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Christianity Etc › Re: Saturday The True Day Of Worship? by m4malik(m): 5:54pm On Aug 07, 2006

4get_me:
Bobbyaf link=topic=9641.msg549588#msg549588 date=1154883893:
Are you saying that God is stupid? It must be since it was He who instituted the day for our good.
You see what your problem is? Nowhere did I remotely suggest any such thing and it's all up to you to call God stupid and insist that "It must be". This was why I offered that you temper your language with grace, but obviously you had it your way.

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Hate Christians So Much, Could This Be The Anti-christ Coming? by m4malik(m): 5:39pm On Aug 07, 2006

Coco29:
Abeem link=topic=7756.msg551301#msg551301 date=1154967263:
Please refrain from judging a people from your perceived level of "civilization". You cannot impose your civilization or belief system on a people if you think their law or way of live offend your sensibilities. There is a term for it in Sociology, it is called ethnocentric.
isn't that what Islam is all about? well then u would have to be a ~~hypocrite~~.

Coco29 has said it all, though I for one would not directly call you a hypocrite (I hope Coco29 doesn't mind me now) because we all have our various ways of seeing issues. Islam imposes its own civilization or belief system on a people because Muslims think that other laws or way of life offend their sensibilities. It's really a convoluted way of seeing things if one cries foul at a situation while practising the very same thing being decried.

Christianity Etc › Re: Holy Spirit Or Holy Ghost: Which Is Right? by m4malik(m): 7:38am On Aug 07, 2006

dignity:
Expectedly,the Greek word,pneuma,should be the same for both words,Ghost and Spirit.The problem is not with the Greek original but with the translations giving by those rendered those words into English.
But what are Ghosts?
They are thought to spirits of dead men hovering around us.It was thought that because these men were evil while they lived,they have been denied access to Heaven.Not having access to Heaven,then, they hover around us here.

Hi @dignity,

It really doesn't matter what word the translators use. Whether 'Spirit' or 'Ghost', they are both applicable and God has not had a problem with the word ever since it was so translated into English using either equivalents. To favour one over the other is simply a personal matter based on the feelings and thought of men. For those who have a problem with the word 'ghost' because of what it means to people, they should also realise that the word 'spirit' carries an equally uneasy feeling for others. See Matt. 14:26 >> 'And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.'

We should not be too concerned about what either word conjures in the mind of some people. The vital issue is that anyone reading the Word should see the context where they appear and have nothing to fear as long as God's Spirit is "holy" - thus He is called the 'Holy Spirit' or 'Holy Ghost'.

dignity:
Is there anything that can live apart from man when he dies?Is it really true that man is made up of spirit,soul and body?

Indeed, man is made of spirit, soul and body - see 1 Thes. 5:23 (I'll offer more on this in a moment below). The parts of man that survive after death are the soul and spirit -

1 Cor. 5:5 >> To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Rev. 20:4 >> . . . and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.

dignity:
The scripture seem to teach by this that "it is not that man has a soul but that man himself is a soul"

Well, I don't know so much about that. Rather, it would seem that a complete man is defined in 1 Thes. 5:23 as "spirit and soul and body". I'm persuaded that man is actually a spirit, has a soul, and lives in a body. The fact that man has a soul is indicated in scripture by the pronouns we read of in most places in both the OT and NT -

Gen. 12:13 >> Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. . . Gen 35:18 >> And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. . . Mark 8:37 >> Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

However, this should not be overstretched or become a rigid idea, because Scripture also speaks of man as a soul (Exo. 1:5 >> And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already). Yet, in describing the demise of a person, Scripture uses either 'soul' or 'spirit' to give the understanding of who man really is when the body is left behind -

Gen. 35:18 >> And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin. . . James 2:26 >> For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I'm still studying the reason for this seeming interchangeable use of either word. At the moment, I offer that the 'soul' is indicative of the being of a person - all that essentially characterises the person; while the 'spirit' is particularly the very essence of a person - that which he essentially is.

dignity:
Are there such things as Ghosts, disembodied spirits??No,the scripture seem to teach.
So,then,what do they see who claim to have seen Ghosts?DEMONS, FALLEN ANGELS,masquerading as Spirits of the DEAD.

I don't get you here. Are you saying that demons and fallen angels are spirits or ghosts - which one?

Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Hate Christians So Much, Could This Be The Anti-christ Coming? by m4malik(m): 6:29am On Aug 07, 2006

@Abeem,

Abeem:
I understand your concerns on this matter, being a convert from Islam to Christianity. But the answer to your question is very simple. You see, nations the world over have a set of basic laws and principles or set of rules and guidelines that their citizens are governed by. It does not matter if as an individual you do not approve of some of the laws; the laws is applicable to all and sundry. If you do not like a law and you run foul of it, you will be prosecuted by the authorities to the full extent of the law.

Thanks for your response. First, I'd like you to understand that the background of the Sharia is very questionable. As long as Muhammad claimed to have been sent by the same God who speaks in the Bible, we should examine his claims by that same standard. You will not find any semblance of the Sharia in the Bible such that an apostate is put to death. This is what Muslims have not understood and so continue to take Muhammad's claims to be divine simply because he said so. His moral life alone should make any unbiased reader know that he was not sent by God as a prophet.

Abeem:
Some laws are formulated and written by elected representatives of the people into what is called the constitution. Some countries, especially those who profess the Islamic faith, do not think of man as an impartial lawgiver and chose the Sharia, a set of laws of divine origin. Now if you are a citizen of those Islamic countries who have agreed to be bounded by Sharia laws, and you run foul of any of its laws, i.e. becoming an apostate, when you know the penalty for the offense, would you blame Islam or yourself for your fate?

Now why should the Sharia apply to everyone living in a state who are not Muslims? Take the case of Nigeria, for example. When the Sharia was unconstitutionally imposed in some of the northern states, did they recognize and respect the rights of indigenes in those states who are non-Muslims? Now, the Muslim authorities may claim that the Sharia is divine, but how do we know that God actually spoke to them to unconstitutionally impose the Sharia in a secular state, in reckless disregard of the Federal Constitution that ensures a right to the life and safety of the citizens of the country? Since when has Nigeria become an Islamic country that the Sharia could be so imposed in some of her states in total disregard of an existing constitution - all in the name of "the divine origin of Sharia"?

Abeem:
Lets try another analogy. I live in the US in the State of Michigan. This State is considered a liberal state when it comes to death penalty. In the State of Texas in the same US, if you are found guilty of murder by the jury, the penalty for the crime is death sentence. Now I am not equating the offence of murder with apostasy but my point is on the rule of law. If you want to become an apostate, you can go live in a country that is governed by a different constitution and no harm will come to you.

There, you made my point. I am no longer safe as a Nigerian simply because I chose to leave Islam after having discovered it for what it actually is. Another person is no longer safe as an Afghan and needs to be chased out of his country for the same reason. Muslims love the protection offered in secular states, especially by the democracies of the West; but they can't stand the heat themselves experienced in their own "divine" rule of law.

Let me ask you something: what makes me a Nigerian or citizen of any country - my religion or my birthright?

To be quite honest with you, there are millions of innocent Muslims even within Muslim countries who would rather do without the Sharia; and we know that millions more who have migrated to Western democracies enjoy the freedom to do without some of the impositions of Muhammad's ideology in Islam, such as the Jilbab or Burq'a (although no punishments are ordained for the contravention of dress codes in Islam).

Abeem:
Similarly, a murderer can go on a killing spree in Michigan and if he is caught, he is sure to be convicted and given life sentence but not face death penalty. If however the same crime is committed in Texas, the fate of the criminal is sealed by death penalty.

Even within Islam there is a disavowal of the indiscrimate taking of people's lives (although this is yet to be seen on the practical side). Murder and manslaughter are very serious crimes that even non-religious governments discountenance. But it is quite another thing that an innocent person who committed no murder should be killed for simply changing his faith.

Abeem:
It is not for a non-Muslim to question the logic or otherwise of a people wanting to be governed by Sharia. If the people want it, why can't they have it. It is only non-Muslims who always think of Sharia laws as unbecoming of the civilized world.

Then it is not for Muslims to question the logic, civil and constitutional rights of any people to live in peaceful co-existence in a secular state. When the Sharia is unconstitutionally imposed in any state served by a federal consitution, that move should and must be questioned by all means. In a civilized world, it is very uncivilized for anyone to murder another person in the name of a religion that is too afraid to be examined in light of the collective conscience of sagacious and judicious citizens of any country.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Timing Of End Time Events by m4malik(m): 6:03pm On Aug 06, 2006

4get_me:
I don't think you should react unnecessarily to Bobby's language, if you have to reply at all.

Oh well, I thought I was the only one who saw his inconsistencies, and there's no need for me to reply to such. Thanks for your observations.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 4:06am On Aug 06, 2006

Bobbyaf:
Which means that you have never used info from a site to support your views!

When I use info from any site, I don't plagiarise blindly to the point of being strongly opinionated on misinformation. Second, I leave the link so others won't applaud me cheaply.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity And The Old Testament by m4malik(m): 12:57pm On Aug 05, 2006

Among the several purposes of the OT to Christians are the prophetic declarations that confirm who the Messiah is, and the nature of prophecy. Salvation is of the Jews - as Jesus Himself confirmed in John 4:22. But while Judaism served only the Israelites, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was for the entire world - both Jews and Gentiles. This Gospel would be provided by the Messiah, and the OT helps us to understand who the Messiah is in prophetic declarations, as well as the traits that would help identify Him.

Second, Judaism did not represent the realities of heavenly things, but just a shadow of those things. Now that in Christ the realities have been established, the shadow with its limited access to God, has been laid aside so that everyone who believes would experience the blessing of the everlasting covenant.

Christianity Etc › Re: Saturday The True Day Of Worship? by m4malik(m): 11:55am On Aug 05, 2006

Perhaps it would help if people try and understand the Old Testament worship better before mirroring that against the backdrop of NT worship. What exactly did the OT worship entail?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 7:31am On Aug 05, 2006

@syrup,

Don't bother yourself too much. His arguments are based on what he ferreted from a website or another.

Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by m4malik(m): 7:22am On Aug 05, 2006

babyosisi:
Told them to marry maximum of 4 wives but had about 12 to 16 including concubines forced and willing.

Well, if you had dared say any of those things while I was a Muslim, you would have been roasting like suya by now, because I would personally seen to it that you didn't get away with a dot of those stuff against my (ex-)prophet. I'm no longer boiling for him, but whatever else could be found out about him, I feel so sorry for those who still regard him as "holy" simply because he claimed to be a prophet.

Muhammad had more than 16 wives, and no one checked out his claim to have received the "revelation" to be so sexually promiscuous (Q. 33:50). Why so? Because he alone had the "private" conduit to "revelations" from *Allah*. He alone could wantonly do as he pleased while others could not. He alone could marry underaged children and have sex with them by "revelation" before their 10th birthday. The true God would not condone such lewdness - unless the one purporting to have been sent is a false prophet by Biblical standards. And as long as Muhammad claimed to have been sent by that same God who revealed the Bible, then he should be examined by the standard of righteousness revealed on its pages.

Why was there no other prophet in Islam to have received "revelation" to confirm Muhammad's immorality? I offer that it is because Islam was designed from the very beginning as a religion without true revelation and righteousness. It was a "revelation" based on a false conception of righteousness and according to Muhammad's arbitrary adjustments as he pleased. The result? He could not say for sure what *Allah* would do to him in that day. That is why when people find his claims untenable and want to leave Islam, Muhammad received yet another "revelation" to kill such because he personally considered them 'apostates'.

My heart is pained and I yearn for more and more Muslims to understand the character of the true God - He is holy and righteous and will not condone any form of immorality, no matter the claim to prophethood by anyone. Only the just and true One, Jesus Christ, can deliver people from the bondage of sin, whatever that sin may be. I had many in my life - but I have come to experience the real and powerful deliverance that Jesus offers. I only offer this challenge to my muslim friends: ask Jesus Christ sincerely to set you free from sin, and I guarantee you that He certainly will do so, and give you the gift of eternal life and the assurance of salvation with God. Don't wait until the end to cry the same thing as Muhammad did: he did not know what would happen to him in that day!

Sample this as a preview of the type of Judgement that will take place in that day (Rev. 22:14-15) -

"Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will have the right to come to the tree of life. They will be allowed to go through the gates into the city. Outside the city are the dogs and those who practice witchcraft. Outside are also those who commit sexual sins and murder. Those who worship statues of gods, and everyone who loves and does what is false, are outside too."

May God not let anyone of you muslims be locked outside in that day - if only you do the right thing now before it is too late!

Politics › Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Has Resigned by m4malik(m): 7:54pm On Aug 04, 2006

About time she resigned and threw the dirt in their face. Greedy boot-lickers will try to remain by force or whims and ruin their name in the mud of what has become of Nigeria's politics. I saw it coming anyway, but good to know she didn't take their rubbish - she's got a name that's still respected outside.

Romance › Re: Why do beautiful ladies end up with ugly men(and vice versa)? by m4malik(m): 7:38pm On Aug 04, 2006

It's love - however it happens. That's why there's a sweet mystery about it.

Events › Re: Only Virgins Deserve White Weddings? by m4malik(m): 7:36pm On Aug 04, 2006

Abeg, make I hear word. Let any woman choose what to wear, especially red for those randy husbands wey no dey hear word! Have you noticed that almost in all cases, the man wears black suits?? shocked

Virgins should be commended for their chastity. But if someone wasn't one before marriage, that should not disqualify them from choosing white for their special day. It's a celebration, not a refugee procession!

Romance › Re: Your Girlfriend Lied About Her Age by m4malik(m): 7:30pm On Aug 04, 2006

I was told that a lie is a last resort for a guy; but it's first aid for a gurl. She used it, so if her guy can't heal from that, too bad - he's the one with the problem.

Romance › Re: Questions To Ask Your Boyfriend by m4malik(m): 7:27pm On Aug 04, 2006

Hmmm, I'm learning.

Crime › Re: Rev.kings Devlish Actions by m4malik(m): 7:18pm On Aug 04, 2006

If this thread will not e-kill itself, we need details to be able to contribute.

Christianity Etc › Re: Starting An Inspirational Channel on Cable by m4malik(m): 7:09pm On Aug 04, 2006

Ol' boy, wetin happen? First, you "have made all findinds concerning the project". . . then you still need to make another findings on how you "can raise the needed capital for it"?? That doesn't tell me you've done a good feasibility study. The project idea is way so cool, though.

Christianity Etc › Re: Facts About Palestine by m4malik(m): 5:22pm On Aug 04, 2006

@carmelily,

While still a muslim, I read up the life of Muhammad, especially from the Hadith, and what I find there is what I post here.

The Bible captivated my heart after the grace of Christ touched me in a real way, and the same Bible I once ridiculed became the living Word of God to me. Why? Because I found that Muhammad in many places recast Biblical narratives in typical character of a false prophet by Biblical standards.

You can't match the honesty and sincerity of the Bible - and that's why God did not cover up the immoral lives of the list of prophets you gave (though they can't be technically called "Christian prophets" wink

. Solomon had a thousand women - what was his summation? Without God, all was vanity (read Eccl. 2). And Lot, who under intoxication committed incest with both his daughters, did not go unnoticed before God. The result was that he brought such a sad future upon his grandchildren to their tenth generation - they were not able to enter the congregation of the LORD (Gen. 19:36-38 & Deut. 23:2-3). David had his own mistakes as well, and God did not condone his sin with Bathsehba (II Sam. 11:27 - But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD); but in his sincere repentance, God forgave him but also made sure that His man was disciplined afterwards. Samson who fell into Delilah's laps knew the pain afterwards when the Spirit left him so that the Philistines were able to overpower him.

The problem with Muhammad, however, is that he pretends to have received a licence from *Allah* for every immorality he pursued, as if God would be pleased to grant him such lewd adventures. He purported to have received "revelation" for his pedophilia, claiming that he saw Aisha in a dream. He also claimed to have received a "revelation" to lust after all his paternal and maternal cousins. Then he received "revelation" in the same instance to play out his unbridled lust for all the women who came under him, including those he got in wars as "booties" to practice his insatiable sex drive, and so many other questionable things.

Now, in the face of all this, Muslims who have no qualms examining the 'sins' of the Jewish prophets are very quick to take offence when Muhammad's immorality is pointed out. They don't want us to question the immoral live of the prophet of Islam, but it's okay with them if any of the Biblical prophets are put under the magnifying glass.

Bottomline is that, the more we keep telling them to drop the prejudices and examine the grey areas of Muhammad, the more they would come close to seeing that they've been shortchanged by a false claim to prophethood. The holy God does not sanction immorality, no matter how much people want to excuse it. As long as Muhammad claimed to have been sent by that same God, we need to point out that Muhammad lived contrary to the claims of a true servant raised by that God.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End of Days by m4malik(m): 7:32am On Aug 04, 2006

Okay, so it didn't happen as they predicted on 3rd August. tongue

Islam › Re: Muslims: What's Your Favorite Ayah Or Surah In The Quran? by m4malik(m): 6:29am On Aug 04, 2006

Mukina2, Davidylan, Babyosisi, et al. . . thank you all. You're just wonderful people to hang around with. cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christianity Support Immorality And Pacifism? by m4malik(m): 6:25am On Aug 04, 2006

Great.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 6:23am On Aug 04, 2006

As to who wrote the covenants and the ten commandments in Exo. 34, I quote again -

Exo 34:27 >> And the LORD said unto. Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

"Moses, write thou" and Moses did. Whatever Moses wrote down was given by God, and there were no two laws.

As to who gives the one law and one manner of law, since it is God who does so (as you agreed it is He), you're suggesting that He gave a transient law and an absolute one.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Timing Of End Time Events by m4malik(m): 6:10am On Aug 04, 2006

@Bobbyaf,

There really shouldn't be any prolonged arguments about this issue, unless you just want to hold on to an inconsistent idea without carefully considering the texts in the Scriptures. Dru missed it altogethr and I'm surprised that you're now pandering onto to her misconception that the expression "the abomination of desolation" in Matthew 24:25 refers to a(n) situation/event rather than to a person. How you read a Greek construct is beyond me, and I'll quote it for you again:

Matthew 24:15 -

οταν ουν ιδητε το βδελυγμα της ερημωσεως το ρηθεν δια δανιηλ του προφητου SBεστως TAεστος εν τοπω αγιω ο αναγινωσκων νοειτω.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

You can see that a situation does not "stand in the holy place", and until you calm down and carefully look into Scripture, you'll still keep going round ferreting and substituting inconsistent ideas into the texts. First, it was Christ, then it was a Roman Emperor, . . . now it is a situation. What you fail to see there is that Christ wasn't referring to Himself as the "abomination of desolation" [βδελυγμα της ερημωσεως] that stands in the holy place! Much less was He referring to a situation standing there!

The construct in Greek treats it as a phrasal noun and refers to someone who stands there in the holy place, and to make it unmistakably lucid, Christ points out that He was referring to Daniel's prophecy. When you turn to the prophecy in question in Daniel 9:26-27, there you find again that it was not a situation/event standing in the holy place, but a despicable individual with his army who comes to "destroy the city and the sanctuary" (v. 26).

Quoting Daniel 9:27 -

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Notice carefully that this verse identifies three things that this individual would do:

(a) he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

(b) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

(c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate

You'll find that the "he" in this verse would be pointing to one of the individuals in verse 26 - the Messiah or the prince that shall come. The reason it could not be referring to the Messiah is that in verse 27,

(a) Christ did not confirm a covenant with anyone for one week!

(b) He did not cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in the midst of the week in question

(c) He did not influence an overspreading of abominations nor make it (the overspread) desolate.

Who then could this verse be referring to? Christ in Matthew 24:15 points out that he is none other than the individual called by the phrasal noun "the abomination of desolation" [βδελυγμα της ερημωσεως] who "stands in the holy place". And what about "the overspreading of desolations"? Look again in Matt. 24:21 - the incomparable tribulation that will take place.

At any rate, when you study the Greek construct (it shouldn't be difficult to do if you're familiar with basic Greek) in Matt. 24:15, you can't sustain the idea that Drusilla put forward advocating the phrasal noun ("the abomination of desolation" wink

as a situation. The word "abomination" in that verse is βδελυγμα = (bdelugma), and does not mean a "situation that is loathsome and disgusting to God or His people." To insist on that is to push an idea not sustained at all in God's Word.

Islam › Re: Muslims: What's Your Favorite Ayah Or Surah In The Quran? by m4malik(m): 8:59pm On Aug 03, 2006

Em, guys. . . let's leave the thread for them. It was created for Muslims to share what they find interesting in the Qur'an. Other threads are open where we could all share intellectual debates about issues - this is not one of them. Please, I implore us to respect their thread. Thank you.

Islam › Re: Muslims: What's Your Favorite Ayah Or Surah In The Quran? by m4malik(m): 8:12pm On Aug 03, 2006

belloti:
without mincing words the greatest enemy of islam is davidylan.

I almost fell off my seat with guffaws at that! Oga Davidylan, how come you suddenly broke record?? I was wondering that they didn't remember Gwaine!

Christianity Etc › Re: Da Vinci Code: A Lesson To Muslims by m4malik(m): 8:06pm On Aug 03, 2006

I guess as much, bro. I just want them to understand that it's about time they reconsider the issues they've been treating with kids gloves all this while - because if it was not for the mercy of God, I would have remained there and doomed when Christ returns to judge the world.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 8:03pm On Aug 03, 2006

I really wonder. Ask him.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Timing Of End Time Events by m4malik(m): 8:02pm On Aug 03, 2006

@Bobbyaf,

You haven't brought anything new, but have kept going round in circles and recasting your ideas in new clichés. It's really simple: if Christ is the one who in Daniel 9:26 "shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary", then you're saying that the same Christ is the one called "the abomination of desolation" that stands in "the holy place" in Matthew 24:15!

The new interpretation you've brought up now is "the He in verse 27, is the Christ in matthew 24 causing the desolation by allowing the Romans to destroy the temple". Please look well again - the verse did not say that He "allowed" - rather, it directly says in Daniel 9:26 that "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." In Matthew 24:15, there's no sense of Christ being "the abomination of desolation" who wrecks the havoc there. It is not Christ who causes the desolation, for that would make Him directly the abomination of desolation!

With regards to the "covenant" in Daniel 9:27, you inserted the word "new" there where it does not say so. A covenant confirmed for only one week is hardly an everlasting covenant.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 7:39pm On Aug 03, 2006

lordimpaq:
sorry i've been readin his posts but i don't seem to get it, he's confusing me,

You're not the only one confused, and won't be the last - unless he comes round seeing what the Bible says.

lordimpaq:
and if there is one law as u emphasize, then why are there comparative differences in the two codes?

No, he's not convinced there's one law and that's not his emphasis. Rather, he sees one lawgiver with two laws, even though God Himself emphatically shows that there's only one law -

Exo. 12:49 - "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you."

Lev. 24:22 - "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God."

Num. 15:16 - "One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."

Christianity Etc › Re: Da Vinci Code: A Lesson To Muslims by m4malik(m): 7:29pm On Aug 03, 2006

Let's understand this:

What is fair in a system that promotes sexual immorality?

What is fair in a system that maltreats women and regards them as sub-human?

What is fair about a system that seeks to murder people for choosing to convert from Islam to other faiths?

What is fair about a system that promotes hatred towards other people groups?

What is fair about a system that seeks to shroud and mystify the immorality of its prophet?

. . . many more questions; but while we don't hate Muslims for their convictions, it won't be fair to leave them free to hate people in hope that they're serving God, or to take for granted that the same "God" gave the licence to a 'prophet' to pursue sin and immorality.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sabbath -What day is this? by m4malik(m): 7:16pm On Aug 03, 2006

My broda @lordimpaq,

I'm not the one advocating the idea of two laws - and you can see who's been saying that time and again:

Bobbyaf:

I will repeat for emphasis. There is one law giver who is God, but different codes of laws for different purposes.

and . . .

Bobbyaf:

While I agree with you that there is one law giver, your understanding is very much flawed concerning God's 10 commandments law as they relate to the other Mosaic laws. Let me give you some comparitive differences between the two sets of codes

Now what have we been saying? The very same thing that you're now saying: "its the same law" (your quote), and you went on to reason out that -

lordimpaq:
except if the law written by the hand of God is different from the law written by the hand of moses (i don't expect it to be different though)

I have ever maintained that there is only one Law, not two laws or two sets of codes; and syrup has helped to make this point as clear as one could help it by quoting the references for that. If one has a difficulty accepting what the Scriptures have stated, and just instead quotes other texts in isolation, there's no use keeping up an argument thereto. One has to prayerfully read the Bible - contextually, carefully, fully - before pedantically holding on to one's private view or interpretation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Facts About Palestine by m4malik(m): 6:56pm On Aug 03, 2006

belloti:
Unfortunately, some of you guys satisfy your ego by insulting others. It says a lot about who we really are, but that was not the concept behind this somewhat beautiful contraption called nairaland.

Then try not being so brazen at calling others "fools" - it says a lot about who you really are, even though that's not the concept behind Nairaland.

belloti:
Islam is a great religion and the Rasoul is the best example of humility and patience, if only you care to find out

The things we found out about the Rasoul do not qualify him as the best example of humility and patience. I spare you the repeatition of what have already been exposed about him in that regard; and we wait to see how Muslims today attempt to launder the very questionable and immoral aspects of his life and career. There are men who make no claim to prophethood but have lived more exemplifying moral lives.

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