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vedaxcool: Open wiki, and read about cherry picking fallacy and learn more about contextual reading and how to argue rationally, a thread is opened and ask simple question on how to know the right religion, and yes I gave a list of ways to know, simple thing to do is to make a rational refutation on why the criteria given is not adequate or how the list is faulty, rather than rushing here as if you suddenly started realizing atheism is porous like Nigeria's border thereby making statement that embarrass rational discourse! I don't know how many times I am to make the same correction to you guys or whether this is the tactic of atheists when faced with ground shattering logic! Its' tiring indeed! The issue is not whether Islam is rational the question is how do I know a religion is the right path!

musKeeto: Permission McDaddy to repost this parable from one of jayriginal's threads..

Afam4eva: Yes, God can reveal himself if he wants to. But he doesn't want to. At least not yet. Why would he even want to reveal himself. What would he want to prove?

Afam4eva: The first one is not bound to happen, so they'll become atheists for life. Even if it happens which is likely to be the end of the world, it will be too late.

The second one has been happening. At least that's what we're made to believe. Though i've never experienced a live miracle before. Even if i do and i'm an atheist, i'll say the healed was not original deformed but planned with the pastor to deceive people.

There's nothing you would do to convince a hardcore atheists except God shows himself personally. Even if this happens, some might even argue that it's a projector that's been used.

Afam4eva: ^^ I've edited my post. I'll appreciate it if you edit it in your quoted message too. Thanks.

Ihedinobi: Ok, Lb, Imma be gone for a while. Check what other interesring stuff's going down and all, then Imma be back and take you to rhe cleaners again. You really don't like staying clean, do you? No worries, Imma take care o' you, man. Laters

Ihedinobi: Don't whine so much na. You sound like a spoilt brat, not saying you're one oh. In any case, I've taken a cue and decided to put on gloves and pound you a wee bit more civilly. Cheer up, dude.

Ihedinobi: Amen, bro.

Kizuba: from what i undertstand he has "Visions" so why are the visions not concerning pertinent issues plaguing our nation?
is he a football forecaster ? since he is not a CIA or FBI? is death and hunger not more relevant?
Guys please let us stop and think for a while and ask ourselves serious questions about the direction of his Visions.

JeSoul: Fellas fellas my dear brothers...I know ya'll are having fun, but please throwing around "dumb" "i.diot" etc not cool & contra-the-rules. Christians especially, I hold you guys to a higher standard. Thank you.

Ihedinobi: C'est finis. I couldn't possibly do anything more for you. But I'll see about it a little later.

MacDaddy01: [size=18pt]Let's say that I receive a "revelation" from God that you will buy vanilla ice cream at 3pm tommorow. I did not tell you this revelation.The very next day, you were given a choice between vanilla, chocolate and strawberry ice cream at 3pm. You bought the vanilla at 3pm.

The question remains, did you make a choice or follow a set path?

The answer is that your choice is an illusion, you were follwing a path that has been seen.
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Lets see you abuse your way out of this one

Ihedinobi: Again, knowing something will happen is called FOREKNOWLEDGE.

Fixing the future so that something will invariably end up in a particular way is called PREDESTINATION.

And, I ask you YET AGAIN, how is FOREKNOWLEDGE = PREDESTINATION??

Ihedinobi: I most definitely made a choice. I prefered the vanilla over the chocolate and strawberry and thus paid for it. I chose the vanilla ice cream and paid for it at 3pm.



How does the fact that somebody, anybody, knew what my choice was going to be establish a path for me that I could never have deviated from even had I wanted to?



Don't flatter yourself, dumbo. You're still too dumb to come up with a good dodge.

biomedixexcel: I WANT ALL OF U SHOUTING "AM GOING FOR INFINIX " TO CONSIDER THESE;
1. YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OF THEIR PRODUCTS BEFORE
2. IT JUST CAME WITH SMART PHONES
3. NOT MANY COMPANIES CAN PRODUCE QUALITY DUAL SIM PHONES LIKE TECNO
4. EVEN THE EXPERIENCED NOKIA CORPORATION FUMBLED WITH THEIR DUAL SIM PHONES
5. REMEMBER THAT TECNO STARTED FROM SO LOW THROUGH THING AND THICK, GRADUATED TO T8 AND T9 (TOUCH SCREEN PHONES), TO FEEBLE ANDROID T1 (EXPERIMENTING), TO T3 (LESS STABLE) TO N3 (LOW MEMORY & LESS STABLE) TO N3 (RAM INCREASED &GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE) TO D3 ( GENERALLY A CRAP, NOT SURE IF IT BELONGS TO TECNO) AND TO BIG BOSS N7.
I WANT U TO THINK TWICE

ooman: [size=15pt]HE WHO MADE THE EYES, SHALL HE NOT SEE, HE WHO MADE THE EARS SHALL HE NOT EAR. "HOLY" BIBLE.
MY EMPHASIS, HE WHO MADE THE MOUTH, SHALL HE NOT SPEAK.

IF YOUR GOD EXIST, LET HIM SPEAK LOUDLY, IF NOT, ALL YOU HIS PROPONENTS SHOULD SHUT UP. YOU ARE NOT REALLY MAKING SENSE

YOUR GOD IS NOT MUTE, HE IS NOT SICK TOO, I PRESUME.

IF YOUR GOD DOES NOT/CANNOT SPEAK TO ATHEISTS, ALL ATHEISTS ASSUME HE IS DEAD[/size]

Your God plead for our worship, so he must speak to us and show himself to us. I hope you understand that fact before you start spitting silly analogies of not seeing the other person at the end of a chat. Which doesnt even still speak for your God, because even though i can't see the person, i receive updates always. [size=15pt]YOUR GOD IS TOO NUMB AND MUTE, STOP SPEAKING FOR HIM, LET HIM SPEAK IF HE DEARS[/size]

Ihedinobi: Ah you poor eediot, there really is no dumbing down that helps you comprehend the question, is there?

How. Does. God's knowledge. Prevent. You. From. Making. A. Choice.

OR

How. Does. God's Omniscience. Make. You. Pick. One. Option. Whether. You. Like. It. Or. Not. Instead. Of. Another.

You have agreed with me that the choice is not between what God knows and what He doesn't know, so that means that the whine that no matter what you pick God already knows it has been established as unreasonable and absurd. The choice again is not between A and B where

A is the set of all that God knows

and

B is the set of all God knows.

The choice is among a vast array of options within God's knowledge. Now, how does God's knowledge of the choice you'll make prevent you, logicboy, from, say, picking something else entirely? I'll wrack my brains for some way to dumb it down even further if you don't get it this time.

I guess it's too much to ask for you to keep your gloating for something you've actually accomplished. Perhaps something like making yourself more evidently an unabashed iddiot.

Oh, to further dumb it down for you, my question had nothing to do with whether God considered anything likely or maybe. It just demanded that you establish a direct relationship between God's omniscience and the freedom of your will.

ooman: the president is great

gunuvi: God loves little children.
God is at work there.
God pls don't stop your work in my life oo.
God thank you abasi jiwheyewhe!

unnamed: ...."within a country". In the middle east, it somehow not like ours you know......take Isreal and Palestine for instance its totally different from ours

MsDarkSkin:

Central africans have always consumed bushmeat but where was the "AIDs" prior to when europeans first arrived? Lol. Its ok i will wait.

I will give you two hints: missionaries and injections

unnamed: like seriously you don't ever hear religious crisis within a country unless in Africa....... and na we pray pass lol

Ihedinobi: Why, you poor dunce! You really know nothing at all. mazaje is under a challenge to go against an expectation just like you feel with God. According to you, he succeeds or could. Now, my question, why can't you with God? And your fossilized brains carried out non-existent computations and had you reply, because I can't. And somehow, in all of that, I managed to unwittingly make your argument for you.

Your dumbness is phenomenal, my friend. A very rough piece of rock is way out of youe league, intellectually speaking.

Now, try and think a little: you have to choose between having lunch and not. God knows you have that choice. So many factors affect that choice, for example, if you're hungry, you are more likely to take lunch; if you can afford food too, you're likely to take lunch; if you're healthy,, you're likely to take lunch, etc etc. None of them means that you will, bit a combination of all of them and the pure desire or willingness to take a meal in the afternoon will result in your taking lunch. God knows that you will takr lunch. Now how does this last factor add to your decision and make you take lunch.

Try not to launch into another round of croaking like a bullfrog and clapping yourself on the back for performing a symphony. Just answer the darn question!

Ihedinobi: Ah, I'm so relieved you agree. I'm reluctant to carry on the "tenderly" without the "earnestly". I mean to cut him no slack wherever necessary.

Ihedinobi: Well then, how does God's holding His omniscience to your head deny you such an array of options eh? You could choose to be a hero and choose nothing? How could God ever see that coming?



The question is really simple, dundee. When you complain that God's omniscience denies you a choice, are you then of the opinion that the choice is between what God knows and what He doesn't? Evidently, such an opinion is nonsense according to you. The choice cannot be between what God knows and what He doesn't know. It is between good and evil, both of which are within God's knowledge.

Now, how does God's knowing which you'll pick deny you a real choice? How does the fact that He knows that you'll choose evil make you choose evil? Just give me a mental sketch.



You are below a rock. I can save you

Ihedinobi: Dumbo! What part of "someone dear to mazaje" do yiu find so difficult to comprehend?



[size=16pt]IS THE CHOICE BETWEEN WHAT GOD KNOWS AND WHAT GOD DOES NOT KNOW?[/size]

Just hope you see the question this time, dumbo.



Dumbo! Not everyone is in a competition like you! Thos is not grade school where you sulk because you're second instead of first. Anony is my twin bro and approaches issues like Anony would, I am me and approach issues as I please. I'm under no obligation to suit your expectations, ok. Dunce!

Enigma: I think seyibrown is right: he is going to become ọmọ Jesu yet.

Even without him realising it, the Christian folk are already having an effect on him; now he knows that atheism ends up in the amorality/immorality morass, and that "humanism" borrows/steals its best from theism and is otherwise philosophically hollow . . . .

Ihedinobi: [size=32pt]DESPICABLE LIAR!!![/size] You didn't already call me an ignoramus? The strength of your argument IS uncivility! You could not hold one logically coherent argument if your life depended on it, dumbo.

Ihedinobi: Pay attention, dumbo. The gun's to the head of someone dear to mazaje. And even so, of course, he could still choose to not comment, but the future becomes far more certain than if there were no guns. You were guessing that Anony was guessing, dumbo. You could never say for sure that he didn't know for sure that mazaje would comment. I'm just using your own impeccable logic against you.

unnamed: Mind you only Africans are savages with religion