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tola9ja: Matthew 10:34-36English Standard Version (ESV)
Not Peace, but a Sword

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

tola9ja: Matt 15:23-24: "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Matt 10:23: "Their mission limited to Israelites".
Matt 1:21: "Jesus came to save his people".
Matt 19:28: "Ten disciples to judge the twelve tribes of Israel". WHO WILL JUDGE NIGERIANS AND OTHER NATIONS?
From all these proves, It is obvious that CHRISTIANITY IS MEANT FOR ISRAELITES ONLY.

tola9ja: TRY TO DO ALOT OF RESEARCH AND FOLLOW WHAT JESUS REALLY PRACTICE (ISLAM PEACE) WHEN IS IN THE WORLD JOHN 14:27 PEACE I LEAVE WITH YOU

maclatunji: Hahahaha... He got beat.

eyeopener: Thank you brother for your useful contributions. God bless you. Please let us not fall into their plan to derail the thread by answering questions not related to it. That is what they do whenever they cannot have no answer.

I always feel happy when I learned you have a muslim background and have received God's mercy.

tola9ja: Matthew 5:22King James Version (KJV)

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Matthew 23:17English Standard Version (ESV)

17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?

boykas: @all I av been followin dis thread since. Bt eyeopener kindly answer dos questions and believe me I will answer u kindly.
If u no u don't want to hide cuz u r d one hiding here is far as ds thread is cncern. No insult.

Kingharzyz: mr man tell us how Jesus met Paul and mark ? the writer who know nothing about the man called Jesus...quote me with proves!

maclatunji: Hahaha... you never cease to amuse me. That loss of Jesus' gospel is a problem of Christians not Muslims. The Torah is not the Bible either. Do Christians need to produce the Torah to be Christians? No.

The Bible is authored bty people, it is clear. Do you read God speaking directly in it? No. You only read "God said".

Help yourself to differentiate http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_in_Islam

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, "the books" is a
canonical collection of texts sacred in Judaism and Christianity .
There is no single "Bible" and many Bibles with varying contents
exist. [1] The term Bible is shared between Judaism and Christianity,
although the contents of each of their collections of canonical texts
is not the same. Different religious groups include different books
within their Biblical canons, in different orders, and sometimes
divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into
canonical books.

The Hebrew Bible , or Tanakh, contains twenty-four books divided
into three parts: the five books of the Torah ("teaching" or "law",
the Nevi'im ("prophets", and the Ketuvim ("writings". Christian
Bibles range from the sixty-six books of the Protestant canon to the
eighty-one books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon. The first
part of Christian Bibles is the Old Testament, which contains, at
minimum, the twenty-four books of the Hebrew Bible divided into
thirty-nine books and ordered differently from the Hebrew Bible. The
Catholic Church and Eastern Christian churches also hold certain
deuterocanonical books and passages to be part of the Old
Testament canon. The second part is the New Testament , containing
twenty-seven books: the four Canonical gospels, Acts of the
Apostles, twenty-one Epistles or letters, and the Book of Revelation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

If you Christians do not have an authentic Bible, is it Muslims that will give you one?

eyeopener: You asking me questions when all of you couldn't attempt mine?

Allah talks about a Book given to Jesus:

Where is that Book and let's compare it with the present Bible?

Who wrote it?

What was allah doing when men prevailed and changed his words?

Was it that allah could not trace the original of his Scripture and had to present Quran?

Allah himself said "not all the people who distorted the Scripture, meaning some had the genuine, why not present the same Scripture instead of introducing another?

Despite allah being angry with the Jews and Christians cursing them, he still promised to reward them in heaven, why was he inconsistent?

If the Book the Christians practice is good enough for them to be granted heaven, why the introduction of islam?

So many, so many deceptions.

Rilwayne001: @OP, Paul is the chief author of the NT, yet jesus never met him


Paul contradicted jesus in so many places, he lied about what was written in the OT. yet this *kafir* @OP said the Quran justify all those balderdash in the buybull.

maclatunji: OP, the Qur'an refers to the Injil not the Bible written by people. You have failed miserably by quoting the Qur'an out of context.

Learn to reason better.

plaetton: WTF are you blabbing about?

You lost me on that one.

Do you try at all to make connections between what we are discussing and these incoherent outbursts?

lepasharon: What Allah got to do with this? I'm not Muslim dude so you need to change ur story bro. If you believe Islam has pagan practices. Christianity doesn't ?

The belief in a Trinity
A virgin conception
Turning a man into a deity

ALL pagan

plaetton: Yeah,it's very easy for me to understand that you don't understand anything, anything at all about the religion you profess.

OMG!
This one is for the record books.

This guy is saying, with cheerful eagerness, that there were christian saints during the time of Jesus.

What more can I say?
I give up.

@malvisguy,
You are the most confused christian i have had the displeasure of discussing with.
You don't understand your religion, you don't your bible, and yet you try to patch everything into an incoherent babble.

plaetton: You still get it , do you?
This is the problem with cognitive dissonance, it blocks certain pathways to critical thinking.

The bible said that the earth opened up and the saints rose and walked, did it not?
That is clear enough in simple english. I do not need wuru wuru interpretations, sir.

Now, the point which you artfully dodged is still staring you in the face.

Which saints rose from the dead?
Where they christian Saints or Judaist Saints?

Do you know the meaning of saint?

" In Christianity, "saint" has a wide variety of meanings, depending on its usage and the denomination. The original Christian usage referred to any believer who is "in Christ" and in whom Christ dwells, whether in heaven or in earth.[3] In Orthodox and Catholic teachings, all Christians in heaven are considered to be saints, but some are considered to be worthy of higher honor, emulation, or veneration, with official church recognition given to some saints through canonization or glorification."

I remind you that christianity, church and the idea of sainthood started few hundred years after the supposed ascension of Jesus.
From the above, there could not have been dead saints at the time of Jesus' death or resurrection, unless of course, the christian saints had traveled back 400yrs in time to play zombie apocalypse for the Jesus passion drama.

Do you get the gist now, buddy?
This was obviously an error , an embarrasing error that the bible scripture forgers of 4th century AD did think very well about before writing it down.

plaetton: You still get it , do you?
This is the problem with cognitive dissonance, it blocks certain pathways to critical thinking.

The bible said that the earth opened up and the saints rose and walked, did it not?
That is clear enough in simple english. I do not need wuru wuru interpretations, sir.

Now, the point which you artfully dodged is still staring you in the face.

Which saints rose from the dead?
Where they christian Saints or Judaist Saints?

Do you know the meaning of saint?

" In Christianity, "saint" has a wide variety of meanings, depending on its usage and the denomination. The original Christian usage referred to any believer who is "in Christ" and in whom Christ dwells, whether in heaven or in earth.[3] In Orthodox and Catholic teachings, all Christians in heaven are considered to be saints, but some are considered to be worthy of higher honor, emulation, or veneration, with official church recognition given to some saints through canonization or glorification."

I remind you that christianity, church and the idea of sainthood started few hundred years after the supposed ascension of Jesus.
From the above, there could not have been dead saints at the time of Jesus' death or resurrection, unless of course, the christian saints had traveled back 400yrs in time to play zombie apocalypse for the Jesus passion drama.

Do you get the gist now, buddy?
This was obviously an error , an embarrasing error that the bible scripture forgers of 4th century AD did think very well about before writing it down.

finofaya: Lol. You say that judgment of dead righteous people is reserved for the second coming. What of the dead unrighteous ones; do they get judged at once? If they do, then by extension the righteous ones have been judged at once, since allowing them to 'sleep' means they are certified okay for heaven.

plaetton: @Alphpa

Don't forget the Zombie apocalypse that occurred immediately after Jesus crucifixion. The bible says that tombs opened and dead Saints() arose and walked the streets.
Lol.

The bible forgot to tell us what happened afterwards, like whether they went back into graves or whether they blended withe rest of humanity or even sired children. lol

The liars of the bible, however, forgot that there were no dead saints at the time of Jesus. Christian Saints came about 400yrs later.
Evidence that the bible is no more than a collection old wive's tales.

scosco1: Paul quotes Greek poet's praise to Zeus:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Tit 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Tit 1:13 This witness is true....

Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken.
For every street, every market-place is full of Zeus.
Even the sea and the harbour are full of this deity.
Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus.
>>> For we are indeed his offspring... (Phaenomena 1-5) by Aratus
310 BC – 240 BC240 BC

Minos praises Zeus-
They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one--
>>>The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou are not dead. Thou livest and abidest forever,
>>>For in thee we live and move and have our being.
Epimenides - "Cretica" 6th century BCE (?)

Zikdik: You're trolling this thread.
Above lies evidence of plagiarism on the part of Paul. What do you have to say about that?

plaetton: Yes, the early church fathers were confronted with the obvious similarly of the myth of Jesus with the historical life of Apolonius of Tiara.
My referring to Jesus does not confer historicity on him.

Now, which historian put his name on a calendar??

It is so unfortunate that you guys know sooooo little about the religion you profess.

Let me educate you a bit.
When Christianity became part of the holy roman empire, the emperors simply adopted the supposed birth of Jesus as the beginning of the calender years. First by Julian and then later by Gregory.

The fact that Rome chose an arbitrary year and date to begin the calender is in no way a proof that Jesus existed at all, nor that any historian recorded his life.

plaetton: No evidence, zero, zilch, kpondo edivence whatsoever.

plaetton: Thanks for your vigilance.
I had always known that Paul was a fraud, these acts of plaguerism is just one more proof.

Paul also mimicked Apolonius of Tiara , a historical figure who would have been contemporary of Jesus. Apolonius of Tiara traveled, taught and did a lot of the things credited to Jesus.
When confronted with these facts, the early church fathers reasoned that the devil sent Apolonius of Tiara before Jesus to mimick Jesus in order to confused mankind.
Excellent logic, indeed!

JesusisLord85: How shall we study to know the truth?

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

You have not the understanding of the law and the prophets. And you want to tell me what is being revealed in the epistles. Joker.

JesusisLord85: Haha. No I cannot be an atheist. I am an Israelite. A great people who shall be raised up AGAIN at the last day.

My thread is there. So I will not play this game of answering questions that a whole thread sought to make clear. This is how we get off topic and into one of your many christian rabbit holes.

The thread is about Israel. Christ came for Israel. That is all.

Shalom

cloudstar: Omo, you are the one pissing me off right now. I opened the thread to get some insight why a group that claims to be Islamic i.e. they call themselves the Islamic State, their leader has a PHD in Islamic studies, they pray 5 times a day, they grow beards like Mohammad did.

So, I am asking anyone that has insight some insight why they claim ISIL/ISIS are not Islamic. All you have done is ignored the question I asked and started talking about something different. I asked a simple question, if you can't answer it why did you bother responding to the post.

Again, if you have no answer, please sit down and shut up.

JesusisLord85: w

Firstly, did you read the post I referred you to? It is really that you should reply, I realised it is a big enough topic it deserves more explanation.

I cannot watch a film directed by the men who enslaved my people. What truth can I glean from them.

When the oyinbo tells you something, it must be true. Yet your own brother is teaching you truths and precepts, and you don't want to hear. You want him to watch a movie about the white Jesus they created, and you want me to believe a doctrine contrary to what is spoken of in the law and the prophets.

It shall not be done.

Shalom

JesusisLord85: Look at this infant talking.

I made a thread to thrash out this topic in full, rather than small bites. Read and understand.

https://www.nairaland.com/1891372/god-loved-world-casting-down

Proverbs 18:13 "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

ignis: Please, am confused, what is the purpose of this thread?

lepasharon: How can Christianity be recognised by God when it has pagan origins ?