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 Christianity Etc › Re: A Touching And Amazing Testimony Of An Ex Muslim (MUST READ) by malvisguy212: 10:07pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
YourMain:religion does not defined a relationship with God.Someone may be thinking “I thought God invented religion!” Sorry, but God invented Man and Man invented religion. From the time we are born we learn that the family relationship provides security and safety and unconditional love. (That is why we christians call God the “FATHER”). This is why Jesus is called the “BRIDGROOM” and the “Church” (don’t get ahead of me, just keep reading!), which is the entire congregation or number of believers, is called the “BRIDE of CHRIST”. God created Man for the express purpose of mutual relationship with him, but gave Man the power of choice and free will. Man chose to break that relationship and has been trying to find his own way by inventing religions and cults of all kinds in an effort to replace that void left by lack of relationship with his Creator. Jesus said “Come unto me… and I will give you rest.” (Matt. 11:28) Religion can’t save you; only relationship and that comes through humility and repentance. Christ says in John 10:9 “I am the door: by me if any man enter in he shall be saved…” Guilt is the natural state of Mankind. We are all guilty before God. This leads to fear of all kinds. Fear of being found out. Fear of failure. Fear of change. Fear of the opinion of others. But doing something good (works) will notchange the fact you are guilty. The only cure is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ who took upon Himself my guilt and fear. I tell you the truth,God hate religion.thank you and remain blessed. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 3:46pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Empiree:you will never understand this unless the holy spirit teach you. Jesus has two nature,the apostle peter was teaching the nature of the son the context of that chapter was; Peter Speaks in Solomon's Colonnade ,he preach how sinful the people were, they prefers A criminal over the righteous one (Jesus) to let them understand ,he concentrate on the nature of the flesh in the person of christ Jesus. It will not make sense to them if peter preach about the Godly nature of Jesus because the Jews do not believe in Jesus. To make you understand read the book of isaiah; ◄ Isaiah 42:1 ► "Here is my SERVANT, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put MY SPIRIT on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. Isaiah prophesied about the servant, that is Jesus and the spirit of God was on him. The flesh of Jesus does not matter, what matter the most is the spirit of God that was upon him.non other prophet has ever claimed to possess the spirit of God, the all have the nature of Godliness,here is the fulfil of isaiah prophecy; Matthew12:17-18. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 18 “Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. Here,matthew and isaiah called him servant,they show more emphasis on his nature of the flesh.if you read the whole matthew chapter 12 you will find out that Jesus don't want them to know his identity,why? Because his time is not yet come. |
| Politics › Re: Former Chief Justice’s Son Joins Terrorist Group ISIS by malvisguy212: 12:03am On Mar 05, 2015 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:43pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Empiree:provide verse from the quran that say the bible is corrupted instead you quote the hadith. Ephesians 4:29-32 (Eph 4:29-32 NASB) Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. And be kind to one another, tender- hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Did you catch that?THE WORD OF GOD IS SEALED IN OUR HEART You can actually "grieve the Holy Spirit of God." What, exactly, is Paul, while being led by the Holy Spirit of God, talking about? First of all, look at what the Holy spirit of God has done for us. He has "sealed" us "for the day of redemption." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:34pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Empiree. Rilwayn say the men that wrote the hadith are not eyewitness, so it not a reliable evidence that the bible is corrupted. The 66 book and the rest you paste are nothing but division in doctrine .did you read my post on the book of job? What about the manuscript of the quran? There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. There is not a single quranic manuscript yet you guys will claimed the bible which exist a thousands original manuscripts is 'corrupt" Printing greatly aided the transmission of the biblical texts. 1456 A.D. Gutenberg produced the first printed Bible in Latin. Printing revolutionized the way books were made. From now on books could be published in great numbers and at a lower cost. 1514 A.D. The Greek New Testament was printed for the first time by Erasmus. He based his Greek New Testament from only five Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dated only as far back as the twelfth century. With minor revisions, Erasmus' Greek New Testament came to be known as the Textus Receptus or the "received texts." 1522 A. D. Polyglot Bible was published. The Old Testament was in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin and the New Testament in Latin and Greek. Erasmus used the Polyglot to revise later editions of his New Testament. Tyndale made use of the Polyglot in his translation on the Old Testament into English which he did not complete because he was martyred in 1534. 1611 A.D. The King James Version into English from the original Hebrew and Greek. The King James translators of the New Testament used the Textus Receptus as the basis for their translations. 1968 A.D. The United Bible Societies 4th Edition of the Greek New Testament . This Greek New Testament made use of the oldest Greek manuscripts which date from 175 A.D. This was the Greek New Testament text from which the NASV and the NIV were translated. 1971 A.D. The New American Standard Version (NASV) was published. It makes use of the wealth of much older Hebrew and Greek manuscripts now available that weren't available at the time of the translation of the KJV. Its wording and sentence structure closely follow the Greek in more of a word for word style. 1983 A.D. The New International Version (NIV) was published. It also made use of the oldest manuscript evidence. It is more of a "thought-for- thought" translation and reads more easily than the NASV. As an example of the contrast between word-for-word and thought-for-thought translations, notice below the translation of the Greek word "hagios-holy" NASV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood not his own." NIV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own." The NIV supplies "understood" information about the Day of Atonement, namely that the high priest's duties took place in the compartment of the temple known specifically as the Most Holy Place. Note that the NASV simply says "holy place" reflecting the more literal translation of "hagios." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:26pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Empiree. Rilwayn say the men that wrote the hadith are not eyewitness, so it not a reliable evidence that the bible is corrupted. The 66 book and the rest you paste are nothing but division in doctrine .did you read my post on the book of job? What about the manuscript of the quran? There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. Printing greatly aided the transmission of the biblical texts. 1456 A.D. Gutenberg produced the first printed Bible in Latin. Printing revolutionized the way books were made. From now on books could be published in great numbers and at a lower cost. 1514 A.D. The Greek New Testament was printed for the first time by Erasmus. He based his Greek New Testament from only five Greek manuscripts, the oldest of which dated only as far back as the twelfth century. With minor revisions, Erasmus' Greek New Testament came to be known as the Textus Receptus or the "received texts." 1522 A. D. Polyglot Bible was published. The Old Testament was in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin and the New Testament in Latin and Greek. Erasmus used the Polyglot to revise later editions of his New Testament. Tyndale made use of the Polyglot in his translation on the Old Testament into English which he did not complete because he was martyred in 1534. 1611 A.D. The King James Version into English from the original Hebrew and Greek. The King James translators of the New Testament used the Textus Receptus as the basis for their translations. 1968 A.D. The United Bible Societies 4th Edition of the Greek New Testament . This Greek New Testament made use of the oldest Greek manuscripts which date from 175 A.D. This was the Greek New Testament text from which the NASV and the NIV were translated. 1971 A.D. The New American Standard Version (NASV) was published. It makes use of the wealth of much older Hebrew and Greek manuscripts now available that weren't available at the time of the translation of the KJV. Its wording and sentence structure closely follow the Greek in more of a word for word style. 1983 A.D. The New International Version (NIV) was published. It also made use of the oldest manuscript evidence. It is more of a "thought-for- thought" translation and reads more easily than the NASV. As an example of the contrast between word-for-word and thought-for-thought translations, notice below the translation of the Greek word "hagios-holy" NASV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood not his own." NIV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own." The NIV supplies "understood" information about the Day of Atonement, namely that the high priest's duties took place in the compartment of the temple known specifically as the Most Holy Place. Note that the NASV simply says "holy place" reflecting the more literal translation of "hagios." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:45pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:38pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:I ask you a question first which you cannot answer and now you want me to answer you? You want me to list there name? Seriously? The Bible was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by over 40 different authors from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Despite these differences in occupation and the span of years it took to write it, the Bible is an extremely cohesive and unified book. In the book of job a spirit appeared to job called Himself God, and he ask job series of question.amoung the question is this one; Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the SPRING OF THE SEA? or hast thou WALK in the search of the DEPTH? We didn’t “walk in search of the depth [of the sea]“, I.E., the deepest part of the ocean, until 1875 when we discovered the deepest point on Earth, the Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench (although we weren’t sure it was the deepest point until much later). We didn’t fully survey it until 1951. We didn’t actually “walk” in it until 1960! But how does this prove the bible is the word of God? Simply the fact that in most ancient cultures, the ocean HAD no bottom! The Greek word abyss, used for the deep ocean, literally means “bottomless”! And 3500 years ago, only God could have known with such certainty that the ocean did in fact have a “depth”!! Furthermore, in the same verse, a completely separate proof exists; for to the ancient mind, the idea of a “SPRING” in the midst of the sea was unthinkable and illogical. Why would there be water pouring INTO the sea from underground – the sea is where water came from! And mankind for all his technological achievements didn’t discover underwater springs until 1949 – A.D.! Almost four millennium after Job was written! And even then, it wasn’t confirmed until 1960, and it wasn’t until 1979 that human beings first saw deep-sea springs with their own eyes! No one but God could possibly have known they existed four thousand years ago! Only muhammed see the angel ,who are his witnesses? Before Jesus was born, john the baptist bear witnesses of Jesus. The same was not in the case of muhammed.if you read all the articles I pasted, there are historical context in it and it's supported with many biblical verse, but all your claimed was the one made by Islamic scholar ,they manipulate the true word of God.that is the trick of satan. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Religious Leader Ask 400 Members To Cut Off Private Parts To Get Close To God by malvisguy212: 5:13pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Weah96:mattew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. My mother, with somewhat of a twinkle in her eye, used to say, “Son, if you do that again, I’m gonna skin you alive.” I knew she was speaking figuratively; nonetheless, I got the point! In the context of Matthew5:29 Christ was emphasizing the supreme value of pursuing the kingdom of God above all else. To illustrate this principle, he chose, for illustration purposes, items that are very precious to us (e.g., eye, hand, or foot). The obvious meaning is this. Recognize the value of eternal things; don’t be derailed by temporal and physical distractions . 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 5:06pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
The copy and paste is to long.I just have to do it.the points is this: when one read all what I paste you will discovered that the bible that was used EVEN before the muhammed was born is still the one of today.When Islam began in the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus Christ, the Bible was accepted as true. So, you might ask, has the Bible changed since the 6th century? No. All you have to do is compare today's Bible with a Bible written long ago. We can find complete Bibles, all the way back to 300 A.D., hundreds of years before the Quran. You can find one in the London Museum, in the Vatican, and many other places. If you compare today's Bible with the Bibles of 300 A.D., the Bible we have today is the same as then.satan is manipulating the word of God and we can see it here, the op is the evidence. May God guide us all in Jesus name. Amen. I am signing off here. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 4:55pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Why does the KJV differ from the NIV? The reason the King James version differ from the NASV and the NIV in a number of readings is because it is translated from a different text-type than they are. A. The King James Version was translated from Erasmus' printed Greek New Testament which made use of only five Greek manuscripts the oldest of which dated to the 1,100 A.D. These manuscripts were examples of the Byzantine text- type. B. The NASV and the NIV make use of the United Bible Societies 4th Edition 1968 of the New Testament. This edition of the Greek New Testament relies more heavily on the Alexandrian text-type while making use of all 5,664 Greek manuscripts. The reasons that the NASV and NIV find the Alexandrian text-type more reliable are the following: 1. This text-type uses manuscripts date from 175-350 A.D. which includes most of the papyri, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. 2. The church fathers from 97-350 A.D. used this text-type when they quoted the New Testament. 3. The early translations of the New Testament used the Alexandrian text-type. Examples that show why the KJV differs from the NIV and NASV in certain verses In the following examples the King James Version differs from the NIV, and NASV. because it bases it's translation on the Byzantine text-type and the NIV and NASV base theirs on the Alexandrian text-type. A. KJV 1 John 5:7-8 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one." NIV 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that testify: v. 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood: and the three are in agreement." 1. When Erasmus first printed the Greek New Testament in 1514 it did not contain the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth ," because they were not found in any of the Greek manuscripts that Erasmus looked at. 2. These words were not quoted by any of the Greek church fathers. They most certainly would have been used by the church fathers in their 3rd and 4th century letters if found in the Greek manuscripts available to them. 3. These words are not found in any ancient versions of the New Testament. These include Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic, nor in the Old Latin in its early form. 4. These words begin to appear in marginal notes in the Latin New Testament beginning in the fifth century. From the sixth century onward these words are found more and more frequently. 5. Erasmus finally agreed to put these words into new editions of his Greek New Testament if his critic's could find one Greek manuscript that contained these words. It appears that his critics manufactured manuscripts to include these words. 6. These additional words are found in only eight manuscripts as a variant reading written in the margin. Seven of these manuscripts date from the sixteenth century and one is a tenth century manuscript. 7. Erasmus' New Testament became the basis for the Greek New Testament, "Textus Receptus", which the King James translators used as the basis for their translation of the New Testament into English. B. Mark 16 verses 9-20 are found in the King James Version. However, both the NASV and the NIV note that these verses are not found in the earliest manuscripts of the Gospel of Mark (see The Authenticity of Mark 16:9-20). 1. Neither Codex Sinaiticus nor Codex Vaticanus have Mark 16:9-20. 2. Mark 16:9-20 is also absent from some Old Latin, Syriac, Armenian, and Georgian manuscripts. 3. Clement of Alexandria and Origen show no knowledge of the existence of these verses. 4. 4. The earliest church father to note the longer ending of Mark 16:9-20 was Irenaeus, around 180 A. D. C. Luke 2:14 reads: KJV: "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men." NIV: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." The Greek text from which these two versions are translated differ by only one letter. The NIV is translated from manuscripts that have an "s" on the end of the Greek word for good will. This reading is supported by the oldest Alexandrine text-types |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 4:52pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Important terms: Textual criticism is the method used to examine the vast number of manuscripts to determine the probably composition of the original autographs. "Lower" Textual Criticism: the practice of studying the manuscripts of the Bible with the goal of reproducing the original text of the Bible from this vast wealth of manuscripts. This is a necessary task because there exists minor variations among the biblical manuscripts. So, unless one manuscript is arbitrarily chosen as a standard by which to judge all others, then one must employ textual criticism to compare all manuscripts to derive the reading which would most closely reflect the autographs. "Higher" criticism: "The Jesus Seminar" is a group of liberal Christian higher critics who vote on which of the sayings of Christ they believe to have actually been spoken by Him. This is an example of "higher" criticism. It is highly subjective and is colored by the view points of various "higher" critics. Textual Variants: Since all Greek manuscripts of the New Testament prior to Erasmus' first printed Greek New Testament were copied by hand scribal errors or variants could have crept into the texts.. When these Greek New Testament manuscripts are compared with each other we find evidence of scribal errors and places where the different manuscripts differ with one another. Textual variants and the integrity of the New Testament text Many scholars have spent a lifetime of study of the textual variants. The following is the conclusion of the importance of these variants as they relate to the integrity of the New Testament text. A. There are over 200,000 variants in the New Testament alone. How do these variants effect our confidence that the New Testament has been faithfully handed down to us? B. These 200,000 variants are not as large as they seem. Remember that every misspelled word or an omission of a single word in any of the 5,600 manuscript would count as a variant. C. Johann Bengel 1687-1752 was very disturbed by the 30,000 variants that had recently been noted in Mill's edition of the Greek Testament. After extended study he came to the conclusion that the variant readings were fewer in number than might have been expected and that they did not shake any article of Christian doctrine. D. Westcott and Hort, in the 1870's, state that the New Testament text remains over 98.3 percent pure no matter whether one uses the Textus Receptus or their own Greek text which was largely based on Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. E. James White, on p. 40 of his book The King James Only Controversy states: "The reality is that the amount of variation between the two most extremely different manuscripts of the New Testament would not fundamentally altar the message of the Scriptures! I make this statement (1) fully aware of the wide range of textual variants in the New Testament, and (2) painfully aware of the strong attacks upon those who have made similar statements in the past." F. Scholars Norman Geisler and William Nix conclude, "The New Testament, then, has not only survived in more manuscripts that any other book from antiquity, but it has survived in a purer form than any other great book-a form that is 99.5 percent pure." G. When textual critics look at all 5,600 Greek New Testament manuscripts they find that they can group these manuscripts into text-types or families with other similar manuscripts. There are four text- types.1. The Alexandrian text-type, found in most papyri and in Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus all of which date prior to 350 A.D. 2. The Western text-type, found both in Greek manuscripts and in translations into other languages, especially Latin. 3. The Byzantine text-type, found in the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts. Over 90 percent of all 5,600 Greek New Testament manuscripts are of the Byzantine text-type. The Byzantine text-type is "fuller" or "longer" than other text-types, and this is taken as evidence of a later origin. The reason that we have so many manuscripts of the Byzantine text-type is because the Byzantine Empire remained Greek speaking and Orthodox Christian until Islamic Turks overran its capital, Constantinople, in 1453. Constantinople is now called Istanbul and is Turkey's largest city, although no longer its capital. 4. The Caesaarean text-type, disputed by some, found in p 45 and a few other manuscripts. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 4:43pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
The Integrity of the Manuscript Evidence As with any ancient book transmitted through a number of handwritten manuscripts, the question naturally arises as to how confident can we be that we have anything resembling the autograph. Let us now look at what evidences we have for the integrity of the New Testament manuscripts. Let us look at the number of manuscripts and how close they date to the autographs of the Bible as compared with other ancient writings of similar age. A. Tacitus, the Roman historian, wrote his Annals of Imperial Rome in about A.D. 116. Only one manuscript of his work remains. It was copied about 850 A.D. B. Josephus, a Jewish historian, wrote The Jewish War shortly after 70 A.D. There are nine manuscripts in Greek which date from 1000-1200 A.D. and one Latin translation from around 400 A.D. C. Homer's Iliad was written around 800 B.C. It was as important to ancient Greeks as the Bible was to the Hebrews. There are over 650 manuscripts remaining but they date from 200 to 300 A.D. which is over a thousand years after the Iliad was written . D. The Old Testament autographs were written 1450 - 400 B. C. 1. The Dead Sea Scrolls date between 200 B.C. to 70 A. D and date within 300 years from when the last book of the Old Testament was written. 2. Two almost complete Greek LXX translations of the Old Testament date about 350 A. D. 3. The oldest complete Hebrew Old Testament dates about 950 A. D. 4. Genesis-Deuteronomy were written over 1200 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls. Codex Vaticanus is an almost complete Greek translation of the Old Testament dating around 350 A.D. The Aleppo Codex is the oldest complete Old Testament manuscript in Hebrew and was copied around 950 A.D. The Dead Sea Scrolls date from within 200-300 years from the last book of the Old Testament. However since the five books of Moses were written about 1450- 1400 B.C. the Dead Sea Scrolls still come almost 1200 years after the first books of the Old Testament were written. E. The New Testament autographs were written between 45-95 A. D. 1. There are 5,664 Greek manuscripts some dating as early as 125 A. D. and an complete New Testament that dates from 350 A. D. 2. 8,000 to 10,000 Latin Vulgate manuscripts. 3. 8,000 manuscripts in Ethiopic, Coptic, Slavic, Syriac, and Armenian. 4. In addition, the complete New Testament could be reproduced from the quotes that were made from it by the early church fathers in their letters and sermons. Authorship and dating of the New Testament books Skeptics and liberal Christian scholars both seek to date the New Testament books as late first century or early second century writings. They contend that these books were not written by eyewitnesses but rather by second or third hand sources. This allowed for the development of what they view as myths concerning Jesus. For example, they would deny that Jesus actually foretold the destruction of Jerusalem. Rather they would contend that later Christian writers "put these words into his mouth." A. Many of the New Testament books claim to be written by eyewitnesses. 1. The Gospel of John claims to be written by the disciple of the Lord. Recent archeological research has confirmed both the existence of the Pool of Bethesda and that it had five porticoes as described in John 5:2. This correct reference to an incidental detail lends credibility to the claim that the Gospel of John was written by John who as an eyewitness knew Jerusalem before it was destroyed in 70 A. D. 2. Paul signed his epistles with his own hand. He was writing to churches who knew him. These churches were able to authenticate that these epistles had come from his hands (Galatians 6:11). Clement an associate of Paul's wrote to the Corinthian Church in 97 A. D. urging them to heed the epistle that Paul had sent them. B. The following facts strongly suggest that both the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts were written prior to 65 A.D. This lends credibility to the author's (Luke) claim to be an eyewitness to Paul's missionary journeys. This would date Mark prior to 65 A.D. and the Pauline epistles between 49-63 A.D. 1. Acts records the beginning history of the church with persecutions and martyrdoms being mentioned repeatedly. Three men; Peter, Paul, and James the brother of Jesus all play leading roles throughout the book. They were all martyred by 67 A.D., but their martyrdoms are not recorded in Acts. 2. The church in Jerusalem played a central role in the Book of Acts, but the destruction of the city in 70 A.D. was not mentioned. The Jewish historian Josephus cited the siege and destruction of Jerusalem as befalling the Jews because of their unjust killing of James the brother of Jesus. 3. The Book of Acts ends with Paul in Rome under house arrest in 62 A.D. In 64 A.D., Nero blamed and persecuted the Christians for the fire that burned down the city of Rome. Paul himself was martyred by 65 A.D. in Rome. Again, neither the terrible persecution of the Christians in Rome nor Paul's martyrdom are mentioned. Conclusion: These books, Luke- Acts, were written while Luke was an eyewitness to many of the events, and had opportunity to research portions that he was not an eyewitness to. The church fathers bear witness to even earlier New Testament manuscripts The earliest manuscripts we have of major portions of the New Testament are p 45, p 46, p66, and p 75, and they date from 175-250 A. D. The early church fathers (97-180 A.D.) bear witness to even earlier New Testament manuscripts by quoting from all but one of the New Testament books. They are also in the position to authenticate those books, written by the apostles or their close associates, from later books such as the gospel of Thomas that claimed to have been written by the apostles, but were not. A. Clement (30-100 A.D.) wrote an epistle to the Corinthian Church around 97 A.D. He reminded them to heed the epistle that Paul had written to them years before. Recall that Clement had labored with Paul (Philippians 4:3). He quoted from the following New Testament books: Luke, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, Hebrews, and James. B. The apostolic fathers Ignatius (30-107 A.D.), Polycarp (65-155 A.D.), and Papias (70-155 A.D.) cite verses from every New Testament book except 2 and 3 John. They thereby authenticated nearly the entire New Testament. Both Ignatius and Polycarp were disciples of the apostle John . C. Justin Martyr, (110-165 A.D.), cited verses from the following 13 books of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Galatians, 2 Thessalonians, Hebrews, 1 and 2 Peter, and Revelation. D. Irenaeus, (120-202 A.D.), wrote a five volume work Against Heresies in which, 1. He quoted from every book of the New Testament but 3 John. 2. He quoted from the New Testament books over 1,200 times. How was the New Testament canon determined? The Early church had three criteria for determining what books were to be included or excluded from the Canon of the New Testament. 1. First, the books must have apostolic authority-- that is, they must have been written either by the apostles themselves, who were eyewitnesses to what they wrote about, or by associates of the apostles. 2. Second, there was the criterion of conformity to what was called the "rule of faith." In other words, was the document congruent with the basic Christian tradition that the church recognized as normative. 3. Third, there was the criterion of whether a document had enjoyed continuous acceptance and usage by the church at large. 4. The gospel of Thomas is not included in the Canon of the New Testament for the following reasons. a. The gospel of Thomas fails the test of Apostolic authority. None of the early church fathers from Clement to Irenaeus ever quoted from the gospel of Thomas. This indicates that they either did not know of it or that they rejected it as spurious. In either case, the early church fathers fail to support the gospel of Thomas' claim to have been written by the apostle. It was believed to by written around 140 A.D. There is no evidence to support its purported claim to be written by the Apostle Thomas himself. b. The gospel of Thomas fails to conform to the rule of faith. It purports to contain 114 " secret sayings" of Jesus. Some of these are very similar to the sayings of Jesus recorded in the Four Gospels. For example the gospel of Thomas quotes Jesus as saying, "A city built on a high hill cannot be hidden." This reads the same as Matthew's Gospel except that high is added. But Thomas claims that Jesus said, "Split wood; I am there. Lift up a stone, and you will find me there." That concept is pantheistic. Thomas ends with the following saying that denies women salvation unless they are some how changed into being a man. "Let Mary go away from us, because women are not worthy of life." Jesus is quoted as saying, "Lo, I shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit, resembling you males . For every woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven." c. The gospel of Thomas fails the test of continuous usage and acceptance. The lack of manuscript evidence plus the failure of the early church fathers to quote from it or recognize it shows that it was not used or accepted in the early Church. Only two manuscripts are known of this "gospel." Until 1945 only a single fifth-century copy translation in Coptic had been found. Then in 1945 a Greek manuscript of the Gospel of Thomas was found at Nag Hammadi in Egypt. This compares very poorly to the thousands of manuscripts that authenticate the Four Gospels. Textual Criticism: What Is It And Why It Is Necessary |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 4:06pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Skeptics often claim that the Bible has been changed. However, it is important to define the terms that apply to the source of our English Bible. Autographs: The original texts were written either by the author's own hand or by a scribe under their personal supervision. Manuscripts: Until Gutenberg first printed the Latin Bible in 1456, all Bibles were hand copied onto papyrus, parchment, and paper. Translations: When the Bible is translated into a different language it is usually translated from the original Hebrew and Greek. However some translations in the past were derived from an earlier translation. For example the first English translation by John Wycliffe in 1380 was prepared from the Latin Vulgate. OLD TESTAMENT The Bible comes from two main sources - Old and New Testaments - written in different languages. The Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, with some books written in Aramaic. The following are brief snap shots of the beginning and ending of the Old Testament and the reasons for the first two translations of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Aramaic and Greek 1875 B.C. Abraham was called by God to the land of Canaan. 1450 B.C. The exodus of the Children of Israel from Egypt. AUTOGRAPHS There are no known autographs of any books of the Old Testament. Below is a list of the languages in which the Old Testament books were written. 1450-1400 B.C. The traditional date for Moses' writing of Genesis-Deuteronomy written in Hebrew. 586 B.C. Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar. The Jews were taken into captivity to Babylon. They remained in Babylon under the Medo-Persian Empire and there began to speak Aramaic. 555-545 B.C. The Book of Daniel Chapters. 2:4 to 7:28 were written in Aramaic. 425 B.C. Malachi, the last book of the Old Testament, was written in Hebrew. 400 B.C. Ezra Chapters. 4:8 to 6:18; and 7:12-26 were written in Aramaic. Manuscripts The following is a list of the oldest Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament that are still in existence. The Dead Sea Scrolls: date from 200 B.C. - 70 A.D. and contain the entire book of Isaiah and portions of every other Old Testament book but Esther. Geniza Fragments: portions the Old Testament in Hebrew and Aramaic, discovered in 1947 in an old synagogue in Cairo, Egypt, which date from about 400 A.D. Ben Asher Manuscripts: five or six generations of this family made copies of the Old Testament using the Masoretic Hebrew text, from 700-950 A.D. The. following are examples of the Hebrew Masoretic text-type. Aleppo Codex: contains the complete Old Testament and is dated around 950 A.D. Unfortunately over one quarter of this Codex was destroyed in anti- Jewish riots in 1947. Codex Leningradensis: The complete Old Testament in Hebrew copied by the last member of the Ben Asher family in A.D. 1008. TRANSLATION The Old Testament was translated very early into Aramaic and Greek. 400 B.C. The Old Testament began to be translated into Aramaic. This translation is called the Aramaic Targums. This translation helped the Jewish people, who began to speak Aramaic from the time of their captivity in Babylon, to understand the Old Testament in the language that they commonly spoke. In the first century Palestine of Jesus' day, Aramaic was still the commonly spoken language. For example maranatha: "Our Lord has come," 1 Corinthians 16:22 is an example of an Aramaic word that is used in the New Testament. 250 B.C. The Old Testament was translated into Greek. This translation is known as the Septuagint. It is sometimes designated "LXX" (which is Roman numeral for "70"  because itwas believed that 70 to 72 translators worked to translate the Hebrew Old Testament in Greek. The Septuagint was often used by New Testament writers when they quoted from the Old Testament. The LXX was translation of the Old Testament that was used by the early Church. 1. The following is a list of the oldest Greek LXX translations of the Old Testament that are still in existence. Chester Beatty Papyri: Contains nine Old Testament Books in the Greek Septuagint and dates between 100-400 A.D. Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus each contain almost the entire Old Testament of the Greek Septuagint and they both date around 350 A.D. The New Testament Autographs 45- 95 A.D. The New Testament was written in Greek. The Pauline Epistles, the Gospel of Mark, the Gospel of Luke, and the book of Acts are all dated from 45-63 A.D. The Gospel of John and the Revelation may have been written as late as 95 A.D. Manuscripts There are over 5,600 early Greek Manuscripts of the New Testament that are still in existence. The oldest manuscripts were written on papyrus and the later manuscripts were written on leather called parchment. 125 A.D. The New Testament manuscript which dates most closely to the original autograph was copied around 125 A.D, within 35 years of the original. It is designated " p 52" and contains a small portion of John 18. (The " p" stands for papyrus.) 200 A.D. Bodmer p 66 a papyrus manuscript which contains a large part of the Gospel of John. 200 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46 contains the Pauline Epistles and Hebrews. 225 A.D. Bodmer Papyrus p 75 contains the Gospels of Luke and John. 250-300 A.D. Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45 contains portions of the four Gospels and Acts. 350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek. It was discovered by a German scholar Tisendorf in 1856 at an Orthodox monastery at Mt. Sinai. 350 A.D. Codex Vaticanus: {B} is an almost complete New Testament. It was cataloged as being in the Vatican Library since 1475. Translations Early translations of the New Testament can give important insight into the underlying Greek manuscripts from which they were translated. 180 A.D. Early translations of the New Testament from Greek into Latin, Syriac, and Coptic versions began about 180 A.D. 195 A.D. The name of the first translation of the Old and New Testaments into Latin was termed Old Latin, both Testaments having been translated from the Greek. Parts of the Old Latin were found in quotes by the church father Tertullian, who lived around 160-220 A.D. in north Africa and wrote treatises on theology. 300 A.D. The Old Syriac was a translation of the New Testament from the Greek into Syriac. 300 A.D. The Coptic Versions: Coptic was spoken in four dialects in Egypt. The Bible was translated into each of these four dialects. 380 A.D. The Latin Vulgate was translated by St. Jerome. He translated into Latin the Old Testament from the Hebrew and the New Testament from Greek. The Latin Vulgate became the Bible of the Western Church until the Protestant Reformation in the 1500's. It continues to be the authoritative translation of the Roman Catholic Church to this day. The Protestant Reformation saw an increase in translations of the Bible into the common languages of the people. Other early translations of the Bible were in Armenian, Georgian, and Ethiopic, Slavic, and Gothic. 1380 A.D. The first English translation of the Bible was by John Wycliffe. He translated the Bible into English from the Latin Vulgate. This was a translation from a translation and not a translation from the original Hebrew and Greek. Wycliffe was forced to translate from the Latin Vulgate because he did not know Hebrew or Greek. To be Continue 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 3:53pm On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:I ask a question which you cannot answer and now you want me to answer yours. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 10:42am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:the simple question is this; why the revelation pause? Or waraqa is the angel that why the revelation pause? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 10:40am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:you keep on exposing your self.have you ever question your belief as a muslim? Bible encourage us to question our faith and be certain of our faith, then tell me BETWEEN ME AND YOU , WHO IS THE ROBOT? But the quran discourage you to ask question. If you want to know this men,you are not ban to search the internet Christianity division is about doctrine,but ISLAM is about greed and political power. You haven't answer my question'sahih bukari hadith,is it autheintic? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:38am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Waraqa died and the revelation pause. Maby waraqa is the angel Gabriel. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:36am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:and you created a thread asking silly question,"if Jesus read the bible" If muhammed was an eyewitness,Doe this mean he was an eyewitness when God created the world? Dos not this tell you that,that is how this men in the bible were inspired? But muhammed contradicts the teaching. Why will God Wait for soo long before he send muhammed to correct there teaching? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:14am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:African man, answering a question with a question. Were in my post I say the revelation stop? What make it pause? Give the reason. Simple as that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:06am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:1. James 2:19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 2.is sahih bukari hadith to be trusted? (simple question) 3. I will repeat this question again;the quran made it clear that the injil and the torah are WRITTEN document,if it not written then how will the people be able to observed the law ?how will it possible that all copies be vanished without anyone holding the original?. Since Allah allowed his previous Revelations to be corrupted by weak human people, this leads to one of the following assumptions about Allah: 1. Allah is a weak god; he could not protect his previous Revelations. He also gains more power and might throughout time, because he supposedly is now able to protect his last revelation, the Quran. 2. Allah does not care about people being misled by counterfeit revelations. And yet he will still punish individuals with hell fire because they follow a corrupted Message even though they may have not come to the realization that Allah had allowed it to be corrupted. That means Allah is unjust. In light of the above, how can we trust that the Quran is preserved if these three Revelations are corrupted? How can a person trust that Allah did not fail to protect his so-called final revelation, the Quran, when he was too weak to prevent people from tampering with his previous Messages? Maybe Allah needs to a send a fifth revelation? Perhaps he has already sent down this fifth book, and that is actually the revelation given to Baha’ullah the founder of the Baha’i faith? More importantly, how do Muslims reconcile their position with Allah’s claim in the Quran that “there is no changing the words of God”? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:24am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:read my post again.I say "why did it pause? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:21am On Mar 04, 2015 |
Empiree:1.believing in the bible don't make you child of God even the devil believe in Jesus. 2.rilwayn say someone who is not an eyewitness has no right to compel a holy book, you quote the hadith to prove to me the bible is corrupted,the writer of the hadith is not a eyewitness,according to rilwyn we will not trust it. 3.the quran made it clear that the injil and the torah are WRITTEN document,if it not written then how will the people be able to observed the law ?how will it possible that all copies be vanished without anyone holding the original? 4.you said it was not necessary the earlier scripture been preserved but the quran say other wise;The Quran makes this claim:" Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9"the remander is the scripture And Allah promise to guide it. 5.jerimaih was not talking about the scripture ,it was talking about the law. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:45pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
According to empiree and Rilwayn.the gospel/injil is corrupted and they supported it with quranic verse, but in the days of muhammed ,he accepted the gospel as the word of God and Allah ask the muslims to MAKE confirmation in the scripture and injil,why will Allah ask them to make confirmation on a corrupted book?he vow to guide his word, meaning the scripture and injil which muslims claimed is corrupted is the WORD of Allah, dosent this mean Allah fail to guide his word as promise in the quran? The same quran that Allah ask the Muslims to confirmed the truth in the scripture say the same scripture is corrupted. It is either Allah or muhammed is confused. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: ISIS Terrorist Miraculously Received Jesus And Rejected Islam by malvisguy212: 11:19pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
Praise God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:16pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
Empiree:quote it for me let me see it . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:08pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
Empiree:how is this an answer to my question? Where in the quran it say the bible/scripture is corrupted? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When Is Jesus Coming Back? by malvisguy212: 11:04pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
johnydon22:1 Corinthians 1:27 Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When Is Jesus Coming Back? by malvisguy212: 10:59pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
jedidiah2801:the scripture make it clear that no one know the day or the hour of christ return .but the bible dos say that we can know the time and season surrounding his coming,you may be thinking the usual saying like... So because disease and immorality are running rampant and because there are wars and rumors of war and we have had some few earthquake that jesus is comin soon ? Yeah we've heard all that before. But after studying the bible I discover somting interesting about the end of days. Please read. my theory about the end of days started when I read a verse in isaiah 46. It say that God declare the end from the beginning. A similar verse was in isaiah48. This lead me to the creation story in the book of genesis. As I study the first chapter, I began to wonder, WHY IT TOOK GOD SIX DAYS TO CREATE THIS WORLD AND REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY,WHY WOULD HE TAKE SIX DAYS WHEN HE COULD HAVE CREATED THE WORLD IN ONE SECOND, IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE? I started studying the word"day" and days" I discover some interesting passages that related to this. Maby God is indicating to us how much time man would have on earth .this is the point, the bible especially the old testament is full of foreshadowing. An event that actually happen in history, also picture somting coming in the future. An example is the sacrifice of abraham and isaac, that event actually happen,and it was also a picture of what God will do to his son jesus on the cross as an offering for the sin of the world. Now why will God take SIX days to create the world? Is this a picture of somting we need to know? I think it is. In 2peter 3:8, the context was reffering to the second coming of jesus christ,the bible say that a one day with they Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand year is like a day. Psalm 90. A thousand year in God sight is like yesterday.so could it be that the six days of creation were yo indicate to us the time man will spend on this earth would be about six thousand years?...the seventh day of rest picturing the thousand years millennia reign, when christ come back to set up is kingdom, the time of righteousness and peace. Bible scholar have calculate from the first man adam to the first comin of christ to be 4000years,if that is the case then we are could have been living at the end of what the new testament called THE LAST DAYS.now this is the issue. God deal with time in the bible, when God measure time He dose so by seven; 1.God created the world in seven days, with the seven day bein for REST. 2according to the old testament law,the jew were commanded to REST every SEVEN days. 3.the seventh week after the passover, they celebrated a big feast of REST. 4.the seventh month of were perhaps the most important when they celebrated three of there biggest feast of REST. 5.every seventh year was the year of REST for the land. 6.every 49years ,seven times seven, they celebrated the year of jubilee, which is a year of REST for the land and liberty for the people. so it made perfect sense to me that God would set up a seven thousand year period for man to occupy the earth, with the last thousand year being a time of REST when jesus come back to set up his earthly kingdom, as spoken in revelation20.I was right when I say God deal with time he dos so by seven.the second coming of christ is the most important day in God's calendar , he want us yo know the timing . Hosea was a prophet in the old testament, in verse 6 of that book , hosea talk about isreal, God chosen nation, who was always rejecting God.the nation was going to be torn apart, but verse two say" after two days will he revive us , the third day he will raise us up and the we shall live in his sight"what dos this mean? When jesus come isreal reject him as there messiah , so God scatter the nation of isreal all over the world. For 1900 years there is no nation of isreal but God say after two days[ or 2000yrs] I will revive thee, and you, isreal will live in my sight, the scatter isreal became a nation in the year 1948.this is important because God is reviving the nation of isreal and they are about to live in his sight when jesus come back to set up his earthly kingdom , have you ever meet a cannanite ? How about the amorite? No because these are isreal enemies and God did not preserve them, the jew have been preserve because they are God chosen people and he shall fulfilled and keep his promise he made to them but the jew are still rejecting christ, for how long?after two days [or 2000years] I will revive thee and the third day you shall live in my sight. The second coming event are about to begin, I see the same foreshadowing in exodus 19:11. God told isreal to clean up and wait for two days, the third day I'm coming down in the sight of they nation. In john 11. Lazarus died a jew, jesus waited for two days before he raise him from death, this is a picture of how God is about to turn his back from isreal for the next two thousand years [or two days] and start reach out for the rest of the world through the new testament church which he did. God dint just throw this stuff in the bible to wast space ,maby am right , maby God is trying to tell us somtingn In matthew17:1 say that jesus tool peter, james and john up to the mountain, apart from the rest, did the thing we want to know happen up there? Yes.jesus transfigured before them and the are giving a preview of his second coming glory, now the first word of the verse was "after six days" why did God throw this in? To waste space? Or is God trying to tell us somtin that we need to know?note:the time from adam to jesus is 4,000years[4days] the time of the church period is two thousand years [2days] so could this mean after 6000yrs [6days] God will revive isreal and fulfill his promise he made to them? Hmmm am I reading to much . If am right, BROTHERS WE ARE LIVING IN THE END OF DAYS. REPENT. THANK YOU. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When Is Jesus Coming Back? by malvisguy212: 10:36pm On Mar 03, 2015 |
simplex2:satan is manipulating you to do all this. The saints are not dead but sleeping>>>>>> 1 Thessalonians 4:15.According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly NOT precede those who have fallen ASLEEP. The saint's will see Him first; 1 Thessalonians 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them(the saint's) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. All the disciples that Jesus say "they will not test death" they are the saint's and bible make it clearly that they are sleeping. |
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