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krattoss:
This marvis of a guy, w no go hear word for u?
The way u carry God matter for head makes me think u re been paid.

vedaxcool:
^
See above and act accordingly.

johnydon22:
Lmao. . Jesus read from the book of Isaiah. . this is just like saying because malvisguy reads the book of job he is fulfilling it.

Isaiah clearly stated "The spirit of god is upon "me" he did not say "him". . . so it is very clear isaiah was referring to himself when he made that statement hundreds of years before jesus. . anyway whatever more meaning you add to that is now your business. . .I have just corrected your assertion of jesus being the only prophet to say " the spirit of god is upon me". . am done

malvisguy212:
Surah 5:Verse 116, And behold!
Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary!
Didst thou say unto men, "WORSHIP ME
AND MY MOTHER as gods in derogation
of Allah?" He (Jesus) will say, [ a ]"Glory
to thee! Never could I say what I had
no right (to say)... [ b ] (Jesus speaks)
Thou knowest what is in my heart
though I know not what is in thine..."
Verse 118, (Regarding how God should
deal with Christians, Jesus is supposed to have said) [ c ] "If thou dost punish
them, they are thy servants: If thou
dost forgive them, thou art the exalted
in power and wise."

Jesus NEVER FOR ONCE told anyone to
worship Mary, nor did the early church
do so. Not even peter when Jesus say on
the cross "behold thy mother" make
reference to Mary in his epistle in
regards to worshiping Mary infacte, Paul, James ,Timothy, and the rest apostles do not even made mention of Mary in there epistles, where do muhammed get the idea that christians worship Mary ?
And in surah 5:118. It says:
"If thou dost punish them, they are thy
servants: If thou dost forgive them, thou
art the exalted in power and wise."

Jesus would not teach that God could
forgive those who add to, or take away
from, his Word, when we read that God
had already condemned them in
Revelation 22. Muhammed has Jesus
saying, in Al Koran, Sura 5:118 "If thou
dost forgive them, thou art the exalted
in power and wise." God will not forgive
those who add to, or take away from, his Word. Muhammed then must have
added verse 118 out of his fertile
imagination, or perhaps he was trying to
cover for himself in the future judgment.

menesheh:
am talking about the god of the bible. i didn't quote qua-ran.

vedaxcool:
A silly op at best and grotesque reasoning at worst. All your claims about the divinity of Jesus has been shown to be fasle and lies told by the bible against jesus. Muslims don't ddiscriminate against prophets of God and hold all of them in high esteem.

johnydon22:
Yes bro

Isaiah 61:1 (New international Version)
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has
anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind
up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release
from darkness for the prisoners


Isaiah 61:1(King James Bible)
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed
me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the
brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the
prison to them that are bound;

menesheh:
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Isaiah 57:15 talks about god yesterday, today and eternity.

If god was wrong yesterday and decided to correct the bad concepts he laid down in the old testament and still said that the law will serve you from now (then) to eternity which jesus assented in the new testament.
That makes god inconsistent, malevolent and imperfect.

Mind you, researching answers online, then copy and paste links here on NL makes you ignorant and naive to the concept you are defending.

johnydon22:
Isaiah did first

VorkalthDigby:
The ever ignorant malvis, can you just shut up? Compare Moses to Jesus in the same manner you compared Muhammad (pbuh) to Jesus, is that too much too ask. "Moses Isaac are a type of Christ", is that what I asked you? How does that post even make sense. Ever blind, ever ignorant!

menesheh:
That means they are believing the wrong god right?

BOLDED
Now same thing happened in the bible where god himself commanded you as living being to kill directly and even wipe out all living thing both children of 1 or 2 yrs old who know no sin. A loving god indeed.

Romans 1:24-32
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Leviticus 20:13
Exodus 21:15
Chronicles 15:12-13
Zechariah 13:3
Deuteronomy 22:20-21


Now tell me the difference between you and the Muslims. They are even more proactive obeying their gods command and carrying out his command than you who out of sympathy, empathy, objectivity rejected your god and his commands and are here in Nairaland ranting nonsensical arguments.

There are so many things you don't know and same with me but on the process it don't be arrogant.

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

VorkalthDigby:
Hmm. Can we then please see a comparison between Moses and Jesus. Thanks

bilalfarid:
OP u dnt just copy somthing from another website and paste here on NL for discussion, even my 15 year old Lil brother would give a satisfying answer to wat ur so called MATT Slick holds unto as d reason y jesus is gr8ter dan Muhammad (saw).
magnitude of miracles can no be used as a standard to judge which prophet is greater. The bible even mentioned other miracles by other prophets which where gr8ter than that of Jesus, examples below:
Jesus (ﷺ) fed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread

Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (2 Kings 4:44); granted a widow such an abundant flow of oil from a jar that she was able to pay off her debts, save her sons from slavery, and live on the profits (2 Kings 4:1-7); and gave increase to a handful of flour and spot of oil such that he, a widow and her son had enough to eat for many days, after which "The bin of flour was not used up, nor did the jar of oil run dry". (1 Kings 17:10-16).

B. Jesus (ﷺ) healed the lepers

Elisha healed Naaman (2 Kings 5:7-14); for that matter, the disciples were bidden to such service in Matthew 10:8.

C. Jesus (ﷺ) cured a blind man

Elisha not only struck his enemies blind, but restored vision to the blind through prayer (2 Kings 6:17-20).

D. Jesus (ﷺ) raised the dead

Moses put life into a dead stick and transmuted it from the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom by making it into a serpent (Exodus 7:10)

Elisha raised two children from the dead (1 Kings 17:22; 2 Kings 4:34)

Elisha's bones brought a man back to life merely by coming into contact with the corpse (2 Kings 13:21)

The disciples were bidden to raise the dead (Matthew 10:

E. Jesus (ﷺ) walked on water

Moses (ﷺ) parted the sea.

F. Jesus (ﷺ) cast out devils

So did his disciples (Matthew 10: and the sons of the Pharisees (Matthew 12:27; Luke 11:19).
So OP disregard matt slick's write ups. If magnitude of miracles determine a prophets gr8tnes the jesus won't be head of when they talk of miracles.
NOTE: according to the bible. dis raises another uestion of the bible inaccuracy.

VorkalthDigby:
Hmmm! At first I didn't support it, but now I do. Now, which would I prefer, we could hang them, or we could go the old fashioned way and bludgeon them to death, I haven't decided which I prefer, but guess what, they must die! You actually think you and your worthless campaign can stop us? You actually think we care? Loooool! Screw you all! You don't tell us what to do, know your place! Hmmm....maybe we should burn them alive. Friggin christians and atheists, next thing you know they try to bring faggotry to us, too impressionable, you are.

menesheh:
are they sinners by believing their gods commands?

johnydon22:
Neither who you regard a sinner nor who you regard saint, none of them has any right to take anybody's life. . .

menesheh:
since they are Muslims, do you support the sentence?

johnydon22:
Whether they are muslims or christians doesn't change the fact that they are humans and it is still wrong to take a human's life.

I think you made a statement based on your feelings towards christianity, if christian casualties were involved, violence will only bring more casualties and therefore will make matters worse and not solve it.

I think the most important thing is to condemn that it is wrong without minding whether people with the same religious affiliation as you are involved or not. . . And let us hope the government heeds the cry of we Nigerians and save these poor people that have done nothing to deserve death

Rilwayne001:
OLAADEGBU, this is a very flaw comparison.

I don't expect anything more than that from you. Afterall, gotquestion, answeringgenesis and carm.org are you scriptures and at the same time your thinking cap, anything outside them is a no for you. SMH.

Demmzy15:
No one is arguing based on that, my position is that Ishmael got his share because he was the FIRSTBORN and also a seed of Abraham.

No need to mention all this nations, we're talking about Ishmael and Isaac in which God placed emphasis on!

God promises to establish his covenant with all of Abraham's "seed" without exception:

"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.."
Genesis 17:7-8.

God now informs Abraham that his covenant shall be given through circumcision, so Abraham immediately circumcises himself and Ishmael, the father of the Arabs (Genesis 17:23), thus establishing God's covenant with Ishmael. I gave you an example of someone who says: "I love my parents" and then a few days later says "I love my mother." Does this mean that he does not love his father? After Ishmael fulfilled the covenant when Isaac wasn't even born, God then told him to fulfill it also with Isaac since he's a seed too!

Demmzy15:
"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We took a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael that they should purify My House (the Kaaba) for those who compass it round, devote themselves (to worship) in it, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)." (Quran 2:125)

The station in which Abraham stood to build the Kaaba is know as 'Maqam Ibrahim' which is still visible in Saudi Arabia!

Demmzy15:
Yes! Covenant established and fulfilled!

Lie!! Now you Christians run to the Qur’an, I thought you said it was a fabricated book?! Smh. Read all my replies with Scholar8200, I've explained then we'll.

Of course the Bible wants us to believe it's all about Isaac when in fact it contradicts and shows otherwise. I'm not surprised!

The verse you quoted shows nothing as such. We Muslims believe in Isaac and in fact you're not a complete Muslim if you don't believe in Isaac. Most Prophets were from the progeny of Isaac with one from Ishmael. The covenant was fulfilled with the seed of Abraham which is Ishmael(FIRSTBORN).

Of course, if you use this criteria it applies to both of them!

Maybe God mentioned Ishmael no one knows because of how men have tampered with the Bible, Jews in Arabia said the truth about the covenant. An example is when God said "sacrifice thy only son Isaac" do you honestly think we're fools. Isaac was never the only son of Abraham, but Ishmael. This is another deliberate interpolation by the scribes and don't know where more still exist. Even this issue at ground, I can't completely win this argument because surely there are still more interpolation which would suite you all.

Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) never claimed to be a progeny of Isaac but Ishmael, so this is why I say it applies to Ishmael!

johnydon22:
The first ideal question is;
Why does a perfect god that is allegedly loving and kind still require his followers to go through the suffering routine of mutilating themselves and inflicting suffering on themselves by starving themselves?

DravenCreighton:
Quran 5:17

Sahih International: They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.

Quran 4:41-42 "How then if We brought From each People a witness, And We (Allah) brought thee As a witness against These People. On that day those who reject faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth Were made one with them: But never will they hide A single fact from Allah !"

Demmzy15:
God's covenant was 'circumcision' and this was done to Ishmael and other men in the household of Abraham, many years before Isaac was even born!

"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you."
Genesis 17:10-11

So Abraham immediately circumcises himself and Ishmael, the father of the Arabs (Genesis 17:23), thus establishing God's covenant with Ishmael.

You should know that this covenant was applied to Isaac but it was fulfilled through Ishmael!

malvisguy212:
concerning the corruption. I copy this questions I ask your muslim fellow who did not reply me uptil today, now answer it and see were you will land;

so were is the original torah ,injil ? Allah
continuously making reference to this
book indicate this books is in circulation
during that time, it is impossible for this
books to vanish just like that without a
copy, don't you think? Now answer the
following question and see were it will
land you, if you sincerely answer it, you
will discovered soo many lies:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it before islam,
during Muhammad's time of after him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
corrupted to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
I put it to you the Bible is the Torah and
Injeel put in one Book.

kheart:
I never posited that d entire bible is corrupt but some part of it for eg how can u explain to me that kj that has 66 books is compltely d same with d catholic version dat has 73 books?

I delibrately start using bible as refrence because u don't beliv in quran bt since u ask I ll use both hence forth. What was d question again bro?

kheart:
I never posited that d entire bible is corrupt but some part of it for eg how can u explain to me that kj that has 66 books is compltely d same with d catholic version dat has 73 books?

I delibrately start using bible as refrence because u don't beliv in quran bt since u ask I ll use both hence forth. What was d question again bro?