babyosisi:

hey shahan,you carry (oyibo) man go naija?
times have changed

Y'all no know notin yet. This shahan sef.

She travelled on excuse that she was 'treating' her sis to holiday in far away Australia. I thought it was a joke; but before I could ask to join, both of them giggled and whooshed off!

Next the family knew, shahan landed home with a bia-bia Australian. How many days or even weeks from take off?? E no dey tay for woman to utilize her divine gift, you know?

The guy tall, no be small - and made my dad look like a dwarf! I laugh tire until . . . my good ol' popsy gave me the look that could kill _{(without jihad!)}

This is not to expose my sweet sis, lest she thinks I'm on a revenge mission. But then, for all those who are seeing vision, . . . em, perhaps there's a need to do the Jeremiah factor here. Me, my heart glad for the precious gift she brought back for me!


Me and this 'aussie go dig' well-well. . . and e no matter whether any bodi change my name to Laban!

@8oracle,

There's really no need for your rantings - you only help to promote your weakness.

What we're all interested in here on this thread is to proffer proof from God's Word why Jesus cannot be God. Several people here have gone deep enough to do that, and if they didn't quite hit the point in your own perspective, the brilliant thing to do is come up with Scriptures that negate those points. What do you have to say about the concrete and well articulated outlines by shahan?

@shahan,

Oga sir, many thanks for adding to my understanding on the subject. More blessings.

@Bobbyaf,

I must say you have really proven your official title as a blatant liar, and sorry if it hurts you. You don't even know your SDA history, and your drive to defend the failed prophecies of both William Miller and Ellen G. White is nauseating, to say the least. May God have mercy and open your eyes to His truth instead of following the false prophets of the SDA.

@shahan,

I salute your courage and passion; but the simple thing is, God's church is bigger than any denomination. We can all argue from now till thy-kingdom-come, but it won't change that fact whether some people label others as "babylon" or we think of some as "legalistic" or whatever.

If we are persuaded of God's truth as we are able, may God grant us the grace to therein rejoice and celebrate the same in those who love His truth as well, even where they don't belong to our own denomination.

Jesus is LORD.

@ Donzman,

Donzman:

You are just reaching conclusions that are far from forthcoming. Due to the fact you have an idea of the trinity, you automatically attribute "our" to the trinity. Could "our"not be referring to "God, angels and the hosts of heaven"?

The "Us" and "Our" in Gen. 1:26 does not include the angels and heavenly hosts for the simple reasons that:

(1) any work of creation in the divine afflatus was the prerogative of the Godhead - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit;

(2) not a single verse in the Bible remotely suggests that the angels or the heavenly hosts were once involved in the work of creation;

(3) man was made to worship God as the Creator; and no worship was ascribed to any angel created by God [for He will not share His glory with any created being - Isaiah 42:8];

(4) the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are together involved in the Salvation of men in such a way that no angel or heavenly host is able to be involved [angels are ministering spirits (Heb. 1:14), and they desire to understand our salvation - I Pet. 1:12].

Donzman:

Again, bible never explicitly states God the father, God the son and God the Holy Ghost. That is one of the contributions of the early catholic church.

Granted, neither does the Bible specifically mention the words "BIBLE" or "RAPTURE" or "SUBSTITUTION"; but all these great truths are revealed on its pages, inviting our dilligent study and promising rich blessings for those who do so - "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter" [Prov. 25:2].

Donzman:

I do believe that Jesus is God by the way. Is the son of a human not human?

Helep me ask them

@damosky,

While you're waiting on those, could you please answer the following:

John 1:1
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Rom. 9:5
"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen."

Tit. 2:13
"Looking for the glad hope, the revelation of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ"

Heb. 1:8
"But of the Son he says, Your seat of power, O God, is for ever and ever; and the rod of your kingdom is a rod of righteousness."

1 John 5:20
"And we are certain that the Son of God has come, and has given us a clear vision, so that we may see him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

Rev 22:12-13
"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to each one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

@opia,

Did you consider the meaning of the source you cited before drawing inferences?

opia:


Volume 2 of The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (1976) . . .states:

“Jesus Christ does not usurp the place of God. His oneness with the Father does not mean absolute identity of being.

First, considering the construct of the language, that the Word (Jesus) was called God on John 1:1 simply points to the fact that the Word was being presented in his absolute identity of being. Christ was given divine appellations in Scripture, not simply as titles of honour, but to the effect of testifying to His true essence. For instance, Isaiah 9:6 (the Mighty God), Psa. 2:12 (the Son), Dan. 7:9, 13 & 22 (the Ancient of Days) are not mere appellations of honour, but truly identifying Jesus Christ indeed in His essential being. In the case of Dan. 7, it is not merely a case of describing Jesus with the picture of the 'Ancient of Days' (God); for how do you describe Him with divinity and yet make Him out not to be exactly as you describe?

Again, as quoted:

opia:

Although the Son of God in his pre-existent being was in the form of God, he resisted the temptation to be equal with God (Phil. 2:6).

Two things, please: (a) what exactly is meant by "in the form of God" that says He is not God? (b) the Phil. 2:6 verse reads: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God." It was not a resisting 'the temptation to be equal with God'; but rather, not counting the very fact of His equality with God as a robbery.

opia:

In his earthly existence he was obedient to God, even unto death on the cross (Phil. 2:. He is the mediator, but not the originator, of salvation (2 Cor. 5:19; Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:15), . . .

If Christ is not the originator of salvation, what then did Heb. 12:2 mean by calling Him "the author and finisher of our faith"?

opia:

If in Rev. 1:13 ff. the appearance of the heavenly son of man is described with features from the picture of the ‘Ancient of Days’ (God) of Dan. 7, this is not to say that Christ is equal with God. In Rev. a distinction is always made between God and the ‘Lamb’.”

Surely the overall view of the Scriptures points to the fact that Jesus was not God as the Trinity doctrine claims.

A distinction is always made throughout Scripture between the Person and office of Christ. Jesus is the Son of Man as well the Son of God (Matt. 16:13 & 16); He is the Lamb of God as well the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5 & 6); He is the Shepherd as well as the Door of our salvation (John 10:2, 7 & 9); etc. In all these, any careful reader cannot miss the point that only One Person fills all descriptions above. So, to deny that the Lamb is Himself very God on the premise of stretching distinctions is to miss the point by ignoring the collective testimony of Scripture.

Further, the heavenly 'Son of Man' described with features from the picture of the 'Ancient of Days' is exactly that - God! He is not merely described; He is actually God. He is the same who spoke in the preceding verse 11 of Rev. 1, calling Himself "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last", and reiterates this in verse 17 when He laid His hands on the apostle John. Not only so, but also in the last chapter of Revelation, He again identifies Himself emphatically as we read: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev. 22:12-13). He was not merely assuming that appellation for Himself, but emphatically declaring who He actually is with "I am. . ."

Surely, the overall view of Scripture points to the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed God as attested to in the Trinity doctrine.

Bobbyaf:

If you'd spend the time thinking before responding each time you read my post with such open bias you'd have been better able to make a more positive contribution, but alas your bias has blinded you.

No bother, I was only helping you remove the log in your own eyes before attempting the speck in others'. Just because we didn't fall for your polarization towards your denom SDA, we didn't make 'positive contribution' and have become blindly biased? Well, come back gritting about not being able to stand your own predilection as you've been unable to spend time thinking through before posting your blather.

More quotes will come. . . for those who are still 'waiting'.

The Qur'an forbids Muslims to do the very same thing it is guilty of doing - worshipping many *allahs*. To join or associate any or many gods to Muhammad's *allah* was considered a blasphemy that risked unforgiveness. Yet, when Muslims pray or worship, they really do not see that they are actually directing their worship to the many 'gods' that Muhammad came to preach under a pretence of 'strict monotheism'.

I beg those who still adhere to the book of Muhammad to read its pages without the usual Islamic bias. They will find the disguised polytheism of this 'prophet' exposed and that will be the start of a new discovery for many people. May God indeed help such to discover the truth before it os too late.

Oh brother! I don't think cabali has a part 3 movie sequel to your question, mrpataki. Don't be surprised if he comes back doing the same thing again - dudging questions and then sounding off his sarcasm.

@davidylan,. . .lol.

Well, let me help muki compare again. So, Muhammad was like any other Imam then, simply because he married and had children just like them, yeah?

Besides, here's why Muhammad is different from Moses (never mind that they both begin with an "M":

1. Muhammad was a polygamist; Moses was a monogamist.

2. Muhammad took an underaged kid as wife; Moses took a grown woman as wife.

3. Muhammad justified his lust with the Qur'an; Moses condemned unrighteousness.

4. Muhammad never heard *allah* speak to him; Moses heard God speak to him many times.

5. Muhammad sinned many times; Moses sought after righteousness.

6. Muhammad was an Arab; Moses was a Jew.

7. Muhammad encouraged coitus interruptus among his followers; Moses repudiated sexual perversion.

8. Muhammad preached many *allahs* for Muslim worship; Moses preached only one true God for Jewish worship.

9. Muhammad was terrified at the prospect of dying; Moses was confident of God's goodness at his end.

10. Muhammad was not sure what his *allah* would do to him 'on that day'; Moses was privileged to stand with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

If this ideology of making Muhammad resemble Moses does not make the Muslim think again, it is not surprising that they've made the quraish prophet resemble every other prophet in all religions.

ThiefOfHearts:

lol. Looks like I hit some nerves and mr malik or whatever, I fail to see what you're babbling about

I was merely using your bull**it to school up your baby muki. Is that babbling?? If you fail to see anything, does it translate - that you can't really see??

mukina2:

m4malik did i offer you anything?
we don't need people like you in Islam

Hehehe  

Wetin I do you?? Did I solicit to belong to the religion of many *allahs*?? I'm out of Islam already - do you miss me, or what now??

The Qur'an was simply written by men, that's why most Muslims don't talk about 'inspiration'. No book was sent down to Muhammad as he claimed, and the Qur'an being used today is the political redaction of the third Caliph Uthman, who ordered that the copies of the Qur'anic scripts he didn't like, should be burnt.

There are many 'allahs' worshipped in Islam. They may not know this, but there are numerous verses in the Qur'an that show the 'gods' being worshipped by Muslims are many. They pray to them, worship them, fear them, obey them, . . . and one day they believe Muslims will return to these many 'gods' and be judged.

Free yourself by trusting in Jesus Christ - the One whom Muhammad denied by substituting his own tales about 'the son of Miriam' as a 'slave' of the many 'allahs' he preached. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the only One who truly saves.

@MrGold,

Let me help you do some thinking by exploring your weak assumptions:

1. The claim of "over 1000 contradictions" show how naive and polarized you can be. There are as many contradictions in the Qur'an, if not more - it is just that people haven't taken the time to carefully read through and see for themselves. Anyone who doesn't understand the message of the Bible can multiply some imaginary 'thousands of contradictions'; and yet when they are pointed to what they missed, they find some new excuse for rejecting the Bible.

Further, if the Bible is filled with over 1000 contradictions, are you not then attacking the Qur'an itself that says *allah* sent down and confirmed the same Bible you repudiate? In the Qur'an, *allah* made the claim that it is impossible for anyone to change anything of what he has revealed and sent down. And if he claimed to have revealed the Law of Moses, the Psalms of David, and the Gospel of Jesus - has he contradicted himself when he came back later to say that what he revealed has been corrupted?

2. First, the apostles of Jesus met Him, lived and ministered with Him, and were opposed because of Him. Let me remind you of some texts you probably have read:

I John 1:1-2
John declared that they actually saw Jesus with their eyes, and touched or handled Him with their hands.

John 20:27-28
Jesus presented Himself to His disciples and asked one of them, Thomas Didymus to feel His pierced hands. Guess what Thomas called Him - see for yourself.

Acts 1:3-4
After the Resurrection, Jesus was with His disciples for fourty days teaching them about the Kingdom.

Now, your claim that the Bible was written about 400 years after Jesus Depature is a laugh indeed. Serious scholars know that the New Testament were written in the 1st century, and not even Muhammad denies this by adjusting the date to some 400 years after Christ. Your problem is simply that you don't have a clue even of your own religious history - for when you carefully consider the facts, the Qur'an was written by men and was not a book sent down to Muhammad as he claimed. Not only so, but Islamic history bears witness of the fact that the Qur'an of today is a political redaction of the third Caliph, Uthman - and all other copies predating this Caliph were ordered burnt.

3. So, you can see that you had no clue about your misgivings before posting your wrong premise and weak claims. When you've done some thinking yourself, you'll be able to make informed input and not the cheap entries re-arranged by some vexed Imam.

MrGold:

Yes, God says they have eyes but cannot see, have ears but cannot hear.

Again, that's a quote from the same Bible you claim has over 1000 contradiction. Did Muhammad shortchange you and you don't even know it yet??

MrGold:

many people are so blinfolded that with all their exposure and education they are still ignorant of true God instead they worship the CREATURE not CREATOR.

Speaking of creatures, why don't you look more closely in the Qur'an at those creatures who claim to be the creators that Muslims worship and pray to? Just scroll up and see in my previous post. . . or should I remind you again? Here are a few:

Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time. . ."

Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; . . ."

Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth. . ."

Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve"  (trans. by Pickthal: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone).".

Those are from your Qur'an; but with all your exposure and education, are you still ignorant of the creatures you worship?

Sallam.

@Bioye,

That weathered idea that the Bible was compiled by a Roman Emperor for political reasons have been carefully refuted time and again by even non-Christian historians.

First, you'll find that the dates for your arguments have been adjusted, in just the way Dan Brown did in his fiction, the Da Vinci Code.

Second, you'll also find that the Romans were against Christians and Jews, so there was not a hint of their being so benevolent afterwards to help Christians "select" the books that make up the Bible.

Third, the Jewish Torah are simply the Pentateuch and they are part of the Bible. So, it's not a matter of putting them at opposite ends to infer that they "share similar origins".

@shahan,

Lol. . . I don't feel you're filling any gap for me, actually. He's entitled to his opinions and thinks if anyone disagrees with him, then the person must be 'aggressive' of sorts. Holding a belief and at the same time denying it, is not making his lengthy epistle any more dressed up than it already was. If you have seen that, nothing more to say, shahan. Peace.

Hi shahan,

Please forbear, lest he thinks you're also angry and aggressive. The sad thing is, he who accuses others can't take the heat of his own accusations. If you can see that, point made.

@Bobbyaf,
Don't catch at straws, because you're not helping your own assumptions by supposing I'm Catholic or RCC. I only extend to you the warmth of seeing Christians in other churches as God sees them, instead of as SDA sees them. Shallom.

Salute!

You have always "waited".

Just to understand your bearing: are you trying so hard to understand issues, or you just want to see if the answers proferred square with your personal, limited view of Islam?

Let's start by asking you this: why does Romans 3:10, 23 bother you?

If you're trying to exonerate Muhammad of sins, then I'll be back to rub minds with you. if not, please be my guest and let's discuss this interesting subject.

Sallam.

I'm sorry to come back and read your tale without answering my questions. Not surprising because you don't have any answers. I didn't try to make you look bad - you just did yourself - if you feel bad, and you can smile about that if it makes you feel better.

What you should understand, my dear, is that I'm not angry; and because you're unsure of yourself, you read me so. If every and all denoms do not "come closest" to your SDA, then you feel all the better to see them as:

Bobbyaf:

Christendom today is referred to as "Babylon" or religious confusion, of which the RCC is head.

. . . babylon is doing the same thing today, but this time it represents all false teachings, including professed christian churches.

So, the SDA is not a "professed christian church", no? Easy to accuse others, but yours "comes closest".

Well said, Havila.

Babyosisi, hope you're doing good. God bless.

Babs787, come back and 'wait' and pretend no answers have been given, you hear?? May God open your eyes as He did mine. I can only pray for you - because it was hard for me as a muslim; but there's no one God can't save. Shallom.

Confused about what. . . about who?? Come back soon let's strip this Dr. Tariq of yours to bare bones - his cheap 'research' has left you somewhere you don't belong.

mukina2:

m4malik you dnt belong anywhere . .plss find somewhere you can call your own . .

Like where - the same place where you've lost your bearing and have to sight the moon before performing rituals? Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

Bobbyaf:

Yes he was both God and human, but what you need to highlight is that Christ could not have acted out His divinity while on earth,

You're still denying what you try to teach. First, you stated earlier that He could not have been both God and Human; now you come back denying your own premise.

Now it is queer that you could acknowledge His deity and Humanity but see only the latter without the former. The Bible reveals that He manifested His deity in His Humanity - not one without the other. While on earth as Man, here are a few text that show Him manifesting His power and glory as Divine:

John 1:14 - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 11:25 - "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live."

Matt. 9:6 - "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house."

John 3:19  "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

The fact that the divine Son sought the will of the Father did not take away from the Divinity of the Son. This does not mean that Jesus died as "God": He died as Man as the Scriptures testify. However, even while He was on earth, He was still the very One in whom all things subsist - Heb. 1:3.

MrGold:

SAY, GOD IS ONE WHOM ALL DEPEND
HE BEGETS NOT ,NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN
HE IS ETERNAL AND NO ONE LIKE UBTO HIM[b]

analysis:

FATHER + SON+SPIRIT ='3'  NOT '1'  therefore NONE of them is God

MrGold, welcome to the forum. Let me analyse your analysis:

Speaking of your own *Allah*, this is what you said of him: "HE IS ETERNAL AND NO ONE LIKE UBTO HIM". You may actually believe that Islam is monotheistic, but then let me ask you this: If no one is like unto the *Allah* of the Qur'an, then who are those who do exactly the same thing as he does:

Question 1. Are there more than one *Allah* as creator in the Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! Read the following:

Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you. . ."

Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate."

Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth"

Q.51 vs.47-49
"And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample. . .And the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out. . . And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction."
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Question 2. Are there more than one *Allah* that people pray to in Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! See for yourself:

Sura 10 vs.12
"When trouble toucheth a man, he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes!"
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Question 3. Are there more than one *Allah* that is being worshipped in Islam?
Qur'an answers with an emphatic YES!! Check it out for yourself:

Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve"  (translated by Pickthal, the verse truly reads: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone)." - meaning that more than one *allah* is being worshipped by Muslims and they don't even know it!!).

The Qur'an even states that this polytheistic gods in Islam will be the judges of all Muslims:

Q.21 vs.35
"Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return."

So, MrGold. . . you see that your monotheism is actually polytheism disguised; and though you can swear by Muhammad, it does not change the fact that there are several "gods" being worshipped by Muslims. The Qur'an declares more than one *allah* who say that "Verily We created man" (analysis: "WE" is not equal to monotheism); it is these many *allahs* that Muslims blindly worship, as they testified: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone).". . . and it is to these many "gods" that they pray to >> he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- !

Yet, you may not know it - but these many deities cannot save, and Muhammad himself had no assurance towards the end of his life after serving, praying to, worshipping and crying to these many *allahs* >>

Sahih Muslim, [10], Book 4, Number 1212:
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet entered my house when a Jewess was with me and she was saying: Do you know that you would be put to trial in the grave? The Messenger of Allah trembled (on hearing this) and said: It is the Jews only who would be put to trial. Aisha said: We passed some nights and then the Messenger of Allah said: Do you know that it has been revealed to me: "You would be put to trial in the grave"? Aisha said: I heard the Messenger of Allah seeking refuge from the torment of the grave after this."

Is this what your analysis leads you to trust - in *allahs* that bring torment and cannot save?

mukina2:

m,4malik you dnt know were you belong. .you are confused

Oh broderly!!
If a child has told me that, it would have made my day! Who's more confused - me, or you and babs787 who keep waiting for answers even though they are starring you in the face? My dear, it's only those who don't know where they have been, where they are, and where they are going - only such keep waiting and keep escaping through the backdoor. Like davidylan has said, babs787 is using it so well!!

Malice. . . or you're the child that can't read? I'm not surprised that you would be laughing yourself full at the malice and bull**it you've always wanted hauled at Christians - and now that TOH has come to your rescue, you can't hide your joy. Thing is, she can't even stand her own bull**it.

mukina2:

i don't need your pity . .i am a muslim . .i believe in my religion and i don't critizise others to make a point.

To be fair, I agree with you on that one as not many times do you realise you own criticism of others. . . the only thing you do is be happy when you read others trying so hard to do so as long as they don't do it at Muhammad or Islam.

mukina2:

remember . .there's no god but Allah and MUhammad(saw) is his messenger

Oh dearie, there's a new topic about that now where you recycled Twelve proofs of one Shaykh `Abdul Rahman `Abdul Khaliq. The messenger you have been following will soon be brought for all to see - by his very own statement.

Pity. . .pity. . .pity!!    
This is the prime example of the "bull**it" that mukina2 likes to hear, as long as it polarizes towards her:

ThiefOfHearts:

I like Mukina and I can tell that all this shit annoys her and I just wish she wouldnt give you wolves the time of day. Now move along and don't bother me with your selfrighteous bullshit.

Ahem. . . mukina, over to you: is this the type of "malice" you can be happy with, but you can't take from Christians?? Need I try to prove anything at all? Malice koo, malice nii  

mukina2:

i am tired with them
they are full of malice . .i have never gone against xtianity here

Na wah. . .

I am just talking as well.

I make mistakes like you and everyone else.

I know where I belong and by the special mercies of God, I won't shake like Muhammad.

Infact, I admire her endurance - not even her male counterparts have been that enduring in the religious forum. This also makes me wonder if according to the Qur'anic 'research' by one Dr. Tariq men are equal to women, just on the assumption of how many times they are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Rest assured, if the men have gone away, we miss them for the good laughs they offer. But they should have asked themselves why they ridicule Christians and Christianity as they have done previously.

@Brizio,

Brizio:

hey guys, I'm not like the devil incarnate or anything, far from it but the thing is i don't believe Jesus is God.

Not believing that Jesus is God does not make you the devil incarnate. However, the reason why you can't believe why He is expressly God is because you choose not to believe that the Bible is inspired by God, as you have hinted at:

Brizio:

have you guys ever stopped to consider the fact that the bible was written by men who could have written down anything including their hallucinations.

Christians who know God have never denied that the Words you read in the Bible were written by the hands of men. But mark well that what you call 'hallucinations' are clearly the inspired word of God -

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" - 2 Pet. 1:21. . . and >>

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Tim. 3:16.

You may like to call what God has inspired as 'hallucinations', but carefully consider what that is saying about you. Reading your lines only makes you sound like you neither know God nor believe in Him. Let me share this with you:

As a muslim, we were taught the very things you pressume while at the same time made to believe that the Qur'an was not written by men, but by Allah himself! Even internal evidence in the Qur'an itself shows that assumption to be very wrong - for regardless of any arguments any muslim will put up, the Qur'an was written by men and not by Allah.

It was the love and power of the true God that opened my eyes to see to the truth of the Bible; and it declares that Jesus is indeed God - John 1:1.