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yazach: [/s]

@bold, you need to answer these questions
1- In the old time why was it that God did not give them the so call grace you claim to have been given now?

2- In your judgment will you say God was so cruel by asking those people to fight?

Don't forget the following word of Jesus

◄ Luke 12:49 ►

New International Version
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

New Living Translation
Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!

BossTtdiamonds: A very Good question.... He has been calling Christians the antichrist... But to believe there is an antichrist, first you have to be a Christian...

SO Abdulsalam who is the Christ and who is the antichrist.


Prediction: He'll go copy and paste another article from another site that has no link to the question they've asked him..

Last Bullet: He has no answer of his own

Abdulsalam20: LOLZ SO U CAN SAY MY POST IS LONG THAT IS HYPOCRACY
SEE YOU YOU SHOULD JUST PROVE ME WRONG
IN THE FIRST PLACE I HOPE YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT JESUS IS A PROPHET
EVEN JESUS NEVER SAY U SHOULD WORSHIP HIM
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No
one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
NOW BACK TO YOUR QUESTION;
NO PROPHET MERIT TO BE CALLLED GOD
GOD IS ONE
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John
17:3)
SO I ONLY WORSHIP GOD
AND I WORSHIP GOD HOW ALL PROPHET WORSHIP GOD
SO GOD IS MY SAVIOUR
EVEN JESUS WARN U
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AND PAUL THAT DECEIVE U SAYS
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the
abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in
the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure." ( 2Corinthians 12:7 ) (K.J.V.)
What does this verse mean please?
Messenger of Satan given him the Abundance of Revelations,
and torturing him (not to tell the truth) for him to be honoured,
glorified and exalted above measure!
The messenger of Satan tortured him in order not to tell the
truth, if not so, why torture?

When
Bible said 'Anti Christ shall arise in the last days, and shall
deceived many ."Nigerian Christians expect to some day see a
huge dark man with two horns & a tail, without knowing that
most of these their today pastors are the real anti Christ Bible
talked about, Recruiting them as a potential candidates for Hell.

Nickyspice: Good morning nairalanders, i'm a growing christian who loves God and wants to do his perfect will. There are some things i still dont understand clearly in the bible and will appreciate if anyone can help me out...first is, is there any difference between the second coming of christ and the millenial reign? 2ndly,i want more light to be shed on the great white throne judgement. 3rdly, bible said in 2 peter 3 vs 8 dat a thousand years is one day before God. And bible talking about the account of creation said in the first day he made light and darkness, second day he made the firmament and so forth. My question now is, does it mean that it took God seven thousand years to create the earth? Thanks.

yazach: Mr Lost sheep!!! what do you have to say about this?

Deuteronomy 20 New International Version (NIV)

10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

Abdulsalam20: ANTICHRIST
Anti Christ shall arise in the last days, and shall
deceived many ." Christians expect to some day see a
huge dark man with two horns & a tail, without knowing that
most of these their today pastors are the real anti Christ Bible
talked about, Recruiting them as a potential candidates for Hell.

rinrin23: Can't describe someone/something I don't know.

Maybe if you provide any historical records of his doing/wrongdoings then I can describe him/it.

Also what exactly did this Lucifer do to be called a liar and a fool.

striktlymi: A lot of this has to do with interpretation and context. Most of the 'violent passages' in the Quran, if not all were written while Muhammad and his followers were busy prosecuting a war they did not start.

Now to the two passages you provided...

Surah 8:39
Sahih International

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And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

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Surah 9:29
Sahih International

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Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

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Both passages are not exactly contradictory. Both passages relate the same message but in different ways. The first asked the followers to fight until there is no fitnah and the Religion is for Allah.

It seem to suggest that Muhammad is all out to conquer the world and make everyone Muslim. But this is not exactly the case because in the second passage he went ahead to reveal what should happen to 'unbelievers' who finally lay down their arms.

They would be required to give the Jizyah willingly. The Jizyah is a form of tax (Capita tax if you will) levied on 'male' non-muslims of military age, resident in a Muslim Country as a sign of their subjection to the government.

This shows that though Muhammad desires everyone to become Muslim but he acknowledges that it is not to be forced on people. It has to be accepted willingly. If one chooses not to accept Islam then he pays the Jizyah as long as he continues to reside within the territory.

Thus, the message in both passages is not really about Muslim domination but about how Muslims are expected to conduct themselves in time of war.

Only wars approved by Allah should be fought and when they are fought, it should be with the mindset of furthering the course of Allah for as long as the aggressors continue to fight. If an aggressor stops fighting or loses then the Jizyah is to be imposed for those who are willing to accept.

finofaya: I think you believe you can affect things through supernatural means.

Abdulsalam20: PLS DEFEND YOUR ALLEGED ANTICHRIST FIRST
CONCERNING YOUR QUESTION KILLING IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM
Murder is strictly forbidden
in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that
God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is
forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a
crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it
be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall
be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it
shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in
Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on
other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in
religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The
Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in
622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse
of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into
adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.
3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says,
“But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline
towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears
and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,”
2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight
against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not
aggressors.”
4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can
declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly
constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in
the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime
minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national
jurisconsult.
5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden.
According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first
Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in
ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm;
do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any
town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which
groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion
rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces
for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading
of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida
5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman
Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d.
464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who
disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe
to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking
money, killing people or violating what God has made it
unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”
7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must
give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet
Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.
8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those
who harm you and is said to have commanded , “Do not be
people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat
you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you
will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do
good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do
evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice
toward people even where they have reason to be angry with
them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from
being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
pls I WILL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE VERSES FOR KILLING UNJUSTLY IN THE QURAN

finofaya: So you know your incantations. Carry on. I am protected by the impotence of your juju.

honeychild: @Lucario007
This is not a debate about whether Islam is better than. Christianity. It's about Muslims trying to say violence isn't enjoined in their religion.

Now to your point:

1. I am in 100% agreement with the Bible when it says women should be silent in church. Women on the pulpit is not permitted by the Bible.

2. The "genocides" recorded in the Bible was a judgement on the inhabitants of Canaan. Canaanite culture was one of the most depraved in human history.Their cculture involved child sacrifice amongst others. God had taken note of their depravity since the time of Abraham. But he waited 400 years until their cup of iniquity was full. He then decided to remove them from his face, using the Israelites.

3. I am a married woman and I am 100% in support of submission to my husband. It makes for a peaceful and happy home.

finofaya: OP your madness don full dey trowey

annyplenty: If you observe the level of sin people are committing all over the world, you will agree that some unclean spirits are moving men/women to a new level in iniquity. Strange and weird behaviours are coming up on daily basis.

Dont be caught unawares. There are a lot of evil spirits all around. Only the blood of Jesus can provide a full cover.

AS it was in the days of Noah, so it is now. In the days of Noah, many people were also possessed with unclean spirits so much that God said He would not allow His Spirit to contend with man any more.

Emusan: Back to Allah swear.

Before I proceed any further I'll like to address the issue of why people swear at all, why do persons swear by appealing to God?
The purpose for swearing by God, or in God’s name, is to call him as our witness and the judge of our honesty and sincerity in what we are saying.

The implication is that if I am lying, or if I am not keeping my word, then God may hold me accountable and punish me. I.e. this is attributing superhuman knowledge (knowing my thoughts and heart) and power (to punish) to the one I'm swearing by.

Thus, properly speaking only Deity can actually be appealed to for the guarantee of my intentions and thoughts.

Therefore it is blatant idolatry, or to introduce a different term, deification, to use the name of anything else besides God in swearing.

The questions that need a thoughtful respond are;
1) Does God need to swear?
2) If God can actually swear, what does it need to swear with?
3) Can God swear with what He Himself created?
4) Is it reasonable for God to be swearing by inanimate objects that can't hold Him account for His action?

If we can able to provide an accurate answer to these questions then our understanding about God will be right.

Comparisons between YAHWEH and ALLAH in taking OATH

YAHWEH:
"and said, ‘By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son,’" Genesis 22:16

"I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow…" Isaiah 45:23

"The LORD has sworn by His right hand and by His strong arm, ‘I will never again give your grain as food for your enemies; Nor will foreigners drink your new wine for which you have labored.’" Isaiah 62:8

"I swear by Myself, says the LORD." Jeremiah 22:5

"But hear the word of the LORD, all Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says the LORD, ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives."’" Jeremiah 44:26

In all these verses YAHWEH never swear by anything other outside Himself. This next one solidify everything;

"For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself." Hebrews 6:13

No where YAHWEH ever swear with an inanimate objects or anything He created and He also urged everybody not to swear by anything outside Himself because it's only Him who can bear us witness to whatever we do.

ALLAH:
Even though Allah didn't permit anyone to swear with anything other than himself BUT Allah failed to yield his own instruction.

Narrated 'Umar:
The Prophet said, "If anybody has to take an oath, he should swear ONLY by Allah." The people of Quraish used to swear by their fathers, but the Prophet said, "Do not swear by your fathers." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 177)

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle met 'Umar bin Al-Khattab while the latter was going with a group of camel-riders, and he was swearing by his father. The Prophet said, "Lo! Allah forbids you to swear by your fathers, so whoever has to take an oath, he should swear by Allah or keep quiet." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 78, Number 641-Bold & underline mine)

This instruction is well also in line with Biblical instruction in taking oath but did Allah follow his own instruction?

And I swear by thy Lord, we will surely gather together them and the Satans: then will we set them on their knees round Hell: S. 19:68 Rodwell

"[Abraham supposedly says] I swear by GOD, I have a plan to deal with your statues, as soon as you leave." S. 21:57 Khalifa

u]By the Lord then of the heaven and of the earth,[/u] I swear that this is the truth, even as ye speak yourselves. S. 51:23 Rodwell

But nay! I swear by the Lord of the Easts and the Wests that We are certainly able S. 70:40

We can see Abraham following the instruction of Allah but who is the Lord that Allah sworn by?

Here are few verses where Allah sworn with what he supposed to create and inanimate objects.

I swear by the Book that makes manifest (the truth). S. 44:2

Qaf. I swear by the glorious Quran (that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah) S. 50:1

I swear by the wind that scatters far and wide, S. 51:1

I swear by the heaven full of ways. S. 51:7

I swear by the Mountain, S. 52:1

I swear by the star when it goes down. S. 53:1

But nay! I swear by the falling of stars; S. 56:75

Noon. I swear by the pen and what the angels write, S. 68:1

But nay! I swear by that which you see, S. 69:38

You may want to argue that Muhammad is one who actually repeating all this as being told by Allah then that means Muhammad contradicts himself or Allah deceived Muhammad by saying no one should swear with anything other than Allah.

To swear or not to swear, that is the question –
A Translation Problem in the Quran

In other to avoid this problem some English translations contradict themselves
Here is one example

Sura 56:75
Nay, I swear by the places of the stars – Pickthall

Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars, - Y. Ali

But nay! I swear by the falling of stars; Shakir

Nay, I cite as proof the shooting of the stars – Sher Ali

NAY, I call to witness the coming-down in parts [of this Quran] Muhammad Asad

I do not need to swear by the setting of the stars Muhammad Sarwar

I swear by the positions of the stars. Khalifa

No! I swear by the fallings of the stars Arberry

I swear by the shelter of the stars N.J. Dawood

So I will not swear by the positions of the stars; Palmer

It needs not that I swear by the setting of the stars, Rodwell

Moreover I swear by the setting of the stars; Sale

Rodwell, Palmer, and sarwar contradict the rest.

Sirniyeh: trash, a self deception

Sirniyeh: Now, what is the SIN of those who don't believe in Jesus at all?

bolaino: lol, yes I do not believe in hell, and you shouldn't too, but after all is said and done, life's an individual experience. I wish you a wonderful life experience my good man, I know more about christianity than you would ever know. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery my good man,

Sirniyeh: I dont need to argue with you unnecessarily. Read the article again and again, it clers itself and thats the real fact about the scenerio. Jesus is not Messiah of Isreal, though may be messiah of your own. Think right

Les: I can't be an atheist because even if Jesus ain't real, God is..... I'll simply find another way to worship God.

Les: I can't be an atheist because even if Jesus ain't real, God is..... I'll simply find another way to worship God.

Les: I can't be an atheist because even if Jesus ain't real, God is..... I'll simply find another way to worship God.

Les: I can't be an atheist because even if Jesus ain't real, God is..... I'll simply find another way to worship God.

macof: Very educative.

Mods this deserves front page

Les: here you're again adapting ur own doctrines again. And this one is way above the line unlike my last quoted post of urs. What's christianity and who's a christian? You can't call urself a christian and discard the basic concept of christianity which is the death of that white man named Jesus Christ. Bro, go find where you belong cause from ur posts, you're far from a christian. You called church a social gathering? My guy, you're not a christian. Go to my profile, i have a topic on this already. Hope it helps

doubleDx: But you do err sister; Jesus Christ was no white man! The skin color doesn't matter though, but "truth" still stands! Jesus is/was never white! The bogus Jesus AKA Cesare Borgia is the white Jesus most Christians worship today! That is why it's very wrong to bow to any image in worship....but you see people today bowing to paintings/images of Cesare Borgia as Jesus the Christ; knowing fully well that the word of the invisible God is against bowing to any image in worship! Smh...

There is a reason God the father gave Yahshua a "name" that is excellent and above all names....and not an image or skin color!

Romans 1: 22 - 23

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

^^^

Clearly there is no difference between anyone who would change the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like a corruptible man and pagans who worship animals and carved figures that represent their gods in stones and woods!

Attached is the image of the corruptible man

sexzskil: Looking at this scam called Christianity critically, the intelligent in mind will not find it hard in anyway to decipher that it is the greatest mind control tool in history. Free Masons who have conducted this religion since the beginning of times really planned and predicted how everything was to be. One of such is that this religion will be used to keep a future continent called Africa busy while the ''real'' elites of the world continue to work in the fulfilment of prophesies they have penned down in this ancient mystery, cult-created text which would latter be named the ''Bible''. Constantine came on the scene, several thousands of years later, and perfected the work in form of the ''gone and coming'' Christs, according to the instruction passed to him in the MITHRAIC cannon, through various spiralling links.

To be continued...

logicboy01: Bloody slave. Jewish slave. mtchew

Les: nice one. No doubt rapture is near but ur calculation is not ok by me. How can 6 days be like 6000 years to God. You're indirectly saying you measured God's time which's impossible and God's time is so slow that when a day goes by on earth, a 1000 years goes by in heaven If so, since Jesus been gone for 2014years, on earth but arrived approximately eight hundred million years In heaven?? As a good shepherd, can you leave ur flocks for that long? If na so, i no do abeg.
365 days = 1 year
2014 years = 365 * 2014 =735 110 days so far from the new testament church. * 1000 =735 110 000 years. In summary, i don't follow man's teching but biblical teachings. The bible says the rapture will come like a thief in the night. There was never any formula to calculate the date and time. What u posted there is just man's assumption and like i said earlier, i don't buy them. If i have any need for tutorship, Let God send his servant like he did to the ethopian eunuc or He send the comforter in form of the holy spirit. Anything other than? Is a big No. God's word must not be misinterpreted.

Abdulsalam20: I HAVE ALREADY PROVE U WRONG FOR THIS IN A THREAD WHICH EVEN MAKE U RUN AWAY PLS WHY DEFACING ISLAM?........THIS IS HYPOCRACY..........REFER TO THE THREAD AND IF U LIKE I CAN POST IT HERE FOR U AGAIN.......BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT U DID IS ANNOYING I HAVE PROVE U WRONG BUT U DONT WANT TO REALISE THE TRUTH.........