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9jaforlife:
[size=20pt] Is there coercion in religion?? Why is your own 'salvation' by FORCE IT IS YOU WHO NEEDS TO SET YOURSELF FREE!!![/size]

did I force you to accept christ? I quote the deed of a man, a man who you delighted in him, you are the one who need to proved me wrong, all the hadith and quranic verses I quoted is right there in your quran, open the verse and read it then falsified my claimed. Did you think I just woke up one morning and concluded" ISLAM is false"? No my friend,the catholic rosary and Islamic rosary are identical, when I was young, in the mosque ,when ever they start using the rosary to pray, if they reach where Jesus name is mention, they will say in hausa "saleke" meaning jump that place, my points is let you know how deep I was in this religion. My father gives his life to christ around 1994 to 95 uptil today he was a devoted christians. Infacte, my friend whose mum was a devoted muslim when she read the life of muhammed and Jesus outside the bible and quran, she see the different is like LIFE AND DEATH, he confessed christ and became a christian. There are many thing you guys need to know about ISLAM which I,truthman and ifeann want you guys to know.

udatso:
I had to go to all my posts and check page by page just to bring out your question and the reply you got. Next time, you might not be this lucky. I might just ignore you.

the question must have disturb that why you go through this stress, check my reply above.

udatso:
The above was your question and I gave you this reply

if your father's name is muhammad and your mother's name is aisha and they are both muslims, does that make you a muslim?

2.

if the solution for a recurrence relation is Aⁿ + B³ as it was thought by the teacher, after 10 years, innovation gets in and it was then solved the wrong way thereby leading to wrong answers but they didnt care cos they felt it was right. then later someone came to correct it and restore it to the original way it was solved. tell me , will you accuse the person who corrected their ways of following their footsteps?

let me make it easier for you.
mr A built mosque for. the worship of God, after some years, it was turned to a shrine, thrn later mr B came and cleared the house of idols and restore it back to what it was. are you going to accuse mr B of being a pagan?

lastly I want you to know that idol worshipping as you have confirmed yourself has no place in islam . the fact that the mode of worship might look like idol worshipping to you doesn't make it so……



for once pull hear from bigotry and see it used for what its meant for

your example of Mr.A and b is soo weak .

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and SANCTUARY, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
Purify My house for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

Hers it was Allah himself that made the house muslim only claimed Abraham reconstruct it.Now, how did the “House of
Allah” which was “made by Allah”
become a pagan temple housing 360
pagan idols? How can a House of God
become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why
did Allah allow this to occur to his place
of worship? Udatso your example of Mr a and Mr b doesn't work unless you are implying Allah is Mr A. The word “sanctuary“ means Allah made it and purify itn why will the pagan still worship there gods there where Allah purified?

johnydon22:
habaaaa ... what damn course are you looking for again.
If someone wants to worship another god, you should kill them and you call that killing with course?

Why do you condemn isis and boko haram for killing since they are killing for a course and is still same as that of this ur god..

Nawa ooo... now its not show me where god killed, its now show me where god killed without course... hahahahahahaha this is priceless

God create you and ask you to worship him alone. Bible say where were you when I create the earth? Where are the gods when jehovah God made you! However Jesus has already fullfiled the law summoned it to ONE word "LOVE"

johnydon22:
First of all the correction was not necessary since you purposely reversed it...

now let me help you quote Deuteronomy 13 from 6 to 10

[size=20] If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own life entices you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods--gods you have not known, you nor your fathers,

7Of the gods of the peoples who are round about you, near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other--

8You shall not give consent to him or listen to him; nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him.

9But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hands of all the people.

10And you shall stone him to death with stones, because he has tried to draw you away from the Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.[/size] ... now aint that brutal?

A God who will not ignored sin or overlooked it will never spear sinner who break his commandment,however this commandment was giving to the isrealite and was advice to keep them, the amalikites that worship other gods,God did not killed them right away, God pronounced judgment on them and waited almost 300 years after they filled up there measures then God wreath comes upon them.
Thank you for your time, good night.

johnydon22:
Read ur damn book for once...

provide the verse were God killed without a course.

johnydon22:
habaaaaa the guy said [size=20] Deuteronomy 13: 7[/size] common why are you this deceptive naaa

thank you for the correction.
Deuteronomy 13:7
gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to
the other),
Obizeal; This verse was not talking about jehovah God but the idols.

obiZEAL:
Gives rise to another question;
Why did my catechism teacher make me cram the ten commandment?
And u'v not told me what to do with the story of creation, or do we just stay with the evolution theory?

the law is good,when the law is given,it was not meant to saved sinner but it was the INSTRUMENTS in which sinner will be saved, I am a sinner and I cannot obey the law because the spirit in me is weak, I am a wretched man; >>>>
Romans 7:24
What a wretched man I am! Who will
rescue me from this body that is subject
to death?
My body is subjected to death because I cannot obey the law, but when Jesus say"I come to fullfiled the law" this is what he was indicating>>>>I AM SINLESS AND I DID NOT BREAK THE LAW, I AM A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THOES WHO BELIEVE IN ME.

obiZEAL:
Deuteronomy 13 v 7

maby you mistakenly provide another verse, or you are confused.
◄ Deuteronomy 7:13 ►
He will love you and bless you and
increase your numbers. He will bless the
fruit of your womb, the crops of your
land--your grain, new wine and olive oil--
the calves of your herds and the lambs
of your flocks in the land he swore to
your ancestors to give you.

obiZEAL:
Gives rise to another question;
Why did my catechism teacher make me cram the ten commandment?
And u'v not told me what to do with the story of creation, or do we just stay with the evolution theory?

I am not a catholic, I believe that question goes to the catholic faith.

michaelwestern:
Did you even read my post before quoting me? I stated it clearly that the old testament laws are not for christians. God gave the commandments to isrealites only there was nothing like christianity then.

It's the same God but different dispensation and to the best of my knowledge the OP was referring to christians not isrealites who were given the commandments.

Let me state it clearly again, christians dont follow the old testament commandments, we only read the old testament to learn about how God related to the isrealites before christianity.

hey bro, good to know you are alright, I am very happy to see you, God bless you my friend.

obiZEAL:
So what do we do with the ten commandments?
What do we do with story of creation?
These are the basis of the christian belief and they are found in the old testament

Jesus summoned it with ONE word, "LOVE" all the killing the op quoted are for thoes who don't believe in the grace Jesus gives us, they are for does who followed the law and deny the grace of God in christ Jesus.

udatso:
I don't know why you keep recycling this. I think I have addressed this question from you before. You just keep recycling these questions.

this is the first time I ask this question, even if you address it, past it here let see.

obiZEAL:
Just as there are sooo much more verses in the bible like the ones up there that other christians to kill and destroy.

there is no verse in the bible God command us to kill, if there is provide it.

obiZEAL:
Am Sure you must have understood that the bible is a one sided story book...God played the jury and the judge and he never gave room for free will, the pages of the bible suggests that God kill people at will...and it don't go down well with me when SOME christians tag Islam a violent religion just because of a hand full of deviant muslims. That where I have a problem.

I will seth a challenge for you, produce a verses in the bible were God killed innocent people, and when you do that, give the whole story so that the viewers will understand.we all know the killing start during the FLOOD and later soddom and gomorah,these people sacrifice there sons and daughter for their gods and practice homosexual,infacte they even attempt to sleep with the angels God sent to warn them, hence their punishment/judgment.everything about killing continue during the exedus era,read below;

The Amalekites attacked the Israelites
without apparent provocation as they
were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex
17:. "When you were weary and worn
out, they met you on your journey and
cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt
25:17-18). They later attacked Israel
during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13)
and often raided the Israelites' land after they had planted crops, leaving them with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished the Amalekites by ordering Saul to destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300 years after they had first attacked Israel.

Empiree:
Everything you said up there is false and unreal. How many christians ready to turn other cheek if slapped?. How many of you forgive 70x? You are not being real. Those nonsense were Paul's teachings. Jesus did not abolish the Law.

The Laws Stand. If you dont agree, it means you contradict our own Book and your Book also contradicts itself. Here is what Jesus said

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.Matthew 5:17

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

[size=15pt]“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)[/size]

how did Jesus fullfiled the law? ? No prophets say the word " I come to fullfiled the law" only Jesus ,why?

When the law was introduced, it was
never intended to be the instrument by
which man would save himself, but it
was the instrument through which man
was to be saved. In a very real sense,
man is saved through the fulfilment
(keeping) of the law. When Christ fulfilled the law, he earned the privilege of life.

Those who are in Christ, likewise, share
in his righteousness and are delcared
righteous right along side him. In that
sense, the law has always stood and will continue to stand.

Romans 7:7What then shall we say?
That the law is sin? By no means! Yet
if it had not been for the law, I would
not have known sin. For I would not
have known what it is to covet if the
law had not said, "You shall not
covet." 8But sin, seizing an
opportunity through the
commandment, produced in me all
kinds of covetousness. For apart from
the law, sin lies dead. 9I was once
alive apart from the law, but when
the commandment came, sin came
alive and I died. 10THE VERY
COMMANDMENT THAT PROMISED LIFE
proved to be death to me. 11For sin,
seizing an opportunity through the
commandment, deceived me and
through it killed me. 12So the law is
holy, and the commandment is holy
and righteous and good.

This is the point Jesus was making>>>>

The law offered life through its fulfilment and death through its violation. Jesus was saying"I NEVER SIN AND I AM THE PERFECT EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW. How do you fullfiled the law?is it not by keeping the commandment? I know you will not understands it. Because your heart is sealed.


That being said, there's still hope for us
wretched sinners:
Romans 7:4Likewise, my brothers,
you also have died to the law through
the body of Christ, so that you may
belong to another, to him who has
been raised from the dead, in order
that we may bear fruit for God. 5For
while we were living in the flesh, our
sinful passions, aroused by the law,
were at work in our members to bear
fruit for death.
And verse 6 say>>>>>
6But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT and not in the OLD WAY of the written code.
Looking at the block starting with v.7 we
see that the law is not bad (in fact it's
good) just because we use it as a
springboard for badness. The law is
good, and it's been fulfilled by Christ. He
was the one who fulfilled it; not us.

TheIndustrialist:
Then it means he came in a prefect form, right ?
If so, why didn't he come the way we do so that one would clearly know that it is possible to NEVER sin while wearing Adam's garment ?

the quran and bible say Jesus is a spirit from God, can a spirit walk on a realm of mortal? It was God himself that possessed the body of jesus,you know why? Because God want to reconciled us to himself after the fall of man,man cannot fullfiled the law because our righteousness is as filthy as rages.we need to believe in Jesus.

9jaforlife:
Muslims go seven times between the two hills of Safa and Marwah; an action that we know as an emulation of what the second wife of Prophet Abraham (peace be on him) namely Lady Hajar, went through in trying to find help/water for her infant in the bare desert of Makkah. She ran seven times back and forth between the Safa and Marwa hills. Allah Almighty then caused baby Ishmael to rub his feet against the sand and water, known as Zamzam started gushing out. THIS is the miracle of Allah, which occurred here and it's the reason this particular location (Safa and Marwa Hills) is a place of worship for all Muslim Pilgrims. Note that movements between the two hills as well as circumambulation around the Kaaba are both part of the rites performed in fulfillment of pilgrimage.

Allah Prophecized it in Quran 22: 26-27...

"Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways"


The prophecy is fulfilled every year by millions of Muslims going to fulfill Hajj rites. To say that these rites are emulations of Hindu religious practices couldn't be farther from the truth!


The circulation around a place for seven times in worship is not necessarily an action of idol worshipping or paganistic. A similar action was taken by Joshua in the bible...

Joshua 6: 12-17 "Joshua got up early the next morning and the priests took up the ark of the Lord. 13 The seven priests carrying the seven trumpets went forward, marching before the ark of the Lord and blowing the trumpets. The armed men went ahead of them and the rear guard followed the ark of the Lord, while the trumpets kept sounding. 14 So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days. 15 On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and [/b] marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. [b] 16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city! 17 The city and all that is in it are to be devoted to the Lord..."

Was Joshua worshipping an idol in the narration above??



With regard to the white garment for worship by Muslims, it only symbolizes purity and uniformity. Mind you, there are white garment churches. Are these churches a division of Hindu religion or are they emulating the Hindus??


Finally, the crescent is only a symbol in Islam, nothing more. We don't even attach importance to it the way christians do with the cross; they hang it around their necks and draw imaginary crosses upon themselves. Claiming that the Shiva's Crescent is the same as Islam's is a less than smart lie. The Hindu's shiva only has a crescent as one of his many attributes, including the third eye on his forehead, the trishula weapon, the snake Vasuki around his neck and so on. The crescent of Islam is the only symbol. It has a star in it, while the Shiva's crescent has a different symbol within. Pictures 1 & 2 below are samples of Islamic Crescent while 3 and 4 are the Shiva's. They are NOT the same!

May God deliver Muslims from the eccentric lies of the so called 'loving' christians!!!

you lie my friend.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
THE HOUSE (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
Purify My house for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

According to Islam, Allah is said to have
built the Ka’ba centuries before the time
of Judaism and Christianity. It was
supposedly restructured later by
Abraham and Ishmael. The Ka’ba also
known as “Baitullah” means “House of
Allah.” Now, how did the “House of
Allah” which was “made by Allah”
become a pagan temple housing 360
pagan idols? How can a House of God
become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why
did Allah allow this to occur to his place
of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem – unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwah are among the
indications of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who is on pilgrimage to
the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to
go around them ( AS THE PAGAN
CUSTOM IS).” (Pickthall)

Joshua round the city seven times, is city and mountain now the same thing?

johnydon22:
No i prove my points based on my own logic and reasoning not anybody's...

It may sound similar to you because we dont believe in any deity or superstitious mumbo jumbo...

My reasoning have nothing to do with anybody..

I don't want to stress my self in searching for your post that say otherwise because this is a lie everybody knows.

johnydon22:
You wanna know my role model?

[size=20] Me [/size]

and what dah fvck is my business with hitchens?

How have i got to do with hitchens and all that..?

Atheists dont have a dogma or creed, we share nothing in common...

so ask me who my role model is again and i say i copy no one.. my role model is and always have been [size=20]me[/size]

but you proved your points Base on there logic and theories.

tola9ja:
Rilawayne001 9jaforlife, empiree yourmain come and see the beauty of Islam

◄ John 8:23 ►
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I
am not of this world.

Muhammed is from this world Jesus is from above. The world hate good thing ;
◄ John 15:18 ►

"If the world hates you, keep in mind
that it hated me first.

johnydon22:
Oh yes the bible commanded such violence and deaths and horrible evil actions but christians now dont let it influence their actions because human morality surpasses that of any God(s) or anything written in the pages of a book.

But looking at the actions of most muslims in the world are best described as brainless folks with a book and gun..

Tho those two books bible and koran are real shiiiits and are not supposed to influence any man's thinking and actions..

as an atheists,who is your role model? Christopher hitchen when ask to condemned beastility he refused.
"Bestiality is the act of engaging in sexual relations with an animal."

Obizeal. https://www.nairaland.com/2032869/did-god-realy-killed-innocent

obiZEAL. There are many verses in the quran that encourage muslim to wage war on people who don't believe in Allah check this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/2092548/root-caused-islamic-terrorism