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tobechi20: Xtianity isnt blind faith. It is child faith. We trust God our heavenly father.
We also hav logical faith. We see a creation and belive there is a creator

Epic fail.


Logical faith is an oxymoron. Impossible.

I see a human being but it is not a creation but an evolved animal.

Ihedinobi:

lol.


#Ihedinobi debunked

CrazyMan: And so far, have you gotten any facts to prove that the world started from a sudden explosion or that humans originated from apes?

Expansion of the universe?

ijawkid: Common shut up....

Atheists too hold on to things they aint sure of.......

What ever u are told u believe...wrong??

Epic fail


No. I believe when told and backed up with evidence. You believe something that hasnt been proven in 2000 years

saintvc: Atheist view christianity as illogical as unreasonable who uses blind faith. Atheist belive to be free from any blind faith, we need to detach ourself from any religion mental slavery.

Is this true?
Which requires more blind faith? Belief in a sudden xplosion from nothing or belief in a worlds creation by a creator

Atheists generally accept facts. The evidence points towards a starting point of the universe.


Christians believe things without evidence. The starting point of the universe is caused by god

frosbel: Considering that your dad told me you keep failing your exams, I am trying ro catch up with you,

By the way it is again not agian !

As mentioned earlier, one of the main people who translated the bible into KJV was a staunch catholic called Erasmus, google it.

Back to the NIV, please peruse this small historical excerpt below : The Latin vulgate was just a small part of the fuller picture.



Just remember no one wins here, we can always use wikipedia and google to support out points

Macdaddy01 epic fail in exams again.

lololololololol


Catholics dont use KJV (doesnt contain the full books)

Latin vulgate is a catholic source and so, you have to admite that your bibles had a catholic origin.


How does it feel? Hating the catholics, yet you cant distance yourself from them?

Pastor AIO: I believe it is a lot more than mischief. It is a struggle for inner peace.

Always on point sir.

Enigma is suffering a case of cognitive dissonance. She hates the catholic church but is pained that the bible she uses is canonized by the catholic church.


She has to go through lies and perversions to force herself to believe that the Roman Catholic church is not the catholic church and that the Roman catholic church has nothing to do with compiling the bible.

She is suffering


(sorry if you're a man enigma)

Following a deity is religion.



Epic fail.


#Frosbel debunked

Ihedinobi: Little Phillip Attention-seeker

Were those meant to be rebuttals?


Everyone can see the liar that you are. Clearly from the variations in humans we came from at least 10,000 ancestors (and not two people). That is science. Maths plus biology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Science_vs._literalism

Satan took Jesus to the highest point to see all the kingdoms of the earth but that relies on a flat earth to happen.

Water can not turn into wine. To make wine, there is a chemical process

frosbel: The Kings James followers will rather we read a bible that most cannot comprehend , than literally more plain versions such as the NIV , NLT or even the Amplified bibles.

The KJV is the least accurate of all bibles and has some bad influences by the catholic church . In trying to align it's content with their many false doctrines, the catholic church has not only used some of the least trusted manuscripts, it has also interjected other meanings into the words of scripture.

One thing you hear the KJV fanatics say is, you need the Spirit of God to understand the KJV , I think this is just arrogance . God did not make the bible to be difficult to read. It's almost like equating the bible to that incomprehensible Quran which can be read only in Arabic.

God made our bible available in all languages , including a variety of modern English speaking versions.

There are also some good tools you will find useful for an effective bible study , such as a lexicon, concordance, Vine's Expository Dictionary etc.


Don't listen to the KJV followers, they are all catholics

Catholics dont even use KJV. Frosbel is very ignorant;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Bible


The NIV bible which frosbel supports is partly sourced from the latin vulgate; A CATHOLIC SOURCE!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version#Features

The NLT bible which frosbel supports is sourced also from the latin vulgate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Living_Translation#Textual_basis

Amplified bible is based on the useless American standard bible


Frosbel fails agian

Ihedinobi: ........."mommy, I WANT ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!".........

Go read your senior secondary biology, and math.........oh and english as well. Don't bother with physics or chemistry. Your brain'll probably implode if you do

Math= 2 people can not populate the earth in 6000 years


Biology= Humans were not created, they evolved from other animals

Physics= All the earth can not be seen from a high point in the sky

Chemistry= Water can not miraculously turn into wine



Yet, you are the one telling me to go and read. Dumbazz christian

SimonAndal: It's fear of persecution. What else? Even you, are you out?

Out of the closet?

obadiah777: SEEMS LIKE HE IS AN ODDBALL. MUST RUN IN THE FAMILY

Buzugee calling someone strange....the irony.


You sir are the oddball christian. There is not one christian on nairaland that agrees with your interpretation.

SimonAndal: Mr logicbaby, you're going to hell. You and your brother. The denizens of hell are gonna shag you up the arse. They're gonna turn you into their bitch. Better repent and give your life to christ. He's your lord and saviour.............Is what I would say had I been a sheep. But I'm saying, leave your bros, he may be going through the same thing you went through some years back. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

I dont bother him. I want to know from the christian bros here why my bro calls himself a christian? Maybe its fear from persecution in naija?

tobechi20: Maybe he isnt a practicin christian

What the hell is a non-practicing christian?

Craze dey worry you.


You no tire for igbo and sekpe?

Ihedinobi: Probably why you're sitting on your backside spending daddy's money seeking cheap Internet popularity while children of God build up the land. When the work's done, in comes MacDaddy to claim the reward.

Dude, at least read your books first and get basic education so that you can build some useful skill. As it is right now, if you build rockets, they'll explode trying to take off.........if they start at all, that is

Nigeria has the biggest church in Africa. Not the biggest bridge and not the best roads or the biggest library.


Religion is not the way forward. The children of god are not building up the nation. Shut up

So which bibble do you suggest? The catholic bible?

obadiah777: he confused the wicked and rebellious with delusions, which would make you the wicked. the lord has picked your delusion for you. yours is atheism

isaiah 66 vs 4 i also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer you are on a journey. fasten your seat-belt the road is about to get bumpy

Wickedness is based on actions.

You clearly dont care about your suffering brothers in naija. It has been clearly demonstrated by your rapture beliefs that God will make the black man on top of the world after some scriptural prophecy- therefore justifying the suffering and folding your arms till your imaginary war god comes to help

ifeness: Ha ha I guess he was joking.

To be honest,i dont see anyone in Nigeria,who grew up in the system capable of helping Nigeria move forward. The right person as you said probably resides in diaspora.

Can you imagine a Nigeria that no longer relying on crude oil to survive,a case whereby our graduates can actually build cars and export them like our vastly growing music industry. A case where we stopped relying on government funds. Every state being be self sufficient,youth building railways that links the whole country together(even underground if possible) School curriculum adjusted and religious studies thrown out of the window. A case where our 10 years old citizens are already computer gurus,Police actually protecting and friendly to the citizens. Electricity constant for ever...
Accountability in government offices,people obeying the rule of law. ETC Wont that be better than the heaven promised to the Christians and Muslims?

That would be 100 times better than waiting around for a sky daddy to take you to heaven

The logicboy effect does not only happen on Nairaland it happens in real life.


My brother is a catholic as well but he has stopped going to church except someone drags him. Now we have had many arguments and he still calls himself a christian.

He believes in evolution as he works in the health sector and has a degree in science. He accepts it wholeheartedly
He even accepts that the catholics in the past were very wicked people who tortured many innocent people.
He doesnt believe in speaking in tongues or tithing.
He doesnt even believe in miracles or oven read the bible anymore.
He likes to go clubbing on the weekends



Yet the guy still calls himself a christian. He avoids talking about the existence of God with me and he believes that I would die soon if I take my logic madness to naija. Why does he still call himself a christian?

obadiah777: You are under a delusion ? FACT

2 THESSALONIANS 2 VS 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

So your God is wicked enough to confuse peeps with delusions?


You are as mad as your imaginary god.


#Obadiah destroyed

LagosShia: The foundation of Islam all muslims adhere to is tawheed.

The fundamentals of religion known as Usoolud-din of the Sunnis are the same ones the Shia subscribe to.

The disagreement is largely built on the furoo-ud-din (branches of religion) which is largely built on interpretation.

It is only in christianity you find hardly two sects or denomination sharing the same fundamentals if there is any.and each sect/denomination is so distinct it can be classified a religion on its own.take for instance catholics and jehovah's witnesses.very big differences.even on the only fundamental belief in christianity shared presently by almost all christians-which is the doctrine of crucifiction-christians still differ therein.was he crucificted on a cross or a stalk? E.t.c.

The hadith of 73 sects and only one being the saved one is not agreed upon as authentic.there are many factors God will judge man on.it is difficult to say God would simply send people to hell fire based on what they believed even though Islam is the chosen path of God Almighty.therefore we muslims do not sentence people to hell as christians and bible thumpers do threatening anyone who doesn't "accept" Jesus (as) as his "lord and saviour" with hell.so even if one be a criminal once you believe you're "saved"!and no matter how good you're once you disbelieve christians would play God and send you to hell fire.Islam is not like that because God is the Master of the Day of Judgement-"maliki yawmiddin"!

Explain why Quranists are heretics and why Ahamdiya are persecuted?


Your religion is in a state of confusion. No one can speak for islam. Islam has no head and no tail. Ironically, we have clerics, imams and sheiks implementing their own different sharia.


We even have iranian sharia where a cleric can put death sentence on an apostate just for writing a book. The example here is Salman Rushdie.



Complain about the harsh mistreatment of minority religions in many islamic countries and you will hear an apologist like LagosShia say that there is no true "sharia" country. Then why not throw away sharia since no one can truly enforce it properly?

obadiah777: thats the problem, people like you read the bible in a vacuum. thats why you err. the bible is not a story book that you read in a vacuum. what you do is you JUXTAPOSE WORLD HISTORY AND WORLD EVENTS WITH THE SCRIPTURES. if you are not doing that then its a fantasy book to you. and secondly, and i have corrected you many times on this but as typical of atheist traits, you have selective amnesia and selective intelligence, i have told you numerous times that the snake is a symbol for 'evil spirit'. every human being has an evil spirit in them. if you choose to rape, kill steak, 419, loot government funds, cheat in exams etc etc - guess which part of your spirit is fuelling these your evil desires ? thats the evil spirit in you. this evil spirit is what is symbolic of a snake. simply means Eve was getting tempted within herself to eat of the fruit, of which the fruit is also symbolic for 'spiritual fornication'. the point here is dummys read the bible without juxtaposing it with world events and take symbols literally and they wonder why they are under some delusion called atheism.

Weere oo! Crazeman!!! Buzugee, you don smoke igbo finish! Mad man.


What the hell did you mean by this post? If the talking snake is a symbol, what stops god for being a symbol for conscience?


The bible is erroneous. Fact.

obadiah777: Of course I am not mad. neither have i been brainwashed. That was a jocular post I am as sane as sane can be all my faculties are impeccable, even if i do say so myself.

If I told you that I believed in little magical elves, you would say that I'm mad

I told you that I believed in flying unicorns, you would say that I'm mad


Why should I then not say that you are mad when you tell me that you believe in some war spirit in heaven that sends angels and talking snakes?

obadiah777: I am starting to believe i am mad. over 10 people on NL cant be wrong right ?

Nope. You arent really mad, you have just been brainwashed by an extreme version of christianity.


Furthermore, if christians and unbelievers agree on something, it must be true

ifeness: That is a reality you have created for yourself. In my own world,they will all evaporate with time

Dont mind Ijawkid, he has a limited brain. I am doing my best to educate him

ijawkid: Lol..........

...........Any knowledgeable bible student shuld know what those symbols represent....

NATIONS and kings that are soon to face destruction.....

For all those christians who wanna be politicians read d books of daniel and revelations and see the end result......

Make ona no talk say bible no warn ona o....

I see that you are as mad as Buzugee!

ifeness: The second coming is very near indeed. I myself foresee a true messiah coming to bail Nigeria out of her misery. A person with vision who will not only win the heart of Nigerians,but refresh her our ways of thinking.

No disrespect to Goodluck Jonathan,but it is obvious he hasn't got what it takes,in fact he is part of the old wine waiting to be thrown into the trash can

Nigeria needs a lot of patriotic free thinkers who will go at any length to secure a bright future for the next generation without war and bloodshed.

I hope some day we shall be free from religion,mental slavery,corruption,manipulation etc...Its possible.

I know someday,rather than wait in pain and vain for a God in the sky , we will instead build rockets like the Americans to visit other planets and universes.

Nice

lilcutie8916: seriously it wouldnt sound nice to hear that macdaddy hanged himself or drank cellulose thinner because there goes his life purpose.

lol.....the christian love.