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 Fashion / Re: Product Reviews: Stop Wasting Money! Beauty Products That Actually Work by MadMax1(f): 10:14pm On Jul 09, 2010 |
A hundred and one for you too.  Haven't been here in weeks, but relieved to find no questions waiting all that time. Seems everyone's happy with their skins. Great! |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 9:44pm On Jul 09, 2010 |
MyJoe, Sorry about the 'act of violence'.  I was asking those as clarifying questions when you remarked that God didn't create evil, but it was bound to come about from men having free will. I almost expired of laughter from your crack about Christians praying to keep Satan in health lol. Here are some NDEs. There are millions of them worldwide. Atheists first, after which I'll post some Buddhist, Moslem and Christian NDEs later. Atheists: Howard Storm (University Professor, hard-core atheist before the experience. Read through the four indexes of his NDE experience. ) http://www.near-death.com/storm.html Dannion Brinkley http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence11.html Beverly Brodsky (Jew, turned atheist after pondering holocaust) http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html Tom Sawyer http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation03.html Ned Dogherty (this guy either experienced a created intermediate, or he was being deceived.) http://www.near-death.com/dougherty.html Louis Famoso (obvious intermediate self-generatd world) http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/05.html Don Brubaker (another intermediate for contrast. He sees Jesus as a human being with a handsome face.) http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/92.html You can explore the website for more. Be wary of NDEs though. I could pore through hundreds before coming across a genuine TRUE REALITY encounter. Our religions may not matter, but our actions do. There is always a reckoning. In many of these encounters, however evil the person may have been, it's all sunshine and light and love. Remember people self-generate first, and then mischevous spirits generate NDE experiences for them as well, impersonating people they trust, so that anything they say will be accepted without question. No doubt God would intervene if they truly die but they're soon returned to their bodies. I read the NDE of man who'd murdered someone years earlier. He went to a bar, was caressing the bartender, discovered 'she' was a he, a transsexual, and promptly wanted to beat her to death. The transsexual took out a pistol and shot him twice in the chest. En route to the hospital, his spirit left his body. A being of light appeared and it was all love and acceptance. Even the guy was surprised. He said later,'They didn't say anything about the bad things I'd done. I knew I should be in hell instead of this nice place, but kept my mouth shut, Why knock a good thing?' Even a felon sensed justice wasn't done. It's like these bad spirits want to give the impression that what you do with your life doesn't matter. So they hover around someone who will likely survive a medical battle to save their lives and show them a 'beyond' where human actions aren't accounted for. Deception. But some NDEs are absolutely real and encounter the true CHRIST in the true realm where God is. Howard Storm's NDE (above) is one such example. He's an atheist.The moment Christ appeared, I knew, with every fiber of my being, that it was Him. The first thing He did was HEAL Storm. Then He wordlessly held Storm like a child as he wept in hell. Then He took him out of hell. Their conversation, when Howard had recovered, was extremely fascinating on several levels. One, there was no Vatican/ 'Church Fathers' to edit it. Two,when Howard returned to life after that experience, he looked around for a religion, he didn't take it for granted that Christianity was the 'true religion'. Three, he asked Christ if the things written about Him in the bible was true, and Christ said Yes. Four, he was a university professor and an atheist and so, without thinking, asked all the right questions. You see, a religious person would have taken certain things for granted as 'the truth' from religious doctrine. Howard was an atheist and asked his head off. Five, the experience completely changed his life. He was full of love and began to serve his fellow men, of his own free will. From just ONE encounter with Christ. Anyone who claims it was Christ he/she met but whose life showed no fruit in service is engaged in self-deceit. Six, Howard's experience with Christ did not end with his NDE. After his return, his eyes were sometimes opened and he was allowed to see spirit beings around them other people could not see. It was a powerful NDE because he encountered the true Christ. One single encounter changed him from a cynical die-hard atheist who felt nothing but contempt for people who believed because he thought they sought refuge in religious fantasies as an escape hatch from the realities of life. When Christ took him out of hell, Christ told him he couldn't take Howard to meet God because of his spiritual condition. Howard wasn't 'ready'. They stopped some distance away, but Howard didn't describe where God was as a 'city' or 'building', the closest he could come was a galaxy of light, from which beings of light were coming and going. It didn't even occur to Howard to write a book until Anne Rice, that crazily gifted author who turned Christian, heard his story, believed him and persuaded him to do so. Let me recommend his book on the experience, My Descent into Death by Howard Storm. It's excellent. Paul says in Romans, Ephesians and Galatians that we are saved by faith, and that Christians are Justified by faith.(Eph 2:8, Romans 3:28, Romans 5:1, Gal 2:16, Gal 3:24, etc) James, half brother of jesus says, in James 2:12 that a man is not saved by faith alone. In 2:20 that faith without works is dead, in 2: 24 that we're not justified by faith but by works. He goes on to say in James 1:27 that true religion before God is helping the afflicted. Christ says in Matthew 24;13 that He that endures to the end shall be saved. In Matthew 12:37 He says, By your words you are saved, by your words you are condemned. Nothing about being saved or justifed by 'faith' in all the teachings of Christ in the entire four gospels. Seems faith is one thing, salvation another. Even Roman Catholism doesn't subscribe to the 'saved by faith' thing, though they,as usual, turn it upsidedown: 'works' used to be buying indulgences and is now priest-issued penance. Saved by faith seems peculiar to Pentecostals in all religions worldwide, but they tag it to being on the 'narrow way'. What we do counts. In fact, it's what counts the most. Storm admits he didn't experience the full depth of hell, just the fringe. Well, there must be realms for psychopaths and truly evil people, inaccesible to ordinary wicked folks like the rest of us. It's not punishment. Storm's loveless, angry, compassionless spirit was drawn, after death, towards places where exactly spirits like his were. That's what hell is. Separation from God. It's not 'eternal', His love and compassion extends even into the darkest and most hellish realities. Religious beliefs or lack of it have nothing to do with it. Same as being pulled to God if you'd lived a life of love, whether you're an atheist or not. Some people are born good and fullfil their purpose without conscious awareness or acknowledgement of God all their lives. When they die, their humanity-loving spirit is pulled towards God and Christ. But not all of us are that lucky, which is why we need God. |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 9:34pm On Jul 09, 2010 |
Deep Sight: I absolutely agree with you. I've exactly the same interpretation on the Eden story. Paul says in Romans that death came into the world because of the sin of Adam. The doctrine says sin was inherited from Adam, passed down to his descendants, so everyone is guilty from birth. Apparently, if they hadn't eaten the fruit human beings would have been immortal, and there would have been no biological death. But If evolution is correct and we evolved our bodies, Adam and Eve never existed. If they never existed, all that Adamic sin and death coming into the world and inherited sin is hot air and Paul's own opinions passed off as doctrine. One interesting thing: Maybe I didn't search hard enough, but in all four gospels, Jesus does not mention Adam and Eve ONCE. Which is remarkable, if they actually existed and played such a pivotal role in the sins Christ came to save us from. In fact, Nothing Christ says gives credence to the theory that Adam and Eve were real, much less brought 'death' and donated an 'inherited sinful nature' to their 'descendants' because they ate fruit. The Eden story is a little like Pandora's Box. She was given a box and told never to open it. She disobeyed, opened the box, and out of it came death and all human suffering. How did you come by your interpretation of the Eden story? |
| Religion / Re: The Two Witnesses. by MadMax1(f): 7:52pm On Jul 08, 2010 |
Malachi 4:5-6 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; Matthew 11: 11-15 I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 17: 1-11 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said. "Don't be afraid." When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus. As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead." The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. Matthew and John, eyewitness accounts. Mark/Luke: likely not eyewitnesses but compiled hearsay. Some teachings were removed from the bible, esp in the gospel of John. Is it possible Jesus didn't know what He was talking about as regards John the Baptist, but other men and modern bible readers know better than He? Isn't it possible He knew things John the Baptist did not? If someone were coming back, it's the person's spirit (separated from the flesh at death) that is returned to a new body, not the flesh, which is long dead and buried. Like someone said, anything's possible with God. We don't get to set the limits on what He can or can not do. |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 7:21pm On Jul 08, 2010 |
MyJoe, where is you? I've a dozen things I'm puzzled by and would really like your view on them. Your views won't be debated though I hope I can ask clarifying questions. I was going to ask something about the Eden/Adamic fall of man genesis story, but knowing what to ask is a bit awkward if one doesn't know your religious beliefs. I don't even know Deep Sight's. |
| Family / Re: I Am Officially Bankrupt,homeless,depressed And At My Wits End.just Wnt 2 End It by MadMax1(f): 7:06pm On Jul 08, 2010 |
Sorry dear. It happens. Just hold on. It will pass. The only one that can hold you back from doing and being anything you want is you. Don't let anyone take away your peace. Be strong. |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 6:30pm On Jul 07, 2010 |
@deep sight I got what you were saying. Evil exists because good exists. They're eternal opposites, because everything has an opposite. I was diagreeing with that, that the existence of one doesn't presuppose the other. To humans there is light and it has an opposite in darkness. We grew up in a world with day and night. Night came to be associated with darkness, and darkness came to symbolize evil to us. In the places where there is no night and no darkness, in solar systems with two suns or more, what then becomes their symbol for evil? Certainly not 'darkness'. They have no 'opposite' to day or light, unlike us. You come from a postion that takes it for granted that everything must have an opposite. It doesn't follow. The rules here, however obvious or inevitable they may seem, don't necessarily apply everywhere in existence. Night, Satan, Darkness or evil are not inevitable merely because there is day, God, light or good. @MyJoe Can I ask what you are? Are you New Age? Grail? What? Doesn't matter but it would be nice to know. About the intermediate reality thing, I read quite a lot of Near death experiences. It bears it out. I'm talking about people who actually died for hours and came back during autopsy or days later when their corpses were already rotting. It's been well established NDEs are not a function of the brain, or from a 'lack of oxygen to the brain'. Their spirit separates from their body, fully conscious. They watch their body and the people around but can't interact, and then stuff starts happening. They start seeing realms or religious personalities they believe in: Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, etc. They may go a heaven of their culture or religion, and see people who believed the same as they. They may go a hell of their religion and see it populated by whatever they had believed would be there. Buddhism says it's just their mind and their beliefs projecting all that stuff, and after a while, the true reality of God would intrude on their created worlds and the real deal starts. Unfortunately,most NDEsare still in their created realities by the time they return tpo their bodies. So they have 'confirmation' of all their beliefs, but since they hadn't gone to the Real Reality where God is, bring back nothing about the workings of the place. The interesting NDEs are the atheists who have no beliefs and so don't experience the intermediate stage but go the True Reality direct. They're really eye-opening. Some of their experiences are horrifying, but they are the ones who get to the Real Reality and so interact with Christ and see how the place works. Most people who see 'jesus' in their intermediate stage sometimes see what they expected to see, a gentle human radiating love. But atheists encounter a being of unspeakable love and light that has a physical presence but is not human in form. I was struck by that until I realised the human form only exists on earth. Some of them went through untold horrors in places they didn't believe existed until they were rescued when they called to God for help. It is usually atheists that tend to have the presence of mind, after a long time being comforted and weeping and recovering from their terrible ordeal, to ask questions of Christ and get mind-blowing answers. Needless to say, no atheist has ever returned from an NDE and remained an atheist lol. MyJoe, if you don't want your plans messed up, you don't give a thing free will. Being given free will meant creatures are to free to choose God or not, and are not under compulsion to be with him. It means creatures are free to oppose the will of God. We human beings mess up God's plans every single day. There's nothing impossible about it. The Greeks have a story similar to the Judaic one. Zeus is the Head of the Greek Gods and rules on Olympus, home of the Gods. But Zeus is not the father of the Gods. He himself had a father, Kronos, but there was a rebellion and Zeus killed his father and became the Supreme God, reigning on Olympus. The parallels with the Judaic version is obvious, except in the latter, the rebeller did not succeed. So things rebelling isn't confined to the Jews, though it's possible they borrowed from each other, but the details are far too different, especially as symbolized in Revelations. You think evil and good are different sides of the same coin? Two sides or expressions of God? Actually the Genesis story, though allegorical, clearly used a snake to symbolize Satan, the Old serpent, the deceiver, and right off the bat, it was obvious this creature was in opposition to the Genesis God, and worked against God. And other parts of the Old testament, Older than Zoroastianism, lamented the fall of Lucifer, calling him glorious and beautiful and almost matchless, until 'iniquity' was found in him. More than once in the Gospels Jesus seemed to be speaking directly to the creature. My puzzlement stems from the fact that people freely choose their actions and our free will isn't interfered with, so why would a Satan be necessary here? Evil came about because humans have free will? So we created evil in a sense?Evil did not exist before humanity did? That's new. |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 8:02am On Jul 07, 2010 |
Actually, I wanted myJoe and ttalks view on this, as they're Christians and will be discussing things from a Christian perspective. I'm waiting for theirs, but your take is interesting. You believe there must always be an opposite, and that darkness is the other end of the spectrum, and it is natural for there to be darkness since there is light. Is that necessarily so? The idea perhaps stems from the concept of night and day as opposites. Because that is what we know on earth. But there are planets where there is no night, not only because they have two suns, but because there isn't a moon to get between them and the sunlight. If things lived there, they have never known what physical darkness is, all they know is light. In fact, it's more commonplace than our solar system with its one sun. One sun is an oddity in the universe. There are places where there may be down but no up. Physicists know different physical dimensions exist. We live in a 3-dimensional world, where a point in space has three references: up, down, sideways. They sometimes add time as a fourth dimension because time is wrapped up in space and only exists in this universe. But they know there are places of higher dimensions and that the universe curves into one of these higher dimensions. Since we've never experieced anything but our 3 dimensions there is no way we can conceive of what constitutes extra dimensions in other places, but there is no doubt, according to physics, that 3,4,5,6,7,etc dimensions exist. Which might mean lower dimensions, 1,2, mighr exist as well. It would mean a world where creatures only went in one direction, perhaps forth and back, and exists perfectly and happily, and cannot conceive of extra dimensions like ours where there is up and down. It means there are worlds where creatures may have sideways and down, but no up. And they function perfectly and naturally in this world as we do in ours. If you, a 3-dimensional creature, were to find yourself in a physical 2-dimensional world of just 'sideways' and 'down', you would cause a sensation. Do you know all you would have to do to disappear from their sight? You'd jump UP. Normal and natural to you, inconceivable to them, unnatural and therefore: a MIRACLE. You could perch somewhere for hours, jump down again and they would worship you as a god. Another 3-dimensional creature would see everything you were doing, but the 2-dimensional creatures won't. It's one of the reasons I read the miracles of Jesus without the least surprise. He walked on water? He calmed a storm? Walked through walls? All these things would be as easy for him as jumping up in a 2-dimensional planet would be for you, if Jesus were exactly who he says he is. He would not only be in the know of extra dimensions higher than ours, he would operate easily and effectively within them, and to us, it would be astonishing because he's using stuff from higher dimensions unnatural and inexplicable in our simple 3-dimensional world. We'd label them miracles, as surely as 2-dimensional creatures would label you a god and your 'vanishing' or jumping over a body of water (it would look strange to them since there is no up) asmiracles too. It's not science fiction. It's hard physics that there are extra dimensions we don't know and can't conceive of. So not everything necessarily has an opposite just for its own sake. There is a God and He is light. Darkness does not necessarily follow. There is darkness and evil beings, but not as automatic opposites to God.That light exists does not mean darkness must exist, just because we on this planet know day and light to be opposite of night and darkness. There are planets in this same universe that have no idea what night is and have never seen darkness.That we have up and down doesn't mean up and down go together in other places. You're applying the things of this world, this dimension, to places where the same rules do not necessarily apply. |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 5:55pm On Jul 06, 2010 |
Oh that's perfectly fine. Take your time. I'll ask the first: I know there is evil and darkness, both in thought and action and as very real beings. I don't know if there's a Satan as an individual or if belief in him conjured him up, but there is ' great spiritual darkness'. I know there's an excellent reason there are no physical or overt signs of God's presence here. That God is real sounds crazy and irreconciliable with a physical world that overwhelms the senses, a world of taxes and government and schools and terrorists and music and spouses and markets and money and cars and corrupt policemen and everything our eyes and ears feed our brains. It's a very, very overwhelmingly physical world, and hard for the brain to reconcile with a God our biological senses did not evolve to see 'physically'. I know there is a God, and alternative realities. Millions do, and that's putting it mildy. Buddhists believe there are three 'realities', and that two of them are artificial constructs but nevertheless real. One is this world, the other is a wolrd created by human beings think and what they believe, a world that can be interacted with like this one, and is as real as this one, but are nevertheless human creations. And so, because many believe in a certain kind of 'heaven', it will be created in this second world as they have imagined and when they die they will interact with their own beliefs, good or bad. No one knows how long these interactions last, but in a supposed place where time doesn't exist, the interval is anyone's guess. The third world is the one they consider the 'true' reality, and it is there God is, that striving and motion ceases, and it is 'Nirvana'. But it isn't nothingness, and their concept of 'God' is different and stranger than ours. Given that many religions, from Lamaism to Gnosticism to Sufism, believe in a world that the mind creates and beings that it creates that the mind interacts with, do you think there is a 'satan', or is something we conjured up? But no one has actually caught Satan murdering or raping or stalking or bombing or torturing others and enslaving them. We do it all. But he's a convenient scapegoat. Do you think there is actually a Satan? Who or what are these so-called 'evil spirits' every single religion mentions? I know some Christians are obsessed with the devil and blame it for everything that doesn't go as planned, and for their own bad choices. But is he real, as a being? What is your perspective on this? |
| Religion / Re: The Problem With Dreams, Visions And Clairvoyance by MadMax1(f): 5:24pm On Jul 06, 2010 |
MyJoe, Ttalks, Please let me know if I can ask you questions. Thanks. |
| Religion / Re: Last Words Of Famous People -- Anton LeVey by MadMax1(f): 5:18pm On Jul 06, 2010 |
Oladeegbu,I take it the author of that cartoon died with Henry, followed him in his journey after death, saw what happened, and came back to this world to draw his cartoon and give us a report? How did he know what happened to 'Henry'? Teasing aside, I completely agree with your statement. @MyJoe, Hiya. I've questions for you. I'll look for your thread and post them there. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 5:11pm On Jul 06, 2010 |
Deep Sight: Awwww, hon. I've no interest in derailing the thread. The matter was laid to rest long ago. One argues major religious doctrines with someone who knows major religious doctrines. Your 'challenge' wasn't worth taking up by anyone who knows better. I see you're performing for some 'objective reader'. Ah. No wonder the theatrics. Enjoy. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 3:52pm On Jul 05, 2010 |
nuclearboy: Maybe. So, that many holy books are very similiar in many beliefs and teachings is the same as saying all businesses are similar and all foods are similar? The analogies are funny and offmark. But even if businesses differ, is their aim not the same, even if they take different routes ? Are successful business methods not the same worldwide? That is why any MBA class will have executives from diverse businesses, be it oil or football management or chemical engineering. Why are students from different business fields in the same business class, learning the same things? Don't all those involved in different businesses read the same business textbooks, because those books apply to them all, irrespective of their business route? I don't see anything strong there. He's ignorant of the complete teachings of most of the religions as contained in their holy books and has no real basis for comparison, but wants an argument anyway. Anyone who's ever read those books will be astonished at the extent of their similarities. It's perfectly obvious he hasn't. It's amusing but not worth an argument. Continue your debates. |
| TV/Movies / Re: Hollywood: Favourite Movies, Actors and Awards.Tinseltown reviews & Gossip (PT2) by MadMax1(f): 3:36pm On Jul 05, 2010 |
THE MATRIX Saw this movie again very recently. NEO, The One, savior of humanity from the taskmasters that have enslaved it, born into the Matrix but able to bend it to his will. If he is killed in The Matrix,'the illusion' or 'construct', he rises to life again, the only one capable of doing so. The religious parallels are obvious. Morpheus is Neo's staunchest believer, the others do not really believe till Neo rises from the dead. Tank could not believe his eyes and stammers 'H-how?' Morpheus says, 'He is the One.' The even named the free human city 'Zion'. Naughty Wachowskis, naugh-tay. They reworked a spiritual theme into cyber-technological science fiction and, and what a great re-working it was. That sublime action scene in the lobby with Neo, Trinity and those soldiers, Morpheus's first phone conversation with Neo, the betrayer in their midst, wonderfully portrayed by Pantoliano, and so many beautiful other things, rendered me mute and dead to the world the first time I saw this movie. If a bomb had blown the planet to smithereens that day I believe I wouldn't have been aware till the closing scene was done. It was that serious. The theme for the silly sequels should have been the freedom of all of humanity from the tyranny of the machines, and the spectacular destruction of the machines themselves. When NEO is first shown the Matrix by Morpheus, that is what his mission was. To quote Morpheus in the first movie,"The Oracle prophesied his return, and that his coming hail the destruction of the Matrix. . . end the war. . . bring freedom to our people. That is why there are those who have spent their entire lives searching the Matrix, looking for him." How the sequels managed to deviate from this is beyond anyone but the Wachoski Brothers to say. Agent Smith should have been a force for the machines, and Neo's nemesis, instead of merely a programme gone rogue. What a great set of movies it could have been, with all sorts of possibilities. It should have been a grand spectacle, as profound as the first or visionary as the LOTR triology. Trilogies can be spectacular, like Toy Story and LoTr has shown and Nolan's Batman will show. Instead, after a great first, the two sequels degenerated into self-serving, shallow, pretentious crap. Good action and fight scenes, lots of gloss and shiny metal and effects, but those do not a good story make. Disappointing to an extreme. Still, the first instalment is there to be savoured. Winner of four oscars, it has been voted the 12th greatest movie of all time. Bravo.
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| Religion / Re: Why Aren’t Christians Better Off Than Non-christians? by MadMax1(f): 8:59am On Jul 05, 2010 |
Christianity is based on the NT, not the OT. The OT is the foundation of Judaism, the Jewish religion based on Mosaic laws, entirely different from Christianity. I'll let the NT answer that endlessly recycled and rather funny remark of yours, why not? JOHN 8, and JOHN 11: And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ** I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. ** Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. ** Question answered? Doesn't mean the Jews are 'bad', merely human. Christ did not create a religion, that's for men to do. He merely functioned within the one He'd chosen to be born in. And since He didn't create a religion, the Jews continue to function in the Mosaic traditions they have, expecting the political ruler apparently prophesied in Micah, who is yet to come. Micah's comtemporary, Isaiah, prophesied someone else entirely, who seemed to be Christ. Is it the same man, to come at different times in Israel's history? Are they two different men? Don't know, But there is a reason Christ was at loggerheads with the religious authorities, flouted Mosaic law, constantly disregarded their 'sacred' Sabbath and when the appointed time came, was put to death by those same infallible religious authorities whose religious ancestors had written the infallible Mosaic OT Jewish Laws. The laws you assume Christians are obligated to 'accept', because a few guys got together and decided which books to put in a bible to form 'the word of God' and which not. The books they didn't include, weren't they 'the word of God'? Was God stuttering in those discarded books, didn't speak up, didn't speak loudly enough? Endlessly recycled questions. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 6:55pm On Jul 03, 2010 |
lol |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 10:19am On Jul 03, 2010 |
You're mavenbox? Sorry about the misspelling lol. The second ID is a little hard. |
| TV/Movies / Re: Hollywood: Favourite Movies, Actors and Awards.Tinseltown reviews & Gossip (PT2) by MadMax1(f): 8:21am On Jul 03, 2010 |
How on earth do you manage to keep an eye on everything happening in Hollywood? What is opening which weekend and what not. You're more of a movie freak than I am. It's July and I'm waiting for Inception. I read that interview with Nolan from the link you posted. Gifted man. He and his brother write, he directs, his wife produces everything. What they must have made in cool dough from The Dark Knight alone. Hm. |
| Religion / Re: Last Words Of Famous People -- Anton LeVey by MadMax1(f): 8:13am On Jul 03, 2010 |
Lol. Catchy toon. Nice. Doesn't pain and suffering have more to do with the immune system than 'Adam' and 'a fall' in some mythical garden though? Animals have an immune system and suffer pain too. Did a Cow Eve tempt a Bull Adam and they ate the forbidden fodder, and fell too? |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 8:04am On Jul 03, 2010 |
@ nopu, I see your thread has been moved to the Moslem section. I saw your response. Anything's possible.  I posted from dim recall two days ago. I went to verify before posting yesterday when I saw your objection. You're correct. The Quoran says Isa fights the beast and conquers and ushers in the Final Judgement.Allah does the judging. @inesquor I don't think anyone here was angry. The fun thing about the religion section is we all think we're right. So there are all these epic battles with e-doors being slammed and ox gored and heads rolling. Then everyone picks up their ox and heads, move to another thread and start the whole thing all over again. Sometimes it's serious, but it's mostly just hilarious. But there's almost always a bit of sense to things. Not everything is meaningless argument and theatrical fodder. Good discussions can be had and this thread is proof of it. I enjoyed every page, and seeing one point from the brilliant angles of different posters. I learned a lot. @PatorAIO This just caught my eye. You say atonement for sin is found in the Yoruba religion? Can you elaborate please? It sounds intriguing. Why don't African religions have written traditions? They should have gone past the oral stage. They're denying the world the depth and richness and variety of African religious thought. The Osun woman, Iya Osun, is a white American who studied Yoruba religon and was converted. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Does Not Support The Marriage Of Children by MadMax1(f): 5:33pm On Jul 02, 2010 |
Nopu, you and all these your electoral campaign promises. U go fulfil am so? |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 5:28pm On Jul 02, 2010 |
nopuqeater: Nopuqeater my friend. How the go dey go? How is your Moslem behind? Are you saying the Quoran does not say Prophet Jesus will usher in the Judgement on the Last Day? Are you saying that? Not Abraham. Not Moses. not Isaac. Not Mohammad. Jesus, says the Quoran, is ushering in the Final Judgement Day. There will be a false Prophet in Israel, Masih ad-Dajjal, the miracle-working beast. Allah will send Isa (Jesus) to fight the false prophet. Jesus will defeat Ad-Dajjal, the one-eyed false one, and then usher in Judgement. It's right there in your Quoran, abi you know something your Quoran does not? Nopu! Be careful o. And there you are mocking the person your religion says is ushering in the Final Judgement. Wha- Are you cosmically suicidal? If your religion says Prophet Jesus is ushering in the Judgement Day, maybe he's connected in ways Prophet Mohammad is not. Mo gave respect where it was due. So you'd better be a good little Moslem and be nice to Jesus. Or you'll be sorry, nopu. No fruit for you, nopu. No houris from Mohammad either. And you faithful little Moslems just looove your houris, dontcha? Be nice to Jesus, nopu, or your turbanned behind is toast. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 9:27pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
A chart of world religions? A chart? You're something else. That you think Hinduism is wrapped up in the veneration of cows is very revealing. Hinduism is one of the most complex and sophisticated religious sytem of thought on earth, encompassed by not one, but several holy books. The doctrines of any religion are in its holy books and esoteric oral teachings, not in online charts and what you overhear about the religion. It's those books and teachings that were being compared. Here's a list of some major religions with written and oral traditions: African Religions, Shinto, Age of Reason,Ancient Near East, Neopaganism/Wicca, Thelema, Theosophy, Zoroastrianism, Basque, Christianity, Confucianism, Baha'i, Book of Shadows, Buddhism,Taoism, Celtic,Theosophy, Earth Mysteries,Egyptian,Esoteric/Occult, Fortean, Gothic, Gnosticism,Grimoires, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Native American, Icelandic, Jainism, Mysticism, Necronomicon, New Thought, Oahspe, Pacific, Paleolithic, Piri Re'is, Shamanism, Sikhism, Sub Rosa, Thelema, Freemasonry, Judaism. You should at least stop searching for online charts and actually read an assortment of religious holy books and doctrines first before indulging your large appetite for argument. I went through Scientology tenets (I didn't include it up there as there are hundreds of religions), and was very surprised to find that when you scratch away the exotic space-age language, they were actually saying nothing new. The one religion I'm not totally conversant with are African religions, because of the lack of written material. It's almost totally oral. But it's just as rich and deep in lore and thought as the other religious traditions. What you should have demanded are the supposed similarities, which you may then examine. But you didn't do that, you jumped straight into arguing the opposite. Perhaps if one had said all religions are unique and have zero in common, you'd have argued they were similar. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 4:00pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
Lol.I said they were staggeringly similar in their teachings. I didn't say they were identical. And the teachings of the major religions are very extensive and sophisticated, some covering half a dozen holy books, and are not just about local cultural details like cows or trinity or the other things that grab your attention. Islam teaches that Jesus will usher in the judgement of the Last Day, which is something for two religions that have nothing in common. Sufism in Islam teaches many things similar to Buddhist 'secret' teachings. There are doctrines in it similar to things you'll find in The Tibetan Book of the Dead. Muslims believe a Madhi (something like a Chosen One) will reign for a while in the last days. Then there will be a false Messiah or False Prophet (the Christian equivalent is the AntiChrist). Then Prophet Jesus will appear and start the last Judgement. On Judgement day the world will shake and mountains will be reduced to rubble and the dead will be resurrected. And so on. And those are just the basics, not the more sophisticated writings and teachings. Many religions have doctrines in common. 'A staggering lie'. 'Incontrovertibly and disastrously false': Why the need to call people names, or turn every discussion into high drama? You can have a meaningful discussion without all that. And you wonder I had no interest in trying to answer your questions. There are no rights or wrongs. It's not an examination. A discussion means people exchange opinions, nothing more. If it's a fight, then we know it's a fight. But there isn't one here, is there? I'll leave you to it. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 3:26pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
Awwww. Thank you sweetie. But 'No means No'. nuclear and eyzhvntsn have responded to your last inquiry on a parable. All your questions were answered. If there are ambiguities in the answers, point them out for clarification. This thread makes lovely reading. You won't deny me that,surely? |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Does Not Support The Marriage Of Children by MadMax1(f): 2:52pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
I have almost died laughing. My sides are killing me. Nopuqeater, you should do stand-up comedy. Why are you denying the world of your talent. Why? Why? Is Saudi Arabia in the 'west'? Are all the Islamic countries in the 'west'? The women in the 'west' have secular non-Islamic courts to appeal to, so they generally can't be made to do what they don't like. Do the women in Islamic countries have the same privilege? Naw. The 'west' you're bragging about is what it is without Islam, you know. Women were considered the equal of men in ancient Islamic times and had more of a life than Muslim women, the chattels of husbands and fathers, do now. Women did pretty much what they pleased in ancient Islam, owning property and ruling cities. Do they dream of such things now, over a thousand years later? They aren't even allowed to go outside unless a male child or relative accompanies them. Madness. Christ didn't start a religion. God is above religion. We created them all, be it Christianity or Islam. But the same Jesus you're mocking is what your Islam says will dispense judgement and rule the world. Only Islams says he's a prophet, not the son of God. Interesting that though you equate he and Mohammed as human prophets, you say Jesus gets to judge and rule the world while Mohammed doesn't. No be cheating be dat? You should personally rectify the Koran and other Islamic beliefs about Jesus. He dared to display pain and cried out to God in agony. Your magnum should do the job nicely. I admired Islam for the magnificent thing it was in olden times, not the disgrace it is now. I read parts of the the Koran, and Mohammed's descriptions of the people and places he saw on his trip to ze Great Beyond. My favourite is the description of the tree with fruit as large as vases and butterflies of gold. Beautiful. But there was choice fruit and large-eyed houris (virgins) in Paradise too. Yes, nopu, I want the Greatest Cosmic Sex ever! It will do! Islam guarantees that, if my husband and I get to paradise together, you say? But give me time to go and finish laughing first. This guy has killed me. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 1:21pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
Commit what- Harakiri? All I have are opinions like everyone else. Lol, why are conditions attached? My personal convictions should be inherent in the few posts and answers you read, I'd think. Some of your questions are on the easy side. But you have had great answers. I can't better those. I'll just keep reading instead. Much more fun. But it's simply amazing what all religions have in common. From Sufism in Islam to Lamaism to Hinduism to Christianity, the similarities in belief and thought and doctrines are staggering. I'll never understand the religious divisions into 'a' and 'b' and 'we' and 'them'. Maybe you should read all the religions first, and then separate what you really need to know and what really matters from what doesn't. Yours are really good questions. But if you aren't already, you might broaden your religious perspectives as well. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Does Not Support The Marriage Of Children by MadMax1(f): 12:22pm On Jul 01, 2010 |
LWKMD. Naw. I'll let you boys enjoy your day out. I was reading a guy's NDE (near-death-experience) on a website two days ago. He died of cancer, and reports what happened the moment he died. He claims he saw most of the heavens there were, created by people while here, and called the Christian heaven, um, 'boring'. See the story of his death- journey here: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html He didn't visit the Moslem paradise to certify the 70 virgins though. Come to think of, no one has, and there has been millions of NDEs worldwide. Let me look into Moslem NDEs and the man's man of a God who promises group sex as a reward for spiritual labour. People ask Moslem gals what they get in Paradise after a lifetime of devotion, but Islam is curiously silent about that. Who knows? Maybe there is a Paradise with 70 virgins and those suicide bombers haven't been blowing themselves and other people up for nothing. But a Paradise of eternal conjugal bliss with 70 women smacks of a dreadful lack of imagination, like a bad bribe. Much like the 'Christian heaven'. Eternity is a long time. What happens when you get bored with the same 70 virgins over and over? Won't you start eye-ing other people's 70s? Maybe other people's 70 virgins will start eyeing you back. Next thing you know, they're killing themselves in Paradise all over again over women. Motives. Yeah. We do a lot of dutiful 'generosity to the poor' to get a rush of religiousity and a 'Look at me giving to the poor, aren't I great' feeling and all that. Oh well. The needy still benefit, and there are truly compassionate people. Most people are. We empathize with others. Middle Way Buddism teaches all that is meaningless to your spiritual development if love and giving is calculated, if it isn't a natural part and parcel of you. Christ admonished the Jews over the same thing, giving to be seen and praised by others. I think most religious holy books say something about that. But few people are born purely selfless. We all grow and do the best we can, I think. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Does Not Support The Marriage Of Children by MadMax1(f): 11:40am On Jul 01, 2010 |
nuclearboy: He's just pulling my leg. He can't really be held responsible for what other people do in the name of Islam. But he apparently feels obligated to defend it. A man marries a 13 year old, says secular law does not bind him and yet, as the NBA pointed out, sits down in a senate making the same secular laws. Worse, an official Islamic body comes out to defend the shameless carcass. Much worse goes on in other countries. I've moslem friends I visit in their home countries. Islam doesn't seem to think it has real problems, much less get together and tackle them. |
| Family / Re: I Found Messages My Wife Wrote Toanother Man When We Were Together by MadMax1(f): 8:39am On Jul 01, 2010 |
What will I do, leadteam? The fact that one is married doesn't mean your husband goes blind to every other woman in the world and if a beautiful woman walks past, he can't appreciate her beauty in that instinctive masculine way they all have. He may even have an occasional 'crush'. It doesn't mean he's actually in love or wants to sleep with her. I certainly notice attractive men, but it doesn't really mean anything. If your husband is handsome and intelligent and outstanding and powerful, he doesn't stop being all those things just because he got married. There's a world full of people outside your marriage and some of them don't care whether you're married or not. Everything depends on the kind of person he is and the kind of person you are. There was a reason I married him, of all the men in the world, and there's a reason he married me. I have everything I want in him. If that ever ceases to be the case, the door out is open to both. Lies and deceit and manipulation kill a relationship. There is no need for it. Love is a disease with very clear and obvious symptoms, If he was in love with someone else I would have seen it without his having to say a word, unless I choose not to. There would never have been a marriage. You don't marry just anyone you 'like', you marry someone who loves you, and who has earned your trust and love, is mature, and has emotional integrity. There doesn't seem to be any respect or trust in randoman's relationship, and the marriage is just 8 weeks old. What are they going to do with the rest of their marriage? If she were in love with someone else the signs would have been there before he married her. Women are terrible at hiding it when they're in love. It's either men aren't as good as women in spotting these things, or he loved her too much to care and married her anyway. In any case, he doesn't know the truth for sure, it's all just suspicions at this point. I really hope it turns out to be a 'good' truth and not a bitter one, but he seems very sure what he's going to find. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam Does Not Support The Marriage Of Children by MadMax1(f): 8:11am On Jul 01, 2010 |
Lol. I'm a Christian, you sexist dingbat. Yeah. I know women are possessions in islam;I see them in those pitiful black things you make them wear, cos, you know, Moslem men apparently swoon at the sight of bare ankles and arms. Don't lay it all at the feet of 'hypocrites in Islam'. That's too easy. No wonder your religion has regressed to the stone age. You should not be mixing religion with politics and government. It's insanity. And scholarshipwise, Islam has long lost its edge. Its abandoned its genius and is busy with stupidities like controlling women and taking children from schools and stuffing a silly religious education down their throats. Then they throw them out in the streets to beg. All those almajiris, among them may be future rocket scientists or someone who will find the cure for cancer, or a great statesman, and other geniuses, but you don't give them half a chance, do you? It's your inbred royal twits that get all the privilege and 'western' schooling. You people should take a pause between blowing people up and sort yourselves out.You really need it. |
| Religion / Re: Nuclearboy Puts Deep Sights's Concerns On Xtianity To The Sword by MadMax1(f): 10:20pm On Jun 30, 2010 |
nuclear, where's your lord Viaro? Out of town? Join? Some of Deep Sight's page 1 questions are quite easy, but the responses made great reading and I learned a lot. I'd really rather just follow the discussion. |
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