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Rilwayne001:
So, the dude I quoted was talking trash, isn't it??

How come this holy spirit is yet to convict the catholic church or the Jehovah witness ? After all, you believe they are sinners, aren't they?

sexynabila:
my bothet i tire too...d one dat got me confused d most, was d one jesus said dt , he has not come to abolished the law of d prophet but to fulfill it...wat abt dt particular law of d prophet dat says "an eye for an eye"....but jesus instructed us dt if are been slapped we shuld turn d other side to be slapped....so dnt understnd how dis two laws fulfill each other...

kinggenesis:
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?

ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood
speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and
were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to
me.

Why the contraction?

kinggenesis:
Judas died how?

"And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief
priests...bought with them the potter's field." (MAT 27:5)

"Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

Rilwayne001:
I like this comment.

So, bros, please tell me which of the thousands of churches is been led by the holy spirit?

Its not possible for the holy spirit to be leading them to different direction, you know?

kinggenesis:
Can God be seen

EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9

God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my
backparts." (EXO 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no
man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)

kinggenesis:
Is it foolishness to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that
increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

kinggenesis:
How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for
his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses
and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he
bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

kinggenesis:
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said
unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my
Father is greater than I.

kinggenesis:
Who are the Editors? If God wrote this book, how can he be
making such enormous errors?

I don't find it funny.

War or Peace?

EXODUS 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of
whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of
age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

This contradiction has to do only with the father of Joseph, not with the father of Jesus.

mustymatic:
You realize you're not really making sense right? and all body of writings considered sacred or authoritative are Scriptures, even quran....Quran was mentioned clearly in the Quran...you have to wait for english dictionary to tell you that scriptures are bible right? How can christians believe in the bible when the "bible" was not even mentioned in the bible? how about Trinity then? I just hope that there is a mention of Christianity in the Bible

malvisguy212:
In its broadest sense, Christianity is a
religion based upon the teachings of
Jesus of Nazareth, who lived in Palestine
during the first century. However, if
Christianity is lived as merely a set of
teachings and rules to be followed, it
misses the main points that Jesus taught. First and foremost, Christianity is anchored in love, God's love for us and our response to that love.

WHY RELIGION?
Many skeptics think that religion is a
waste of time or worse. I tend to agree. I am a Christian, but I don't consider myself a particularly religious person. Christianity is much more than just religion.Someone may be thinking “I thought God invented religion!” Sorry, but God invented Man and Man invented religion.


God created Man for the express
purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that
relationship and has been trying to find
his own way by inventing religions and
cults of all kinds in an effort to replace
that void left by lack of relationship with
his Creator.

But relationship with God cannot be
found through religion. In fact, religion is the biggest roadblock to seeking a
relationship with God. Religion is simply
Man trying to reach out to God by doing
something that he thinks will please God.

“If I can do enough, say enough, pray
enough, give enough, sacrifice enough
perhaps God will show me favor”. Every
religion is based upon this “WORKS
theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy,
creeds, sacraments nor money have ever brought one soul into a reconciled
relationship to God.

TEACHING OF JESUS.
Although Jesus did not teach anything
radically different from that of the Old
Testament, He simplified the main points so that people could not escape into a pure exercise of religious ceremonies.
The Old Testament describes many laws
(both moral and ceremonial) that were to be followed by the people of God. With so many laws, people tended to become SELECTIVE, preferring to follow the easier ceremonial laws over the more difficult moral laws (Matthew 23:23). The religious ruling class was especially susceptible to selective obedience of the law, resulting in moral hypocrisy. Jesus explained that the moral commandments were not to be followed merely to the letter of the law, but also to the intent of the law. So, it was not enough to abstain from adultery, but God required that one not even look on a woman with lust (Matthew 5:27-28). Likewise, it is not enough to abstain from murder, but God requires that nobody hate another without cause, with calling another person "a fool" making one
guilty enough to suffer the judgment of
Hell (Matthew 5:21-22). So God's laws
require not only perfect performance,
but also perfect attitude and motive.
Jesus said the entire law of God could be
summarized into a mere two commands:

Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God
with all your heart and with all your soul
and with all your mind.' This is the first
and greatest commandment. And the
second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as
yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets
hang on these two
commandments." (Matthew 22:37-40)

Isaiah 1:13-14 states, “Bring no more
vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons
and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies… it is iniquity…Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.”

David prays to God in Psalm 40:6,
“Sacrifice and offering thou didst not
desire;…Burnt offering and sin offering
hast thou not required.”

Amos 5:21 says, “I hate, I despise your
feast days, and I will not smell (the odors of their sacrifices) in your solemn
assemblies.”

Micah 6:6-8 includes; “Wherewith shall I
come before the Lord and bow myself
before the high God? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? Will the lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.”

And there it is: “Humble yourselves in
the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.” James 4:10.

You see, the Israelites (Jews) of the Old
Testament had forgotten the relationship with God and became dependent upon the religious system of works and sacrifice and offerings expecting spiritual redemption or to appease God. But in these passages we see God Himself saying, “I don’t care how you shake and dance, I’m not interested in your religious activities, I want your heart.” In fact that is exactly what He expresses here in Isaiah 29:13,

“ Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me …”(Jesus quoted this passage in Matt. 15:8-9 adding “…in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men .”)
Imagine a pyramid which represents
religion. The base is guilt, upon which is
laid fear. Religion uses guilt and fear to
incite works to appease which when
applied results in pride.

SO, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES THAT
DEFINED THE CHRISTIANS EXPERIENCE IS LOVE;
love of God and love of our fellow
human beings. So, a person who merely
loves his fellow man is only fulfilling half of the law, and is neglecting what Jesus said was the most important part loving God.

malvisguy212:
Luke 10:29-37 (emphasis added by
me)

…so he asked Jesus, “And who is my
neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A GAY man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away,
leaving him half dead. 31 A CHRISTIAN priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a (BORN AGAIN BELIEVER) Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But an ATHEIST, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the GAY man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after
him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The
one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”


I think we have missed our opportunity
to love our neighbors. And I believe that
atheists namely have taken the place
where Christians should have been in
the first place.
May be some of us doesent hate gay.Sure. But do you love them as much as you love yourself? You say I do not hate them but you do not help them either. The same way you may help a fellow in your church who has a habit of lying.

Being Gay is sinful,YES.Well, newsflash! so is lying, cheating, cursing, arrogance, drinking, wrathful, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, envy, murder, deceit,
malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents, being without natural affection,implacable, unmerciful.

I think some Christians have become too much holy to realize their error. When the gay community was bashed or persecuted they stood on the side rails and watched in silence. They could have helped but they didn’t because being Gay was unacceptable to them. They fulfill the part of the priest in the above parable.

And some of the Christians who really
felt like they should have helped but
didn’t are equally wrong because they
mistook grace as legalism in the dogmatic form. They are the Levis’ – the chosen people of God, the born again believers, who looked on the poor gay but then turned their heads and walked on.

And finally the atheist stood up and got
the gay person some help. Well, I
certainly applaud them on this.

Bottom line. Gays are there, if we do not help them, someone will but we would be directly opposing the spirit of love and grace if we didn’t. Regardless of whether you believe homosexuality is a sin or not, remember this, if it is a sin, it is no greater than any other sin, it is certainly not the UNPARDONABLE sin.

Matthew 26:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment…?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your (GAY) neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Happy Sunday.

malvisguy212:
Genesis 5
Genesis 5 contains the genealogy of Adam to Noah (Excluding Shem, Ham, and Japheth). This contains Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch,
Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah. If you look at the meaning of those names
Adam - Man (Note: First man)
Seth - Appointed (Note: Israel descends from him)
Enos - Mortal
Cainan - Sorrow
Mahlaleel - The blessed God
Jared - Shall come down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah - His death shall bring
(Note:Methuselah died in the same year the flood happened)
Lamech - The despairing
Noah - Rest/Comfort (Note: "Rest"is often tied to Salvation in the Bible)

Put that together: Man appointed
moral sorrow. The blessed God
shall came down teaching his
death shall bring the despairing
comfort/rest.
Meaning, man is bound to be
mortal and have sorrow, and God
will come down teaching people
his death will bring the sorrowful
salvation (See what I said about
Noah).
Genesis 22:
22:1-2 - "And it came to pass after
these things, that God did tempt
Abraham, and said unto him,
Abraham: and he said, Behold,
here I am. And he said, Take now
thy son, thine only son Isaac,
whom thou lovest, and get thee
into the land of Moriah; and offer
him there for a burnt offering
upon one of the mountains which I
will tell thee of."
1) It's not that Isaac was his only
Son, but he was the son of God's
covenant, and was the only Son
with Abraham at the time.
Anyways, Abraham is going to give
up his "only" Son . It's in the same
way Adam was the "son of God",
but Jesus was the only "Begotten"
Son of God.
2) Moriah is where Jerusalem was
in the future.
Part of verse 3 - "And Abraham
rose up early in the morning, and
saddled his ass"
When Jesus entered Jerusalem
(Again, Moriah is where Jerusalem
was to be), he was riding an Ass/
Donkey.
Verse 4 - "Then on the third day
Abraham lifted up his eyes, and
saw the place afar off."
Jesus died in Jerusalem (Moriah),
and rose the third day.
Verse 5 - "And Abraham said unto
his young men, Abide ye here with
the ass; and I and the lad will go
yonder and worship, and come
again to you."
Abraham, knowing full well what
he was going to do to Isaac,
implied that he was going to come
back with Isaac. He was either
lying (He was a godly man, though)
, wasn't actually going to do it
(Obviously not true, look at verse
10), or thought he was going to rise
from the dead (Like Jesus actually
did, in the same area Abraham
was at at the time)
Verse 8 - "And Abraham said, My
son, God will provide himself a
lamb for a burnt offering: so they
went both of them together."
Jesus is the Lamb of God.
http://www.christianforumsite.com/threads/the-gospel-in-genesis.40634/

mustymatic:
A number of Christians wouldn't agree with you my brother..
Even the term "Bible" is not found in the Bible. "Trinity" is another such term.

An2elect2:
Romans 9:11-16 King James Version
(KJV)
(For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that
the purpose of God according to election
might stand, not of works, but of him that
calleth
It was said unto her, The elder shall
serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but
Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there
unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy
on whom I will have mercy, and I will have
compassion on whom I will have
compassion.
[bSo then it is not of him that willeth, nor
of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth
mercy.[/b]

We who are believers know men do not produce the faith that is wrought in our hearts unto salvation
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing
by the word of God.

Ubenedictus:
this is YOUR interpretation of what they said not what they said. The bolded words have only been used by you.

it seems you are cherrypicking scriptures. Sorry to say but the death of Christ was a covenantal death, you have to accept a covenant if not you are not part of it.
You have a wierd idea of salvation. It reeks Calvin.


go back and check your bible
the bible actually says
"God wish all men to be saved" it is possible becos d bible says so.



hehehe,
the election you teach does not come from scriptures it comes from Calvin.

Secondly faith itself is also not a human doing, it is a gift, a grace.

Confirmer:
Please kindly give me an explicit verse in the bible where God didn't recognise Ishmael as Abraham's son or where God didn't sanction Abraham union with Hagar. In Genesis 16:15 Ishmael was explicit recognised as Abraham's son "And Hagar bare Abram a SON:and Abram called his SON's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael".
Kindly stay on the bible where you have some knowledge because Ismael is well recognised in the Quran along with Isiaq. We make no distinction between the prophets of Allah.

Confirmer:
I don't want to get into a lengthy debate cos I'm too lazy to type long epistles. You said "Thou shalt not murder" (exodus 20:30) yet God sanctioned and commanded the killing of EVERY SINGLE CREATION FROM HUMANS AND ANIMALS (Deuteronomy 20:16) (Samuel 15:2-4). Let me even ask an innocent question, CAN A CHRISTIAN WORK ON SATURDAY OR NOT?
The Ruhu LiQudus (Holy Spirit/ Gabriel) was not exclusive to Jesus but he helped other prophets of Allah.

mistabiola:
While it is true that most Christians TODAY do not worship
Mary, but MANY heretical Christians THROUGHOUT
HISTORY HAD DONE SO.

Regarding Sura 5 Verse 116 :
"And behold! Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst
thou say unto men, Take me and my mother for two gods
beside Allah? He will say: Glory to Thee! Never could I say
what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou
wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my
heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden."

The above question will be put to Jesus(peace be upon him)on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT. And the purpose of Sura 5 Verse 116 is to answer ALL the Christians THROUGHOUT
the entire history of Christianity.
Let us not forget that ALL mankind since the beginning of
time will be resurrected on the Day of Judgement. Therefore it is only logical to answer the dilemma faced, not only by the Christians in our present era but by all Christians throughout the history of Christianity.

Let us also not forget that Christianity has never been a
united religion and will never be. On the contrary, it has
always been a totally divided religion. Just read the history
of Christianity and you will know.
What one Church teaches is significantly different from
what another Church teaches.

That is why Sura 5 Verse 116 states :

"And behold ... Didst thou say unto men, Take me( to
answer all the Christians throughout history ) and my
mother ( to answer those Christians in history who
worshipped Mary )for two gods beside Allah?"
I hope the points I just made above will put to rest once and for all the Christian accusation that our Holy Qur'an
mistakes Mary as part of the Trinity.

johnydon22:
It was John carry on tho...lol

MizJanet:
This fairytale is getting interesting , so Satan works for God ?

Your god creates hell to torture his imperfect children , then appoints satan as C.E.O

Am suprised you still belive in this fiction

rajwas:
You must be mentally sick.

MizJanet:
As a loving parent , Can you torture your child with a HOT IRON ?

Confirmer:
so you are relying on the Quran now. You want me to school you on that? Despite the fact that Ismael was sent away, did he cease to be Abraham son? I quoted a verse earlier where he partook in Abraham's burial and he was referred to has Abraham son.
In the Quran as well, Isaac hasn't been born before Abraham was tried. It was after he passed the trial that Abraham was blessed further with a righteous son.

Confirmer:
so Jesus didn't convince them with his miracles? They saw the truth and rejected it or they didn't see anything. If Jesus was unable to convince them that he was the Messiah (according to your logic) then the Jew are not at fault.

Confirmer:
You still don't get the logic here. Why do you have the new tastament when there is an old testament? The new testament abrogates laws in the old testament and clearly define a new law. Example The eye for an eye in the old testament has been abrogated by the new law in the new testament. So the law in the old testament became null and void and of no effect at all. The Quran abrogates the gospel and the gospel is rendered null.
On the issue of holy ghost, “And We gave ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]

[al-Baqarah 2:87]
“Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]”[al-Baqarah 2:253]

Confirmer:
All these circumstantial evidence you are trying to conjure shouldn't supersede a crystal clear evidence that Ishmael is Abraham first child and should have the status of THINE ONLY CHILD. The test was if he would be willing to sacrifice his only son. The test would be defeated if he had another son somewhere. Mind you God wasn't testing Sarah but Abraham so don't involve her. I seriously don't know how you put up your defence to this explicit fact.