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Christianity Etc › Re: Gospel In Genesis. by malvisguy212(op): 9:13am On Oct 09, 2016

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 9:10am On Oct 09, 2016

akintom:
Every thought and writing of religious folks on religion will always betray religious absurdities.

All the self-conflicting gist on difference are mere semantics of - "christianity is not religion but a way of life". This is puerile defence of how delusionary it's to hold religious world views from the lens of Christian religion.

To support your contradictions, you quoted your Bible to support your argument for both descriptive words. In the end of this needless exercise, you have just established that Christianity is religion and religion is Christianity.

Read it one more time and point were I contradict myself, let us start there. The substance is in the heart which you cannot see because you belong to the pagan world, why did the pagan at antioch first call the apostles christian ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Steps To Embracing The New Thing That God Wants To Do In Your Life. by malvisguy212: 7:05am On Oct 09, 2016

There are differences between Christianity and religion, Many are GOING TO CHURCH but few are GOING DOWN THE ROAD WHICH LEADS TO LIFE. Many are RELIGIOUS but few are RIGHT WITH GOD. Religion is DOING while Christianity is DONE. When Jesus cried on the cross, "it is finished" The work of our salvation was FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED and COMPLETED. A religious man may be likened as a man who try to swim from river kaduna to niger by his own strength, he will never make it. But the man who is save by faith is likened to be a man who get on a ship, hoping it will take him to his destination. This man simply rests upon the ship and lets the ship do all the work. THIS ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RELIGION AND CHRISTIANITY. 1. RELIGION: "Salvation is something I must do. I must somehow earn or gain salvation by the way I live." CHRISTIANITY: "Salvation is something only God can do. Salvation is of the LORD!" (Eph. 2:8-9). 2. RELIGION: Religion is summed up in one word: DO--man trying to DO different things to please God and earn His favor. CHRISTIANITY: Christianity is summed up in one word; DONE--Christ dying on the cross to save sinful man (John 19:30). 3. RELIGION: The religious man is busy "working" (doing good works) in order to be saved. CHRISTIANITY: The saved person is "not working" (Rom. 4:5) but is RESTING upon the finished work of Another. Although he must beware (1 peter 5: 4. RELIGION: RELIGION is man trying to BRING HIMSELF TO GOD (by human effort, good works, ritualism, traditionalism, sacraments, etc.). CHRISTIANITY: CHRISTIANITY is Christ BRINGING US TO GOD on the basis of what He did for us on the cross, NOT by our own effort. (1 Peter 3:18). 5. RELIGION: Man trying to please God in the wrong way (Rom. 8:8--"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God" . CHRISTIANITY: Man truly pleasing God in the only way (Hebrews 11:6--"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" . 6. RELIGION: The religious man is seeking to establish his own righteousness by ignoring the way of the righteousness of God (Rom. 10:3). CHRISTIANITY: The saved man is satisfied with the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 5:21). 7.RELIGION: Religion is pictured in Genesis 3 by the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made for themselves--a terrible covering (Gen. 3:7). CHRISTIANITY: Salvation is pictured in Genesis 3 by the coats of skin which God provided by way of the shedding of BLOOD--a perfect covering (Gen. 3:21). 8.RELIGION: CAIN'S RELIGION--"I bring to God the labour of my own hands" (Gen. 4:3). CHRISTIANITY: ABEL'S FAITH--"I bring to God a blood sacrifice. An innocent substitute must die to save me" (Gen. 4:4). Good works done by sinful man can never please a holy God. The greatest good work is GOD'S WORK accomplished by Jesus Christ who offered Himself on the cross as the sinner's Substitute.Thus we are not saved by good works but we are saved unto good works: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10). "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13). Are you resting fully in the finished work of Christ? Are you trusting in Jesus Christ, WHO HE IS, WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR YOU and WHAT HE HAS SAID IN HIS WORD? "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Faith,belief,reason And Truth. by malvisguy212(op): 6:41am On Oct 09, 2016

malvisguy212:
Justification is the concept that provides
our belief with the assuredness of its
truth. People believe things for reasons,
which provide the warrant for their belief.Without these reasons,you do not have knowledge of what you believe. If a belief is JUSTIFIED, then we have the right to believe it. Atheists got it wrong, there view was; " since you cannot know something with 100% certainty, you cannot obtain the truth (or knowledge), you just have to believe ,God did it". The bible say otherwise, in Isaiah 1:18 God is calling human to "come and let us REASON together"

This brief journey into obtaining knowledge of what you belief was done in order to show the relationship between FAITH,BELIEF AND TRUTH . Christianity requires faith, faith requires
belief, and belief requires TRUTH.This is not just a mere belief but rather a trust that is characterized as knowledge.

Notice how Paul incorporates all three of these elements in his letter to the
Romans, “if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). You cannot "confess with your mouth" without knowing the truth.

No matter how hard I try, I cannot make myself believe that there is a pink elephant in the room right now. I do not have direct free will over my beliefs, i.e. I can’t make myself believe something. I also cannot just tell people what to believe or exhort them to believe it. But if I don’t have free will over my beliefs, how can the Bible hold me responsible for them? The answer lies in the fact that I do have responsibility as to where I choose to focus my mind. I have free choice in body movements and where to place my attention (what you choose to think about). I have to choose to be preoccupied with something to change my belief or increase my certainty in that belief .Faith in the biblical sense means trust or confidence, confident in what we know to be TRUE. You do not have to be 100% certain in a belief for it to count as knowledge.

The bible say faith alone cannot save , why? because what you have faith in
must be TRUE, Biblical faith is accurate knowledge combined with ACTIVE TRUST Faith and knowledge are not opposed to each other. So Trusting faith alone does NOT save, but instead what is trusted MUST be true.

The faith Jesus had was not an absence of knowledge, but was based upon an intimate knowledge of his Father. We too can gain knowledge to make our faith richer.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 6:36am On Oct 09, 2016

malvisguy212:
First Corinthians 1:20
(ESV) asks, “Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the
debater of this age? Has not God made
foolish the wisdom of the world?

This thread is not for you, you do not belong to the kingdom of God, Jesus likened people like you as dogs who eat from their master table, this teaching is beyond your knowledge. First
Corinthians 1:28–29 (ESV) goes on:

But God chose what is foolish in the
world to shame the wise; God chose
what is weak in the world to shame
the strong; God chose what is low and
despised in the world, even things
that are not, to bring to nothing
things that are, so that no human
being might boast in the presence of
God.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Satan Has Deceived The Atheists by malvisguy212(op): 6:34am On Oct 09, 2016

malvisguy212:
you're truly an atheist and not an agnostic as you claim. Agnostic are truly seeking for answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 1:51pm On Oct 08, 2016

mustymatic:
And it's called abrogation

are you not the one that gave the dictionary meaning of abrogation ? A prophecy fulfilled is not a abrogation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 1:44pm On Oct 08, 2016

mustymatic:
All this your form and prepare is utter nonsense
When your mother prepares food it means she makes it
I'll make it snappy
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Abrogation (Arabic Naskh) is a topic that is dealt with in the Sciences of the Qur’an. Abrogation is defined as the lifting of a shari`ah ruling because of the evidence of a later shari`ah ruling. Abrogation plays an essential role in the history of religion in the sense that the shari`ah brought by our Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and grant him peace) abrogated all previous shari`ahs. But there is also abrogation within Islam as well, when previous rulings are nullified by rulings that come later. A noteworthy example of this is the gradual prohibition of wine. It was first revealed in the Qur’an the prohibition of preforming the prayer while intoxicated: “O you who have believed! Do not approach the prayer while you are intoxicated…” (al-Nisa’, 43). Later, the ruling of this verse was abrogated by a complete prohibition of wine altogether: “O you who have believed! Wine and gambling . . . are of Satan’s handwork, so shun them so that you may be successful. Satan wants but to place between you enmity and hatred with wine and gambling and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from the prayer. Will you not then abstain?” (al-Ma’ida, 90-91)

Among the wisdoms of abrogation was bringing ease by introducing rulings that were appropriate for the different states of the Muslims during the times of revelation. When the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) first brought the religion, it was not easy for people to leave their previous beliefs and traditions. Allah sent the guidance and the rulings step-by-step, with His divine care and concern, gradually purifying and raising the ummah until the religion was complete
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The new testament as the christians claim is the perfect example of abrogation of the old

Which of the verses are abrogated ? The quran was not reveal in chronological order, how can you know which verse is replace ?
Moreover, early Islamic records show that many of the Surahs (Chapters) were not revealed to Muhammad at one specific instance but were delivered piecemeal over a period of time. The Islamic records also show that some later verses were added to earlier Surahs under the direction of Muhammad.

One example of the disorderly chronology is
that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were
revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s
arrival in Medina.And it took another SIX years
to reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet
Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six years
earlier) was inserted to follow Surah 2:192.
How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and “abrogator” verses render the entire Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one verse encourages slavery and another condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 6:01am On Oct 08, 2016

EyeHateGod:
Common it's no news that Christians Are Hypocrites na

atheists and muslims with same spirit and hatred. Hardly you see atheist criticise islam. Your parent are christian, am I right ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 5:58am On Oct 08, 2016

mustymatic:
I'll take you serious as soon as you can explain to us which of these verses abrogated which...
If not, you are a hypocrite

There are big difference between made and form, The term
"made" is translated from Hebrew word #
6212, which basically means "to PREPERE,"and the word "formed" is translated from Hebrew word #3335, which means "to form, FASHION, frame." Example :

Isaiah 45:18,
"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that FORMED the earth AND MADE it;"

In other words, God "prepared" every living thing in Genesis 1, but did not actually bring it into physical form until Genesis 2!

Genesis 2:4-5,
"This is the book of the generation of heaven and earth, when they were MADE, in the day in which the LORD God MADE the heaven and
the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it was in the earth [before it was formed], and all the grass of the field BEFORE IT SPRANG UP [before it was formed], for God had not rained
on the earth, AND THEIR WAS NOT A MAN TO CULTIVATE IT [why was there not a man to cultivate it? Because no man was yet formed!]. "

"Not a man to cultivate it" this imply the herb and animal were MADE before man, But when we come to the "forming" of them, we see that,
at Genesis 2:7, Adam was "formed" before
the animals, then, at Genesis 2:19, the animals were "formed." Then, at Genesis 2:20, Adam named the animals. And lastly, at Genesis 1:22, Eve was "formed" from Adam's rib.

Now, back to topic, if you cannot answer my question, why are you a muslim ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 10:31pm On Oct 07, 2016

Surah 16:101: “And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, – and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth – they say: Lo! thou art but INVENTING Most of them know not.” (Pickthall)

This Qur’anic verse shows that a number of
people living during the time of Muhammad
were troubled at this concept of abrogation. In
response to the claim that new revelations
superseded the older ones, they said to
Muhammad, “Thou art but inventing most of them "And they are absolutely right.

Surah 13:39: “Allah makes to pass away
and establishes what He pleases, and
with Him is the basis of the Book.” (Shakir)

If Allah in the Qur’an manifests himself as the
arbitrary god who acts as he pleases without
even honoring his own sayings, then he is acting in a way that is totally foreign to the truths taught in the Holy Bible. God does not change and neither does his teachings. Every instance of abrogation is a problem for the doctrine of an unchanging God.

Malachi 3:6
“For I am the Lord, I do not change..."

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Christianity Etc › Abrogated Verses In The Quran. Question For Muslims. by malvisguy212(op): 10:24pm On Oct 07, 2016

To abrogate means to abolish, annul, rescind, repeal or revoke. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the
Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the
same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous
difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an.

if the Qur’an is the genuine Word of God, then the commandments written in it must by no means be abrogated. Its contents must remain intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115:
“The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORD. He is the
Hearer, the Omniscient.”

However, note the contradiction in surah 2:106:

Surah 2:106:“Whatever verse WE SHALL ABROGATE , OR CAUSE (thee) TO FORGET, we will bring a better one than it, or one like unto it. Dost thou not know that God is almighty ? ” (Sale)

This lead to so many question like :

1. How can a Muslim know what is abrogated
and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist in the
Qur’an, what is the use of these abrogated
verses for Muslims now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for the
ordinary readers of the Qur’an to verify
what is abrogated and what is not?
4. How would an average Muslim know what
is abrogated and what is not, when even
scholar disagree among themselves as to
the numbers of verses that are abrogated?
5. Would not this then mean that the Qur’an
requires someone of a higher scholastic
level to understand it and therefore it is not
meant for the average Muslim?
6. Why replace one verse with another if they are similar. If the Qur’an is the Word of God, should it not be perfect from the start? How can one perfect verse be better than another perfect verse? So, how can Allah claim to substitute his perfect verse with something better? How can a divinely perfect revelation be improved upon?

Caliph Umar similarly stated the following:

“Two men read a Surah which the apostle of
God had taught them, yet one night they
rose up to pray BUT THEY FAIL TO REMEMBER
one word of it. The next morning, they went
to the apostle of God and related it to him.
He told them, ‘ IT IS ONE OF THOSE WHICH HAVE BEEN ABROGATED, thus, forget about
it …”’ (Refer to the Itqan, 3:74).

Wow, Can you believe this? Not only is the
forgetfulness of the Prophet is taken as an
indication of abrogation by Allah but even the
forgetfulness of ordinary Muslims were
considered as such. What happened to the
written verses. Were they also made to
disappear by Allah? Does not this prove that
much of the Qur’an was not put into written
form during the time of Muhammad?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus God? by malvisguy212: 9:55pm On Oct 07, 2016

APCsupporter:
The Qur'an was never changed after the death of the prophet because Allah Himself promised to protect it and that has been accepted by both Muslims and non-muslims. Several attempts were made to change some things in the Qur'an but all of them were futile. I don't know what else to tell you cos I was not alive 1400 years ago. The bible on the other hand has a lot of contradictions and different versions

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE His words. He is the
Hearer, the Omniscient.”

And then later, allah change his word, he abrogate it:

Surah 2:106: “None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We
SUBSTITUTE SOMETHING BETTER OR SIMILAR:
Knowest thou not that God Hath power over
all things?” (Yusuf Ali)

Now, Answer the following question, if properly answer, you will discover lies is being told some where.

1. How can a Muslim know what is abrogated
and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist in the
Qur’an, what is the use of these abrogated
verses for Muslims now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for the
ordinary readers of the Qur’an to verify
what is abrogated and what is not?
4. How would an average Muslim know what
is abrogated and what is not, when even
scholar disagree among themselves as to
the numbers of verses that are abrogated?
5. Would not this then mean that the Qur’an
requires someone of a higher scholastic
level to understand it and therefore it is not
meant for the average Muslim?
6. What if a Muslim followed a command in
the Qur’an that was actually abrogated and
did not realized it ,would it be counted as
sin?
7. Why should the Qur’an abrogate parts of
itself?
8.If the Qur’an is the Word of God, should
it not be perfect from the start? How can one
perfect verse be better than another perfect
verse? So, how can Allah claim to substitute his
perfect verse with something better? How can
a divinely perfect revelation be improved upon?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why No Christian Lady Should Ever Marry An Atheist!! by malvisguy212: 7:55pm On Oct 07, 2016

taurus25:
I have NO evidence for the existence of over 5000 gods, hence i believe non exists. i guess i have a VERY BIG faith ...and i love it!

alright.

Christianity Etc › Re: Checkout What The Bible And Quran Says About Killing. by malvisguy212: 9:38am On Oct 07, 2016

truthmans2012:
Succinct!!!

weldon sir, long time, happy to know you are alright. Bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why No Christian Lady Should Ever Marry An Atheist!! by malvisguy212: 9:19am On Oct 07, 2016

sonofluc1fer:
You have no idea what faith means if you claim an atheist has faith. Disbelief in God doesn't require faith.

Did you have evidence that God does not exist ? NO!! But you believe God does not exist, in fact, the atheist faith is bigger than the religion folks.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why No Christian Lady Should Ever Marry An Atheist!! by malvisguy212: 7:53am On Oct 07, 2016

sonofluc1fer:
Mighy not be atheists. Might be their belief. I mean, if they are right, you're basically wasting your time. You're just an old sperm that will one day did like many others before you. No heaven, no hell.. That can be depressing, whether true or not.

And what if is the other way round ? You are wrong and I am right ? Indeed it take a giant leap of faith to be an atheist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why No Christian Lady Should Ever Marry An Atheist!! by malvisguy212: 7:50am On Oct 07, 2016

lepasharon:
Are you aware he's an atheist married to a Christian?

as if you know everything going on in his private life.

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Christianity Etc › Re: New Testament Verse Christians Ignore by malvisguy212: 10:11pm On Oct 06, 2016

Scholar8200:
Mark 1 is not the same thing as Mark 5 and the leprous man in Mark 1 is not the same as the demoniac in Mark 5. Besides, secretive and Jesus bid him to go testify??

[size=18pt]And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.

19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.

20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.

Mark 5:18-20
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There!That settles it.

The records are there to verify from. Was the rich, young ruler commanded to do what the healed demoniac was asked to do?

How many of the 'most' do you know inside out?

What is the % of that most to ALL?

This is why I didnt mention any contemporary names in the previous reply. I am not here to praise or denigrate any pastor. God is the Judge.

The chapters 11, 12 & 14 dealt with conduct of public worship. Go read them.

Because it is better you read them. Since you could select all those verses in the Op, then apply the same diligence here.

I answered you as it concerns the meaning of the passage and its context QED.

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perfect bro, the people you are teaching, their heart has turn cold, NO matter what you say, they will find fault, your first post has already debunk this thread, his opinion don't count. God bless you my good friend.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should You Trust An Arbitrary God? by malvisguy212: 9:59am On Oct 06, 2016

akintom:
Before Esau and Jacob were born, God HATED Isau and LOVED Jacob.

Esau had not committed any SIN against God to warrant his HATRED, and neither had Jacob done any RIGHTEOUSNESS to warrant his LOVE.

In answering this question, Paul the Apostle says God behaves as he (God) wishes, and God can't be questioned on what he does.

Now, what if when you die as a born again Christian, and you get to heaven's gate, and God says to you that he has changed his mind, that you're going to hell, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT GOD THEN?

In answering, please remember that it's the same God that said the soul that sin shall die. This same God turned around to say he (God) shall avenge the sin of the father on the children till fourth generations.

The word is used in NATIONAL term and not personal term:

Genesis 25:22-23, "...And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two NATION are in thy womb, and TWO MANNER OF PEOPLE shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

Moreover, the text say the elder shall serve the Younger. Jacob never did exercise any
power over Esau, nor was Esau ever subject to him. Jacob, on the contrary, was rather subject to Esau, and was sorely afraid of him; and, first, by his messengers, and afterwards personally, acknowledged his brother to be his lord, and himself to be his servant (see Genesis 32:4; 33:8, 13). Esau was a reprobate nation hence the hate.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by malvisguy212: 11:09pm On Oct 05, 2016

Most religions say Jesus was a great teacher or prophet. So focus on that great teacher. Until you do, God will remain a blur. Consider a worst-case scenario. Suppose another religion were right and instead of following that religion, I became a Christian. Many religions would say the Christian life is reasonably moral. So, according to them, although I
would miss top spot, my life after death would be fairly comfortable. A few claim that if I ignored their religion, after death I'll cease to exist. I can handle that. Some say I'd get
another chance through reincarnation. That's not too bad. But,relative to almost all religions, Jesus increased the stakes enormously. If
he is right and I ignore him, the consequences are unthinkable. In addition, unlike most other religions, Jesus leaves his believers certain that
they will enter heaven. Other religions typically place so many requirements on their adherents before they could be considered worthy of heaven that their followers endure a lifetime of uncertainty as to whether they have met those requirements.

To determine if Jesus' teaching is from God requires divine insight. Whether God grants a person this spiritual understanding hinges on a
single factor. That critical factor, said Jesus, is your willingness to obey God (John 7:17). Why should God brother to open your eyes to spiritual truth if you are unwilling to respond to that truth? Yet, few of us are prepared to pay that price. It involves a willingness to relinquish our hopes and dreams for the future, to forego our pet sins and anything else God may ask. Such abandonment seems crazy until we consider who God is. The God who made and sustains the entire universe is the source of all
knowledge, moral goodness and love. That means he is good, he is trustworthy, he has our best interest at heart, he is wiser than us and he loves us more than we love ourselves.

Obeying God is the smartest thing anyone could ever do. Until we acknowledge this and are willing to obey God, we obviously don't want God in our lives. We might want him as our slave, or as a curiosity, but not as God. If so, why should God waste time giving us the spiritual discernment to know whether Jesus is
the only way to God? Until we rectify this, we can expect God to let us remain spiritually confused, subject to the deceptive powers of anti-God influences, unable to determine which religion is right.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 6:46pm On Oct 05, 2016

malvisguy212:
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 6:40pm On Oct 05, 2016

malvisguy212:
Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

To deny that God does anything without
a purpose behind it amounts to a denial
of God himself. ( Surah 38:27) In the
Qur’an, it is the very absence of such a
clearly defined purpose in the unique
conception of Jesus, which perplexes the seeker of truth as to the meaning behind this miraculous birth.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212(op): 6:38pm On Oct 05, 2016

malvisguy212:
The
Bible clearly identifies Jehovah as the true source behind the astounding works performed by Jesus Christ:
Acts 10:38: “You know that God anointed Jesus from Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Jesus went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil. Jesus did these things because God was with him.” Jehovah not only caused the miraculous birth of Jesus but also
empowered him to perform many miracles. This raises vital questions
regarding the true source behind the inspiration of the Qur’an. It
certainly could not come from the same Almighty God who performed
many miracles through Jesus. Since the Qur’an itself states that Allah
has stopped sending miracles long before the arrival of Jesus, Muslims are faced with a dilemma.

Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Quran,allah Help In Creating The World Largest Religion. by malvisguy212(op): 6:37pm On Oct 05, 2016

malvisguy212:
so you know the exactly time I created this topic but because you cannot defend what is made plain to you, instead you ignore it ? Okay

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians god Have Sex With Mary To Get His Only Begotten Son by malvisguy212: 6:23pm On Oct 05, 2016

FriendChoice:
Why did Allah decided to create Adam before Eve. Why did Allah create Human being. Why did Allah create angel. Why Allah says we should worship, why did he not allow us to do what we feels like. Silly questions.

Allah do what he wills. But Note he don't engage in lower act of Animals, sex for that matter.

Surah 22:5: “O mankind! If ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, consider that We created you out of dust…” (Yusuf Ali)

Here, Allah is saying no prove is needed to manifest his power since his initial act of creation is sufficient for man to perceive his creative powers. In other words, there is no need for Allah to further demonstrate his creative powers. I repeat, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF JESUS MIRACULOUS CONCEPTION IN THE QURAN ? If you cannot answer this question, why are you a muslim ?

The miraculous conception of Jesus just could not have been for the purpose of a manifestation of God’s power as there was no
visible demonstration of God’s power for
humans to behold when he caused the
conception to take place. The miraculous

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians god Have Sex With Mary To Get His Only Begotten Son by malvisguy212: 1:23pm On Oct 05, 2016

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God say be it and it is. But you believe he is begotten son, a son from sex.

why dint allah allow jesus to be born normal ? What is the purpose of the virgin birth ? If you cannot answer this question, why are you a muslim ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians god Have Sex With Mary To Get His Only Begotten Son by malvisguy212: 1:04pm On Oct 05, 2016

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Ok now you believe Christian god have committed fornication and rapes Marry may Allah be pleased with her, a virgin to delivered his only begotten son.

see this dishonest muslim, I ask you a question, what is the purpose of the virgin birth in the quran ? Answer pleas. Why must jesus be born of a virgin ? Did not the quran claim mary was a virgin ? Your accusation include allah also.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians god Have Sex With Mary To Get His Only Begotten Son by malvisguy212: 12:50pm On Oct 05, 2016

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[b] [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."

She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.

And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel

And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.

And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [/b]

Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first.

But in the case of jesus, we see God interrupting the process of pro-creation in other for jesus to be born , WHY ? Does the quran give reason for this ? What MANNER of MAN is jesus that God will interrupt the process of pro-creation for him to be born ? It point to the fact that jesus has a FATHER and SON RELANTIONSHIP with God. If God want to manifest his power, the creation of the universe is enough, even the quran say so. Or do you want to deny that God did this without a purpose ?

Jesus had an exceptional and unique beginning to his life on earth. As he was the only man in all human history to come into the world in this unusual way, we cannot be satisfied with the Qur’an’s summary declaration that it was no more than just an exercise of God’s power. It is only in the BIBLE that the reason of the virgin birth is given.

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians god Have Sex With Mary To Get His Only Begotten Son by malvisguy212: 12:13pm On Oct 05, 2016

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When says he beget not. What bring about he can or he cannot.

Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One. Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born. Nor is there to Him any equivalent." Qur'an 112

The question doesn't even rise. Only when it say HE beget then you should ask me weda with consort or not.

he begat with magic ? How did mary give birth to jesus ?

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