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Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 2:02pm On Aug 30, 2010 |
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Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 1:28pm On Aug 30, 2010 |
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Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 1:26pm On Aug 30, 2010 |
MyJoe, I came across this text yesterday. The book is 103 years old; It was published in 1907. It's an interpretation of the events in the Gospels from the perspective of a Hindu occult master, Yogi. To the book's author, Jesus was an initiate in the Essene Brotherhood. The book is in the tradition of 'Teachers' who 'teach' from their own self-proclaimed Spiritual Authority, giving no proof or evidence for a single thing they say, borrowing heavily from older ideas, weaving it around their personal opinions and putting the plagiarised mess forward as the TRUTH. This author is honest, though, and has done a lot of research, and does not attribute old ideas to his own originality but freely acknowledges their source; Gnosticism, Kabala, Christian theology, Hinduism, Buddhism, occult lore and the writings of early Church Fathers like Origen. I was fascinated to find a lot of things in it that are true. Naturally there are things in it that aren't true. I haven't finished reading it, but the gospels from an occult Hindu perpective is extremely interesting. It's a short book. He's a non-Christian,and perfectly entitled to his own views and interpretation of events. I broke it down into 5 parts so I could upload here.
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Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 1:19pm On Aug 28, 2010 |
Gorgeous sentence. I've been following the series for ages, and heard rumours J.J Abrams, who made the Lost TV series, was translating it into film. But I'm not sure it can be done; it's too dark and too complex, and the unbeatable atmosphere won't render well on film. I haven't read the poem itself but he issues pieces of it in the books. The Drawing of the Three, where Roland meets Eddie Dean, and Wizard and Glass, where a manic sphinx of a train has them captive with riddles while Roland's past is explored, would have to be my favourites. Masterful writing. But King's best-written book, for me, is The Stand. It's better than any single book in the Dark Tower series. But the series collectively beat it. The Stand is set in a post-apolycalyptic world where the forces of good and evil gather for a showdown in an incredible set of characters; by far the richest cast in a Stephen King book. |
Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 3:15pm On Aug 27, 2010 |
It's fiction, Deep Sight, not a scholarly text, though the archeological research must have been back-breaking. If you mean how those three re-enact the love triangle of the past, they simply re-enact. A novel is not exactly compelling material for sifting evidence for reincarnation or Karma. I wasn't looking for racist overtones in the book, and I read it and the others too long ago to remember if there were any. So I would have to say No. But there might be racist overtones in the one set in South Africa, I forget the title. Maybe it was Rage. If there are he's certainly lesss guilty than some brazenly racist writers who set their pieces in 'Africa' and write condescendingly about the 'natives', who are never as smart or brave or honourable as the Bwana and his pale friends. |
Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 2:42pm On Aug 27, 2010 |
Spellbinding. Magnificent. It's Wilbur Smith. No one is greater at complex African historical narratives, in blending disparate cultures into the tempestous African terrain, in forcing human nature to yield everything it has, from love to hate to betrayal to hope to despair. Smith is amazing. I have the hard copy of The Sunbird. The book is really old.But let me ask a friend to check his library. I'm sure it'll turn up. MyJoe, I don't the have Psychology text. I've never even heard of it. I have Tolstoy and Leo's books only in hard copy. Could you please let me have all the authors you want? I'll then list which books of theirs I have in soft copy. For instance, I have JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings. I have 6 titles from Salman Rushdie, 3 from George Orwell, over a dozen of Isaac Asimov and Heinlein, 20 from Stephen King, including the complete Dark Tower series, 10 Aldous Huxleys,11 Vladimir Nabokovs, almost 2 dozen Mickey Spillane, over a dozen Raymond Chandlers, and thousands of other titles. If I have a book in hard copy I don't buy digital copies unless they get lost. Give me a list of the authors you want, I'll tell you which of their books I have, and you select as many as you want. Please do. |
Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 12:38pm On Aug 27, 2010 |
Ah. A Lolly fan. With the exception of The Famished Road, I have Okri and Smith only in hard copy. But there's more than 4000 titles in the digital library. Things have to be there you haven't read. Try again. But the offer was to MyJoe ke. He's the writer. He needs the 'high falutin' stuff. |
Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 9:46am On Aug 27, 2010 |
I don't write, but I admire those who do. I've an extensive paper (old school) and digital library. If you're going to write you have to read a lot of Masters, I hear. Do you have authors or titles you want? I'll upload it here as text or pdf for you. Anyone, from Isaac Asimov to Tennessee Williams to John Le Carre to Faulkner to Agatha Christie to Eco to Hemingway to Adichie to James Joyce to Kafka to PD James. Gimme a list of titles you need. |
Literature / Re: A Mean Consensus - A Short Short Story by MadMax1(f): 5:38pm On Aug 24, 2010 |
Yes. 'She sobers' adds nothing to that sentence. I don't get what it means. '', too much a strain on her sanity'. Remove or add a word. Other than that, I like it a lot. It's involving. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 5:28pm On Aug 24, 2010 |
MyJoe: MyJoe, you're great. You really are. |
Religion / Re: Listening Into Others Prayers In Church. Good Or Bad by MadMax1(f): 12:57pm On Aug 24, 2010 |
eloii: How did you know their eyes were open, with your own eyes closed? |
Literature / Re: 12 Novels By America’s Bestselling Fiction Author Of All Time Find New Home by MadMax1(f): 12:49pm On Aug 24, 2010 |
You couldn't stand his books 15 years ago and think you'll like them now? Not likely lol. His books are just average. There was the occasional really cool stuff, like the opening in The Carpetbaggers, where some creeps trap a squaw, do unmentionables to her, skin her alive and then make purses from her skin. For a teen, awesome! No way he could sustain that kind of excitement so the book went downhill from there. I read him because I was a teenager then and would read anything, even Mills and Boon when there was no John Le Carre or Desmond Bagley to be had. I'm just as surprised by the American best selling author of all time thingie. He is not that good. Some of his books have a lot of graphic sex scenes, like The Betsy. Could be why they were popular. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 12:26pm On Aug 24, 2010 |
Oh hey. I was actually looking forward to 49 cents and mwankwo's conversation, once they got over other people's after death experiences, which I'm not sure they're qualified to dismiss, having probably never had one of their own. It's a free world though. 49 asked interesting questions. I've read the Grail Message books and can do without it being constantly paraphrased, but the conversation might be interesting; m_nwankwo often is. The usual trinitarian/ God manifests in 3 ways arguments are out there. Jesus was a manifestation of God and so is God. The Holy Spirit is a manifestation of God and so is God. What on earth is a manifestation? It's never made sense, but could be because I didn't get it. It's not a priority though. |
Religion / Re: Belief & Reality by MadMax1(f): 11:59am On Aug 24, 2010 |
How do you know you're not in the Matrix? If 'they' can design a world that fooled Neo, they can certainly design Nairaland. Deep Sight is deep in the Matrix. He's busy bending spoons. |
Literature / Re: 12 Novels By America’s Bestselling Fiction Author Of All Time Find New Home by MadMax1(f): 8:56am On Aug 24, 2010 |
I remember Stilletto. There was a scene where he knifes someone underwater in the pool and Robbins describes the action from the victim's POV. Cool. 720 million copies? I read him as a teen but I don't remember he was that good. Sidney Sheldon seemed better. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: An Eye For An Eye: Muslim Family Seeks Destruction Of Man's Spine In Revenge! by MadMax1(f): 7:31am On Aug 24, 2010 |
I just digested the part where he got out of jail after spending a mere 7 months. Isn't that too lenient? He paralysed a boy and cut off his foot. 7 months is too early for the boy's family to have forgiven the incident. They should have protested the ruling that gave the attacker a mere 14 months in the first place. Deserved at least 5 years in jail. He's out in 7 months but the boy will be paralysed for life. But asking for his spine to be destroyed is too extreme. Can a person be tried twice for the same offence under Sharia though? He's already been sentenced and has served the sentence. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: An Eye For An Eye: Muslim Family Seeks Destruction Of Man's Spine In Revenge! by MadMax1(f): 5:19pm On Aug 23, 2010 |
It's not really about how people would like things to be or who's misinterpreting a holy book. That's for other religions where it generally ends with mere disagreement. With Islam it goes beyond debate; people get hurt. Islam originated in Saudi so it's hard for you to tell them you know better when they themselves aren't fighting a decision as barbarous and evil as this. Shouldn't some people in Saudi have protested the judge's decision by now? Are they upset? Doesn't sound like it. There's only so far that 'It's not what the book says' can take a religion or its adherents. |
Religion / Re: Oyakhilome, Oyedepo, Ashimolowo, Adeboye Et Al Should be Ashamed!!! by MadMax1(f): 7:58am On Aug 23, 2010 |
Fant: You seem to have acquainted yourself with your ministry. You promise well. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: An Eye For An Eye: Muslim Family Seeks Destruction Of Man's Spine In Revenge! by MadMax1(f): 9:36pm On Aug 22, 2010 |
Don't count on it. Justice for petty thieving is amputation of healthy limbs. If a family can ask for this and a judge can grant it there might be doctors who see nothing wrong with it either. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 4:09pm On Aug 20, 2010 |
I'll never understand this manifestation thing. Nuc, you are a wuss. |
Celebrities / Re: Most Handsome White Men/Boys by MadMax1(f): 10:49am On Aug 20, 2010 |
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Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 9:41am On Aug 20, 2010 |
m_nwankwo: 49cents: There is a category of people who seek occult experiences: astral travel and soul realms and all the rest. They SEEK these things and open themselves up to all manner of influences and deception and what not. There is another category of everyday people of diverse religious backgrounds worldwide who do NOT seek these things but it happens to them BECAUSE THEY DIED, LIKE WE ALL WILL. Accidents, illness, murder, etc happen to them, atheist, Moslem, Christian,plumber or PhD, and they die. These happen by the millions because people die every minute of every day. Some return after days or hours of death, and some do not. It is this second category that has been explored here: Normal, everyday people who died, some of whom hold no religious beliefs at all, talkless of seeking the spiritual experience in the first place. Since it's unlikely you've ever died, I don't think you have a basis for putting down the experiences of people who have. Merely because it doesn't conform to your personal religious ideas on when and how these things should occur. No one wants to die. No one asks to die. They have no control over when and how death happens to them, or what happens afterwards. Death is something that will happen to us all. You may not like accounts of Death Experiences. If exploring these things makes you uncomfortable, if you feel the things millions of people experience MUST conform to your personal religious ideas, there are many places designed for your comfort and ease of mind. You're entitled to an opinion on these things, and that opinion is valuable. But given that you've likely never experienced death yourself, be kind enough to acknowledge you don't know everything that is out there, and be respectful of their experiences even if you don't like that they don't conform to what your church or religious organisation teaches. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 6:54am On Aug 20, 2010 |
Nuclear, where's you? It would be lovely to have your take on the trinitarian/multi-manifestation of God doctrine. Maybe I don't get it because it hasn't been adequately explained. Abi you're in hiding ni. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 11:29am On Aug 19, 2010 |
Here's the question, Nuc: The Hindus have millions of gods. Christianity, in part, has a doctrine in which there are three Gods in one, or One God manifesting in three ways. The Hindus believe all their gods is just one God manisfesting in a million ways; from Shiva to Ganesh the elephant god, they're all manifestations of one single entity. You and the Hindus believe the same thing. Do you find that faith-affirming in some way? Do you have thoughts on that? The difference is only a matter of degree: you believe God manifests Itself in three ways, they believe God manifests Itself in millions of ways. Different numbers, same doctrine. |
Religion / Re: Can You Keep Christ And Give Up Being A Christian? by MadMax1(f): 11:14pm On Aug 16, 2010 |
Sorry, aletheia. A little cranky today. Still, there are no limits to His love. You're free to put them on yours. One applauds Ms Rice. Some of her books are impossibly good but she explores dark things. The Witching Hour made one think she dabbles in stuff. One of the last people I thought could embrace Christ. Go, Annie. |
Religion / Re: Can You Keep Christ And Give Up Being A Christian? by MadMax1(f): 2:58pm On Aug 16, 2010 |
Maybe Christ had a right to 'condemn' whatever He chose. You, er, don't. Unless you're planning to take the sins of the world on your shoulders and die for humanity sometime soon, I suggest you mind your own religious business. I recall Him condemning religious hypocrites, not sinners. In fact, He was condemned by the religious establishment because He was a friend of sinners. We are ALL sinners, and His love encompassed us all. Since He lived and died without ever seeing or stepping into a church, and never once designated a class or caste upon whom we exclusively lavish our 'love', I think you're talking out of your hat. I'm almost certain He had nothing to say about people who refuse to be anti-gay, anti-feminist or anti-secular humanism either. Or people who choose Him but drop the man-made trappings of Christianity. But I'm sure you and the bizarre, church-fence-hugging 'christ' you've invented have plenty to say about that. |
Religion / Re: Can You Keep Christ And Give Up Being A Christian? by MadMax1(f): 7:11am On Aug 15, 2010 |
Love is what characterises the disciples of Christ, not 'love of brethren'; whatever that means. The love of Christ has no such arbitrary distinctions, and certainly not one that begins and ends within church fences. Rice is free to be anti-whatever she wants. It's really nobody else's concern. Annie! Annie! Annie! |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 3:09am On Aug 12, 2010 |
MyJoe I swear you'll soon get my head so big no door'll contain it. Popped in to ask Nuclear something, but will have to pop right out again. 49 cents, I appreciate that. I'm not getting into Catholic dogma and the rest, though. Feel free to feel what it is you feel about the Virgin Mary. |
Religion / Re: Who Can Correctly Say Which Christians Properly Interpret The Bible? by MadMax1(f): 5:29pm On Aug 11, 2010 |
Tudór: mazaje: Oh I just bet you do. Jews and Arabs share the political, cultural and religious history of the middle east. There was no 'bible' for the masses for Mohammed to plagiarise in the 6th century. If he puts in stories about Abraham and all the rest, it's his heritage. The Jews don't own the patent on ancient middle eastern religious and political history. He didn't write the Quoran though. He had to commit all he was told to memory and issue them to others, some of whom recorded them on whatever was at hand, paper or the backs of camels. The Quoran came about much later, I think. As for Biblical characters in Buddhism, I'll mention just one: a Middle Way Buddhist doctrine about Jesus and what happened on the cross. In brief, Buddhist masters are capable of making carbon copies of themselves, which they impose on the minds of crowds as their 'real' self, while the real monk may be hundreds or thousands of miles away in reality. They have an occult name for these 'manifestations' or puppets. There are divergent points of view. One of Buddhism's core doctrine is that 'God' 'Evil' 'Good' 'Demons'etc, are all in the mind. Everything is perpertual motion, and you are to passively play the part you find issued to you, be it king or pauper, without getting 'involved' or carried away by your 'role'; it all means nothing,. Everything is in unceasing motion and all values and judgements and gods are creations of our minds. There are different realities you may occupy and different things you may be born as, from an animal to a demi-god. Nirvana is when you get to a state of the cessation of all this motion and are at peace. It isn't nothingness, but the end of 'cosmic motion'. Since Gods and demons and everything cosmic are a function of our minds, there can be no Son of God. Buddhists tend to view Christ as a great Master with powers enough to fool the crowd by substituting a 'puppet' who took the fall, while he himself was miles away controlling the action,in the tradition of Lamaist masters. |
Religion / Re: Who Can Correctly Say Which Christians Properly Interpret The Bible? by MadMax1(f): 7:50am On Aug 09, 2010 |
nopuqeater: We're fine, thank you. How is yours? I trust they are well? noetic16: Exactly. mazaje: Do you have a thing for recycled argument? Will anything do, as long as you get to sound like a vaguely disgruntled atheist? It's like your own remixed version of The Who song: Meet the Old Discussion, Same as the New Discussion. You've got tons of good stuff. Spill that. In practice Islam has little in common with Christianity and Judaism. It's something of a huge leap to decide references to a few biblical characters in the Quoran makes of the religion itself a plagiarised thing. It's not. There's much in the Quoran that is fresh and new, and much in ancient Islamic religious thought modern Christian and Judaist thought can't rival. Buddhism has something to say about biblical characters. There are all these complicated religious treatises. By your lights, that must mean modern Buddism is a plagiarised religion as well. |
Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 7:47am On Aug 08, 2010 |
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Religion / Re: Who Can Correctly Say Which Christians Properly Interpret The Bible? by MadMax1(f): 7:24am On Aug 08, 2010 |
They have different interpretations. So? Maybe everyone filters stuff, not just the bible, but everything in life, through complicated layers of thought and personal experience. It isn't only the bible people have different perspectives on, depending on who they are. It's not a crime. You aren't a Christian so what is it to you? "Why doesn't God heal amputees? He doesn't heal amputees so He doesn't exist." The World According to Mazaje. Go forth and multiply jor. |
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