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Islam › Re: Muhammad(pbuh) In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 4:52pm On Sep 12, 2014
Abdulsalam20: Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians
and present verses from the Old Testament to them about
some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews
from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers
such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians
don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an
interesting statement.(just like what you did)
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the
Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New
Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old
Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to
be honored, followed and fulfilled.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.(just like what you said)
jesus come to fulfilled the law, how?by taking full control of the law.how did jesus take full control of the law? When the people ask him who they are to pay tax to? And he say"give to ceaser what is ceaser and to God what is God"for the people to ask him this question mean that he take full control of the law.the old testament has the ten commandment, the first five is about worshiping God and the other's five is about loving your fellow human. But in the new testament jesus break it to two.
1. WORSHIP GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND MIND;if you love God you will worship Him alone.
2.LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF;if you love your neighbour, you will not kill or molest him. So now we see the law in the new and old testament are still the same but the difference is in the new testament God judge us with righteousness and grace,
RIGHTEOUSNESS ;if you believe in Jesus christ, the Lord righteousness will dwell in you, you will not sin.
GRACE;as a human, we are not perfect if we sin and genieuly repent God will give us his grace and forgive us.


The arab live by the law denying the righteousness and grace of God, by implementing sharia law.
Islam › Re: Muhammad(pbuh) In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 8:05am On Sep 12, 2014
Abdulsalam20: IN ADDITION SEE HOW U DISGRACE WOMEN
Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and Molests her and they
are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of
silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives."
(This verse was taken from the NIV Bible. The NIV Bible is
the most trusted and used Bible among Trinitanian
Christians. Many other authors of other bibles were
ashamed of this verse and changed the words "Molests her"
to words like "lay hold on her" or "seizes her and lies
down with her" . Other Bibles like the WE Bible removed
this verse completely, which is a total corruption !.)
One must ask a simple question here, who is really
punished, the man who Molested the woman or the woman
who was Molested? What is to prevent someone from finding
the best looking woman in town, Molesting her, telling
everyone about it, and then having the courts force her to
be his wife for the rest of her life?
We all hear about "date Molests" here in the US and Europe.
If the Christian groups from the "Army of God" who blow
abortion clinics in the US, or the owners of
www.godhatesfags.com ever rule their churches over the
state, then we will see things such as men brutally Molesting
the women they sexually desire the most on their dates,
then take these women to court and sue them and prove
that they Molested them. Then marry them by force, and
continue Molesting them for the rest of their natural life.
This might sound harsh and mean to you, but in reality, it
is all allowed in the Bible, and this is how it would be if the
church from the Fundamentalist Christians rule over the
state. In the middle centuries, women in the Christian
societies had absolutely no value !!. They were only sex
objects controlled and played with by their masters, the
men.
Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his
daughter as a slave girl , she will not go out in the way
that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes
of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a
concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be
entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously
dealing with her."
Here in this verse we can see that fathers can easily and
freely sell their daughters as slaves to other men. The
other men are free To Molest the daughters if they wish to do
so.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together
(in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has
come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one
(to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand
and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin) ,
she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of
the men must feel no sorrow. "
One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why
should the wife who is trying to save her husband from
brutal beating by another man get both her hands cut off?
and why should we not have any mercy on her? Does this
sound inspired from God to you? Be honest with yourself.
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she
profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth
her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. "
Why a priests daughter be burnt in fire just because her
father is a priest if she decides to act like a LovePeddler? Is
this
fair? Should it make a difference whether or not a girl's
father is a priest or not?
Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of
sin, and through her we all die." (from the Catholics
Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a
loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman
Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than
75% of the Christians population throughout the world.
Why should the Bible give silly (with all respect to you)
generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Leviticus 12:2-5 , if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then
she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a
baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This
verse is another proof that women in the Bible are disliked
to be born !.
Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and
whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will
escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was
still searching but not finding, I found one upright man
among a thousand but not one upright woman among
them all". The Bible claims that it is impossible to find a
single good woman among a thousand women.
Let us examine the following two verses from the book
Leviticus:
Let us look at Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has intimate
relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and
you must kill the animal."
Let us look at Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an
animal to have intimate relations with it, kill both the
woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads."
Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught
having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to
death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the
doubt to kill him.
Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only
looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having
sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do
not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt
with her in order for us to kill her.
It is beyond question that Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus
20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to
death whenever an opportunity presents itself!
Also, who determines whether she was approaching the
animal for sex or not?
What ever happened to the "Beyond the shadow of the
doubt" court law!!
Further more in the Bible:
Genesis 3:12-16 "And the man (Adam) said, The woman
(Eve) whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the
tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the
woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman
said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the
LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done
this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every
beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust
shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity
between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and
her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy
sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring
forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee."
this is old testament law,jesus has already come and fulfilled it by making t simple for us to follow.
1.LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART;if you love GOD WITH all your heart , you will not worship other gods beside Him.
2.love your neighbour as your self;if you love your neighbour you will not molest her/him.
Islam › Re: Muhammad(pbuh) In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 7:45am On Sep 12, 2014
cloudstar: I asked you to choose one subject matter so we can discuss. Your problem is that you are all over the place. If you decide to keep the debate coherent, I will engage you. So, pick one subject matter in the Bible and let us discuss it. Pick one verse and I will respond to you. I will do the same with the Quran
that is why I stop replying him, when you exposed his lies on one verse, he will bring another verse.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 11:53pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja. can't you see the how the hadith you copy and paste make allah weak? Allah ask muslims to pray 50 times but moses intervene and say 50 is too much until it was reduce to 5 times, MOSES KNOW MORE THAN ALLAH?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 11:47pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: he no he will send the complete book that he will protect which is the quran
so allah fail to protect the book giving to jesus, thank you, this is what I want to here.

Even the quran got satanic verse.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 11:44pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: olodo Allah said we should pray and he establish is for the prophet is the hadith



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كتاب الصلاة
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Prayers (Salat)
(1)
Chapter: How As-Salat (the Prayer) was prescribed on the night of Al-Isra (miraculous night journey) of the Prophet (pbuh) to Jerusalem (and then to the heavens)
(1)
باب كَيْفَ فُرِضَتِ الصَّلاَةُ فِي الإِسْرَاءِ
وَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو سُفْيَانَ فِي حَدِيثِ هِرَقْلَ فَقَالَ يَأْمُرُنَا- يَعْنِي النَّبِيَّ- صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِالصَّلاَةِ وَالصِّدْقِ وَالْعَفَافِ.

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zamzam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it. Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' He asked, 'Is there anyone with you?' Gabriel replied, 'Yes, Muhammad I is with me.' He asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel said, 'Yes.' So the gate was opened and we went over the nearest heaven and there we saw a man sitting with some people on his right and some on his left. When he looked towards his right, he laughed and when he looked toward his left he wept. Then he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' He replied, 'He is Adam and the people on his right and left are the souls of his offspring. Those on his right are the people of Paradise and those on his left are the people of Hell and when he looks towards his right he laughs and when he looks towards his left he weeps.' Then he ascended with me till he reached the second heaven and he (Gabriel) said to its gatekeeper, 'Open (the gate).' The gatekeeper said to him the same as the gatekeeper of the first heaven had said and he opened the gate. Anas said: "Abu Dhar added that the Prophet (ﷺ) met Adam, Idris, Moses, Jesus and Abraham, he (Abu Dhar) did not mention on which heaven they were but he mentioned that he (the Prophet (ﷺ) ) met Adam on the nearest heaven and Abraham on the sixth heaven. Anas said, "When Gabriel along with the Prophet (ﷺ) passed by Idris, the latter said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' The Prophet (ﷺ) asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Idris." The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "I passed by Moses and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious brother.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Moses.' Then I passed by Jesus and he said, 'Welcome! O pious brother and pious Prophet.' I asked, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Jesus. Then I passed by Abraham and he said, 'Welcome! O pious Prophet and pious son.' I asked Gabriel, 'Who is he?' Gabriel replied, 'He is Abraham. The Prophet (ﷺ) added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik said: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then Gabriel took me till we '' reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundary) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk."
حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ بُكَيْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ يُونُسَ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ كَانَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ يُحَدِّثُ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏"‏ فُرِجَ عَنْ سَقْفِ بَيْتِي وَأَنَا بِمَكَّةَ، فَنَزَلَ جِبْرِيلُ فَفَرَجَ صَدْرِي، ثُمَّ غَسَلَهُ بِمَاءِ زَمْزَمَ، ثُمَّ جَاءَ بِطَسْتٍ مِنْ ذَهَبٍ مُمْتَلِئٍ حِكْمَةً وَإِيمَانًا، فَأَفْرَغَهُ فِي صَدْرِي ثُمَّ أَطْبَقَهُ، ثُمَّ أَخَذَ بِيَدِي فَعَرَجَ بِي إِلَى السَّمَاءِ الدُّنْيَا، فَلَمَّا جِئْتُ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ الدُّنْيَا قَالَ جِبْرِيلُ لِخَازِنِ السَّمَاءِ افْتَحْ‏.‏ قَالَ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا جِبْرِيلُ‏.‏ قَالَ هَلْ مَعَكَ أَحَدٌ قَالَ نَعَمْ مَعِي مُحَمَّدٌ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏.‏ فَقَالَ أُرْسِلَ إِلَيْهِ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ فَلَمَّا فَتَحَ عَلَوْنَا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا، فَإِذَا رَجُلٌ قَاعِدٌ عَلَى يَمِينِهِ أَسْوِدَةٌ وَعَلَى يَسَارِهِ أَسْوِدَةٌ، إِذَا نَظَرَ قِبَلَ يَمِينِهِ ضَحِكَ، وَإِذَا نَظَرَ قِبَلَ يَسَارِهِ بَكَى، فَقَالَ مَرْحَبًا بِالنَّبِيِّ الصَّالِحِ وَالاِبْنِ الصَّالِحِ‏.‏ قُلْتُ لِجِبْرِيلَ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا آدَمُ‏.‏ وَهَذِهِ الأَسْوِدَةُ عَنْ يَمِينِهِ وَشِمَالِهِ نَسَمُ بَنِيهِ، فَأَهْلُ الْيَمِينِ مِنْهُمْ أَهْلُ الْجَنَّةِ، وَالأَسْوِدَةُ الَّتِي عَنْ شِمَالِهِ أَهْلُ النَّارِ، فَإِذَا نَظَرَ عَنْ يَمِينِهِ ضَحِكَ، وَإِذَا نَظَرَ قِبَلَ شِمَالِهِ بَكَى، حَتَّى عَرَجَ بِي إِلَى السَّمَاءِ الثَّانِيَةِ فَقَالَ لِخَازِنِهَا افْتَحْ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهُ خَازِنُهَا مِثْلَ مَا قَالَ الأَوَّلُ فَفَتَحَ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ أَنَسٌ فَذَكَرَ أَنَّهُ وَجَدَ فِي السَّمَوَاتِ آدَمَ وَإِدْرِيسَ وَمُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَإِبْرَاهِيمَ ـ صَلَوَاتُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْهِمْ ـ وَلَمْ يُثْبِتْ كَيْفَ مَنَازِلُهُمْ، غَيْرَ أَنَّهُ ذَكَرَ أَنَّهُ وَجَدَ آدَمَ فِي السَّمَاءِ الدُّنْيَا، وَإِبْرَاهِيمَ فِي السَّمَاءِ السَّادِسَةِ‏.‏ قَالَ أَنَسٌ فَلَمَّا مَرَّ جِبْرِيلُ بِالنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم بِإِدْرِيسَ قَالَ مَرْحَبًا بِالنَّبِيِّ الصَّالِحِ وَالأَخِ الصَّالِحِ‏.‏ فَقُلْتُ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا إِدْرِيسُ‏.‏ ثُمَّ مَرَرْتُ بِمُوسَى فَقَالَ مَرْحَبًا بِالنَّبِيِّ الصَّالِحِ وَالأَخِ الصَّالِحِ‏.‏ قُلْتُ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا مُوسَى‏.‏ ثُمَّ مَرَرْتُ بِعِيسَى فَقَالَ مَرْحَبًا بِالأَخِ الصَّالِحِ وَالنَّبِيِّ الصَّالِحِ‏.‏ قُلْتُ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا عِيسَى‏.‏ ثُمَّ مَرَرْتُ بِإِبْرَاهِيمَ فَقَالَ مَرْحَبًا بِالنَّبِيِّ الصَّالِحِ وَالاِبْنِ الصَّالِحِ‏.‏ قُلْتُ مَنْ هَذَا قَالَ هَذَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ ابْنُ شِهَابٍ فَأَخْبَرَنِي ابْنُ حَزْمٍ أَنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ وَأَبَا حَبَّةَ الأَنْصَارِيَّ كَانَا يَقُولاَنِ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ ثُمَّ عُرِجَ بِي حَتَّى ظَهَرْتُ لِمُسْتَوًى أَسْمَعُ فِيهِ صَرِيفَ الأَقْلاَمِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قَالَ ابْنُ حَزْمٍ وَأَنَسُ بْنُ مَالِكٍ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَفَرَضَ اللَّهُ عَلَى أُمَّتِي خَمْسِينَ صَلاَةً، فَرَجَعْتُ بِذَلِكَ حَتَّى مَرَرْتُ عَلَى مُوسَى فَقَالَ مَا فَرَضَ اللَّهُ لَكَ عَلَى أُمَّتِكَ قُلْتُ فَرَضَ خَمْسِينَ صَلاَةً‏.‏ قَالَ فَارْجِعْ إِلَى رَبِّكَ، فَإِنَّ أُمَّتَكَ لاَ تُطِيقُ ذَلِكَ‏.‏ فَرَاجَعْتُ فَوَضَعَ شَطْرَهَا، فَرَجَعْتُ إِلَى مُوسَى قُلْتُ وَضَعَ شَطْرَهَا‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَاجِعْ رَبَّكَ، فَإِنَّ أُمَّتَكَ لاَ تُطِيقُ، فَرَاجَعْتُ فَوَضَعَ شَطْرَهَا، فَرَجَعْتُ إِلَيْهِ فَقَالَ ارْجِعْ إِلَى رَبِّكَ، فَإِنَّ أُمَّتَكَ لاَ تُطِيقُ ذَلِكَ، فَرَاجَعْتُهُ‏.‏ فَقَالَ هِيَ خَمْسٌ وَهْىَ خَمْسُونَ، لاَ يُبَدَّلُ الْقَوْلُ لَدَىَّ‏.‏ فَرَجَعْتُ إِلَى مُوسَى فَقَالَ رَاجِعْ رَبَّكَ‏.‏ فَقُلْتُ اسْتَحْيَيْتُ مِنْ رَبِّي‏.‏ ثُمَّ انْطَلَقَ بِي حَتَّى انْتَهَى بِي إِلَى سِدْرَةِ الْمُنْتَهَى، وَغَشِيَهَا أَلْوَانٌ لاَ أَدْرِي مَا هِيَ، ثُمَّ أُدْخِلْتُ الْجَنَّةَ، فَإِذَا فِيهَا حَبَايِلُ اللُّؤْلُؤِ، وَإِذَا تُرَابُهَا الْمِسْكُ ‏"‏‏.‏
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 349
In-book reference : Book 8, Hadith 1
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 345
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Narrated `Aisha:

the mother of believers: Allah enjoined the prayer when He enjoined it, it was two rak`at only (in every prayer) both when in residence or on journey. Then the prayers offered on journey remained the same, but (the rak`at of) the prayers for non-travelers were increased.
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنْ صَالِحِ بْنِ كَيْسَانَ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ بْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أُمِّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، قَالَتْ ‏ "‏ فَرَضَ اللَّهُ الصَّلاَةَ حِينَ فَرَضَهَا رَكْعَتَيْنِ رَكْعَتَيْنِ فِي الْحَضَرِ وَالسَّفَرِ، فَأُقِرَّتْ صَلاَةُ السَّفَرِ، وَزِيدَ فِي صَلاَةِ الْحَضَرِ ‏"
I thought am talkin to an educated fellow . I say quran , you show me hadith.lol
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 11:12pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: Q-22:77
O you who have believe bow down and
prostrate yourselves and worship your lord do good things that
you may be successful

Q-29:45
Recite {o muhammed S.A.W} what have beenrevealed
to you of the book{Quran}and perform salat

B-Nehemiah8:4-6
And ezra thescribe stood on a wooden pulpit which they had
made for the purpose; and besidehim stood mattihi’ah
shema,anaiah,uri’ah,hilki’ah and pedai’ah,mish’a-
el,malchi’jahhashum,hashbad’danah,zechariah and meshul’lam
on his left hand and ezra openedthe book in the sitght of all the
people and when he opened it all the peoplestood.ezra blessed
the lord the great God and all the people answered amenamen,
lifting up there hands and bow there heads and worship the
lord withtheir face on the ground

B-numbers 20:6
The moses and aaron went from the presenceof assembly to
the door of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces and
theglorify lord appeared to them

B-genesis 17:3
then Abram fellon his face and god said to him

B-matthew26:39
And going alittle farther he fell on is face and prayed

B-revelation 7:11
And all the angelstood round the throne and round the elders
and the the four living creaturesand they fell on their faces
before the throne and worshipped God saying ameenblessing
and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honour and power
and migthbe to our God for ever end ever Amen


please on a serious note try to do more reserch to know what jesus really practice he no nothing about christianity paul exterblish it

may Allah show you is rit patch Amin
read my post again and reply me." show me were it say, pray 5times a day"
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 11:10pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: they hide it 4u and fabriate another by given it a new name bible but Allah gave ISSA the INJEEL the gospel of jesus for information jesus is ISSA
where is allah when men are changing his word? Is he Soo weak to guide it?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 11:08pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: the holy spirit have been existing before the birth of jesus so if he now prophesies the coming of what have been existing dose that make sense to you he prophesies the coming of the last prophet stop deceiving urself
dull muslim.
john 16:7. But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away.
Unless I go away, the Advocate will not
come to you; but if I go, I will send him to
you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and
righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going
to the Father, where you can see me no
longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands
condemned.

Now that I give you the verse were jesus left before sending the comforter, the holy spirit, why not repent accept the Lordship of jesus and be amoung the SON'S OF GOD.

About sin because people do not believe in ME, do you believe in jesus christ? If yes, enter your mosque and shout jesus christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 10:49pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: upon all the evidence have given u stiil want to die as an unbeliever

ALLAH reveal the quranic verse to muhammed telling him what jesus said to the children of Israel
Allah say in muhammad quran. He allegedly give jesus a book. Where is the book? If the book is nowhere to be found, is allah Soooo weak that he can't protect his book?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 10:45pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: where did jesus said is the lord and serviour that he is a christian that u should go to church on sunday and we did the quran said you should worship jesus
ask the jews, why jesus was crucified?
Because he claim to be God, and when
pontius pilait ask him, is it true? He did
not deny it.

Show me in the quran were allah ask all muslims to pray 5 times a day.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Evidences That Show That Jesus Is Prophet Not Lord by malvisguy212: 10:44pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: where did jesus said is the lord and serviour that he is a christian that u should go to church on sunday and we did the quran said you should worship jesus
ask the jews, why jesus was crucified?
Because he claim to be God, and when
pontius pilait ask him, is it true? He did
not deny it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 10:41pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) - سورة البقرة

2:18
Sahih International
Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return [to the right path].
because thou was an advocate of the devil and if anytin cometh out of thin mouth is of no use to me, satan they Lord rebuke thee, get behind me.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 10:39pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: jesus was not crucified

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Qur'an, 4:157)



Deuteronomy 21:23English Standard Version (ESV)

23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God.
so allah descive the jews?

the book of isaiah say," he took up my sorrow and carry my infirmity , he was bruise and spit on, yet we we esteem him not, he was taking to the slaughter like a sheep yet he open not his mouth" all this he did for me and you, why? Because I am curse and condemn, BUT JESUS BECAME A CURSE SO THAT I WILL BE MADE FREE, HE CARRY MY SORROW AND PAIN.

It amuse me that muslims don't no the deep things of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 10:22pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: 2 Peter 1:20King James Version (KJV)

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
blind and dull muslim, witout understanding,
2peter1:20 .Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private
interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God
spake as they were moved by the Holy
Ghost.

Muhammad even know what holy spirit is? Muhammad is a sinner, the holy spirit cannot dwell in a sinner, the holy spirit became active when jesus has left,from the 12 disciples goes down too the 500 apostle , they were all moved by the holy spirit, NON OF THEM COMMIT SIN OR FIGHT WAR, THEY NEVER LAID HAND ON ENEMY, THEY FOUGHT SPIRITUAL BATTLE. But muhammad fought physical battle, commit sin continuously even sleep wit 9years old aisha, I tell you the truth brother , muhammad was not from God, he was sent by satan to divert the gospel of christ. Repent and be save, it easy , you don't have to take a ritual bath like muslim do, just confess jesus and be save.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 10:02pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: where did jesus said he is lord?
ask the jews, why jesus was crucified? Because he claim to be God, and when pontius pilait ask him, is it true? He did not deny it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 9:56pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: you lack understanding Allah was telling muhammmed [s.a.w] about all the prophet sent be him use brain before you start argument
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 9:56pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: you lack understanding Allah was telling muhammmed [s.a.w] about all the prophet sent be him use brain before you start argument
your knowledge of the word of God is Soooo weak, only God can open your understanding.the verse say" we gave him[abraham] isaac and jacob" the verse was talkin about the generation of abraham to jacob i.e..abraham begat isaac and isaac begat jacob.ishmeal was not amoung the generation he was from arab.ishmeal descendent has no PROPHETHOOD,
I repeat, MUHAMMAD IS A FALSE PROPHET.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 8:57pm On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: John 8:32English Standard Version (ESV)

32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”





1 Corinthians 1:25King James Version (KJV)

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.





your scripture said your lord sometime behave foolishly
no need to reply you, your are spiritualy blind. This book is for you. The book of isaiah 6: 8-13" Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will
go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” 9 He said, “Go and tell this people: “‘Be ever hearing, but never
UNDERSTANDING ;
be ever seeing, but never PERCEIVING .’ 10 Make the heart of this people CALLOUSED;
make their ears DULL
and close their EYES.[a] Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.” 11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?” And he answered: “Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged, 12 until the Lord has sent everyone far away
and the land is utterly forsaken. 13 And though a tenth remains in the land,
it will again be laid waste.
But as the terebinth and oak
leave stumps when they are cut down,
so the holy seed will be the stump in the
land.”
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 7:56pm On Sep 11, 2014
Emusan: They just want to force their false prophet into Bible without even scrutinized their own book very well.
Imaging PROPHETHOOD was placed in Isaac line yet Muhammad was a PROPHET from Ismael line....confuse people.
when someone is spiritualy blind, they will defend lies with everytin they've got. Thank you friend, God bless you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rejoice With Me...i Am Now Born Again! by malvisguy212: 8:04am On Sep 11, 2014
op. For you to have a very deep thought of living witout believing in God show's the insecurity of athiest..........just one sentence for you....YOU CANNOT SAVE YOURSELF.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 7:51am On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: THE FUNNIEST MAN ON EARTH
muhammad is in hell, according to your hadith and quran.you can save your self now that you still have hope, just confess the Lordship of they Lord jesus and be save.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 7:39am On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: SEE HOW U SAY WHAT QURAN DOSE NOT SAY DIDU THINK IT IS BIBLE THAT CONTAIN 50,000 CONTRADICTION FALLACY INCONSISTENCY ANACHRONISM E.T.C


Surat Al-`Ankabūt (The Spider) - سورة العنكبوت
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29:27
Sahih International
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.

WHERE DID YOU SEE MUHAMMED IS A FAKE PROPHET


OBADIAH 1:1 AND WE HAVE HEARD THE RUMOR FROM THE LORD

SO U COPY UR LORD THAT SAY RUMOR THAT IS WHY IS MUHHAMED IS A FAKE PROPHET GREATEST BLASPHEMY
are you blind? You read witout understanding, that is how you read the quran
29:27
Sahih International And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and
placed in his descendants PROPHETHOOD
and scripture. And We gave him his
reward in this world, and indeed, he is in
the Hereafter among the righteous.
IS MUHAMMAD FROM THE DESCENDANT OF ISAAC AND JACOB?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 7:33am On Sep 11, 2014
tola9ja: ALLAH DOSE NOT PROMISE TO PROTECT ANY BOOK EXCEPT QURAN AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BLASPHEMY YOU ALL SAY ABOUT THE QUR'AN STILL ENCOURAGE MANY UNBELIEVER TO JOIN ISLAM SO CONTINUE TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU WHAT JESUS REALLY PRACTICE
allah recommend the gospel and torah to muhammad , which mean it is his word, if the gospel and torah is not allah word he would'nt have recommended the book to muhammad.and now you guys say the gospel and torah has been change, here is a verse in the quran read.....quran 6:115.Sahih International
And the word of your Lord has been
fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can
alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the
Knowing.
When you guys say the gospel and torah has been change, your making Allah a weak god because he fail to protect his word.
Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Solidarity: What Are Christians Doing? by malvisguy212: 10:15pm On Sep 10, 2014
eyeopener: I am a Christian by His Grace. But in my christian experience, I have discovered that there are always strifes and disaffection among Christians despite Jesus repeated admonitions to love one another. It is rare to see a Christian help another because he/she is a Christian. In the Lord Jesus' prayer He said He did not pray for the world but those given to him (John 17:9).

Muslims who do not have such admonitions either from allah or Muhammad take loving one another a serious matter, especially among the same sect.

Various other cults take solidarity so seriously to the extent that when they are stranded, anywhere, as soon as they sight their signs, they would stop to help. Even in court, if a judge sights an occult's sign from a person, he will turn the case in the member's favour.

Please note that united we stand in unity of faith the better and safer for us.
true talk Bro,know this that whatever you do,God will bless you,everytin you do it is between you and God. Satan don't have anytin to do with his children [muslims]he only pay attention to the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD.just take up your cross and follow christ.
Islam › Re: What The Quran-bashers Don’t Want You To Know About The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:00pm On Sep 10, 2014
logicboy01: So Jews and Christians are special? huh
that the question for Allah. Why only the jews and christian? What about other's?
Islam › Re: What The Quran-bashers Don’t Want You To Know About The Bible by malvisguy212: 5:51pm On Sep 10, 2014
Rilwayne001: Saul repeatedly repented for his “failure”:

15:30 Saul replied, “I have sinned. But please honor me before the elders of my people and before Israel; come back with me,so that I may worship the Lord your God.”

And God was sad that He had chosen such a sissy to be king:

15:35 The Lord repented that He had made Saul king over Israel. shocked shocked

Saul was stripped of his kingship because he spared the lives of some animals and also king agag , the kingship was given to David –who was frankly just much better at killing civilians. In fact, all the Israelite chicks fawned over David for being a more proficient killer; all the girls wanted him and all the guys (including Saul himself) wanted to be him:

18:6 When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines and lutes.

18:7 As they danced, they sang: “Saul has slain his thousands, and David his tens of thousands.” shocked shocked

18:8 Saul was very angry; this refrain galled him. “They have credited David with tens of thousands,” he thought, “but me with only thousands. What more can he get but the kingdom?”

18:9 And from that time on Saul kept a jealous eye on David.

Certainly, killing thousands just doesn’t cut it. The mass murderer field is just so saturated, that you really need to kill tens of thousands to be considered competitive for Heaven University. No wonder Samuel felt like an absolute idiot for sending a sissy to do a man’s job; realizing this, he cleaned up Saul’s mess:

15:33 Samuel put Agag to death before the Lord at Gilgal.

King Agag was not the only one who was killed: God was so upset over the whole not killing everybody thing that He killed Saul and his three sons. The prophet Samuel explained to Saul why this was his fate:

28:18 Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today.

According to the Jewish texts (as reproduced on p.76 of Vol.11 of The Jewish Encyclopedia), Saul had protested the commandment to “utterly destroy” the Amalekites, saying:

For one found slain the Torah requires a sin offering [Deuteronomy 21:1-9 ]; and here so many shall be slain. If the old have sinned, why should the young suffer; and if men have been guilty, why should the cattle be destroyed?

What Saul didn’t realize was that obeying the Lord’s commandment– in this case to kill women and children–was more important than anything else. The Bible explains the reason for Saul’s demise:

1 Chronicles 10:13 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD. He failed to obey the LORD’s command …

One can only imagine the reaction of the Islamophobes like truthman2012, malvisguy212, eyeopener et al.–had the Quran glorified genocide in this way. In fact, they can never cite verses in the Quran that promote, sanction, or justify genocide–because they simply do not exist. Indeed, there are explicit statements of the Prophet Muhammad forbidding the killing of women and children.

How about Moses, Joshua, Samson, and David in the bible?
Still coming to write about them..
all the names you mention fought people that worship idol,but muhammad wage war on jews and christian. YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why I'm Glad I Am No Longer A Muslim by malvisguy212: 7:41am On Sep 10, 2014
macof: Words of Jesus ..."do not think I came for peace, I came to bring violence, and cause a father against son, mother against daughter, families against each other"
this prophecy is being fulfilled, today we see mother hate daughter because she accept jesus, because of jesus a family is at war because one of them convert to christianity.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 5:37am On Sep 10, 2014
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from
among their brethren, like unto thee, and
will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall
command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my
words which he shall speak in my name, I
will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume
to speak a word in my name, which I have
not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How
shall we know the word which the Lord
hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor
come to pass, that is the thing which the
Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet
hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt
not be afraid of him.
Let me give you several reasons why The God of the Bible doesn't choose men that
sleep with 9 year old girls as his prophets: 1. When Muhammad began receiving
revelations, his first impression of these
revelations was that they were demonic -
The prophets of God knows the voice of
God and when He calls them. They can
clearly distinguish between demons and the one true God
2. Muhammad was so traumatized by his
encounter with "Gabriel" that he
repeatedly tried to commit suicide by
hurling himself off a cliff - The prophets
of God are not suicidal, they don't try to kill themselves because God spoke to
them.
3. According to Muslim sources,
Muhammad once delivered a revelation
from the devil (the "Satanic Verses" - The
God of the Bible doesn't tell His prophets that it is okay to worship idols and
worship Him as well. Christians don't
engage in idolatry and Paganism, they
believe in the one true God.
4. Muhammad claimed that he was a
victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs -
The true God prophets don't fall under
magic spell or juju. We don't deal with
juju in the Bible, neither does God
prophets deal with juju or are influenced
by juju. 5. Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring
unconditional obedience to him and by
requiring Muslims to talk to him during
their daily prayers - Only God is to be
adored, honored and worshiped. Muslims
have given Mohammad the ascension of God and free of error when in truth he
was a sinner
6. Mohammad said if a man sleeps with
his wife and Erupt.s 1st, the child will look
like the man. If the woman Erupt.s 1st,
the child would look like the mother - Genetics and DNA are the reasons we
resemble our parents and intimate
pleasure has nothing to do with it.
7. The Qur'an affirms the inspiration,
preservation, and authority of the Jewish
and Christian scriptures (3:3-4; 5:43-47; 5:68; 6:114-115; 7:157; 10:94; 18:27; etc.).
Yet our scriptures plainly declare that
Muhammad is a false prophet and an
antichrist. Problem?
8. In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill
Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation.
When Muhammad died, he said he could
feel his aorta being severed.
9. The central argument for the
inspiration of the Qur'an is the
"Argument from Literary Excellence," which is absurd on multiple levels.
10. The Qur'an claims that Alexander the
Great and Aesop were devout Muslims -
Una no sabi history. Alexander the great
was a pagan
11. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly
changes his eternal mind about his
eternal Word via abrogation
12. The Qur'an is missing at least two
verses in which Allah commands grown
women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent intimate misconduct.
13. Muhammad had sex with a
prepubescent nine-year-old girl named
Aisha - How can Mohammad then be the
one mentioned in Deuto 18:18. God
prophets don't sleep with children 14. Muhammad married the divorced wife
of his own adopted son (after Muhammad
caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers
an absurd defense of Muhammad's
actions.
15. When Muhammad's wives asked why he was giving special privileges to Aisha,
he justified his actions by saying that he
received revelations while wearing
Aisha's dress! - God condemns men that
wear women clothing and women that
wear men clothing. If you want more reasons why
Mohammad is not mentioned or inferred
in the Bible and why he is not a prophet
to Christians or Jews; I will be happy to
oblige your ignorance and stupidi.ty
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 5:29am On Sep 10, 2014
Another Tafsir by Ibn Kathir on Surah
19:71: Narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated
by Ibn
Ayena narrated by Amru who told us that
he heard Ibn Abbas feud with Nafi Ibn Al-
Azraq regarding the meaning of, 'Entering (Al-wurood).' He said it meant
'Entering (Hell),' but Nafi disagreed. Thus
Ibn Abbas read (Surah 21:98) "'Verily ye,
and the gods that ye worship besides
Allah, are but fuel for Hell! To it will ye
surely will enter (Wardan),' and asked did they enter or not? He also read (Surah
11:98) 'He will go before his people on
the Day of Judgment, and lead them
(Awrada-hum) into the fire: but woeful
indeed will be the place (Wird) to which
they are led (Al-mawrud)!' Did they enter or not? As for you and I, we will enter it
but let us see if we will exit from it and I
don't see Allah taking you out of it
because you lie (regarding its meaning)."
Nafi then laughed. Narrated by Ibn Jarir,
narrated by Atta who stated that Abu Rashid Al-Harury,
who is called Nafi Ibn Al-Azraq, said,
"They (the believers) will not hear hell's
roar." So Ibn Abbas responded, "Woe to
you! Are you insane? What of Allah's verse
(Surah 11:98) 'He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead
them (Awrada-hum) into the fire,' and
also the verse (Surah 19:86) 'And We shall
drive the sinners to hell being lead
(Wirdan)'? And also the verse (Surah
19:71) 'Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it'? By Allah, the
supplication of those who lived previously
used to be, 'O Allah take me out of hell
fire peacefully and allow me to enter
paradise victorious.'" (Tafsir by Ibn
Kathir on Surah 19:71, Translated from Arabic) Source: Ministry of Islamic Affairs,
Saudi Arabia. Who is Ibn Abbas? Ibn
Abbas (618 C.E.-687 C.E.) was a paternal
cousin of the
Prophet Muhammad. He is revered by
Muslims for his knowledge. He was an expert in Tafsir (exegesis of the Qur'an),
as well as an authority on the Islamic
Sunnah. He knew exactly how Islamic
terms are understood and applied. And
according to him, all Muslims, including
Muhammad, will enter and taste Hell- fire. Let the Qur'an itself give us a
classification of the "Islamic Hell": Surah
74:28-30: "It leaveth not (any thing
unconsumed), neither doth it suffer (any
thing) to escape: It scorcheth men's flesh:
Over the same (are) nineteen (angels appointed)." (Sale) It is sad that all
Muslims are waiting for
this "fiery destiny." As stated, Muhammad
is in Hell. But what about Jesus Christ?
Concerning Jesus Christ, the Qur'an itself
testifies in Surah 4:158: "But Allah took him (Jesus) up unto
Himself and he is in the heavens." (Hilali-
Khan) Jesus is in Heaven. And concerning
the followers of Jesus Christ, the Qur'an
states: Surah 3:55: "Behold! Allah said: 'O
Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself
and clear thee of the falsehood of those
who blaspheme; I will make those who
follow thee superior to those who
disbelieve until the Day of
Resurrection." (Yusuf Ali) Allah said: "O Jesus! I am going to recall you (from your
mission) and raise you up
to Myself. I will clean you of those who
rejected you and exalt your followers
above the unbelievers until the Day of
Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return and I shall judge those matters in
which you have been disputing. (F. Malik)
The above statement in the Qur'an reveals
the superiority of those who follow
Jesus.Those who follow Jesus are
Christians. Of course, this does not apply to those who are Christians in name only
but to those who are his true faithful
followers. These are the ones who will be
exalted. They are exalted, not because of
any personal superiority on their part but
on account of truly submitting to the teachings of Christ as it is revealed in the
Holy Bible. According to the above
Qur'anic verse,
Christians will be "exalted" or made
"superior" until the Day of Resurrection.
The Day of Resurrection or Qiyamah refers to the "time of the end." For Christians to
be exalted until the time of the end, it
logically follows that true Christianity
must remain as a religion in this world
until the "time of the end." For true
Christianity to remain as a religion in this world until the "time of the end," true
Christians must be present in this world
until the "time of the end." For true
Christians to be present in this world until
the time of the end, they must have a
righteous standing with God until the "time of the end." For them to have a
righteous standing with God until the
time of the end, they must be guided
righteously until the "time of the end."
For them to be guided righteously until
the time of the end, the Holy Book in their possession must remain true until the
"time of the end." For the Qur'an to
testify that the followers
of Jesus Christ will be made "superior to
those who disbelieve until the Day of
Resurrection," the above detailed stages regarding the favorable standing of
Christians must be accomplished
precisely. And this would vitally include
the integrity of the Bible which is in their
possession. The above Qur'anic verse
proves beyond any doubt that the Holy Bible is indeed
sufficient for the outworking of the
Christian's salvation, both now and in the
future. Thus, we can be confident that the
teachings of the Bible will remain as the
authoritative guidance for mankind for all eternity. Therefore, the claim that the
Qur'an was sent to replace the Bible or
that the Bible is corrupted is a deliberate
lie. Concerning the Holy Bible, it is stated:
2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is given
by the inspiration of God and is profitable for teaching, for reproving, for setting
things straight, for instruction in
righteousness,that the man of God may
be fully competent, completely equipped
for every good work." If the Bible can
provide such an encompassing knowledge of salvation for
mankind, would there then be a need for
another book to show us the truth about
God? Islamic leaders discourage their
followers from reading the Bible. Muslims
will do well to consider the teachings of the Bible. Their eternal salvation depends
on it. The path to salvation cannot be
found in the path that leads you to Hell,
even momentarily. Sadly, most Muslims
have chosen to follow
the recitation of a single, 7th century illiterate whose book is the direct
opposite of how God chose to reveal the
way of salvation over a period of 1600
years by means of the inspired accounts
of numerous prophets and legions of
witnesses. Surah 19:71 must be extremely disturbing to Muslims, who can
only look forward to Hell-fire immediately
upon their death. If Christians are made
superior until the
Day of Resurrection as the Qur'an itself
testifies, where do you think will be their final destination? Muslims should
seriously consider whom they want to
follow, the one who is in Hell or the one
who is raised up to be with God in
heaven? And they must also consider
whom they want to worship - Allah who promises "Hell-fire" or Jehovah who
promises "Eternal life"? The difference
between Allah of the Qur'an and Jehovah
of the Bible is that Allah promises Hell-
fire for his worshippers while Jehovah
promises Eternal life. Allah, Muhammad, Islam and the Qur'an make it clear that
"Hell" is a certainty for all Muslims. Does it
have to be your destiny too? Certainly not.
You can choose to follow the true God
who will show you the way to everlasting
life. However, Muhammad's destination is not the only theological problem for
Muslims to contend with. We will now
look at another Islamic historical account
of Muhammad that should trouble
Muslims. The Bewitched Prophet The
validity of Islam is closely linked to the reliability of Muhammad. The Qur'an
testifies in a number of places that Satan
will not be able to harm any of Allah's
righteous servants. Surah 15:39-42: (Iblis)
said: "O my Lord! Because Thou hast put
me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them
on the earth, and I will put them all in the
wrong, - Except Thy servants among them,
sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)." (God)
said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is
indeed a way that leads straight to Me. For over My servants no authority shalt
thou have, except such as put themselves
in the wrong and follow thee." (Yusuf Ali)
This Qur'anic verse clearly proclaims that
Satan will have no authority over Allah's
servants. If this verse is true, then it means that Satan or the demons will not
be able to exercise any influence over
Muhammad - the foremost servant of
Allah. Thus, at no instant should
Muhammad come under the power or the
spell of the demons. This should be especially true during his career as the
Prophet of Allah. This is the full inference
of Allah's reply to Satan in the above
Qur'anic verse. However, the following
Hadiths clearly show that Muhammad was
bewitched: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 490: Narrated By 'Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet so that
he began to fancy that he was doing a
thing which he was not actually doing.
One day he invoked (Allah) for a long
period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as
how to cure myself. Two persons came to
me (in my dream) and sat, one by my
head and the other by my feet. One of
them asked the other, "What is the
ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked,
'Who has bewitched him?' The other
replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first
one asked, 'What material has he
used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair
gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first
asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied,
'It is in the well of Dharwan.' "So, the
Prophet went out towards the well and
then returned and said to me on his
return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the
devils." I asked, "Did you take out those
things with which the magic was
worked?" He said, "No, for I have been
cured by Allah and I am afraid that this
action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up
with earth. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8,
Book 73, Number 89: Narrated By 'Aisha:
The Prophet continued for such-and-such
period imagining that he has slept (had
intimate relations) with his wives, and in fact he did not. One day he said, to me, "O
'Aisha! Allah has instructed me regarding
a matter about which I had asked Him.
There came to me two men, one of them
sat near my feet and the other near my
head. The one near my feet, asked the one near my head (pointing at me), 'What
is wrong with this man? The latter
replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.'
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71,
Number 660: Narrated By 'Aisha : Magic
was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had intimate
relations with his wives while he actually
had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest
kind of
magic as it has such an effect)…." Sahih
Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400: Narrated Hisham's father: 'Aisha said, ",
so he invoked Allah repeatedly requesting
Him to cure him from that
magic)." The above Hadiths unmistakably
state
that "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle" and "Allah's Apostle was
bewitched." How could evil overtake the
"Seal of Prophets"? Why was Allah unable
to protect his Prophet from the influence
of the demons as he had promised in
Surah 15:42? The verse states: "For over My servants no authority shalt thou (Iblis)
have, except such as put themselves in
the wrong and follow thee." Since the
Qur'an states that Satan can only exercise
power over those who
follow him, does not this prove that Muhammad was a follower of Satan?
Asbab Al-Nuzul by Ali ibn Ahmad Al-
Wahidi, Q. 113-114: (Say: I seek refuge in
the Lord of the
Daybreak…) [113:1-5] The commentators
of the Qur'an said: "The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace,
had a Jewish servant boy. The Jews
approached him and kept after him until
he gave them some fallen hair from the
Prophet, Allah bless him and give him
peace, as well as a few teeth from his comb. The Jews used these to cast a spell
of black magic on him. The person who
was behind this was the Jew Labid ibn al-
A'sam. He then put the hair in a well
belonging to Banu Zurayq called Dharwan.
The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, fell ill for a period of
six month, during which the hair of his
head fell off; he imagined that he slept
with his wives when he did not, and was
withering away without knowing the
reason. As he was one day sleeping, he saw two angels coming to him. One of
them sat at his head and the other at his
feet. The angel who sat at his head asked:
'What is wrong with the man?' The
second angel responded: 'A spell of black
magic was cast on him'. (Source: Altafsir.com) Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah:
"From B. Zurayq: Labib b. A'sam, who
bewitched the apostle of God so that he
could not come at his wives." (Ibn Ishaq,
Sirat Rasul Allah - The Life of Muhammad
-Translated by A. Guillaume, p. 240). Guillaume's footnotes states that
according to a Muslim scholar, the spell
lasted for a year. Lubaid bin Al-A'sam was
a Jewish
magician from the tribe of Bani Zaraiq. It
is important to note that this incident occurred after Muhammad migrated and
settled in Medina. Muhammad's arrival in
Medina took place during the thirteenth
year of his prophetic career. This means
long after he became a prophet, he
succumbed to the control of demons. By this time Muhammad had accumulated a
number of wives. Think for a minute,
Muhammad is supposed to be receiving
revelations from Allah and he is supposed
to be the greatest among Allah's
prophets. Yet, Muhammad was so bewitched that for at least six months or
even nearly a year he came under the
control of demons and he believed he was
having intimate relations with his wives,
when in reality he did not do so. Details
on this event are also provided in Ibn Sa'd's "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book
of the Major Classes), Volume 2, pages
244 to 248. Here is a relevant quote: "The
apostle of Allah fell ill. He was bewitched
about women and food. ...There were
eleven knots [in the hair from the comb]. The two Surahs no.
113 and 114 were revealed to him. No
sooner did the apostle of Allah recited a
verse than a knot loosened. When all of
them were loosened, he regained his
urge for food and women." Muslims take pride in saying that Surahs 113 and 114
cured Muhammad from the Jewish spell.
Firstly, this claim is in itself an admission
that Muhammad was
bewitched. Otherwise, why was there a
need to cure him from the influence of the demons? Secondly, a true prophet of
God is not even supposed to be affected
by sorcery in the first place. The Bible says
that God's servants will not come under
demonic control such as sorcery because
of the protection of Jehovah over them: Numbers 23:23: "There is no sorcery
against Jacob. No magic can harm Israel."
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 5:21am On Sep 10, 2014
tola9ja: whosoever said you are fool will be liable to hell fire and jesus you fool and blind
IS MUHAMMAD IN HEAVEN OR HELL? The
truth about Islam has been one of the
world's best-kept secrets. But things have
changed. With the advent of the Internet,
it is now impossible for Muslims to keep
the dark teachings of Islam a secret. People are now becoming aware of the
true nature of Islam and Muslims are
unable to silence everyone. The entire
structure of Islam is built upon the belief
that Muhammad was mankind's greatest
prophet. As such, we would expect Allah to reward him with heavenly bliss
immediately upon his death. Yet, Islam
itself teaches that following his death,
Allah's greatest prophet descended into
Hell. Consider now the evidences provided
by Islam. The Qur'an teaches that all Muslims, including Muhammad, will go
into Hell? Each time when Muslims make
a
reference to Muhammad, they say "Peace
be upon him." They say this to bless and
honor Muhammad. The command to add this blessing after mentioning
Muhammad's name is based on the
Qur'anic injunction that is found in Surah
33:56: Lo! Allah and His angels shower
blessings
on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a
worthy salutation. (Pickthall) However, in
order for Muslims to send
their blessings upon Muhammad, they
must know exactly where their Prophet is
right now. It might come as a shock for Muslims to know that according to the
most authentic Hadith in the Muslim
world and substantiated by a Qur'anic
verse, their beloved Prophet is in Hell.
Yes! The Prophet of Islam is in Hell. And
together with him are his pious followers who have passed away in death till now.
And Muslims who are living now will also
share the same destination when they
die. Unbelievable? Examine now for
yourself what the Qur'an and authentic
Islamic sources teach on this very crucial subject. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book
12, Number 770: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall
we see our Lord on the Day of
Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have
any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They
replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said,
"Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun
when there are no clouds?" They replied
in the negative. He said, "You will see
Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be
gathered and He will order the people to
follow what they used to worship. So
some of them will follow the sun, some
will follow the moon, and some will
follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites.
Allah will come to them and say, 'I am
Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in
this place till our Lord comes to us and
when our Lord will come, we will
recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They
will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call
them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid
across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the
first amongst the Apostles to cross it with
my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and
they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us.
O Allah Save us.' There will be hooks like
the thorns of
Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of
Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of
Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows
their greatness in size and these will
entangle the people according to their
deeds; some of them will fall and stay in
Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and
will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends
mercy on whomever He likes amongst the
people of Hell, He will order the angels to
take out of Hell those who worshipped
none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the
traces of prostrations, for Allah has
forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away
those traces. So they will come out of the
Fire, it will eat away from the whole of
the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come
out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The
Water of Life will be poured on them and
as a result they will grow like the seeds
growing on the bank of flowing water..."
Muslims may find the above narration incredible. Again, this shows the
ignorance of Muslims regarding their
religion. There is no ambiguity in this
Hadith. It clearly states that Muhammad
and his followers are in "Hell." According
to this Hadith, Muhammad is not in heaven but in "Hell," awaiting for the
arrival of the "Day of Judgment" to get
into heaven. And he will be the first to
cross the bridge with his followers to go
to heaven. Please note, this bridge (As-
Sirat) is "laid across Hell" and serves as an exit to heaven. Since the bridge is "laid
across Hell," Muhammad has to be in
"Hell" for the Hadith to speak of him as
being among the first to use it to come
out from there. The "Day of Resurrection"
or "Qiyamah" refers to the time of the end. This means,
even as you are reading this article,
Muhammad is in "Hell" awaiting to be
rescued. This fact is further substantiated
by the admission that even pious Muslims
who pray regularly will be consumed by fire, leaving only the "marks of their
prostration" untouched. According to the
above Hadith, the bodies of those in
"Hell" will be consumed by fire. "At that
time - the Day of Resurrection - they will
come out of the Fire as mere skeletons." In corroboration with the above Hadith,
the Qur'an says that all Muslims - every
single one of them - will be taken to Hell.
Surah 19:71: "It is the inevitable decree of
your Lord that every one of you will be
taken to hell." (Sarwar) "There is not one of you who shall not pass through the
confines of Hell." (Dawood) And the very
next verse tells us: Surah 19:72: "Then
(Thumma) We shall rescue those who
kept from evil, and
leave the evil-doers crouching there." (Pickthall) "Afterwards (Thumma)
we will deliver those who shall have been
pious, but we
will leave the ungodly therein on their
knees." (Sale) The word "Then" (Thumma)
used in this verse exemplify that there is a chronological order of events. First the
entry into Hell. "Then" being saved from
it. Note the wordings of Surah 19:72: "We
shall rescue those who kept from evil, and
leave the evil-doers crouching there." You
only"rescue" someone who is in some kind of danger. However, this rescue
operation will only take place on
"Judgment Day." Until then - for centuries
- pious Muslims will be
consumed by fire. Only the dark spots on
the skin of their foreheads caused by years of prostration to Allah will escape
the effects of the fire. This is Allah's
reward for their faithful prayers to him.
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
"They (the angels) would recognise them
in the Fire by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of
the sons of Adam except the
marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden
the fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out of the
Fire having been burnt…" Al-Jalalayn's Tafsir on Surah 19:71 ("Not one of you but
will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord,
a Decree which must be accomplished" ,
gives the following clarification: "Not
one" means that there will be none. "Of
you" means all people. "But will pass through" means the entry into hell. "A
decree which must be accomplished"
means it is a certainty and a judgment
from which Allah will not relent.
(Translated from Arabic) Source: www.al- islam.com. Tafsir by Ibn Kathir on Surah 19:71: Surah 19:71: "Not one of you but
will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord,
a Decree
which must be accomplished." Imam
Ahmad narrated that Sulaiman Ibn
Harb narrated that Khalid Ibn Sulaiman narrated that Kathir Ibn Ziad Al- Barsani
narrated that Abu Sumaya said, "We
differed about the meaning of 'Passing
through it' (wari-duha). For some of us
said that no believer will enter hell and
others said all (people) shall enter it and then Allah will save those who have done
righteousness. Then I met Jabir Ibn
Abdallah and I informed him that we
differed about the meaning of, 'Pass
through it,' and he replied that, "Everyone
shall enter it." (Tafsir by Ibn Kathir on Surah 19:71, Translated from
Arabic)
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Said Jesus Is Liable To Hell Fire by malvisguy212: 5:13am On Sep 10, 2014
tola9ja: as you can see how the bible say bad thing about jesus we muslim cant say that bad things to prophet of god and for your information jesus is a muslim and practice islam
1 Thessalonians 5:21King James Version (KJV)

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
all this bible verse you are quoting, do you believe it is the original gospel allah say he give to jesus? If no, produce the original gospel,Allah say he give jesus a book, were is the book?
or is allah is weak to protect the gospel?.

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