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Paul was not a christian in his past life. Paul was a christian killer

Logicboy was a christian in his past life.

Ihedinobi: Dumbo! What part of "someone dear to mazaje" do yiu find so difficult to comprehend?



[size=16pt]IS THE CHOICE BETWEEN WHAT GOD KNOWS AND WHAT GOD DOES NOT KNOW?[/size]

Just hope you see the question this time, dumbo.



Dumbo! Not everyone is in a competition like you! Thos is not grade school where you sulk because you're second instead of first. Anony is my twin bro and approaches issues like Anony would, I am me and approach issues as I please. I'm under no obligation to suit your expectations, ok. Dunce!

Calm down.



1)My argument remains valid whether it is "someone dear" to Majaze or not. Majaze can die of a stroke or chose to be a hero and snatch the gun. Majaze could even run mad.

2) What the hell do you mean by a choice between what God knows and what God doesnt know? God knows everything and so, "what god doesnt know" is irrelevant or a contradiction if you hold that your God is omnipotent

3) You are below Anony. I can save you

Enigma: I think seyibrown is right: he is going to become ọmọ Jesu yet.

Even without him realising it, the Christian folk are already having an effect on him; now he knows that atheism ends up in the amorality/immorality morass, and that "humanism" borrows/steals its best from theism and is otherwise philosophically hollow . . . .

Could you be anymore irrelevant to this thread?

Omo Jesu? So, you are a yoruba cow?

Ihedinobi: [size=32pt]DESPICABLE LIAR!!![/size] You didn't already call me an ignoramus? The strength of your argument IS uncivility! You could not hold one logically coherent argument if your life depended on it, dumbo.

I'll let this one slide since, it would be hard to prove my case as I am usually abusive towards your stupiduty

Ihedinobi: Pay attention, dumbo. The gun's to the head of someone dear to mazaje. And even so, of course, he could still choose to not comment, but the future becomes far more certain than if there were no guns. You were guessing that Anony was guessing, dumbo. You could never say for sure that he didn't know for sure that mazaje would comment. I'm just using your own impeccable logic against you.

The future is never 100% certain. What we have are probabilities and estimates. We have degrees of certainty. The fact remains that Anony can have a bazooka to Majaze's head but Anony can never be 100% certain what will happen next. Majaze could die of a stroke before commenting or Majaze could choose to die. Each possibility is representing a percentage away from 100%.


Compared to an omniscient being, there is no less than 100%. God knows that Majaze will comment and what time he will. What such a god has seen in the future, no man can change.



This what happens when a houseboy is given confidence that he is the master of the house. You try too hard to be Anony when your are loccically inferior. His style doesnt suit you. The onyl way you can surpass Anony (which I have) is to embrace truth. Anony is the father of Anonyism, you cant win him in dubious and imaginary philosophy.

unnamed: Mind you only Africans are savages with religion

Trololo

Deep Sight: [size=64pt]WHAT DID YOU SAY ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[/size]

As you can see, I took my time not to abuse Ihedinobi once the debate took off. I know that I usually insult him but I decided to be civil for once and I get insulted by him........................

unnamed: Justify your argument that man created religion...... Are you an atheist?

Doesnt matter.

All religions are man made. They all have human limits.

Judaism- Jewish religion with a Jewish God that had only Jewish prophets and cared for the nation of isreal
Christianity- Jewish religion with a Jewish man sacrificing himself for the lost sheep of isreal
Islam- Arab religion, which replaced the Jewish religions and then proceeded with an Arab prophet and prayes/quran in Arabic.


Religions like human beings are naturally ethnocentric and never universal

unnamed: The world would not have existed. Religion changed humans from living as Savages to what we are...... It is still

1) Address the topic

2) Man created religion. Man can change with or without religion.

3) People are still savages with religion

Scientists cured a baby with HIV in the latest news..................



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Ihedinobi: Keep saying it, buddy. Perhaps if you repeat it enough, it'll become true.



[size=18pt]You are guessing that he is guessing. For all you know, he could have had a gun to the head of someone dear to mazaje to make im comment. Don't say things you don't know.
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You conveniently forgot two important things: how did Anony's guessing instead of knowing take away from his point? And is the choice under study between whay God knows and what He doesn't know?

And people say that I should stop abusing these theists.

Past, present, future.


I am stating what happens/has happened not what will happen when I say that Anony is guessing. I stated how a human mind works and has always worked. I am talking about the present and past. Anony is guessing and estimating. Whether he has a gun to Majaze's head, the future remains an estimate of the unknown. Majaze could choose to die rather then comment.


Anony is talking about what will happen when talking about Majaze's future reply. The future.



Please, be civil. I have been patient with your illogical comments

Ihedinobi: And how do you know that he guessed? Again, how does his guessing which pretty much resulted in the same thing as a concrete knowing take away from his point?



Is the choice in question between what God knows you will do and what He doesn't know?

There is no choice with an omniscient God. God knows that Majaze will comment and hiw he will comment and the exact time he will comment.

Anony can only guess and make estimations o probabilities whether Majaze will comment. Anony will gues because he is a human with the same mind as me. He cant be omniscient and so, I wonder why you would ask how I know that he is gueesing

Ihedinobi: And how is foreknowledge, that is, God's knowledge beforehand of your future choice, mean the same thing as predestination, the elimination of your choice?

There is no choice in the first place. Only a path that God knows that one will take. You couldnt choose a path that God doesnt know. Whatever you do, you are on gods path.


Choice doesnt exist with an omnipotent creator for his creations.

Anony, the guy in your video fails.


He says that God knows the the millions possible outcomes of our actions and gives us the freewill to choose the few ones out of those posiblities. What the failed philosopher fails t add is that God also knows the what we will "choose". Hence, it is still not a choice. You are still following the predestined path

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]Good so I'll take it that you do believe that freewill exists since your reply to this thread was not an illusion but something you chose to do and consequently did.

Now think about it carefully this carefully: Does the fact that I knew that you will choose to reply my comment mean that you didn't actually freely choose to reply?

My point being that if I my ability to predict your next action does not in anyway contradict your freedom of choice then the fact that God knows whether you will choose Him or not does not take anything away from your ability to choose Him.

For more on the omniscience paradox, see this video below (You can start from 1:40)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRsHIN5ATY[/quote]You are not omniscient. You didnt know that Majaze was going to reply you. He could have died of a stroke before typing his reply. You guessed. You calculated the probability of him replying and assumed that he is more likely to reply.


An omnipotent God would know what, how, when and why he would reply. You couldnt write what he has not seen. You are chained to his foresight of the future

Ihedinobi: And how have you answered my question here, dumbo? I ask you how God's knowing what your choice will be prevents you from choosing and you answer that it does. How are you better than a freaking joke?

Yawn.

Your question is senseless no matter how many times you ask. There is no choice in what is predestined!

lol @ obadiah on this thread!

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]Yes I am purposely ignoring you, I've decided to stop feeding trolls[/quote]Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Ihedinobi: Oh I don't know. Is it gibberish because you lack the capacity to comprehend it or because it lacks the coherence necessary for comprehension?

Before you shoot off a hasty answer, my friend, remember that if even one person understands it apart from myself, that would solidly establish the fact that you are the one lacking in capable intellectual equipment.

^^^
Sense, it no make

Ihedinobi: That's why I call you a kid, living in your unilateral wet dreams.



How does God's knowledge prevent anyone from freely making a choice?

You arent making a choice. You are only following a path that is set in stone in God's mind.


With an omniscient being, there is no choice and no freewill.

Ihedinobi: It's the idiocy. It's veeeery embarrassing.

A case of projection my friend. The idiocy is from you!

[quote author=Mr_Anony2]@mazaje, Does freewill really exist or is it merely an illusion?

Please think about my question carefully before providing your answer[/quote]not fair


You always run away from me?

Is it the abuse? the debunkery? the bashing? What is it

Ihedinobi: Abeg, how is anyone this unabashedly dumb?

Point out what is wrong/dumb

mazaje: Some one tried pointing this out to William Craig and the way had danced round it left me shaking my head in shame. . .

Please, show me the video if possible.

Most christians mirror William Craigs arguments- including Anony

mazaje: I TIRE my brother. . . .LOL!

Lets see Anony and co comeback for that one

Ihedinobi: Do you have no capacity whatsoever for shame or embarrassment? First freewill is nonsense, then it's an idea that comes from a functioning mind? You are frightfully stuppid o!

Freewill as a concept isnt nonsense. I never said so.

Your theology on freewill is nonsense.

Find the difference

mazaje: Once davidylan started saying atheist claim not to believe in god but blame him for not giving them free will i just withdrew from the conversation. . . Free will remains a concept and an idea that supports another idea. . .It has nothing to do with reality. . .Free will is just an idea like original sin. . .Both have nothing to do with reality. . .There was never an original sin that hangs on every body's neck. . .Even the jews that created the adam and eve story do not accept or believe in the original sin that christians bandy around. . .I have stopped wasting my time over baseless concepts and ideas that have nothing to do with reality. . .

For me, it is fun to always point out that they are arguing over imaginary stuff. It stops them cold in their tracks.


My favourite argument here is the contradiction in their failed philosophy on freewill. How can an omniscient God offer freewill? If God knows everything that will happen, how can there be freewill when he has seen whatever you are going to do? Your fate is already written in stone in his mind, no deviations.

Ihedinobi: Not that anyone expects you atheists to eat sand gracefully, but don't blame davidylan for your poor grasp of the Bible and philosophical issues. That's all on you, man.

In any case, try and get honest. Don't call free will imaginary nonsense here and go debat morality on another thread. If there is no such thing as free will, there cannot be any such thing as morality either.

See this ignoramus.

Freewill is not explained in the bible.

Freewill is an abstract concept from a functioning mind. What is truly imaginary is freewill as a gift or creation from God.

That is what we are saying. Your understanding of freewill is nonsense, poor philosophy and imaginary.

Ihedinobi: Imagine that! Why does thinking of Lenin put me in mind of Stalin, I wonder?

Why stop there? Marx and Mao are waiting for you