He was saying it neither was he pointing at the temple when he was saying It also. That is why Jews mis-understood Him and that is same reason you mis-understand that verse.

This rock means rock of revelation of whom Christ is.
Peter did something before Christ said that.
God revealed to peter whom Christ is.
Dear if you have revelation of whom Christ is your christian view will change and gate of hell will not prevail against you.

btoks:
You'll find that you're well mistaken on no church being established,early christianity was one church. The denominations you listed only started after the protestant revolution of the 16th century, pentecostal even much later.
Your other points hold no water and directly conflict with the way christianity has been practiced.Please read through Acts 15 to see what happened when there was a teaching that had to be clarified.Everyone went back to the church(in effect the first council) to get the issue clarified. This practice carried on over the centuries to confirm the books of the bible, the communion of saints (intercessory prayers like this the OP),etc

All the denominations you mentioned teach different doctrines,how do we know what is true?
Your point of view about personally knowing the true spirit.... stems from Martin Luther,Calvin and Zwingli theories in the 16th century.

This is exactly what you where told dear,please check the history yourself and you will see what happened. Read both catholic and protestant side of the story you discover how devil entered the church and when it entered.

I used to make these claims as ;
Catholic is first church funded by Christ
Pope is president of a country and of the biggest church in the world etc.
But when I checked I discovered God in His simplicity and I throw them away because they dont have salvation virtue. I should be ashamed that a church having Over 1.2billion members couldn't change the world spiritually positive.
That means God doesn't work with crowd.

If you are satisfied with the way catholic church and other churches are today, then I will advice you to review what makes you comfortable.
Meanwhile Christ will not judge us by roman catholic, anglican, methodist nor pentecostal doctrine/dogma/creed, He will judge us as it is written.

btoks:
All the denominations you mentioned teach different doctrines,how do we know what is true?.

We have inner witness (the Spirit of truth) so if you say what is true and I have Spirit of truth I should be able to identify it and follow it, that is why we dont framework ourselves when it has to do with salvation.

God bless you.

Jusmudi:
Chief is nt only Mary magdalene bt also our mother(d mother of God) nd the issue of vertican0, Bros it did nt exist or hv nt heard abt it

Afta d death of Christ, dey took d body of Jesus down 4rm d cross nd press him 2 Mary's bosom[b](Mary mother of Christ)[/b]. Mary was d ist 2 knw dt Jesus has risen 4rm d death[b](Mary Magdalene)[/b], She was d 1 wu told d disciples[b](Mary Magdalene)[/b], she was d 1 dt d angel instructed 2 tel d Disciples dt Dey shld meet him in Galili[b](Mary Magdalene)[/b]

You attributed all this statement to Mary mother of Christ, just want you to get it clear such that your point will be very very clear.

I once heard an ordained heavily anointed charismatic priest supporting celibacy and he said ;
The mother of Jesus gave birth to only him
The mother of Moses gave birth to only him and Moses did not marry.
When I got home I checked and discovered Aron and Marian as brother and sister of Moses and also Moses married.

What you need to do is pray to God for Spirit of revelation and them study your Bible to cross check all the doctrines you have believed, anyone that contradict the Bible take it aside and move on.
Because if you believe what you are not supposed to in order to justified a doctrine on the judgement day not even pope will defend you.

God bless you.

Jusmudi:
Chief is nt only Mary magdalene bt also our mother(d mother of God) nd the issue of vertican0, Bros it did nt exist or hv nt heard abt it

A boy who had evil spirit but was delivered once called Mary mother of God and I asked him;
If I call your mother the mother of that evil spirit that was disturbing you will she accept it and he said no and I asked why, because her mother gave birth to a human being not evil spirit and she his mother didn't know where the evil spirit came from.

Catholic catechism defined as God Supreme Spirit who existed alone having no beginning nor end, The Creator and Lord of lords.
So how can human being give birth to Spirit?

italo:
What you are saying is contradictory and even contradicting the bible.

You say we shouldn't have doctrines about creatures but the bible gives us doctrines about creatures.

You said supplication to creatures is bad then when I showed you how the bible encourages supplication to creatures, you made a u-turn and supplication to humans miraculously became good.

Like I advised, spend less time on nairaland and work on your thinking skills.

You're not thinking well.

Ok sir, I pray God to give me grace to be thinking well.
Check what am saying very well, you talked about supplication and it is only made to God alone now you asked why do people asked one another for prayers which I have also answered you.
You can spot the different.

I asked you italo to pray for me and you did and God heard me.
Should I make a doctrine that everybody must be asking you italo for prayers?
Will I go a build Statue and tell people this is Italo that God used to answer my Prayer?
Will I go and begin to compose many songs in the honor of Italo whom God used to answer my Prayer even when believers gather to worship God?
Will I begin to invoke italo's name through recitation and begin to teach my children to do so if they want to get to Christ?
Will I compile beautiful things about italo and establish them as dogma and begin to tech them to my generation?

You know what am saying about but until you are quickened you will continue to speak they way you do.
God bless you.

italo:
Rev5:8 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Right now in heaven, the elders are offering my prayers to God.

Alleluia!

My dear your interpretation is not correct.
Your meaning of saints is different from the meaning of Saints in the Bible. We have living Saints and those that are resting already

Jusmudi:
Chief is nt only Mary magdalene bt also our mother(d mother of God) nd the issue of vertican0, Bros it did nt exist or hv nt heard abt it

I used the word(vertican0) to refer to a period am not saying we have vertican0

btoks:
Oh, so Roman state law brought in the Marian prayers into christianity?!! Please let us know where the Christian church established by Jesus is today.

Christ did not establish any church(organization), he established The Way of life. People called that way of Life Christians, Catholics(Universal Spiritual Body of Christ-Mystic Body), Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, Pentecostal etc.

You are a member of Christ body if you have been justified,sanctified by the blood and you have received the Holy Ghost.
It doesn't matter which church name you attend, you will soon know the truth as practiced by Apostolic fathers and prophets because you have received the Spirit of truth and you will soon start rejecting anything not in line teachings of Christ until you have become like Christ, Eph. 3:17, 4:13.

If you are a believer and you see one on your way, the spirit in you bears witness that you are of same family and that is the Church Christ established.

The religious argument we made here is because we dont have same spirit or not matured enough, if we have received the spirit of truth the same thing the member of RCC(Who have received the Spirit of Truth) believe will also be what the Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, pentecostal believe because they are of same Spirit and they are not under church title they belong but have sold their life to God and you see they will soon be under persecution by those Churches the belong if the head/ministers of the Church have not received same Spirit of truth which they have received.

It is God's reserved right to give the Holy Ghost and that makes you a member of Christ's Church (Body) then you will start bearing fruits of Holy Ghost.
Thanks

italo:
The bold apply to Mary too.

Every Christian has doctrines about creatures.

"You must love your neighbour"

"Pray for one another"

"Honour your father and mother"

Those are doctrines about how to relate to creatures.

You're confused.

If you had submitted and accepted my comment I would have known that what am saying is not correct.
Because I knew how I felt when people challenged Roman tradition before me.
I even expected name calling from you,why because you know if only one of your doctrines is faulted then the whole doctrines are questionable.

God bless you and I ask God to reveal Himself to us all.

Jusmudi:
Bros wu told u dt dose prayers were nt in d ist vertican nd do we hv vertican 0? Afta d death of Christ, dey took d body of Jesus down 4rm d cross nd press him 2 Mary's bosom. Mary was d ist 2 knw dt Jesus has risen 4rm d death, She was d 1 wu told d disciples, she was d 1 dt d angel instructed 2 tel d Disciples dt Dey shld meet him in Galili, Bros ar u seeing her role?

Sir you are mixing two Mary here.
One is Mary mother of Christ
Another is Mary Magdalene.

Correct it such that your point can be clear.

'Vatican 0 (Apostolic time)' to refer to a time when Roman State Law has not mixed with Christianity.
It was after then we have Vatican 1,2 and 3 is ready now.

italo:
The bold apply to Mary too.

Every Christian has doctrines about creatures.

"You must love your neighbour"

"Pray for one another"

"Honour your father and mother"

Those are doctrines about how to relate to creatures.

You're confused.

God bless you my dear.
I dont expect less than what you are saying. It is normal because I did more than you are doing but thanks be to God.

italo:
Still can't answer the simple question.

why do you pay much attention to your mother instead of God?

Maybe you didn't read through my write-up.
No man I mean real man pays too much attention to his mother I mean none. You have things you are called to do.
But I don't know what you mean by paying too much attention.

There is attention due to your parents when you are with them and attention when you are not with them.

Do you mean giving them money,taking care of them is what you should have been doing to God instead whom you dont see?

But all these cannot answer question which we are talking about between Creator and created.

800Billion Mary cannot amount to a strand of God's hair.

800Billion of my mother cannot amount to a strand of God's hair, so why are we making so doctrine with the creature instead of the Creator.

God bless you dear.

italo:
Those people that went to meet Peter, that took the apostles' handkerchief for healing, that brought their sick so that Peter's shadow can heal them...were they shifting attention from God?

You give supplication to your pastor. "Pastor pray for me" "pastor help me"

Satan is shifting your attention from God?

Your problem is a deficiency in reasoning. You should humble yourself and learn from those who think better than you and the Church which was given authority to teach you.

Yes you can shift your attention from God to your pastor, priest, Pope if God encountered you through them if you dont know the Word.
When Cornelius wanted to worship Peter, he quickly reacted that he is just a man like.
God want us see Himself in action by giving our parents,pastors,priest etc grace to take care of us such we will know how much God loves us by what we see around such that nobody will doubt that God exist. Rom 1:1-end.

In gentile dispensation, God is not dealing with us as group of people such as catholic, anglican, methodist, pentecostal etc because there is no such thing in heaven, He deals with us individually and that is how your salvation will come.

You know when anti-Christ will come if it is possible he will deceive the very elect. You dont know they are in every church that is why you need to live your life in the Word. We build our in Apostles and Prophet and Christ the chief Cornerstone.
We all know when all these prayers to Mary entered catholic they were not there before. In 'Vatican 0 (Apostolic time)' it was not there. It came in Vatican 1 became evident in Vatican 2 and finally the whole attention will be shifted from God to man in supposed Vatican 3.

I believed same doctrine with you until God quickened my spirit to the meaning of salvation and I throw them away and begin to look on to Christ.
Do I tell people to pray for me yes I do, if God quickens to me that He has given you (italo) grace to assist me solving my challenge I will involve you on the basis that it is God working in All. Because He gave some Apostles,Prophet,Pastor,teacher and evangelist to build up the body. You may abuse your grace by demanding excess respect which in turn give more attention to you more than God, that is where the problem is.

God is All in All through Christ.
God bless you.

Scholar8200:
Once again, we are referring to a Heavenly scenario not the earth! Read this:
Acts12:5
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
They prayed unto the Father having gained access through the Lord Jesus
Ephesians 2: 15
Ephesians 2:18
for through him (Jesus Christ) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Again, we are referring to an Heavenly setting! What? Is this how you pray to people on earth to pray for you:
We fly to your patronage,
O holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.
(Interestingly this is not even an intercession but a supplication!!!.)

Phil 4:6 tells us "do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God"

Instead of you to give supplication to God we see it giving to Mary. Satan is making a great move to finally shift attention from God to man.
May the Lord bless you.
Thanks

italo:
You asked why we pay much attention to Jesus' mother instead of God...
I asked why do you pay much attention to your mother instead of God?
If you cannot understand such a simple question, how can you understand the Bible?

You compare and reason God just like men. Mary,Paul,Peter,John etc none of their glory is revealed until the end if time according Bible and so to us all who live by Gods Word.

For now what we give so much consideration is to God's Word not who give birth to Christ according to Jesus in gospel.

You respond like this because you don't know that satan is looking for an little opportunity so created to use someone,doctrine or institution to shift attention from God to man. That he does in every church he enters, check around you will see what am saying.

We use to say Glory be to Jesus Forever, now it is Glory be Jesus Honor to Mary. We shouted but our voice is small, now it is Glory be Jesus, Honor to Mary And Joseph. Soon it will be ... Honor to Mary, Joseph and Pope...since your Leaders who promotes such dogma have neither received Holy Ghost nor know who He is.

Do not be confused when you pray through Mary and God answers. You may also ask why other religion who are not Christians God also answer them but His perfect will is what He has instructed us through His Word not ideas of men. It is not about how He answered your prayers but what His Word is saying.

My dear let error not wait for you at 50% of your Christian Journey that is what I spotted through God's revelation and I praise God.
Thanks

italo:
I don't see the sense in all you wrote up here.

You asked why we pay much attention to Jesus' mother instead of God...

I asked why you pay much attention to your mother instead of God?

You may rephrase your question incase I dont understand you.

Anyone whose obedience is complete pays attention they way Christ pays attention to things when it has to do with humans beings.
God gave you to your parents to take care you till you are matured enough to reason same to Joseph and Mary.
The same way your parent nurtured was the same Joseph and Mary nurtured Him till age of maturity for His ministry to start.

We are told in the bible that when we get to heaven, no male or female, father or mother all will be like angels.
If by this do you mean I should love my parents more than yours, that is what Christ teaches?

Jusmudi:
Bros y do u pray 2ru ur G.O, " d God dt worketh wit my G.O"

No sir
Am Catholic : The union of all faithfuls under one head. Pope or Christ?
Surprisingly Christ!
So am Catholic, the Union of all faithfuls under Christ.
I dont pray through any G.O, I pray in the Name of Jesus who died for me. God give each Living Saint Anointing to profit without,some can heal,some has faith etc such that body will be strong until we come to the full maturity and stature of Christ.
They are the people who can make heaven.

My dear arguing like this will rube off your love/joy in Christ making you think that anyone is insulting you or your dogma. I was in your shoes, I defended myself with all the argument people have used in this forum even more until I was quickened what salvation is then I know what real love is. You can't have it complete dear.
Thanks

Scholar8200:
Once again, we are referring to a Heavenly scenario not the earth! Read this:
Acts12:5
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

They prayed unto the Father having gained access through the Lord Jesus

Ephesians 2: 15
Ephesians 2:18
for through him (Jesus Christ) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Again, we are referring to an Heavenly setting! What? Is this how you pray to people on earth to pray for you:

We fly to your patronage,
O holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.
(Interestingly this is not even an intercession but a supplication!!!.)

If you justify the word which you have prayed in the supplication you discover that it is only meant for God.
but deliver us always from all dangers,
And that is why everybody in the church knows much about Mary and almost know nothing about Christ since many testimonies has been from doing so which I also have testified/benefited from because I was deep in the dogma and doctrines.

But God does not approve His principles or Laws mostly with Miracles but to draw your attention to know that God exist somewhere who is doing that and you need to know Him.

italo:
Why do you pay attention and love to your mother instead of God who gave her to you?

You reason God as if He is a man.
Even Christ told us if we 'pay attention' to our parents more than God we are not fit to follow Him.
Love God will all your heart, with all your mind and love your neighbor the way you love yourself which includes your mother.

Love is not segregated, love is love whether to your parents or not, that happens only when your obedience is complete otherwise you continue to search scripture to support human Ideas that theologian brought into the church in other to shift our attention from God to man.

Thanks

Jusmudi:
God bless you 4 dt wonderful question

My dear, people who died before the second coming of Christ are eagerly waiting for the white throne Judgement where they will be set free according St Paul.
They are kept in a resting place( catholic called it paradise , the song we sing at burial), they are the people who will rise first and those a-life will join them in the cloud when Christ will be descending from heaven to Judge the living and dead.

We are giving one law concerning prayer that is to pray to God in the name of Jesus, who died for us.
Remember it is God that answers prayer and He is the one who quickens who will stand in gap for you anything in need such that all glory belongs to Him. Even if you like invite all prophets and pastors for whatever you like.

When you start praying to Mary to intercede for you, you are doing it in the name of Our Lord Jesus which means deviation from Gods instruction.
If you say you are telling Mary to intercede for you, then how are you doing it?

By saying;

We fly to your patronage,
O holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.

Hail Mary....
Hail Holy Queen
Litany
Glory to Jesus , Honor to Mary, etc

I thought you would have said, Mary intercede for me and you continued your prayers they way you do with your loves ones.

Dear dont you think something is wrong somewhere?
God bless you!

Jusmudi:
Bros Mary played a key role in Jesus ministry, especially her profound humility, her perfect obedience, her angelical sweetness, her continual prayer, her universal mortification, her altogether spotless purity, her heroic patience, her heavenly wisdom, her self sacrificing courageous love of God nd above all her faith, that virtue which has in her alone been found in its utmost extent nd never equalled. Bros No one in this world can ever play the role dat woman played. She deserve an honour 4rm u

Am happy that you find it humbly enough to respond my comment.
There is contradictions here, you think am insulting/underrating Mary mother of Christ, never! never!! never!!!
Am a Catholic just as you are until am quickened the real meaning of Salvation and I praise God. Nobody is greater than the other,God saw all has fallen away from his grace and He come in His Son born of a woman to redeem us back to Himself. Today we can say Abba Father!
Those who receive 30%,60% 100% grace worked with their ability according to grace given but to the glory of God the Father.

Mary was overshadowed and She conceived[b](no reward)[/b] also was there at upper room to receive Holy Ghost[b](grace for reward-hope of glory)[/b]. All the qualities you attributed to Mary was given to her by God, what will you gain by asserting so much effort studying/praising/venerating the gift instead of the giver.

We all are waiting for the white throne judgement where all of us who did good will come out and be rewarded for all the things we did while on earth including Mary mother of Jesus.

Remember God's aim on the earth is for all to be under Christ and Christ under God who place everything under Him!

The problem is we reason God just as if He is a man, that is why we say Mary of mother of God etc.

God bless you.