₦airaland Forum

Ihedinobi: Well, your sniggering does not help you prove that either is untrue.



But your answers are all unsubstantiated assertions. You want us to swallow what you said just because you said it? Have you ever taken our word for any answer we have given as theists?

Even if you dont believe what I say, I have answered such questions in detail.


So to claim that atheists dont answer questions is a huge fail.



#get the f4ck out of here

striktlymi: Guy calm down a bit let's think this through...I have been waiting for you to calm your nerves but it seems it's taking like 'forever'.

May be this would help...

1) Don't take anything you read here too seriously.

2) Do not allow your emotions show...it gives your oponent the edge, especially when that oponent wants you to get upset.

3) If you get upset by whatever is posted, especially insults to your intelligence (this can hurt), prefer to stop, take a stroll or better still take a slow drive around and ensure you have gotten over it before coming back.

4) There is always the option of ignoring an argument if it will lead no where. No one would think any less of you (at least I won't).

5) Try not to take decisions when you are angry, you might make a 'costly' mistake.

I am sure you know all these but got to remind you all the same.

#I will be here when you feel like talking about it and trust me, I aint trying to patronize you.

I noticed that you didnt greet him....you usually greet!


Anyways, I think that you should continue counselling him.

Costa2000: And u call urself a TRADITIONAL MAN?,hahahahaha ndi omena ani.

Erm, there was no gay ruling in our ancestors' time. It was never considered at all. From a cultural point of view, there is no right or wrong in gay rights.

HumbledbYGrace: Logicboy...stop reading between the lines please!

Would you marry somebody who you don't share interests with? Someone who would be noisy while praying? IMO I think your girlfriend doesn't really know what she is getting herself into; because by the look of things. After some time you will tell her that she is noisy when she worships or pray in your absence. You will tell her that there are more important things to be done at home when she has to go to church....let's face it!

Your a dictator and I feel for your woman

I am not a dictator.........I am a DICKtator.


On a serious note, I dont bother my GF when she prays. She can go to church but she can not drag me.

I live my life as an example and she can follow a better life. My house is extra clean on sunday mornings and there is excellent food on sunday afternoon. When she is in church, she is thinking of coming to eat in my clean house


As for you, you will marry a man that feels that it is his god given right to lord over you. Happy married life

Ihedinobi: Lol. However much you howl and cry, it won't make the questions go away, mister.



So who or what made it a fact? You? How do you know that nobody knows? On what authority do you say so?

In other words, I'm still right in saying that all evolution has even attempted to do is guess at the mechanisms by which various life forms came about. It hasn't quite explained the mystery of life, how it came to be, what it really is and what it is about.



My friend, there is such a thing as associative speech. While I'm willing to lock horns with you over just how much of what I'm enjoying in this life is due to atheists, it really is not the issue here. We are talking of atheists as atheists. Some really good engineers, scientists and doctors are atheists no doubt, but how many of you are willing to put your brains to work on the matters of belief and disbelief? You never want to answer questions that arise from the atheistic stance on life but you insist on theists answering for their own stance. I think it's because people are unwilling to really think about existential questions that they remain atheists.



Questions like what and what?

lol evolution is a guess.


lol someone knows the origin of the universe (even when our cosmologists and scientists are nowhere near unraveling it)

==============

I have explained morality from evolution

I have given reasons why I do not believe in god



Yet, you go on to say that atheists do not answer questions. You are ignorant and silly

[quote author=J-Mystique]Too much whitewannabe clowns in nairaland,u don't believe in black magic why don't u look 4 a babalawo,slap him and destroy his shrine video it and come and tell us,or try spending the night in a graveyard or mortuary all night since ghosts and witches don't exist.The annoying thing is the whit poEpl they r trying so hard to emulate actually secretly believe these things[/quote]

So not believing in magic is now a white thing?


You are as silly as they come. Keep living in fear of things that do not exist. There are many people who live near graveyards- about 3 blocks away. Nothing, no scary tales.

Ama28: Real Men talking!!!
Not wanna be women looking for fellow men to devour
The issue is that even the gay are so scared of their shadows they won't come out openly to declare their lifestyle. Am not against them too but I am very sure legalising it in Nigeria is still far fetch

So there are no gay women?

I doubt that such people are scared of their own shadow, they probably know how ignorant and wicked your fellow christian and muslim brothers can be when it comes to such issues.

ooman: Any fool can say anything about nature but for an eediot to say laws of nature are pseudoscience is alarming.

Shut up and apologise to your seniors in the atheist council.

InesQor: When will you guys realize that a belief in a higher power or higher powers or doubts in the same or an entire lack of belief thereof have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with intelligence?

Intelligence is the skill of learning and adapting to new information, making distinctive decisions based on the information and thus influencing the environment.

The only place where intelligence and religion will intersect is when a theist, agnostic or atheist tries to justify their beliefs using information that is already available to them, or tries to fit their beliefs into newly gathered information that's about to influence their decisions.

.

musKeeto: Lol, Xtians... Asking more questions of science than they would of their God.

Science.. answered more questions than their God has ever done...

Dont mind them, especially Ihedinobi

Ihedinobi: When did "I don't know" start to mean "nobody knows"? How do you know that nobody knows? Do you suppose that the knowledge does not exist?



Are natural processes descriptive of or are they the reason for this order?



Why is the question nonsense?



Can you explain what the condition, "before life" is like?



See above too.



Um, irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolved from less complex chain structures that left behind some [u]reducibly complex[/b] parts behind.

You're actually saying that once upon a time enzyme chains that today cannot be reduced in complexity without their losing their very nature and character were not so complex chains that became what they are today by losing parts of them that were complex but which could retain their character and function after losing some of their complexity? So we have today enzyme chains with irreducible complexity because there were once chain structures that were not complex? So evolution here cost a thinning down? Ok, so where did the gross from which the fine was produced come from? Why did it first amass a lot of uselessness just to lose it and get to the useful core?



If I understand you correctly, a clay pit can be broken down into smaller blocks of clay by using a mold or a potter's wheel and some fire even though it cannot ordinarily be reduced in complexity and this analogy explains your answer in the earlier paragraph. Perhaps you could show us how?



How exactly does the evolutionary ability/need to communicate result in so many different types of languages?



Ok. So what happened?



But evolution has it that chance and necessity is why and how everything exists. Are you saying that evolution implies that everything that resulted from chance and necessity resulted ultimately from independent thought or at least a conscious being?



In other words, we are self-aware because we have brains. Do you hold then that all organisms that have brains are self-aware?



If man is free to be materialistic or not and that is free will, are we not inferring choice and therefore responsibility? To whom or what is man responsible for his choice to be materialistic or not?

Why is your question better? Does it help to answer the question you were asked? Or is it an attempt at evasion?



We know that. But how do you as an atheist account for the reasoning that produces conscience?



Give us one example, if you may.



So suffering matters only because we can feel it. Lepers must be the most carefree people on the world then, if it is true that their condition comes with an inability to sense pain.



Oh, I don't know where to start with this one. Your answer sounds an awful lot like, "we are important because we're not animals". Is that what you're saying?



But what is a psychopath, evolutionarily speaking?



So the more we know the less we believe in the supernatural, right? That means that all the people at the frontiers of science and technology ought to be atheists. Are they?



First off, if you ever dreamt of a dog, can you prove that you did? If you can, give us some idea how you would prove it. If you can't, tell us if really that means that you did not in fact dream of a dog.

Second, how does the debunking of a belief mean the inexistence of the supernatural? In other words, if at all it has been proved in fact that man was not created out of dust, it most definitely means that the people who believed that were mistaken, but how does it in fact prove that no supernatural creator exists?

Third, could you cite a few of these proofs? One or two will do.



In other words, you do not positively know that there is no such thing as life after death. So there might actually be thus making the Christian's concern with it legitimate.



So, for some really weird reason, the Church has marched on rather than die for more than two thousand years by perpetuating myth, lies and war, but empires that have thrived on the same things have failed to survive even that long. Why is that, do you know?

lmao....


All you are saying is

"yes but"


Lets take the first question/answer for instance; Nobody knows the origin of the universe. What did you try to argue? You made a strawman claim that I said that the knowledge of the origin of the universe doesnt exist.

Please, if you have been fed the facts, dont start trying some anonynising questions out of desperation

HumbledbYGrace: That's up to her to decide if you are tom, or dick or harry.

Further complaints;

HumbledbYGrace: Finally, a Christian boyfriend is one with whom a woman is evenly matched.

You havent read the bible because an evenly matched relationship between men and women is impossible according to scripture;

I CORINTHIANS
11:2-10… Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

EPHESIANS
5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

COLOSSIANS
3:18 Wives submit to husbands.

I TIMOTHY
2:11-15 Woman must not have authority – she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.

HumbledbYGrace: we are all not perfect but we can't just settle foe every tom, dick and harry

I didnt even comment on the most irritating part. So you are indirectly recommending that my christian girlfriend should not marry me because of religion?


You people just post crap that you dont even know anything about.

Do you know how many successful and happy interreligious marriages exist?

donedy: I can see lot of idiots who will rather vomit trash on the thread, due to the irritating effect of the truth he said, than to hug a transformer.

What have you added to the thread? Smh

italo: Let him rant. When you argue with a mad man, people from a distance cant tell who is who.

You have the nerve to call me mad?


lol.... you are defending a church that has covered of molestation of young children and has been involved in many financial scandals, yet, I am the one that is mad?


lol

Richieboyn: No, u shd actually be d one who's to shut that thing u call a mouth.

Who be dis?

Emeka Ike is another African monkey talking.


How does it affect him? If two consenting adults want to do their thing in private?


Calling God as if most people in the UK believe in your false Jewish God?

Ihedinobi: @MacDaddy (per your first comment), Lol. You mean the best explanation for life is that and I paraphrase you, "nobody knows the origin of life. If anybody says they do, they're lying." Who ever said that evolution explained life? Once you demand how life came to be here and why it is here, you start stuttering and making excuses. Even were we to accept evolution, what question really does it answer? Where man came from? To that you take us to primordial soup and cannot answer where the primordial soup came from with any competence. You dare to go to the Big Bbang, you still can't explain how nothing exploded into something. However far back you try to go to answer how man came to be here with evolution you can't escape the fact that something has always been here. But evolution can't tell us what it is. That means that evolution cannot answer how man came to be here in terms of origin, it only putters around with mechanism and even then it's done quite a bit of guessing and supposing.

So, no, evolution has not explained life. It has only tinkered with the mechanisms of life and not very convincingly too.

---

So if they did, that somehow proves that atheism answers some questions. What questions have the brains of these "atheists" of yours answered with the creation of the computer and the OS? And I'm agreeing for the sake of argument that you are right that the invention of the computer and the OS are due to atheists.

---

Finally, how does the membership of national academies of advanced nations prove that atheists are not intellectually lazy? Is it the atheism of the atheists numbered in those institutions that enabled them to be there? Or was it their science that did?

You are silly and when stumped by facts you resort to silliness.


No one knows the exact origin of life and the universe. Fact. I never said that evolution explains the origin of life. It however explains this current life as we are all evolved organism. Evolution starts with life already existing.

Furthermore, I was responding to your claims of intellectual laziness by atheists. Actaully, much of what you enjoy in this life is based on the hardwork of atheists. Shows how silly you are.

Evolution answers many questions about life on earth. Now was Darwin was an agnostic/atheist. Most biologists in the West are atheists.


Think before you taljk

Now I know why many christian Nigerian girls are either weeping because of no husband or cursing their married life.



Goodluck finding A man who is both a saint and a hero. Keep looking for prince charming. Fairytale nonsense

Men that say that they are, are usually frauds. The best men among us are not perfect.

italo: WHAT DID YOU ASK FOR?

Seems you Atheists/heathens only know how to ask questions. You dont know how to answer.

Shut up

1.What caused the universe to exist?
Ans- nobody knows the exact origin of the universe, including you and your religion

2.What explains the fine tuning of the universe?
Ans- First the fine tuning argument is very ambigous (how fine-tuned is the universe? Are the constants always constants) and second most "order" in the universe can be explained with natural processes

3.Why is the universe rational?
Ans- Nonsense. What is an irrational universe? What is a rational universe? Is the universe alive? Mtchew

4.How did DNA and amino acids arise?
Scientists are still finidng out because the evidence is now pointing to a possibility where DNA could have existed before life itself due to their ability o generate RNA from chemicals that probably existed on early earth

5.Where did the genetic code come from?
See above. Then add some evolution

6.How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve?
From less complex enzyme chain structures that evolved leaving some reducibly complex parts behind

A clay pit is irreducibly complex.You can not break it down into smaller blocks of clay. It is achieved by using a mold or a potter's wheel and some fire. After the pot is ready, the fire and mold are no longer necessary.


7.How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct language families?
Humans living in different social and geographical environment and the evolutionary ability/need to communicate

8.Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world between 3,000 and 1,000BC?
Suddenly appear? They didnt suddenly appear. Dont ask us to explain your magical interpretation of cities that you suddenly discovered.

9.How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?
Chance and neccessity is the product of independent thought or at least a conscious being.

10.How do we account for self-awareness?
Our brain working in tandem with our central nervous system (plus other parts of the body). No brain, no awareness

11.How is free will possible in a material universe?
Depends on how you define freewill. Man is free to be materialistic or not. A better question would be how does freewill exist with an omniscient god?

12.How do we account for conscience?
The brain and reasoning

13.On what basis can we make moral judgements?
Survival, harm and reasoning.......( a result of evolutionary instincts)

14.Why does suffering matter?
Because we are conscious enough to feel and hate pain.

15.Why do human beings matter?
Because of our evolutionary need to survive
Because we have only one life
Because we are social animals and need each other, we need company
Because we are conscious enough to witness and marvel at our universe

16.Why care about justice?
Because I am not a psychopath

17.How do we account for the almost universal belief in the supernatural?
Evolutionary instinct of fear of the unknown
Any inexplicable event or technology is like magic to the ignorant
Ignorance about the workings of the universe

18.How do we know the supernatural does not exist?
No evidence
Historical records of science debunking many past claims of supernatural origins of many events (Rain is shower from heaven, thunder is anger of the Gods, the world is balanced on a god's back, man was created from dust)

19.How can we know if there is conscious existence after death?
We dont know
There is no evidence to suggest that there is
The brain holds consciousness, we do get blackout when the brain is impaired....death might be the same

20.What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church?
Myth, lies and wars

Ihedinobi: Actually, atheists do their best to avoid answering any questions at all. Intellectually speaking, they're probably the laziest group of people in the world. They offer no answers and will not accept any. I'm willing to accept correction though

The best explanation for life comes from atheists (evolution)
The computer and OS that you use comes from the brain of an atheist
Majority of the American National Academy of sciences are atheists
The Royal Society in Uk is dominated by atheists.


You must be quite ignorant and silly to make that comment in bold.

Area boy has said ti all.


Ooman, get your sh!t together!

dubem3: why are u so quick to curse.
science borders on empiricism
i just offered you the key
and all i see is you scampering away while cursing.
smh

carrying me to meet someone to tell me a story about shrinking manhood is not empiricism.

mtchew

dubem3: i cant say for sure. But i've in a place where someone's penis was said to have been snatched. i couldn't get close cos i didn't like the crowd. they gave chase and i think the guy was caught. thats the much i know.but if ur conversant with black magic and what it can do, my brother, you won't doubt it.

lolz.....



Fear has become the language of the average nigerian

Justice42003: proof or no proof,u dont need a proof 2 believe.
I saw it live n direct at ketu a year ago at d back of tipper garage bus-stop,a working class guy was in a bus going 2 work around 7 am,when an alhaja sitting beside him purposely touched his jt. D guy felt dat sometin has gone out of him.at dat moment d alhaja requested 2 highlight at d bus -stop, d guy held d woman back n started screaming 4 help,people gathered includind me, and d guy removed his trouser 2 comfirm what has befalling him,alas it was true d tin has shrinked 2 d size of a one year old baby.2 b honest 2 u i dont believe in voodoos or miracles, but this has made me 2 think twice.d case was reffered 2 d oba palace in ketu along adisa akintoye str.some people at d crowd recognise d woman as they say she runs a food canteen at ojota new garage.ever since if am walking in a crowded places like bus-stops or markets i always crosscheck my jt if its still there.(and it has became a part of my hobby). I knw u ll quote me on this last line.

lmao but you didnt see the guys joystick na!

Alfamann: This ooman is really an olodo. A mazamaza goat seller.

I came here expecting a reformed atheist a la Annony, that refound god after dealing with his mental incapabilities. But what do we get? Just an atheist that disagrees with other atheists. And your goat herding brain made you call established fools like ihedinobi and striktlymi as your witness.

Can't you see your position? Even those fools ignored your call for help because they realise you may be even more foolish than them.

In fact, I suspected your folly when you decided to open a thread and announce that you have changed your name, (because of one ocman) only to announce 2 pages later that you didn't change it afterall. How you cannot differentiate between ooman and ocman beats me. And now you a thermodynamics expert because you can copy and paste diagrams. SMH. Even the ocman didn't complain but you had to twist yourself into parts first.

Please go all the way and rebecome a christian because you actually fit with them.

2nd law of thermodynamics is continuously missaplied to evolution.

Here is a simple explanation to Ooman and his pseudoscientific pals

In a Nutshell
A common argument against biological evolution is that the theory contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. The second law says that disorder, or entropy, always increases or stays the same over time. How then can evolution produce more complex life forms over time? The answer is that the second law is only valid in closed systems with no external sources of energy. Since the Earth receives continual energy from the Sun, the second law does not apply.

Or is that not enough for you? There is more

Defining the System
However, this objection is grounded in a misunderstanding of the second law, which states any isolated system will increase its total entropy over time. An isolated system is defined as one without any outside energy input. Because the universe is an isolated system, the total disorder of the universe is always increasing.
With biological evolution however, the system being considered is not the universe, but the Earth. And the Earth is not an isolated system. This means that an increase in order can occur on Earth as long as there is an energy input — most notably the light of the sun. Therefore, energy input from the sun could give rise to the increase in order on Earth including complex molecules and organisms. At the same time, the sun becomes increasingly disordered as it emits energy to the Earth. Even though order may be increasing on Earth, the total order of the solar system and universe is still decreasing, and the second law is not violated.

Misapplication of The Second Law
To claim that evolution violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics is also grounded in a misunderstanding of where the law applies. Nobody has ever figured out how to apply the second law to living creatures. There is no meaning to the entropy of a frog. The kinds of systems that can be analyzed with the second law are much simpler.
A living organism is not so much a unified whole as it is a collection of subsystems. In the development of life, for example, a major leap occurred when cells mutated in such a way that they clumped together so that multicellular life was possible. A simple mutation allowing one cell to stick to other cells enabled a larger and more complex life form. However, such a transformation does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics any more than superglue violates the law when it sticks your fingers to the kitchen counter.

#Ooman and his pseudoscience debunked