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How have I abused anyone's father?

You're absolutely right that argument can't change faith - but there's no other conviction in the Islamic faith than to seek the death of people who don't follow Muhammad's faith (unless you have not been reading the Qur'an and the Hadith). We need to keep questioning these issues until Muslims come to understand that these grey arrears in their faith are the fundamental causes of the fissures between both faiths in question.

Every so often when these issues are brought up, instead of you guys to deal with the root of the problem, one observes that it's either Muslims pretend it's not there, or they get upset and start posting frowns. Dealing with the root of the problem will be a great start in any attempt to promote peace; and whenever problems arise Muslims will do far more than take a passive back seat and watch glibly as their brethren go on rampage killing people for whatever small questions of the day.

Well, what could one say?

belloti:
I really don't understand you guys. I used to think that Islam is for muslims only and Christianity for you guys. Its even stated in my Holy Book "Suratul Kafiroun". why don't we just cling to our respective faiths and allow peace to reign? or what do you guys think?

Sorry to be such a bother to you, belloti. However, while your idea could be applauded, we, like you, are wondering why Muhammad did not choose to "allow peace to reign"!  Why didn't he just respect the freedom and choice of people to cling to their respective faiths, and instead sought to instigate hatred towards the "People of the Book", and sought to put Muslim converts to other religions to death?? One would like to actually see peace of the sort that you speak; but in reality, there are millions of Muslims the world over who would point to Islam's holy books and show you there that the prophet of Islam didn't respect anyone's faith who was non-Muslim.

belloti:
Babyosisi, it is haram (prohibited) for any muslim to kill anybody unjustly. It is a big offence in the eyes of the Lord

Okay, so when is it justified for any muslim to kill anybody at all? How do you interpret those texts in the Hadith showing that Muhammad, at least, is said to have encouraged the killing of those considered Muslim apostates?

belloti:
Its a free world. You probably feel you are being fair. No comment from me

So it's become a free world to misrepresent issues? Hmmm.

You may not read me as being fair, but it's one thing to get so personal and go so far as to call people fools; quite another thing to be objective enough to realise that some of your posts are not stating issues correctly.

Bobbyaf:
In either case there is absolutely no evidence that the early christians had a problem observing the sabbath, until Constantine created laws that forbad sabbath worship, which officially started in the 4th century.

In other words. . . ?

There is nowhere that New Testament Christianity had a keeping of the Sabbath, and the idea that Constantine created laws that forbad sabbath worship is unbiblical. That would mean that whatever law(s) Constantine created superceded apostolic revelation such as we read of in the New Testament - which is not true.

When you carefully follow the collective testimony of Scripture, you can't miss the mind of God on the sabbath in regards to Christian worship - and that is, Christians are not under a Sabbath law.

belloti:
[b]m4malik next time if u want to respond do it proportionately. i really don't care what anyone write or does. but what u guys do here is to attack the person not his views. thats highly regrettable.

Many thanks belloti, but it seems more to me that you're taking this personally whenever people point out that your inputs were not only misrepresenting facts, but also unnecessarily disaffected.

belloti:
it just brings out the fools in you.  next time share your points or disagree with some degree of respect. i once thought u are civilised.

Thank you again, belloti; only one would wonder if what you just stated above is anywhere near being civilised. I know what's up with you guys - you can hardly bear the experience of being talked to in just the same way that you serve others. Calling me a fool may not be civilised, but I consider that a mild and passing reaction.

belloti:
The Issue of Israel - Palestine has always had subjective reporting. As expected, my source is an islamic website and i stand by it. But u guys are free to offer any contrary version if there is any. But please lets have some decorum here.

You know what? I really don't mind at all from wherever you source your information - just try not being so funny as to 'stand by' your posts if they are misrepresentating issues.

carmelily:
i don't want to get involved in the war raging on this thread but just want 2 say i think the jews have tried too hard to gain world sympathy by CRYING WOLF at the slightest grievance, real or imagined. that has, unfortunately played on the mindset of some people as can be seen in the quote above. jews have practically brought us all to our knees and made us suckers for them.

I don't mind the mindset you can see in my quote but can't see the hoo-ha in yours. Did you borrow the last quip from a Lebanese or Palestinian who see themselves as suckers?

carmelily:
my question now is, what do we Africans get for the 400 years of slavery and the millions of lives lost in the sea and to inhuman conitions the slave drivers imposed? and when do we start driving out the white and indian Africans in south africa and namibia etc to "reclaim" our land? when does the world plan to "compensate" native americans by killing white americans and dispossessing them of the USA?

I could have sworn you were crying your own wolf of slavery and needing some compensation. The only problem is that the Jews were not the colonial masters of native Americans or Africans.

carmelily:
bottom line, the jews should move ahead without holding us to ransome or holding a boo- hoo party every 30 minutes.

Correct babe. Talk to the Hezbollah - they're the ones holding a >>sniffle<< party every 30 seconds.

emeka83:

mukina2 link=topic=18621.msg516027#msg516027 date=1153747388:
my prayer is for the innocent ones caught between the bombs

and the rockets fired by hezbollah and hamas

LOL. . . emeka83, na wah for you.

me,myself:
about Afeni being a human being, i was just being sarcastic,
and m4malik, i said no meanies! ok? learn more about islam before u start postin false accusations here, ok?

Which one U dey vex put for the matter? You want others to forget their prejudices but not your own, abi? As for the false accusations and meanies, sista no vex - I don't see where you read me so. It's simply there in the Qur'an -  Muhammad hated Christians and Jews; and if you add the Hadith to that as well, you'll only find strong confirmation to that (not to talk of his treatment of atheists).

me,myself:
@ diddy4, yup im a muslim, a non apolegetic one! i love my religion and it hurts me to see that people just dnt understnd it or just don't want to understand it.

Please don't be so hurt - truth hurts, yes. . . but we're all seeking to understand these matters. It's not that people just don't want to understand your religion; what we can't understand is why all the hate and instigation in the Qur'an against non-Muslims? On the one hand Muhammad said there should be no compulsion in religion; and on the other hand he actually tried to coerce people into Islam and won't let them be if they chose not to follow his religion. The point is, why put them to death simply because they chose other religions?

As for the idea of pressurizing Governments in whatever country to act towards a cease-fire, that may be a brilliant idea; but in reality it will achieve virtually nothing while the war goes on. I'm still of the view that negotiations and diplomatic round-table talks based on "political correctness" is only scratching the surface of the matter. They should come full circle with the issue and address its roots without treating such groups as the Hezbollah with kid gloves.

belloti:
587 BC - Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon destroys Jerusalem including Sulayman's [as] Temple. All Jews are either killed, exiled or taken prisoners. END OF ISRAEL! Only after 400 years!

End of Israel - and yet the Israelites can't be contained today by their enemies? Why do you guys get so hatefully disaffected at Israel and yet pretend Islam is really for peace?

Besides, anyone who knows the history of the Jews will be staggered at the run-away statements you've posted here as "facts", because obviously whoever supplied you with most of these fallacies conveniently forgot to carefully consider the beginning of Israel as a nation established before King David. Is this one of those mind games that Muslims play - just as Muhammad did in twisting the real history of the Jews?

mukina2:
ah belloti tell them some people just type but they don't really know what they are typin for

Actually, I noticed - both you and belloti really don't know what you're typing for. Keep crying, your tears will dry up soon.

mukina2:
do you mean the re-printed and edited bible?

That also could be claimed for the present edited Qur'an which is the political redaction of the third Caliph Uthman who ordered all extant copies of the then existing Qur'an to be burnt after he had edited out what he felt uncomfortable with. Why did he ask that the copies should be burnt?

mukina2:
well i wonder why am a muslim if i don't know half about my religion and i have to listen to a convert who just jumped ship to tell me about my religion then?

I didn't jump ship my dear, or you go find yours and fall overboard. You don't sound one bit like an informed Muslim, and one could be forgiven to take you for a munafiq.

mukina2:
well teach me am all ears

Will only be too glad to when you can afford to pay attention.

mukina2:
you people are killin me davidylan and babyosisi called me a juvenile now u are sayin i know nothing about my religion

But it shows, at least no one is arguing that you're a juvenile at 19 who can't handle issues. Don't take it personal, I'm just observing what you expose about yourself.

mukina2:
i know am just a juvenile as babyosisi rightly said so i wonder why you guys keep quotin my posts and directing em to me

Keep crying. When you do the right thing, you'll wipe your tears.

me,myself:
look guys, nuff of the hate threads and all, muslim or christain, we are all human beings(apart from Afeni ofcourse) and forget your prejudices . . .

Ha! Can't laugh enough. What makes you think Afeni is not a human being like the rest of us (even though I don't agree with his ideas)? Did I read you say "forget your prejudices"?

See, no one really wants to hate nobody. But these things can't be helped as long as it's in the Qur'an to hate Christians, Jews, atheists, and everybody else who is not a follower of Muhammad. I'm not seeking to stir the boiling pot - it's just there in Islam's holy books to hate people.

It's sad to see the pains trailing the on-going crises in the Middle East. Political talks are being attempted to quell the onslaught. However, it seems to me that this long-winding crises will continue for as long as it takes the political stake-holders to recognize and deal with the root of the problem. The media is happy to show the pains and sufferings of Palestinian children and women caught in the cross-fires with Israel; but how many times have the media paid attention to the plight of Israel during the threats of Hezbollah and associates to annihilate her? Until we come straight with the crux of the crises and stop the pretenses of "political correctness", this would most probably continue for as long as man lives on planet earth.

mukina2:
m4malik since you said you converted peace be unto you brother but i don't know who or what brainwashed you but be careful, i told you already stop givin claims without facts ok

Mukina2, your unnecessary vexations are only proving one thing: you don't know half your religion like you're trying to make us believe. By Biblical standards, Muhammad was not the prophet he claimed to be - read the Bible! I would have had no problem with Islam or Muhammad if he made no reference to the Bible and the Biblical prophets. As far as he did so in several texts in the Qur'an, even claiming that it was "Allah" sent down and confirmed the Law of Moses and the Gospel to Jesus. When we turn to the Bible, there we'll find that Muhammad was not truthful. Infact, anyone who reads the Bible will see that Muhammad clearly twisted Biblical narratives to suit his religion - and by doing so, he proved himself to be a false prophet by Biblical standards.

You don't believe me? Read the Biblical accounts of Muhammad's story-telling in the Qura'n.

mukina2:
m4malik since you said you converted peace be unto you brother but i don't know who or what brainwashed you but be careful, i told you already stop givin claims without facts ok

Mukina2, your unnecessary vexations are only proving one thing: you don't know half your religion like you're trying to make us believe. By Biblical standards, Muhammad was not the prophet he claimed to be - read the Bible! I would have had no problem with Islam or Muhammad if he made no reference to the Bible and the Biblical prophets. As far as he did so in several texts in the Qur'an, even claiming that it was "Allah" sent down and confirmed the Law of Moses and the Gospel to Jesus. When we turn to the Bible, there we'll find that Muhammad was not truthful. Infact, anyone who reads the Bible will see that Muhammad clearly twisted Biblical narratives to suit his religion - and by doing so, he proved himself to be a false prophet by Biblical standards.

You don't believe me? Read the Biblical accounts of Muhammad's story-telling in the Qura'n.

@mukina2,

mukina2:
please m4malik get your facts straight.you're beginnin to annoy me

I hear this all the time, and yet as often those who react this way are proving my statements - you either have not been following the news, or you're simply trying to pretend these things are not so, or you have been told not to see things objectively, or a myriade other things.

The 'facts' you want me to get straight are staring you in the face. And your reaction is proving my point. If as a Christian I reacted the way you just did by saying "if Iran wants to wipe isreal off the earth thats for them," I would be branded 'politically incorrect' by the West, and applauded by the Middle East. If on the other hand I had said: "If Israel wants to annihilate or wipe Iran and her supporters off the face of the earth, that's their problem", what do you think I'd be branded as?

Your reaction is not helping your case, and you're persuading me all the more to feel that the so-called Muslim "peace" shrinks and disappears the minute issues are presented where the mula wouldn't tread.

@mukina2, I take it you don't play games - that is only if you'd be willing to let me know where you stand.

Do you deny those things - yes or no? If no, then why do you want me to provide the quotes? If yes, then simply state it in clear bold print that those things are not so - then you'll see the quotes. Take them one by one and deny them. If you can't do that, I take it that Islam is exactly as started in my assertions.

mukina2, don't go round these issues. If anyone is trying to defend themselves against a sensless and insane hate, it is Israel fighting for her continued existence against the lunacy of the Muslims of the Middle East who have categorical been calling for her annihilation.

What you are failing to see is that while Israel is not out to annihilate Muslims, it is muslims themselves who are reading the Qur'an and believing that "Allah" through Muhammad has ordained that lunacy of killing the Jews for no other reason than the seething and perennial hate that the prophet of Islam codified in the Qur'an.

@mukina2, games, right? The moment you start denying them, you'll get a direct quote from Islamic sources. Just start denying them - afterall, you have studied the Christian faith for 3 years and know what Islam is all about.

@davidylan, just leave her to play games as much as she likes - I thought I was the only one that understood what she was up to.

I know that personally you as an individual are averse to violence, whether as a muslim, hindu or whatever else. The point is, by what is going on in the world today, Muslims have proven Islam for exactly what Muhammad crafted it to be - intolerant, violent, and hateful towards people of other faiths.

Mukina2, but did you not just boast in another thread that you've studied the Christian faith for 3 years - and yet you are acting here like you're blank about these issues? Which one of the issues enumerated is would you say is not true or a misrepresentation of what Islam actually is?

One other thing to note is that when God raised the Biblical prophets, He confirmed before all the people that Moses was a servant of God - with signs and wonders, and the confirmation of Moses' revelations and visions by other prophets both in his time and afterwards. That is why the Bible drew my attention because it is not the private product of only one man claiming alone to be the sole conduit to God.

Muhammad, on the other hand, was the only one that had that conduit to "Allah" in the Qur'an, and there were no others that received revelation to either confirm or expose any hidden fallacy that he might have claimed was from Allah. Thus, when he made some rather twisted claims of Jewish history and denied the crucifixion of Jesus, his followers glibly accepted it without checking his claims. By so doing, Muhammad exposed himself as a false prophet by Biblical standards and pretended to have brought a message from the same God who raised and sent the Biblical prophets.

@mukina2,

Is it that you don't know that those things exist as Islamic tenets or you're categorically denying that they do?

May God have mercy on the thousands caught in the cross-fire, ever protect His covenant people Israel, and mercifully open the eyes and hearts of the Palestinians.

@mukina2,

Please try and consider these questions and see if you could provide some answers to them:

1. why does Islam teach that people who convert to other religions from Muhammad's religion must be killed?

2. why did Muhammad and his companions seize women as captives in war (booties) commit fornication by having sex
with them (such that his companions boasted of engaging in coitus interruptus)?

3. why did Muhammad hate Christians and Jews so much that his followers today have the same hatred for them and
want to see Israel annihilated?

4. why did Muhammad have such a violent career (in contrast to Jesus who even said that Christians should love their
enemies and pray for them)?

5. If Muhammad was truely sent from the same God as is found in the Bible, why was he different and almost the opposite
in his life and deeds in contrast to what Jesus Christ did and how He lived?
A few examples -

@ Jesus taught to love and pray for those who despise believers and regard them as enemies
Muhammad taught hatred and murder of those he perceived as his enemies or dared question him

@ Jesus taught that marriage is between one man and one woman and warned against adultery and lust
Muhammad received "revelation" to lust after his maternal and paternal cousins and as many women as he wanted

@ Jesus taught love, forgiveness and compassion for those who err so that they could be given a second chance
Muhammad had no second chance for those who erred but commanded them to be put to death

@ Jesus was holy and without sin, and He disavowed it in any form, while offering to deliver sinners who trusted in Him
Muhammad was conscious of his sins everyday so that he confessed repenting over seventy times a day, while at the
same time not being able to deliver anyone from the power of sinful living

. . . etc.

If Muslims truely believe Muhammad's claim to be true that it was the same "Allah" that sent down the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus, then why was Muhammad's life so sinful and different from the righteous lifestyles that the Biblical prophets proclaimed? How could the same God be speaking two different things in the Qur'an and the Bible - permitting unbridled sexual misconduct in the former and condemning it in the latter? These are not hilarious matters; rather, they are of very deep concern as far as man's eternal destiny is concerned.

Well, mukina2 hear this:

I and my entire family except my mum were former muslims for as long as we were ignorant in Muhammad's bogus claims. Today we are Christians because we have come to realise that Muhammad told a lot of lies, tried to change the Biblical narratives of the history of the Jews and the accounts of the Gospels, and his moral life was very sinful (especially his lust for women). These were the things that Muslims are not encouraged to investigate, but when anyone actually looks into the claims in the Qur'an and the life of Muhammad, the truth is clear that he was not a prophet sent from God.

Second, Islam is not a peaceful religion at all. Today, people have the freedom to choose what and how to worship; and if people convert from Christianity to other faiths, they would not be put to death. That is not the case in Islam, because a convert from Islam to other faiths is regarded as apostate who must be put to death! In which case, the typical Islamic attitude would be to murder me and my family for converting to Christianity - is that the 'peace' you're pretending here about Islam? That is what Muhammad taught, and you know it - so please stop dishing out your propaganda of Islam being 'peaceful'. The violence we have seen in the recent past following the cartooning of Muhammad does not look anything like peace, and Muslims should stop deceiving themselves and the world that these violence and terrorism are the acts of a few 'extremists'. No, they are not - they are rather the very bedrock of Muhammad's religion to kill anybody in the name of "Allah" whom the Muslim doesn't like or who dares question Muhammad's life and teachings.

Reading the Qur'an shows explicit statements portraying the hate in Muhammad's heart against Jews, Christians and atheists. Muhammad did not wait for Allah to judge matters, but took it upon himself to loot, murder, and rape female captives of war (under the excuse that it was Allah that gave him the 'revelation' in the Qur'an to do those things). How did Muhammad treat women? What do the hadiths reveal about Muhammad's moral life? What does the Qur'an say about the typical Muslim mindset about Christians and Jews? What is fuelling the hate in the minds of jihadist Muslims who will not rest until they bomb everybody and anybody to 'Allah's hell'? What is encouraging the licentious mindset of those same jihadists who long to attack non-Muslims and seize their wives as 'booties' for sex? Why are women still maltreated in the Muslim nations of the Middle East as if they are not human beings? Where do the Muslim jihadists get their impetus for their violence against humanity in hope of being rewarded with 72 virgins and rivers of liquer? What is fuelling the hate, hate, hate of the Muslim against Christians?

Let's not pretend that Islam is a religion of peace under the cover of Allah and Muhammad. Ask the Muslim women who are still treated as the devil (that is what Muhammad called them) - and they will tell you how much 'peace' they enjoy from Muhammad's men in contemporary times.

@babyosisi,

Thank you for all your efforts in providing those links to create awareness of what exactly Islam is in true colour. I was just imagining what grave danger politicians have put the world by cowardly and surreptitiously claiming that Islam is a "religion of peace." Now I understand the boldness of people like Gwaine on this Forum to expose such cowardice. Imagine if Christians were the ones chanting and holding placards with the words as seen in that video clip in the Muslim demonstrations! What then would they have said? This only confirms one thing to me: Islam is not peaceful by any stretch and is as violent as Muhammad crafted it. Those who are still advertizing it as a religion of peace should stop deceiving themselves.

@babyosisi,

A great 100th post, yours. And you're quite observant. Truth is bitter, and when Muslims can't face it, they get upset instead of trying to be reasonable.

@olabowale,

I can hardly believe what I'm reading in yours. First, please try and follow the ethics of good writing by observing the rules (paragraphs, spellings, spacing) - they help to make a good read, even though what you might want to say is hardly sensible.

At the ripe age or 54 years, one would have thought you'd drop all hint of misinformation and be reasonable; but I observe you threw caution to the wind and made statements that shame that age. Pardon me, but see for yourself:

olabowale:
Those of you who critized the beloved of the Allmerciful, donot you have any brain and be aware that calamity may befall you. You Nigerians, whose moral yardstick is so low that it is unbelieveable and your nation's nameif it is affiliated to an individual in business, he /she will be held in suspecious statue.

I understand you're upset by the posts you read exposing some of the very questionable practices of Muhammad that you couldn't hold back your derision, and decided that Nigerians are what you just described them as above. But the big question is, "How do you deny or counter the fact that Muhammad did exactly what he was said to have committed?" Did he do them or not?

olabowale:
I am almost 54 and my sexual drive is not as when i was 25 for example. The Arabs at that time are differnt from the people of this day. There are many classifications of adiths; very weak to very strong. As it concerns this relationship with the Noblest of all mankind, Muhammad (AS) and Mother of believers Aisha (RA), the crock of the matter is that no one in their days frown on it.

A few questions: (a) what makes Muhammad 'the noblest' of all mankind - especially with the questionable moral life that he lived? (b) what makes Aisha the mother of believers - especially by the known fact that she was underaged as a wife of an elderly man, and was known to be hot tempered and quarrelsome? I can't believe you used the word "crock" to depict the matter of the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha, for the word 'crock' simply means 'nonsense'; so it would seem like you're saying: 'the nonsense (or balderdash) of the matter is that no one in their days frown on it' - meaning it was rather nonsensical that no one back then frowned on that event.

olabowale:
Even now, in the USA, a woman who is not yet 18, say she is 17 if her parents gives written consent for her to marry, there is no law that will prevent it or charge any of the parties for wrong doing. Ther is no specific age for a person to reach puberty. Puberty is when a woman begins her period and in the west [b]children are now reaching it even before some reach 9years of age.[/b] Yet others who are in their 20s may look so frail and immature that she may be considered to be under age. Maturity does not have a benchmark age. it is an individaul thing.

Excuse me sir, but Aisha was not 17 or 18 when Muhammad had sexual intercourse with her - by her own confession she was only 9 years old, and she was married off without her consent. Isn't that more worrisome than you're attempting to euphemize the situation? You may try to sell us the idea that that maturity does not have a benchmark age - but Aisha was not mature when those events happened. From what she narrated in the Hadith, it's easy to see that she was innocently immature when she was being 'arranged' as wife for an adult many years older than her to even be her grandfather.

And what is this baffling statement that "in the west children are now reaching it" (i.e., puberty)?? If, as you defined it, 'puberty is when a woman begins her period', could you please supply statistical data to confirm that, and thus convince us that children are now able to experience menstruation?? Please don't shame your age by making bogus statements like that.

olabowale:
Aisha (RA), was a special woman. She was from a noble family, whose father was also very wealthy, so it was not that she was not previleged. None of the Arabs who by and large were not Muslims and enemy of the prophets at that time critized him for this. God, the Almighty who sent him with the message of truth did not critized him. In fact, there are other adiths that pointed to the devine process in which the marriage occurred. The prophet (AS) dreamt where he met two angels and they presented him a gift. He ask them to unwrap the gift. It was Aisha that was in the wrap. The second dream was like the first, except that he Muhammad (AS) ask them what was in the gift and ased them to unwrap it. The result is the same thing. Oh, enemy of Muhammad (AS), you are for sure enemy of God. If you do not stop and mend your ways and seek the mercy and forgiveness of your lord Supreme, you will definately end up in hellfire. If you lie against the beloved of the creator your work will be naught.

Let's stop all this empty ideologies, please. The righteous and holy God would not give a 6 year old kid to a man old enough to be her grandfather - that is called pedophilia. The chronology of events don't confirm what you're persuaded to believe; rather, they expose the fallacy of this make-belief dream of Muhammad. According to several sources, when Muhammad approached Abu Bakr about this issue of taking the child Aisha for wife, her father was surprised and responded by saying: "But I am your brother!" The prophet's response? Read it: "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18). It is only after all this maneuvering that Muhammad came up with the dream to brainwash the innocent child that she was shown to him in a dream.

These are not lies - unless you want to say that it was the Hadith and Qur'an that are perpetrating the lies. Please, reason out your emotionalism and be as plain as the facts show, rather than try to twist issues.

olabowale:
You see no muslim will talk harshly against any Prophet of God. I wonder wher you evil doers are from in nigeria, nay in the world. Look into yourselves first before you look into any one and you are not fit to talk about the character of Muhammad (AS) and not to even think you can critize him. Ask your male family members if at their age, no one wants a young bride. Your mother will be replaced by your father with a girl even less than half her age, if your father were allowed to make his own sincerest desire. How many of you men at 25, still a virgin. Very rare and you lack the moral statue to be so. Now, ask yourselves if you were 25 a virgin, would you marry a woman who is 40 years old as your first marriage partner and she had twice married at this time. How many of you women, who will marry a twice married man while you were still a virgin at 25, unless you have that special money issue associated with it. Nigerian women are known for their golddigging mindset and I am a Nigerian and i know it for sure.

Blah-blah-blah at most of what you're saying - they have no substance; and please pay some respect to Nigerian women.

Now, having gone through the various threads, it's obvious to me that some Muslims have actually spoken harshly against some prophets - Biblical or Qur'anic. I've met some others who have carelessly spoken unprintable things about God's prophets, all in the hope they are disparaging Christianity. So, your point here is a mute one.

olabowale:
The statue of Muhammad (AS) is unattainable even for individual prophet that had passed on before him. For you to think, and you are all ordinary amounting to naughting that you can judge his moral value to the point that you begin to critize him, you have spoken in a mad person statue.

Your assertion is bogus, because you cannot even begin to compare the matchless splendour and glory of Jesus Christ with Muhammad. We're not mad but reasoning people; and if you'd be fair to yourself, then please investigate the life of Muhammad, especially his claims and morality, and ask if he could be applauded in contrast to several who outshined him, talkless of Jesus Christ.

GeekGirl:
However, sadly, this is an Islam-bashing thread and Aisha was used as emotional bait. I am disappointed and his will be my last post in this thread. It is evident that thoughtful discussion was not the reason this thread was created. I am one who seeks real TRUTH, not dogma or frenzied emotionalism devoid of reason and common sense.

I'm sorry to observe that Muslims have not been able to provide us with reason, common sense, and thoughtful discussion on this issue. The point is that most of them would rather applaud this act, whether Aisha was used as bait or not; only very few of them would admit that it was wrong by any standard. What Muhammad did was wrong, and it's up to his adherents to convince us otherwise with thoughtful discussion devoid of dogma and frenzied emotionalism that the act of Muhammad's child-bride was not wrong. Otherwise, trying to deal with the issue of child-rape now is not going to yield any fruit.

@tenik, be encouraged. U did something bold that God will reward you for.