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Another Atheist / Theist argument..

*Grabs some popcorn and cream soda*

Jozzy4:
Who is the one God ?

John 17:3 "3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Shema O yitsrael Adonai Elohinu Adonai ehad Devarim 6:4

Hear O! Israel the lord our God the lord is one. Deu.6:4

Mark 12:29 "29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord



Finally this one God is no other but Yahweh.

Jozzy4:
Good , do you now agree that Jesus is under the authority of His God and Father , Almighty Yahweh ?

It was all your confusion all along...I have never considered the Father and the son being equal either. The scripture made this clear in 1 Cor.15:24-28

"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

I can see that you might need to go study on the use of the word 'God' its a generic title, any supreme being can assume, we worship one God ok! He is all in all..just like the last verse explained it "all things has been subjected to the Son and the Son is subjected to the father so that he(God the father) might be all in all"

1. Since we can't find the original version of the gospel that is why we don't know where to reference translated Bibles and proof its validity in the original language Jesus spoke. Reason why human can remove and add to the bible.

With Parisbookaddict and Channelz exegeses of the true gospel, I hope am not too late to reply, have been away for some days..it wasn't long I logged in to see this comment.

If you cant find the original copy of the Bible, then the burden of proof is on you to make provision of the original copy of the Bible. And may I tell you that there are over 5000 manuscripts of the bible all dated up to 1500 years ago and their translations have been confirmed to be exactly accurate with what we have as the Bible today.

2. Jesus called God his father he also called God "our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name....." does imply that we are all children of God not in the literal sense.

And this status we attain also in Christ by inheritance to be sons of God...1 John 3:1-2 "1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

3.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (Confirmed In Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

The reality is there are many contradictions in the bible that even yourself cannot seem to explain.

God is not human . Worship God alone. He doesn't bwhet neither was he begotten and there's nothing comparable to Him. Exalted is he above all the ascribe in partner in worship with him.

Jesus as the Unique Son of God

What, then, is the evidence for this tremendous claim? Is it because Jesus, though a man born of a woman, was yet born of a virgin? Some Christians, it is true, might conclude that because Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, therefore He is the Son of God. Likewise, some Muslims, while denying that Jesus is the Son of God, might consider the virgin birth of Jesus to be the basis for Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Biblically speaking, however, Jesus' Sonship does not rest upon His being born of the virgin Mary. On the contrary, as we shall later see more clearly, His virgin birth rests upon His Sonship. Before Mary ever was, the Son of God is. Jesus does not become the Son of God, but the Son of God becomes Jesus. Thus Jesus, as the Son, speaks to the Father about "the glory I had with You before the world began" (John 17:5; cf. Colossians 1:13-20), long before Mary ever was. This eternal Son of God entered into the limitations of time and space by the power of God working through the virgin Mary and was born as a man, called Jesus, in Bethlehem some nineteen centuries ago.

Similarly, Jesus is not the Son of God because of His mighty works and wonderful words. On the contrary, He does His mighty works and speaks His wonderful words because He is the Son of God.

True, both the manner of Jesus' birth and the nature of His works lend evidence for His Sonship. But neither, alone or together, provides the origin or basis for His Sonship. The distinction is important.

Indeed, His works witness to His Sonship. A "son" must be obedient to his "father", doing his will and works, being like him (cf. John 8:37-47). Jesus Himself pointed to His works as evidence of the fact that He is the Son of God: "If I am not acting as my Father would, do not believe me. But if I am, accept the evidence of my deeds, even if you do not believe me, so that you may recognise and know that the Father is in me, and I in the Father" (John 10:37f.). Jesus did the works of God, His Father, acting as God would.

In addition to the evidence of His works, Jesus had other proof that He is the Son of God. At important times in His life, He was called the Son of God by the Father Himself and by others:

1. The Annunciation: The angel Gabriel told the virgin Mary that her son would be called "the Son of God". (Luke 1:32,35)

2. The Baptism: God's voice from heaven proclaimed: This is my Son, whom I love." (Matthew 3:17, etc.)

3. The Transfiguration: God's voice once again proclaimed: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him." (Mark 9:7, etc.)

4. The Crucifixion: The Roman centurion and his men confessed at the time of Jesus' crucifixion: "Surely he was the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:54)

5. The Resurrection: St. Paul writes that Jesus' resurrection from the dead declared Him to be "the Son of God". (Romans 1 :4)

Others in addition to God Himself, His angel, and the Roman soldier proclaimed that Jesus is the Son of God. Madmen and even unclean spirits confessed to Jesus: "You are the Son of God." (Mark 3:11; cf. 5:7; Matthew 8:29; Luke 4:41; 8:28) . Jesus' disciples also confessed that He is "the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16; cf. 14:33). Jesus, as a true Son, preferred to give glory to His Father, but He too would not deny His Sonship (Matthew 26:63f.; Mark 14:62; John 10:36). Of interest in the first two of these passages (and others) is the close association between the terms "Messiah" and "Son of God".

It is also interesting to note how closely Jesus' Sonship is associated with His suffering (Romans 5:10; 8:32; Galatians 2:20; Hebrews 5:8; 6:6) . When Jesus was famished after a long fast, the tempter said to Him: "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread" (Matthew 4:3, etc.). When Jesus was in agony on the cross, the passersby mocked Him and said: "Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:40). These speakers forgot that Jesus is the Son of God. God, who seeks and serves and even suffers to save those whom He loves, the people of the world. He is not the son of some earthly king, who must show his might and save his pride by appearing to be victorious in the eyes of the world, according to the world's standards. It was just because He is the Son of the God of love that He would not use His power for selfish purposes but perfectly fulfilled the will of His Father, who chose to reveal Himself and His love to all men through His suffering Servant/Son.

Even a casual reading of the verses cited above would show that the use of the term "Son of God" with reference to Jesus is different in both quality and extent from the other uses mentioned previously. Others were graciously chosen by God as His adopted sons; the Son is in the Father eternally. Others obeyed the Father, though imperfectly; Jesus the Son obeyed Him perfectly, without sin (Hebrews 4:15) . Sons should be like their father, but only Jesus was perfect like Him in His goodness, giving Himself completely for Him and His people. The Father has entrusted all judgement to the Son alone, "that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father" (John 5:22,23). Only the Son gives life as the Father gives life (John 5:21). For was the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself" (John 5:26). The Son is obedient to the Father, with the will of the Father becoming concretized in the way of the Son; but the Father also listens and gives heed to the Son (John 11:41-44). Thus there is a sharing of power, authority, knowledge, glory, and kingship which indicates a relationship of equality and mutuality between the Two who are One. About what people, what angel, what king, what pious man could it be said: "In these last days God has spoken to us by the Son whom He has appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word"? (Hebrews 1:2f.)

Many of the uses of the term "son" in the Holy Bible and in various languages can give clues to the significance of the term "Son of God" with reference to Jesus, but in the end its use, directly applied to Jesus, remains as unique as the relationship it expresses is unique. Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

How then, can you Muslims (and pseudo-Christians?) be helped to understand Jesus and the true significance of His name "Son of God"?

In the first place, it is significant that the Holy Injil does not portray Jesus indiscriminately proclaiming that He is the Son of God or he is God - and, for that matter, that He is the Messiah (Christ). Nor need we, especially when we know the term to be offensive to those with whom we converse. When we use it, we should explain it.

The Jews, in fact, were familiar with the title "Son of God", as they were familiar with the title "Messiah". There is evidence, though outside of the Bible, that they spoke about the Torah as the "daughter of God", meaning "the revelation of God", without sacrificing their monotheistic convictions. They did, however, object when Jesus called Himself "the Messiah" and "the Son of God", considering His confession of Himself to be blasphemy and worthy of crucifixion (John 5:18; cf. 10:33). It, therefore, is hardly surprising that Jesus Himself used this term discreetly.

Secondly, it should be made clear that Jesus was a man, a servant and a prophet, just as Muslims have always insisted and just as the Holy Injil claims the Son of God to have become. When the disciples of Jesus first met Jesus, they understood Him to be a man. How could they have understood otherwise? They had heard how Satan tempted Him. They saw Him hungry and weary. They knew Him in need of companionship and prayer. They saw Him weep. They heard Him in prayer and saw Him in action surrendering His will to the Father's will, claiming the Father's will to be His bread. His words: "The Father is greater than I" were intelligible to them. How else should they have understood? Or we, had we been with Him on earth?

Only after the disciples' association with Jesus had deepened, after they heard His words and witnessed His deeds, did they and others begin to wonder and ask questions about Him: "Who is this man?" "From where does He come?" They saw Him feed the multitudes, heal the sick, control nature, raise the dead. They heard Him forgive sins, they heard Him speak in an extraordinary manner about His purpose in coming, about His relation with the Temple, the Law and the prophets, about the love of God and His personal relationship with God. Even then, there were those who misinterpreted Him and His works, willfully or otherwise.

The disciples' understanding of both Jesus and His ministry was a gradual and at times a painful process. What He required of them to understand Him was not simply keen intellect but firm trust in God and obedience to His will, readiness for self-examination, repentance, and a change of mind and heart in the light of God's holiness and His holy Law, an openness to receive what He said about Himself, what He had done, what He was about to do, and the purpose of it all. True, Peter confessed Jesus to be the Messiah and Son of God, but immediately proceeded to contradict Jesus by denying that Jesus must suffer and die (Matthew 16:21,22), as if he had sharper insight into the will and ways of God than Jesus (John 12:1-7)! Women seemed to understand better (Mark 14:1-9). In brief, to understand Jesus is not simply to verbally confess Him, to admire and to applaud Him; it is to follow and obey Him.

In fact, the Holy Injil clearly and consistently indicates that Jesus' disciples did not fathom the deeper significance of His Sonship or His ministry until He had risen from the dead! Then their change in mind and heart was dramatic. Does this offer the Christian a clue for his witness? While to legislate techniques for presenting Jesus to the Muslim or anyone may be dubious, is there here a ' procedural pattern on which Christians might meditate, even imitate?

Thirdly, it is often necessary to explain what the term "Son of God" in reference to Jesus does not mean. As already noted above, nowhere does the Holy Injil suggest that God takes Mary as a wife, that He procreates, and that Jesus therefore is the Son of God by virtue of His birth to Mary. God is no male deity! The Injil, like the Qur'an, speaks of Jesus as the son of the virgin Mary. In Arabic Jesus is called ibnu'llah not waladu'llah. Nor does the Injil sacrifice the fundamental Biblical affirmation that God is one. Nor does it suggest that somehow for Christians Jesus, as the Son of God, is another god associated with God, or that somehow Jesus, as the Son of God, is the second or third of three gods, or that somehow Jesus is elevated from His original position of man and servant to the status of the Son of God and then made to supplant the true God. In no way does the Holy Injil's affirmation of Jesus' Sonship transform Biblical monotheism into a subtle form of polytheism. God is one! And Jesus, the Son of God, confirms that God is one! Only after Muslims and Christians have established this common ground, then can we proceed to discussion about who the one God is, what He does for mankind, what He expects from mankind, and how God is one while Jesus is the Son of God.

NOTE : scripture made it clear that Jesus [u]IS A SERVANT of the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ( Act 3:13)

Take one last important NOTE: scripture also made it clear that Jesus is the Son Of God..(1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:9-12, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:20, )

That "Jesus is the Son of God" is littered in the whole scripture but am only taken from first John alone so it can be easy for you to navigate.

Jozzy4:
Point of correction :
Jesus neVer call himself God ; NEVER !

If son of God means God , ALL ANGELS ARE GOD since they are all scripturally called " Son Of God"

You are wrong

Hebrew 1:1-6

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by [size=14pt]inheritance[/size] obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [None] *emphasis are mine*

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

So as you can see...we all(both angels or mankind) alike are joint heirs in becoming the Sons of God(Benei Elohim) through Christ the firstbegotten and through whom everything else were created.

kimond101:
Yea.
She replied she believed but ended up saying she doesn't want to be a muslim.
You can't force anyone to be a muslim. They have to do it from their own heart.
Nothing cunning being exhibited

Ok! How about my previous quote to your comment?

Nope, it's the followers that keep bringing it up publicly and demanding everyone believe them when they have no justification for that..

And does this followers have a gun to your head to believe them? Who is to be blamed if your narrow mindedness could not perceive any justification for that?

If killing ones son to forgive is justice served in love why don't we run out judiciary systems in such a manner?..and how can I verify that anyone resurrected?...because you just believe it because the bible said so...

We can't run our judiciary system in such manner because the debt has been paid already..plus the divine laws are not similar to earthly ones. And how do I believe that no one resurrected because you just said it and it is so...

And the funny thing is it doesn't take much to do it, just questions like the one I asked would have you scrambling 20-30 random verses..

No! it really takes much from you rather, self conviction, internal guilt and frustration, bitter about none existing entithy, spiritually starved, confused on purpose of living etc I could go on and on. I dont need scramble 20-30 verses..absolutely no need for that.

Yes, but what reaction would you expect from the people who willingly insist I believe the same crazy beliefs they do?

And for the umpteenth time does any of these people have a gun to your head to believe their crazy beliefs?

Meaningless fodder..

For a thoughtless mind..

kimond101:
OK no problem.
There's no compulsion in religion.
I've just done my duty to clarify the truth to you and others reading.
Peace be unto you.

But your previous post almost or indirectly want her to say the shahadah? How cunning right!...

kimond101:
Congratulations. It's sometime difficult for someone who was born into a Christian home to acknowledge the truth unless God wills to guide him/her.
Every soul shall be faced with trials and that isn't enough reason to think God has forgotten you. Happy you still belive in God and Jesus cause they are two separate people.

A little Islamic fundamentals for you:
A muslim is one who worships God alone without associating partners in worship with him.
Now what is the religion of Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joseph, David since they all came before Christ. The answer is Islam(People who submit to God without associating partners in worship with him).
Jesus Christ the Messiah, Son of Mary is a blessed prophet and messenger of God. His creation is a display of God greatness.
God created Adam from nothing(Clay), Eve from Adam (man), Jesus from Mary (woman), and you and I from our parents (Man and Woman). This indicates that God is indeed able to do all things.
Abraham was sent as a messenger, same was Noah, Moses, David, Jesus, and Mohammed. And we're given scriptures as a guidance to their people. Jesus Christ was given the gospel as a guidance for the people of Isreal. And whoever doesn't follow his guidance would not be successful in the hereafter. The guidance of the gospel as revealed to Jesus is the true guidance. But with all due respect man has added some words into the Bibles we have today. But the pure scripture that God revealed to Jesus indicates Jesus saying:
My Father is greater than I. Jesus never called himself God in the bible.
To be savef all you need do is to be obedient to the commandments of God and do not take partners with God and believe in all the books revealed to all the messengers, believe in the angels, preordainment and seek forgiveness from God with sincerity hoping for the best in this life and the hereafter

@first bolded, do you believe in this gospel giving to Jesus and where can we find the true gospel?

@second bolded, do you believe that Jesus called God his father?

@bolded red, if you believed that Jesus said "my father is greater than i" then jesus must be the Son of God..if yes! Then Jesus must be God as well cause the last time I checked the son of a human being is a human being too.

John 10: 33-36

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Are you still convinced that Jesus never called himself God?

davien:
What would you call someone who slaughters his son to forgive?

First does this someone exist to you?

Not really slaughter, but Justice served in love..plus he raised him up back from the dead and gave him a name above every other name and a throne by his right hand, judging all things on earth, beneath the earth and above. Stop beating yourself up..is a win win situation for the believers.

You atheists try way too hard to disregard a none existing God.

E no exist e no exist, but u still dey antagonise and talk bad about am.

E no sweet e no sweet but you don chop the food finish.

Rilwayne001:
. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/europe/uk-quran-birmingham-manuscript/
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7846208
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/oldest-quran-fragments-found-at-birmingham-university
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/world-oldest-quran-manuscripts-uk-150722110034399.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/worlds-oldest-quran-prophet-muhammad-era-manuscript-found-birmingham-university-1511971
http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/islam/oldest-quran-manuscript-discovered-at-university-of-birmingham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jowQond7_UE

How quick and easy for u to run to an european site for help..yet you claim they are against islam and the quran,saying articles from them are not to be trusted.

Besides why is it just a fragment dont the quran have a complete manuscript?

Rilwayne001:
Why don't you click on the news instead of coming here to form jetLi

Still more wasted mb, time and space...answer to the question still pending:does your [size=14pt]quran[/size] [size=16pt]have a manuscript[/size]?

So ever since you were born u dont even know the meaning of your arabic name? *waiter one more bottle pls!*

Pinshure or adon beilivit..

Rilwayne001:
Attack the message, not the messenger, Mr. man. He was actually discussing this news on his facebook page, and decided to share the message here. So, it is either you face the OP or address my post without digressing.

No time for BS.

So you could not just point him to where the quran manuscript is?

Oh! May be there is none.

Try anointed oyel

Thank God this dumb act can't happen in Naija



Area!

Xiadnat:
Dude!! How far?

Long time no hear.

Ayam doing fine..is been long. Where are you right now?

davien:
Being termed an inbred bastard is technically accurate if you believe Jesus/god/holy spirit are the same things...

You are trying way too hard to discredit and deface a none existing God. Take a vacation break or something, the bill is on me.

So you still dont know how to differentiate between FRIENDSHIP and TRUE LOVE?

*waiter more ice please*

Do ladies even buy something for their guys?

@Op God has really blessed you but not with Blessing

Enhen how about that @Op,

Better question should be: Please when u girls are chasing after a guy and all you want is his money....do u consider his parents feelings?

So how do we read that?

StephanieEzeh:
Yes! Its guys that lead us to sex. Don't u know?

Stop trying to make yourself feel better and innocent..sex is always a mutual feeling, both parties consent to it whenever the urge comes and that is the point.

Rapmoney:
worldbank's friend is a freak!

I can see that.

StephanieEzeh:
Rubbish post op. Men can't do without sex? Get that to ur skull!

Shebi na una fit do without sex?

wordbank:
Solomon (my friend brother) is a sure victim of No.4. He's nothing but the opposite of d name, e beta say solo no dey him name at all at all. The babe wey dey chop d guy feeding money dey stay for d same compound but she no dey enter d guy room. Any day solo no follow her go her church na sorry b hin name. Solo go use hin brother phone call d babe to come outside cos hin no get credit still carry d money wey hin broda givam to take hol belle give d geh come carry hin smelling smile wey dey like dey person wey fly gather hin anus come back house. Dey scope d geh say hin get 2 boutiques for abuja say hin fada na medical doctor for Ph.
Well now solo dey village dey view city

Lmfao! I like the gutter pigin english..!