₦airaland Forum

Les: Two ppl dat says there is no God calling themselves fools, really interesting. Nb...A fool says in his heart, there is no God. But wat is this law of thermodynamics again self even tho i de study physics??

Image123: would do you good to re-read my post again until you understand it. You may start with maza's post on the first page to 'hopefully' get some perspective.

tintingz: and you ignorantly believe things like that dont happen... Western brain snatcher

agabasam: Sme ppl will call dissappearing a myth too.... Or flying by witches.... Educated whitewannabeeediotas

tintingz: africa aint your europe or america

Well like have said i have never withness it before buh juju and forces happen...

tintingz: See how western peeps don brainwash some peeps here.....juju happen in africa


Come lagos where people hustle for money...and start shaking strangers hand wether your pen;is will not shrink to baby-like lolz never withness this but it happen years back in my area. . . .the guy had to go to one baba with the di;ck snatcher to retrieve his dic;k back

Well sometime when one is worried or scared, his pen;is wont stand oh that is another mixing problem some people think their peni;s as been snatched

truthislight: Errrrrm what does those mean?

Ubenedictus: i don't need to be paid to inform the ignorant, if u were a catholic as you claim you will know what catholics call "the works of mercy".
Lastly my dear, i no dey lie.

wiegraf: First encarta then wikipedia. Nothing wrong with using wikipedia, but most who do so at least have a basic grasp of whatever they're quoting. He doesn't. It's like someone memorizing the multiplication tables but having no understanding whatsoever about how multiplication works.

Note though, I've not actually read his links, my observation above is based on older stuff of his. What's his article about? Is it worth reading?

ooman: yet another illustration.

If only the illiterates hiding as atheists will understand!

ooman: interpret evolution from a thermodynamic view means that interpret life as a result of thermodynamics, which is everything i have said which you fail to grasp.

In my opinion, the audacious attempt to reveal the formal equivalence of the ideas of biological organization and thermodynamic order ...must be judged to have failed. — Peter Medawar (30)

Computer scientist Rolf Landauer wrote an article published in June, 1996, which contains insight that should discourage attempts to physically link the two kinds of entropy. He demonstrates that "there is no unavoidable minimal energy requirement per transmitted bit" (31). Using Boltzmann's constant to tie together thermodynamic entropy and logical entropy is thus shown to be without basis. One may rightly object that the minimal energy requirement per bit of information is unrelated to logical entropy. But this supposed requirement was the keystone of modern arguments connecting the two concepts.


Landauer
It is surprising that mixing entropy and biology still fosters confusion. The relevant concepts from physics pertaining to the second law of thermodynamics are at least 100 years old. The confusion can be eradicated if we distinguish thermodynamic entropy from logical entropy, and admit that Earth's biological system is open to organizing input from outside.

ooman: sorry but there no fools but anyone who think that life is irrelevant to the second law of thermodynamics when in fact, life evolved because of the second law of thermodynamics.

musKeeto: Na you get time to answer dumb-ass trolls.. This particular one has had nothing to offer since the time of Abraham..

ooman: i have no time for foo.ls

ooman: just try to deny you never said life is irrelevant to the second law of thermodynamics? junk!!

Image123: oooooooooooooooh, never knew nl atheists had denominations too. They usually act all sanctified and straight. Anyways, what was that trash mazaje posted on the first page? Atheists that 'have it all' still contemplate suicide and feel empty. You really need to go round more or read wider, aexposure. And what was that preaching you are giving your congregation? Tiny tiny daily meanings and an ultimate cumulative meaninglessness? i don't buy that, at all, not even for free.

mazaje: Mordern day christian apologist know very well that is is very false hence theyr claim its an allegory. . .if the genesis creation account(which was actually never written as an allegory) is an allegory then we can as well say that the death and crucifixtion of jesus is also an allegory , no?. . .

Ubenedictus: i'm in africa now nigeria to be precise, i've been here for at least a year now and i haven't hear contraception preached from d pulpit, it on d net, on catholic papper etc but i cant remember when last i heard it.

no sir, not "theistic" evolution, that is for those doing theology, the question of an intelligent cause isn't part of science and so isnt taught.

the colour of Jesus is simply your opinion, it has no basis in fact so i'm not obligated to agree with ur opinion.

mazaje: Shut up ooman!!. . .

mazaje: Not just that. . .ONLY a foooooool will believe that the universe was created according to the genesis creation account written in the bible. . .

Ihedinobi: Lol @ bold. My friend, Christianity tasks your very highest intellectual powers and even that is not enough.

Good thing you're recognizing though that atheism is not equal to intelligence. From my experience of you guys, I can say very certainly that it takes quite a bit of pigheadedness and willful stupidity to remain an atheist after one has heard the case for Christianity.

ooman: Do you know that the entropy of a closed system cannot also increase.

Who says that living systems are closed systems, do you know what a closed system means? Living systems are never closed system hence their death releases their conserved energy.

Ubenedictus: sorry if i mistook you for another.

i would ignore your inability to make a polite discuss. Peace.
sorry my dear you have been misinformed, the sinfulness of contraception is still preached worldwide, i would argue that it is only that africa that priest seem to preach it once a year.

i'm very sure you've never stepped your foot in a jesuit school. Besides what you wrote above is a wild rant that has no place in reality. The schools were science is replaced with religion only exist in your illusions and fantasy.

Ubenedictus: Oh, so this is logicboy rebranded, now i'm not surprised. and incase you are unaware ubenedictus isn't a name, it is my handle.

ooman: What I share, which you call pseudoscience and failed to understand is the SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. It is everything that evolution stands for. It is also the most hardly understood law of thermodynamics which is why am not so surprised it eluded all of you.

Pls go back to school, you reek of illiteracy!

"Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics."

This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.

However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?

The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.

ooman: Do you notice that another atheist, Atheist-D agreed that not all atheists are knowledgeable?? You all should go back to school!! I will not lie because you claim atheism which you lack knowledge about.