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HardMirror:
Will you stop this nonsense? Can you even listen to yourself and hear the rubbish you are saying?

How many years did it take before the message of Jesus got to yorubaland? Asia? South america, north america, austrialia etc how many people died before ever hearing of jesus. Are they all in hell for not accepting christ? If your answer is yes, does that not tell you your god's plan to save humanity is a failure, if you say no they are not in hell because they were ignorant of the message of jesus, then what is the essence of jesus dying?
Use your head and think. These jesus of a thing is so ridiculous

HardMirror:
The way you people keep inventing excuses clearly shows religion is man made. God never speaks for himself.
At what point does a child become a candidate for hell if he is not born again? Age 1? 2? 3? When?
So you mean a mad man will go to heaven so far he gave his life to christ before becoming mad, then why did christ allow him to still go insane?
Look at how Ileya ram almost caused WWIII yesterday with christians contradicting each other. All these just shows humans are the authors of religion

Caseless:
Jeremiah predicts Babylon would be suddenly and completely obliterated. But this did not happen.
There are false prophecies in the bible. They are intended to dilute the impact of the more radical prophets. Everything points to the scribes and the priests as the architects of these distortions, since they are often pilloried by the radical prophets. Jesus confirms this by accusing them: “You nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.” (Matthew 15:6 ).
Indeed, Jeremiah insists scribes falsified parts of the bible. He asks the Jews: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.” (Jeremiah 8:8 ). Little did he know they would also tamper with his own writings.

According to Jeremiah, the sacrificial system is not of God: “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.’” (Jeremiah 7:21-22).
But paradoxically, another so-called Jeremiah appears in the same bible declaring sacrifices a God-ordained everlasting system: “Thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.” (Jeremiah 33:17-18).
The latter position proved to be wishful-thinking. The sacrificial system and the Levitical priesthood came to an end with the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in A.D. 70.

False prophecies about Egypt

Ezekiel says Nebuchadnezzar would destroy Egypt: “They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain. I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men; by the hand of foreigners I will lay waste the land and everything in it.’” (Ezekiel 30:10-12).
None of these things happened to Egypt. The Babylonians attacked Egypt unsuccessfully in 586 B.C.

The Nile never dried up.

Ezekiel says furthermore: “I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia. Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years… Yet, thus says the Lord GOD: ‘At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered.’” (Ezekiel 29:10-13).

Again, nothing like that happened. There was never a time when Egypt was desolate for forty years. And there is no history of the exile and return of the Egyptians.

False prophecies about Tyre

Ezekiel says Nebuchadnezzar would so destroy Tyre; it would remain an eternal ruin never to be found again: “Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will bring against Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, and with horsemen and a host of many soldiers… You shall never be rebuilt, for I am the LORD; I have spoken… When I make you a city laid waste, like the cities that are not inhabited… I will bring you to a dreadful end, and you shall be no more. Though you be sought for, you will never be found again.” (Ezekiel 26:7/16/19/21).


This “prophecy” was false even before it was written. Another Ezekiel contradicts it, acknowledging that Nebuchadnezzar was unable to capture Tyre: “Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre. Every head was made bald, and every shoulder was rubbed bare, yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor that he had performed against her.” (Ezekiel 29: 18).

Isaiah also predicts the destruction of Tyre but says it would only last seventy years: “In that day Tyre will be forgotten for seventy years… At the end of seventy years, the LORD will visit Tyre, and she will return to her wages and will prostitute herself with all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth.” (Isaiah 23:15/17).


Nebuchadnezzar laid a siege on Tyre for thirteen years from 585 to 573 B.C. but could not take the city. Tyre was never destroyed. Even when Alexander the Great defeated the city in 332 BC, it was soon rebuilt on the same site.

Much later, Jesus visited Tyre and healed the demon-possessed daughter of a Canaanite woman there: “Jesus went away from there and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon.” (Matthew 15:21). Paul also went on a missionary journey to Tyre: “When we had come in sight of Cyprus, leaving it on the left we sailed to Syria and landed at Tyre, for there the ship was to unload its cargo.” (Acts 21:3). (See also Acts 12:20).

In spite of the doomsday prophecy about Tyre, the city exists till today. It is the fourth largest city in Lebanon and houses one of the country’s major ports.

False prophecies about Babylon

Jeremiah predicts Babylon would be suddenly and completely obliterated: “Babylon has suddenly fallen and been destroyed.” (Jeremiah 51:. Isaiah also says: “Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride, will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.” (Isaiah 13:19).

But this did not happen. Babylon was never devastated in the manner of Sodom and Gomorrah. In 539, the city surrendered to Cyrus without a fight. It then became one of the richest cities in the Persian Empire. However, over the centuries, Babylon gradually lost its influence as a great city.

Isaiah says Babylon “will never be inhabited, nor will it be settled from generation to generation; nor will the Arabian pitch tents there, nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.” (Isaiah 13:20).
However, Babylon has been inhabited for much of ancient history till date. During the era of the writing of the New Testament, it was a center of Jewish learning. Peter sent greetings from a lady in Babylon: “She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings.” (1 Peter 5:13).

Jeremiah also says no one would dwell in Babylon again or even pass through it. “The sea has come up on Babylon; she is covered with its tumultuous waves. Her cities have become a horror, a land of drought and a desert, a land in which no one dwells, and through which no son of man passes.” (Jeremiah 51:42-43).
But that did not happen. You can buy a ticket today and go to Babylon. It is in Iraq. Indeed, Saddam Hussein spent a billion dollars refurbishing it.

God’s word is truth

Christians must be committed to truth. That means admitting the bible is sometimes given to Jewish wishful thinking. Jesus, not the bible, is the word of God. (John 1:1). Our job is not to defend falsehood simply because this happens to be in the bible. Our faith is in a living God and a risen Lord attested to in the bible and verified through personal knowledge.

Thereby, no scientific, historical or archaeological discovery can make any difference to the fact that Jesus lives.


https://www.today.ng/opinion/177025/bible-infallible

ladyF:
Sometimes I think about this too. What of people with psychological problems that have no control over their emotions? Will they be punished because of a disease that they didn't bring upon themselves?

What of mad people that cut themselves? Will they go to hell because they were mad and committed suicide?

Been thinking deeply about the whole concept of religion lately sef....

johnydon22:
Oh by all means i will https://www.nairaland.com/2557475/delusions-forgiveness-christian-morality

I'm not here win arguments, thats for children.

2dugged:
it's an observation I have made over time,even when growing up, though it's not that common as in the 90s when there was a strict rule in these churches for sisters to marry from the same denomination,and you still don't get my point, marrying a believer will not make me immune to problems either

2dugged:
Even though you didn't answer my question,but it seems you already concluded that marrying an atheist is turning one's back on God, are you then saying that marrying an unbeliever is an automatic ticket to hell?

johnydon22:
Starkly untrue and i will show how



From the post Soldiers that protect the colony, queens, workers and many more [size=20]but for our tale we will focus on the workers.[/size]

It was obvious that the 'Ant analogy' was based on the workers, behaviourial tendencies and collective approach.



Religious basis for morality presents the very apex of selfish propulsion for ethical actions, it subtly proposes an ethical position gunned towards posthumous reward [Paradise] or evasion of posthumous torture [hell].

The actions of the individual is severed from the "need" for ethical actions towards individuals or the society but rather as a greedy means to secure a posthumous end.

That is the height of greed, selfishness and cannot ever be considerately equated with anything near "selflessness".

Here is another tale.

Mr A is in need of Bread, he calls John and asks him to buy a bread for him but John is unwilling to undertake the tasks, he may directly reject or have an indifferent approach towards the request.

Mr A calls John again, brings out a #100 note and promises to give John the money as a reward if he carries out the task, John immediately agrees to the task.
In this scenario, John was not motivated into helping Mr A because he wanted to but for the selfish end of getting a #100 note

Mr A calls John on a second instance, brings out his whip and promises John 100 strokes if he refuses to carry out his request, John also fearfully carries out the task
this scenario also show cases a selfish motive behind John's action, he didn't go because he wanted to, he did so because he was afraid of Mr A's wrath therefore wanted only to save his skin

On a last instance Mr B calls Seun and request he helps him get some bread, Seun carries out the task.
seun unlike John had no reward or punishment option roped around the request, he did Mr B the favour sorely because he wanted to and not because of a "reward" or evasion of a "punishment" as an end

This sorely represents the position of religious moral influence

There are many moral philosophies but to add a nudge towards comformity to these moral lines of action religion proposes a selfish end

Heaven and hell, reward and punishment.

Just like John from the analogy up there, A religiously influenced moral tilt is not fueld by selflessness as you want to argue - but rather a basic means to a selfish end "securing heaven or evading hell"

It is in fact a reluctant approach towards ethical actions that needs 'selfish' nudges in order to be exhibited.

It shows most ethical behaviours as a result of Religious influences in essense cannot be equated as selfless goodness but only a selfish means of gaining a personal goal, take away these "reward and punishment" idea and such a person's moral inclination is severed.

The religious influence of morality makes morality a coercive project - the average religious person does not do 'good' or follow the certain line of moral positions tendered by such a religion because h wants to, he does that only because he wants to Gain a paradise or escape a hell

Here is a first hand example

Here is Malvisguy who holds the idea that you need a God who'd hold you "accountable" before you try not to be a complete sicko serial killer.

A basis for morality based on such not only "selfish" ends but also 'disturbing' concepts are in themselves 'immoral'

Human ethical behaviours should be above such shallow infleunces.

2dugged:
I know the principles behind asking right and praying amiss Mr,and I have also seen Christian sisters who turned old in the church because they were waiting on the right man,mostly ladies in assemblies of God,Rccg, Lords choosen and some others too,so me own question is why are advanced spinsters common to some churches?, is it that the God of this churches choose not to answer because they are all praying amiss?, I created this thread because I have been.in deep thoughts for days about this issue, but a a fellow Christian who feels I am going the wrong path, it will be better to point me in the right direction than being sentimental about it

johnydon22:
Timothy 2 :11 -15
" A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she
must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam
was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and
became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if
they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."
.

2dugged:
I am discouraged already, there is no greater disappointment than in the place where you are supposed to feel safe and free, how can i be vigilant of cassanovas even in.the house of God

2dugged:
to you,but how many Christians that married believer are problem free, if marrying a Christian brother will not guarantee a happy home, then why should I use it as a strict criteria?, I have seen terrible marriage between Christians and between non Christians too,so why then should I have to wait and fast and pray and make the church my second resident only to be faced with the same marital problems and unbeliever will face?

shadeyinka:
No! My God doesn't put anyone in hell because of worship. We go to hell because of our choices and in extension our deeds.

Let me explain!
-God created everything as a garden for his own enjoyment.
-He made Man as a special creation not just to head his physical creations but to be His own special own (next to Him in spiritual rank)
-He gave man a Free will to choose either to be Aligned to Him and His kingdom or Antagonist.(Useful or Not Useful)
-Hell was not designed for humans: It is Gods Refuse Bin/Dump for errant Spirits( Satan, Fallen Angels, Demon..)
-Since Man is principally a Spirit: those who choose to Oppose His kingdom in Alignment with Satan are equally discarded in Gods Refuse Bin
-Since Man through Adam inherited a corrupt spiritual DNA which makes them prone to sin, God prepared a sacrificial substitute for them. For just as there are Physical laws, there are spiritual laws. (Every spirit who violates Gods instructions must be discarded!)
-Its is a choice you make to Appropriate Gods sacrifice for your Atonement

- I know you know this: John3:16

-Being Discarded in Gods Refuse Bin is what is known as : Second Death Rev21:8

-In the Spirit Rhelm unfortunately just like in Dreams, TIME doesn't EXIST.

If you bought an Expensive Self Aware and Conscious PHONE for say for N26 million naira and the Phone Blatantly say he doesn't feel like being used by YOU to make calls, text, browse etc. What will you do?
Would you not after your patience is exhausted, throw it into the refuse dump (after doing all to persuade and rectify the problem) and probably replace it with a cheap TECHNO Phone?
Would it be morally wrong for you to destroy this expensive Phone of Yours?

I guess God is using this medium to call you back home to Him: What will you loose by Aligning Yourself with Gods will? What can you loose?

If Theists are wrong, what do they loose?
BUT
If Atheists are wrong......

I am still open for further questions.

Rich4god:
An extreme xtian will tell you that your brother/sister/parent/village people are behind your downfall, therefore you should pray that they might die.(die by fire) not even repent...


Plz, face your religion and work out your salvation.... Let others be...

Confirmer:
Then why is Jesus coming back?

Silkmoth33:
As I expected his statements have become more incongruous. With each question been quite equivocal of the other.


Only two more steps to finally conclude that he is no different from an ape

Silkmoth33:
Yeah I see ur point! And it's meaningless

CrazyQuinn:
No I'm a child of God

Confirmer:
malvisguy212 how much I have missed you. Mohammed has no unfinished business here but Jesus does.

Silkmoth33:
Are you brain-dead?

Confirmer:
Muhammad(SAW) isn't coming back but Jesus (Peace be upon him) is coming back. We both believe Jesus (Peace be upon him) is coming back to clarify issues.

CrazyQuinn:
The guy deserved what he got

sportsmaster:
Glory to God

malvisguy212:
happy sunday

malvisguy212:
First Corinthians 1:20
(ESV) asks, “Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the
debater of this age? Has not God made
foolish the wisdom of the world?

This thread is not for you, you do not belong to the kingdom of God, Jesus likened people like you as dogs who eat from their master table, this teaching is beyond your knowledge. First
Corinthians 1:28–29 (ESV) goes on:

But God chose what is foolish in the
world to shame the wise; God chose
what is weak in the world to shame
the strong; God chose what is low and
despised in the world, even things
that are not, to bring to nothing
things that are, so that no human
being might boast in the presence of
God.

malvisguy212:
I see no sense in your post, what do you mean by "faith lead to the death of christians?" on many occasions, atheists have liken faith as something you have NO knowledge of, but here you are saying different thing. The christian faith is not opposed to reason and knowledge because God invite us to reason together with Him.the fact that every human has freewill and God will not override our choice, mean everyone of us is responsible for our belief. You cannot force your self to believe in lies. innately you know it lie.

malvisguy212:
Cc.Lalasticlala