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johnydon22:
[size=20] He[/size] So its a male?

Stankoko:
Just trying to raise questions here . I need constructed emphasis and not bickering.

Rilwayne001:
He was banned by antispammbot on the religion section i think, anti-spambot can only ban someone from commenting on a particular section and not on NL as a whole. Are you new here?



Stop asking questions like a primary 3 student, read the thread and stop been ignorant.



Are you an atheist? agnostic?

Rilwayne001:
You should browse the thread, I would have love to add more to them but its like you are not ready for a reasonable debate just like the other robots on this thread.



Agreed

[quot Uthman had as much right as anyone to compile a holy book.

Yes, but anyone who is not an eye witness does'nt have the right to compile an holy book because definitely their will always be the mixture of truth, fabrication, fables, tales, hearsay and above all it will be inconsistent I have shown you up there about the Quran "…… Anyhow when I finished writing,he would say, 'Read!' and I would read it back to him. If there was an omission or error he used to correct it and then let it be brought before the people." Mu'jam Al-Tabarani Al-Awst, Hadith 1913. Dar al-Haramain, Cairo, 1415 AH I see no reason why you should quote me to display such ignorance again. The writer of mattew, Luke, John, Mark, are either not an eye witness or they are anonymous **refer back to empiree points about them in page (1) *** hence, the reason for its contradictions and inconsistencies or you want to claim otherwise? Aside that, these writer were not the compiler of the bible. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century about 400years after Jesus. Costantine who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

After all, people reject Ali (according to Lagoshia)as a companion. I did my research after Empiree was playing me "wayo" with islam.

Irrelevant.

blueyedgeek:
hehehehe, and what do you call the God that says there is no other God but me? A greater fool I tell you.

Empiree:
Qur'an was revealed by Allah (God) to prophet muhammad (peace be upon him ) through Angel gabriel (peace be upon him). Word for word

Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims." (Quran 16:102)



^"We will show them Our signs in the universe and within their own beings until it will become manifest to them that it is the truth." (41:53)

Empiree:
This is irrelevant. Conversation here is about revelation to prophets by God. You digressing the issue here.

Empiree:
I may have to give up on you but i will give you second chance. Before i return here, kindly answer this question pending my return: Do you think that when God says He "sent down" or "revealed" Holy Books, it means God throws the Books from heaven and his prophets catch them?

PastorKun:
This is an extremely very daft question which betrays a lot of ignorance and warped thinking. Is this what islamic thinking does to people's brains

Empiree:
Dont get nervous. I understand the pressure after you got busted Now let me ask you this. Did you act in the movie called "I Robot"?. The reason I asked is because you keep repeating yourself like a machine. If you remember quiet alright not too long ago, I refuted your claim "that Quran asks muslims to ask christians if we dont know". Actually, I will try to dig it out and repost it here later on cus you vexing me right now.

Also, if you scroll up or to previous page, I even quoted hadith about this same thing how our prophet warned muslims from believing things from your Book beause you have altered your Book. I do like to be patient with you though bcuz we never know if Allah will soften your heart to be able to comprehend.

Fact is, it's onus on you to produce "original" Gospel thought by Jesus ( Allah's peace and Blessings be upon him). The problem doesnt lie with me but you. I have explained very clearly in the essay above. Plus you saw my replies to pastorkun. When i asked him of original Bible, he said it can be found at the vatican Now, he said Jesus never read Gospel. I am sure you read his reply on that thread cuz I saw you but you didnt say anything.

Now you have 3 options.

* Go to vatican and scan us "original Gospel"

*Present us what you think is original Gospel of Jesus (we already know that NT that you have written by Mat Mk Lk Jn) are bogus

*Or embrace Islam as final solution to your dilemma

Empiree:
This thread is more appropriate for this discussion. I posted a long essay detailing how bible was written and so fourth. I am really tired of repeating myself. If you had read the essay it answered your questions. Or at least most part. If you havent then, read it and post reasonable question as clear as possible. rilwayne is answring same question indirectly here but u dont get it. You answer the question yourself too in this quote.

Empiree:
Answer what exactly?. I dont get you after several clue given to you. Well, muslims have begin to ignore you basically cuz either you dont read btw the lines or you just being plain ignorant.

Empiree:
You still wasting your time with me my friend. You are just like a robot repeating yourself. I can remember answering the first question probably over a week again. Some also cleared up some of your questions. Since you are not satified or pretend you dont see them, then ask pastorkun. I just talked to him about an hour ago. He said original Bible read by Jesus is at the vatican. So this solves your problem.

The only thing you need is visa and plane ticket to the vatican. Your pope is friendly, he should be able to help you out. And in my post on rilwayne's, I clearly explained your book was written after Jesus. No records show that his people recorded anything in his lifetime until decades and centuries after he ascended. These are known fact. And besides, you really need to get your act together cuz i dont have time with multiple questions at a time.

Rilwayne001:
Can you say the same bolded for the first 5books if the OT attributed to moses?



And I asked was jesus preaching what mark mattew PAUL and co wrote when he said Mark 1:14-15 The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel’"




Including the contradictions and inconsistencies in it?




There are 2problems here^^:

1. If jesus spoke the word his father gave him as his gospel, then why do we have the words of Paul, mattew mark luke and john as the gospel of jesus today?

2. Christian claim jesus is the word of God, how do you reconcile that with the underlined? can a word be given a word




And i asked, what is the good news that jesus preached? atleast you have affirmed that he didnt preach about himself contrary to your firsr claim on this thread.



Malvisguy, you've just contradicted yourself here^^

Here is your first claim.


If the gospel according to Mark Mattew paul and co, then what gospel was jesus preaching in Mark 1:14-15.?

johnydon22:
Hhmmmmpf am still wondering which is arrogance..

The one that says This assertions are implausible, i dont believe it unless you give me proof

or the one that says

Either believe me or burn in hell forever

Its clear bro ..

Empiree:
Then provide it or SHUT UP FOR GOOD

Empiree:
melvis? the guy is sick. He thought when God says He revealed Holy Books to Hie messangers it means God drops the Book from the sky and His messangers catch it

johnydon22:
Which society is dominated by atheists? this one?
Are you sure this guy is on planet earth or jupiter

[size=20] 2billion christians, 1.8billion muslims, 800million hindus.. mmmmhmmm
with the world now? y'all are doing one hell of a job tho [/size]

johnydon22:
Then how did you get convinced about this your own God (yahweh) from a book?

Christians are far more likely than
atheists to be part of groups that work
hard to instill values about being good to other people, and having good
relationships. The teachings of the Bible
emphasize values such as honesty, love,
forgiveness, patience, and generosity.
Many of these values are not emphasized in social circles dominated
by atheists.

2billion christians, 1.8billion muslims, 800million hindus.. mmmmhmmm with the world now? y'all are doing one hell of a job