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mustymatic:
So Moses is god too wow

kolajamesjnr:
Am listening...

kolajamesjnr:
And same bible says god never go back on is word
Isaiah 5:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

johnw74:
In the case od Psalm 14:1 the person is a fool mainly because he-she doesn't believe in God,
and not just because of bad behaviour.
Psalms 14:1 The fool says in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.





That's a contradiction.




Atheists are fools for not believing in God, God's inspired word says so.
Just read MizJanet's posts and see for yourself.

kestolove95:
pls giv me d verse dat preach against it

kestolove95:
evribody na thief, but na d one wey dem catch we know..if u lyk make ur brother play 4 mecca or medina,dat one concern u, if christian no like gay,why dem no make strick laws like muslims?

kestolove95:
if ur claim ar true, den u shud knw dey do it for power(political)or rituals, but christians do it for pleasure, dats y dey gt married to each oda

kestolove95:
simply,look at all d countries legalizn d act, ar dey nkankar,budhist or islamic countries?

kestolove95:
xtians ar gay

malvisguy212:
Christians often cite Psalm 14:1 as a
rebuke of atheists.However,the Hebrew
word translated "fool" doesn't have the
same connotations as the English word.
The passage actually says that we are all
foolish.

Psalm 14:1 is the verse that a lot of
Christians like to quote to atheists,
believing it is a rebuke of their atheism.
However, if we look at the entire
passage, we see a different picture:

Psalms 14:1-3: The fool says in his heart,
"There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. (2) The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. (3) All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Christians usually only quote the first
half of Psalm 14:1, as if it is a slap in the
face to atheists. Is this really a verse
against atheism?

FOOL'S CHARACTERISTIC.
The second half of verse 14:1 says "They
are corrupt, their deeds are vile." At first, you might think that the "they" are those who disbelieve in the existence of God.
However, the end of verse 14:1 says
"there is no one who does good." One
might still think that the verse is referring to atheists. However, Psalm 14:2-3 make it clear that as God looks down on all people, He can find none who are not corrupt, emphasizing it with "not even one."

The Hebrew word translated "fool" is
nâbâl, which is an adjective having the
meaning of "stupid, wicked" or "vile
person." It comes from the root verb
nâbêl, which means "to fall away,"
"figuratively to be foolish or (morally)
wicked" or "causatively to despise,
disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour." So, the
Hebrew word nâbâl refers more to bad
moral character rather than just being
stupid. He is foolish because he thinks
God will not notice his bad behavior.

WHO IS THE FOOL?
The passage makes it clear that God can
find nobody who does good or even tries to understand God's ways. From God's perspective, not one person attains His standard of moral behavior. So, God sees all of us as fools. We all like to compare our behavior to that of others. Example!! When I was still a sinners(atheists)I was morally superior to most Christians. However, I was still not measuring up to God's moral code.

HOW TO MEASURE UP.
Unless you think you can lead a perfectly moral life, God has a solution for your problem. God's solution is to allow you to trade your moral imperfection for the moral perfection of Jesus Christ. The trade is accomplished through faith in Jesus' sacrifice as payment for your sins. The offer is really generous, but will cost you your self-righteousness. No, you can't remain an atheist either. As the psalmist says, you must "seek God."

CONCLUSION
The fool says there is no God. But, he is
not foolish because he is an atheist, but
because he thinks he can get away with
bad moral behavior. Psalm 14 goes on to say that all people are corrupt and there is not even one who does good. So, God says that we are all immoral fools. It is only through faith in Jesus Christ that we He can measure up to the moral perfection required by a Holy God. So what the verse is saying is DON'T BE A FOOL AND THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN.

vedaxcool:
Repeating yourself in 10 different ways is not saying anything new.
1. read this http://www.pewforum.org/2014/12/15/most-say-religious-holiday-displays-should-be-allowed-on-public-property/#majorities-believe-christmas-story-historically-accurate
A third of Church of England clergy doubt or disbelieve in the physical Resurrection and only half are convinced of the truth of the Virgin birth, according to a new survey.
2. You see, you fall for your own folly, you are the same individual who cited a verse to sell you dubious claims, the same verse you cited 4:171 clearly repudiated all you said, tell a jewish man that the we, us, our refers to 3 god and watch whether he doesn't chase you out of his sight. Allah who revealed the verse you so desparately need to validate your claims states he is not in any godship programme.
3. I find discussing with you a big boring and unintellectual activity, so Jesus till this day reject Jesus do you accept that he is fraud? or do you pretend to be unaware the sort of invectives jews generally pour on Jesus a.s? or the fact that Jesus reitereated in the bible I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel?
4. , your interpretation of the hadith is flawed and shows you inability to do any decent research.

Satan’s touch (or his initial entry into the human possibly through the nose) while the child enters the world, could cause the medical conditions mentioned. For someone to find the Hadith to be against science, they would have to have seen Satan in person and convince others that Satan is not how he has been defined by Allah and His Messenger –peace be upon him.

so satan touch has nothing to do with sins, rather it efers to him making the child uncomfortable or harm
https://quranmisconceptions./2014/04/12/why-do-babies-cry-at-birth/

5. Here is what Allah said of all human beings;
“And when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam...all their descendants, and made them bear witness against their own souls: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! we bear witness. Lest you should say on the day of resurrection: Surely we had no knowledge of this.” (Qur’an 7:172)

They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" 17:85

the verse clearly indicates that the soul or spirit of men come into existence by the command of Allah, hence you may as well say all of mankind is the word or command of Allah but I trust these message will be lost to you somehow.


6. The Qur'an stated that Muhammad during his life time went to heaven and returned to earth, a feat performed by only him. but like my first post indicates we muslims don't make it our jobs to be comparing prophets left right and centre, rather we learn from them and seek Allah's guidance in understanding their mission.

dolphinheart:
Can someone pls give more info on the Satan touching infant issue! I want to know more!

Rilwayne001:
Okay.
Next.

malvisguy212:
To know the true christians>>> Galatians 5:22-23(NIV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self- control. Against such things there is no law.

Rilwayne001:
Okay.

So, what next?

Rilwayne001:
NO, they don't.

Yahuchazqal:
The worst thing that can happen to a man is not to ask Questions about what he sees or hears around his enviroment and people around....i will give out 5K to anybody that can tell me about the basterd jesus christ and the inbesile god?

Rilwayne001:
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger ;[other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [Chapter 5, verse 75]

Demmzy15:
e pain am sha!

plainbibletruth:
They need to 'consult' with one another and their higher authorities before they can put on any defence.

Demmzy15:
When we don't answer you a times, it doesn't mean we can't . But we refrain from doing so because of your folly!

[size=18pt]#ChristainsStopTakkiyah[/size]

Emusan:
You said someone is dishonest but you own dishonesty can't be measured.




Many centuries even before Muhammad received his message from the so called Jibril people have denied His virgin birth so to say THESE DAYS is pure dishonesty.



See how you stylishly cover the main point he raised.
That's why I have to bold his main point. If not because Muslims have been programmed the way they are, they believe Quran is the WORD (Kalimatuhu) of Allah-the very Allah owns personal WORD so it make it uncreated and existed in heaven but here Jesus is being referred to as BOTH THE WORD (Kalimatuhu) OF ALLAH and a SPIRIT PROCEEDING from Allah, how is Jesus then a created being? and this also means that Jesus existed before He was born on earth just as the way Quran exists in heaven before being revealed to Muhammad.



Actually is a concept every Muslims hold that In Islam all prophets CONSIDER to be sinless but the evidence within the Quran itself and the hadith prove it to be false.

That's why the word CONSIDER always use and this was intentionally done by the Muslims scholars to counter a situation like this.

To BE SINLESS simply means NEVER TO EVER commit any SINGLE sin but throughout Quran we see prophets ASKING FOR THE FORGIVENESS of their sin(s) i.e "Know that there is no deity but God. Implore Him to forgive your (Muhammad) sins and to forgive the true believers, men and women." S. 47:19 (N. J. Dawood's Translation)

The Quran surprisingly however, rather than affirming the sinless nature of God's messengers, actually emphasizes their need for forgiveness and cleansing from impurities! A listing of the prophets and the Suras is given below to aid in illustrating this point beyond the shadow of a doubt:

Adam and Eve S. 2:36; 7:22-23
Noah S. 11:45-47
Abraham S. 26:82
Moses S. 28:15-16
David S. 38:24-25
Solomon S. 38:34
Jonah S. 37:142; 21:87
Muhammad S. 4:102-107; 9:43; 40:55; 48:1-2; 80:1-10

That's why I wonder why whether honest Muslims truly know the meaning of SINLESS.



What of those Muslims who mock Muhammad and write fictions about him?



And then died and was buried in a grave but Jesus is still in heaven.



The reason why he used it is that THE END LIES IN JESUS' HANDS.

He is coming back again to judge the world of sin.
If Jesus is not greater than ALL THE PROPHETS why must He be the one to come AS A SIGN OF THE JUDGEMENT day and usher ISLAM WORLD WIDE-according to your believe (something Muhammad himself could not achieve)?



It's evident that Devil touches ALL THE PROPHETS including Muhammad except Jesus and His mother and you can't sit down and ask yourself, why?



Please show us how Bible conflict views on the NATURE OF JESUS Christ.

Demmzy15:
Your deception is exposed. Just like a popular yoruba proverb "afefe ti fe, ati ri furo adiye" , your cut and sew verses. [size=18pt]YOU JUST LOVE TO PRACTICE TAKKIYAH[/size]

krattoss:
that means that i dont have to worry anymore since i have been predestined by God.

So anything i do is not by my own making whether good or bad.

Wonderfull.........

Blossom023:
Mmhm the fool will always ask for proof nd blame God for everything. See he who has accepted Christ knows there is a God, because he feels the aura of good around him, even those that worship satan, forget that they brag about it they know that it is evil. REVELATION 1:3 "blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, nd blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near" most of u will say we have been waiting but nothing ..
No patience but if it was to wait for the guy supplying weed ,u will. Most of u are lazy, nd know that to serve the lord requires handwork. Why don't you accept Christ today, leave wat those hypocrites say about Christ, u see for yourself. If there is no God, there would not have been a name called God in the first place.

plaetton:
And a foolish god says there are no other gods. - logicboy03, 2013.

Demmzy15:
Why are you stubborn, upon the way he exposed your deception you still want fight?! Oremusacttus abeg give guy chilled camel piss and thick 'ogi'.

Demmzy15:
We'll see.

We need to understand this story together and I'll explain step by step!

God speaks about his covenant

This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man child among you shall be circumcised. Genesis 17:10

This shows the covenant is about 'circumcision'.

Then when we go further, God explains more

But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. Genesis 17:21

Going Further

And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. Genesis 17:23

COMMENT

I must direct your attention to verse 10 above, where God says "this is my covenant ... every man child among you shall be circumcised". In verse 23 we learn that Ishmael, who was 13 years old at that time (Yeeiii!!!) was immediately circumcised. Therefore, the Bible says -- in plain Hebrew -- that God has a covenant with Ishmael.

Isaac was not yet born!

But wait a minute. A complication enters into the picture in verse 21. Here, God says "But my covenant will I establish with Isaac".

We can't be sure if indeed this is what the Bible says except the source is revisited. Let's take a tour to the Hebrew world, a sister language to Arabic.

Genesis 17:21

V'et b'risee a-keem et Yitzchak

Translating from b'risee you'll get "my covenant will I establish with Isaac". But the problem lies when we're to translate v'et , the translators translated it as 'But', which is not true.

The Hebrew prefix "V-" (vav) is defined by Langenscheidt's Hebrew Dictionary as a conjunction, meaning "and, and therefore, also, then, yet".

So we can see deliberate mistranslation on the part of the translators. Just with the changing of this words it has totally affected the context and meaning.

"And my covenant will I establish with Isaac"...

... which has a vastly different meaning than:

"But my covenant will I establish with Isaac"...

The former translation says that there is a covenant -- perhaps even of land! -- with Ishmael, AND there is also such a covenant with Isaac.
The latter translation says that there is a covenant -- of some poorly-defined sort -- with Ishmael, BUT the "real" covenant -- especially that part involving the land -- is exclusively with Isaac!

Even if the word of God is clear and unambiguous, we can't still trust the translators. Please I want you to research on this also!

The Torah has you know has different versions which totally contradict each, they were written in totally different years with different authors. They include Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS), Septuagint (LXX), Masoretic Text (MT), Samaritan Torah(ST) all written in different eras with some earliest dating to be 9th century AD(approximately 200 years after Prophet Muhammad)

If I start listing the contradictions, no one would gerrout from here. Dem too plenty wallahi!

Ibrahim's Supplication to Allah when He brought Isma`il to Makkah
Allah mentions here, while bringing forth more evidences against Arab polytheists, that the Sacred House in Makkah was established on the worship of Allah alone, without partners. He also states that Ibrahim, who established the city, has disowned those who worship others besides Allah, and that he begged Allah to make Makkah peaceful and secure, Tafsir Ibn Kathir

vedaxcool:
You dishonesty is strange, what prevented you from quoting the verses you hinged your entire case upon? rather you resorted to foisting your opinions on verses that largely contradicted it.


Yes he was, unfortunately more Christians in christendom doubt this to be true these days.


5. He was the Messiah – Surah 4:171.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:[size=15pt] Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son.[/size] To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.


the above verse warns chritians not to commit excessess in their religion how? By deitifying Jesus the son of mary who was a messenger of God and not his son nor is he part of any sort of godship. Jesus was the messiah sent to save the Jews from their evil ways.


19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."

In Islam all prophets are considered to be sinless, furthermore in Islam every child is born sinless, as there is no such a concept as original sin, a child begins to sin when he reaches the age of culpability for his actions, that is knows what is right from wrong.


"Say: Shall I seek another than Allah for Lord, when He is Lord of all things? Each soul earneth only on its own account, nor doth any laden bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed. "– Qur’an English Translation [6:164]




3:45 O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

Alhamdulilah on this verse alone muslims have continued to hold Jesus a.s in high esteem, just as they hold other prophets of God in high esteem and send the peace and blessings of Allah upon them whenever we mention their name. Compared to some christians who unfortuntely now mock Jesus and write fictions about him.



Yes the same can be said of the Muhammed pbuh went to heaven and returned to earth.


Yes but I don't still see how these support your assertions, and here are some more verses which shows the true Jesus:

19:34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

19:91 That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.

19:92 For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.

5:116 Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."

These verses settles any of your deliberate misrepresentation of Jesus a.s



The hadith is not speaking of sins but of devil disturbing babies hence making them cry, and as I have indicated children are born sinless, and whenever a muslims sins he is required to repent and Allah forgives.


The bible appears to a disparate cacophony of ideas about a single issues ever so conflicting views on the true nature of Jesus, hence it can not be relied upon to rightly guide man.

krattoss:
and he knows where i will be going if i die?
Then why wasting time on bringing me if he actually knows my end result. Likewise everyother person in the worrld.


He knew U S would sign gay into law?

He knew of the heat waves in pakistan?

Knew of the earthquakes in haiti?

Knew of the bombings in the northeast?
And he folds his arms to watch us suffer on an experiment he knew the end result?


Nawa for this ur God oo

freecocoa:


The bible did say that, just like many other nonsense in it, that's how they keep confusing and deceiving themselves, walai the so christians are the worst kind of hypocrites there is/can be.

krattoss:
ok. Tell him i said hi.