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chemystery:
Sure, i agree to all that. I want to agree god is infinite, i also want to agree he created heaven and earth.
But knowing too well heaven is god's dwelling place which he created alongside earth, i want to know where god was dwelling before he created his dwelling place - which is heaven.

Genesis 1:1
in the beginning (time) God created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter).

we read in the epistle of Paul were he refer were God dwell as the third heaven:
2Corinthian 12:2
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.

there is nothing imply in genesis one that God created his own home, the reason you think like this is because you are only looking for fault and not truth.

Isaiah 57:15
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
s “I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

chemystery:
Lol....nothing was created then, nothing existed then, so no single where was in existence before we start talking of every-where

can a spirit be created ?

Origin:
Seems its the Jesus part that is paining you, such that you wrote Yahweh in small letters.

God has a name in every tribe every nation, just because you call him Yahweh or Jehovah does not mean He becomes truer.

When I'm in the mix with my God I call him Olorun in Yoruba, Chineke in Igbo, Allah in Hausa/ Arabic.

I know you are just been mischievous about the above analogy but still keep up the good work.

God in Hausa is ubangeji. Allah is Muhammad god, the true God has already delivered His message of salvation to the world before Muhammad came, that why Muhammad never hear direct from God, for God did not call him.

NorthernParrot:
Sorry bro... But seriously you need education. You are ignorant of Islam and writing about Islam makes you more ignorant. Learn to shut yourself in events you have no idea

you said I am ignorance of Islam ? if you forgive the sin you brother committed against you, but you still keep it as a record, can we really say you have forgiven him ? don't worry worry I will open a thread about this very soon.

he join a religion were sin is not completely forgiving. if allah use scale to judge everyone good and bad deed on judgment day, can the muslim confidently say that Allah has forgiving them ? the Quran teaches that Allah will judge everyone sin committed by pious or sinful Muslims

Surah 21:47: And We set the scales even in Day of Judgment admitting of no deviation and We judge with absolute justice and accordingly no soul shall ever be wronged in the least. Every deed, good or bad, will We present with precision even if it be as light or as little as a mustard seed. Enough are We in putting the law in execution.

The fact that Allah could weigh “every deed, good or bad” committed by Muslims during their lifetime proves that Allah has not forgotten or forgiven their sins. Since the purpose for keeping a detailed record of the sins of an individual is to render judgment, it shows that the sins of the Muslims are neither forgiven nor forgotten by Allah. Even the sins of pious Muslims are not exempted.

Demmzy15:
Is it that you're having mental problem? Who's talking about a suicide bomber? Have you met a suicide bomber that he told you all this?

Show me where suicide is allowed in Islam, why is it so hard for you?

And you are yet to show me also where your bible disallowed suicide.

very funny Muslim, so we are not talking about suicide bomber now ? why did even quote me in the first place ? why only in Islam people were explosive bomb to blew themselves in the midst of crowd ? were did they get this idea from ? what is there promised for committing this act ? don't shift the argument ? my first post was talking about suicide.

Demmzy15:
You're a dunce!!! Who's talking about suicide bomber? I said give me a verse of the Qur'an that says you should commit suicide, why is it so hard for you?!

all the verses I provide, suicide bombers use it to justified their killing, were do they get this ideology from ? or are you reading a different Quran from the one they read ?

Demmzy15:
What are saying na? Where you not the same person that said south kaduna Christians are allowed to defend themselves(which involves killing their enemies, if necessary) so Muslims can't do the same under the same context?

How does this verse even permit suicide? A murderer is liable to be executed under Islamic law, if it were to be in saudi arabia, all those boko haram commanders in Nigerian prisons would be executed!

You've failed once again Mr.

why are you pretending ? is this ignorance or what ?the suicide bomber, are they defending themselves ?

Demmzy15:
Excuse me sir!!!! None of the verses you posted from the Qur'an says you should kill yourself, it talks about a legitimate jihad every able Muslim should participate in under a leader.

Give me where Allaah and Prophet Muhammad said you should kill yourself and give me where the bible said don't commit suicide!

Samson committed a similar crime to suicide bombing when he destroyed the temple and everyone beneath it, over 2000 people were killed(the same with 9/11) and your god aka Jesus did nothing to prohibit it!

Surah 17:33: “And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right.”

what's right a muslim have to take life ? all the suicide bomber, where do they get there inspiration from ? this people get there inspiration from the Quran .

Demmzy15:
The verse never said you should strap a bomb and blow up yourself. The verse is talking about legitimate jihad every able Muslim should participate in under a leader.



The answer to your question is @underlined!



This is not suicide, hope you know the meaning of suicide? Killing yourself deliberately!



We're not talking about modern day jihadists, I despise them. I need you to show us where in the Qur'an or Hadith suicide is recommended as Samson did in the bible



Allaah said:“And do not kill yourselves. Surely, God is Most Merciful to you.” (Quran 4:29)

Prophet Muhammad(Salallahu Alayhim Wa Salam) said: "Whoever kills himself with something in this world will be punished with it on the Day of Resurrection." Bukhari wa Muslim

So Mr. Malvisguy212, can you show us where your bible explicitly prohibited suicide?

first, I did not ask question, I provide direct prove from the Quran and hadith , majority of this suicide bombers are Muslims, were did they get this idea from ?
Muslim terrorists are indoctrinated by an evil ideology. This evil ideology is indoctrinated with such precision and efficiency that in most cases there is no turning back to sanity. Therefore, any terrorism prevention effort must begin with a clear understanding of what motivates the terrorists and transforms them to become mindless killers. Unless a physician can identify the disease, it will be impossible to cure the patient. It is futile to treat the symptom and not the disease. Worse still, if you cannot even name your enemy, how can you defeat them?

see, in Islam, it is not how one's live that gurrantee salvation but how one's die:
Surah 9:111: “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” (Yusuf Ali)

the above Qur’anic verses clearly teach that Allah rewards the Muslims who “slay and are slain” for the cause of Islam. Let us now consider another interesting verse in the Quran:

Surah 17:33: “And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right.”

what right does a muslim man have to kill people who are not Muslims ?

if the Bible support suicide, why are there no Christians suicide bomber ? the ten commandment condemn all killing including suicide.

Demmzy15:
You're not answering my question Mr. You made a proclamation that suicide is allowed in Islam and I asked you to give me a scriptural proof not from your bible but from the Qur'an and Saheeh Hadiths.

Fact is, there's no single verse from the Bible that prohibits suicide, I'm challenging you to dispute this fact!

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

the verse say " who sell their life of this world for the other " what does it mean, no wonder, only in Islam we see how people died for the cause of Allah via suicide.

Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."

This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death

Christ has already given us eternal life, Christians don't blew themselves up in the midst of crowd , because we value life.
John 10 :28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

this is Jesus own word.

Demmzy15:
Can you give us scriptural proofs?!

1 Corinthians 15:26
the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

all the suicide bombers in Islam, were do they get this inspiration from ? they were promise heaven and eternal comfort with beautiful women, this is were they get their inspiration from.

Afamed:
Your grammar though, and tomorrow your type will hold Jamb responsible for your failure. Between how many of your 40days and nights fasting are u able to observe year in year out?

in Christianity, to fast and worship God must comes from your OWN will, in this way, we will knows who really want to worship God in spirit and truth. but when you make it compulsory, even people who don't want to worship God will be force to worship, this is not the kind of worship God want. worship must come from your own will.

laadtech:
As a Christian that you are and with your self- acclaimed 40days fasting how many days have you fasted in your whole life boy?

to fast and meditate to God is foreign to Muslims.

isholex:
who is decieving who Islam does not meant 4 people like u b4 cos u knw not wot it feels to be Muslim

.Islam encouraged death by suicide and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

bamdly:
see how Dis 1 talk like werey
se Omo'lanke nie

did I lied ? you Muslims miss only lunch. I was born into Muslim family so I knows all this.

vedaxcool:
Hypocrite was planning to scam the ummah. My guy see fasting liver failure come catch am haha haha ha

Good riddance to bad rubbish pray God help him to find legitimate means of surviving instead of false conversion.

you woke up around 5am eat very well......then you miss lunch.....and then you eat again around 6:30pm and you call this fasting ? very funny Muslims.

chukwuaustin:
I, Chukwuma Austin Dike hereby renounce Islam, I will on Sunday be rededicating my life back to God in Anglican church.I am renouncing Islam because of tribalism, Isis operations in Nigeria and because I have excaped 7 assassination attempts by Muslims.5 times in the mosque at Mabushi abuja and in kano;on the day corpes of fulani herdsmen was discourverd in Abia state.The last one was inside American embassy in Abuja.Thier is no Islam in Nigeria what we have is fulani agenda. I pity any non fulani or at least kanuri practicing islam in Nigeria u are nothing but a slave.for more details go to my face book page search for Chukwuma Austin Dike u will see the video
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why did you do that in the first place ? don't you know that Islam offer no hope for salvation ? how can your bad deed outwight your evil deed ? God will judge all sin, God has no scale in measureing sin. my brother, salvation is something ONLY God can do, and God has already done it, salvation is of thy Lord. the different between Jesus and Muhammad is life and death, Jesus offer life. check my profile and read my topics. welcome back home brother.

mizbride2be:
Oh lord, with the same hand I used to type to express my doubt in you, with the same month, heart I used to say horrible things about you. AM SORRY LORD.

sometimes He say yes and sometimes He say no, but others times He say wait. what did you feel ? did you feel like wait or do you want to do things your own ways ? did you want to reject God ? why did you chose to serve God ? to solve your problem or you love Him ? God is not bound to answer our prayer, He chose when to answer, let me give you an example:

Matthew 15:22, "And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."

this is a gentile woman run unto Jesus for help, did Jesus answer her ? No

continue...
Matthew 15:23-26, "But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, SEND HER AWAY; FOR SHE CRIETH AFTER US. But he answered and said, I am not sent
but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, HELP ME. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to
cast it to dogs."

first, Jesus ignored her and leter, Jesus insult her, this food is not for you, you dogs. now, what happen if the woman keep silent and get angry ?she keep on pressing on:

Matthew 15:27, "And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

Matthew 15:28, "Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, GREAT IS THY FAITH : be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole
from that very hour."

What's he talking about? He's talking about her boldness, her persistence, her drive, her energy, her willingness to hang in there and not give up on her daughter's sake. Sometimes we can find more faith for our children than we can for ourselves. This woman certainly did. Notice Jesus' response when he saw this kind of faith, this kind of persistent boldness. He said, “I'll give you anything you want!” And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. And Jesus told her that her bold, persistent, aggressive faith has saved her daughter. don't give lady, push on, God will come for you.

frank317:
When someone is called a freethinker you know why. You pretend u don't,that's wrong.

But let me indulge u.

Freethinkers in this 'contex' are people who don't allow themselves to be controlled by the dogmas of Religion

what bring you to the stage of a freethinker ? is a dicsition you take.In a universe where every succeeding action comes from a preceding event .to be an atheist is more of a belief, just like 'A' religion.

frank317:
Atheists are freethinkers...why are u comparing them with Christians? Are Christians freethinkers?

Did any atheist ever tell u they have a creator guiding them? The only reason why people are called athesits is because they do not believe in the existence of God because there is not prove of any God, and not if evolution is true or not.

don't decieve your self, there is NOTHING like freethinkers, being a freethinker that's imply a CHOICE.

God name be praise.

frosbel2:
How can one witness to a Deeper lifer? They know so much about the bible and even revere Jesus, but they erroneously believe that Jesus is God, a sort of blasphemy because God is one and only one.

who say God is not one ?

@ proudafrogal. I did not say this issue did not exist in Christianity, it does, in fact Jesus prophesied about it. what I am saying is that many religion has this same issue. there is some truth that you did not need a pastor to tell you if it wrong or right, gay is wrong, the speak heavily on it .

dalaman:
They are not doctrinal issues. I just have you a passage about how the world was created. Many christians disagree overy what was written. Just tell me the context of the creation account. Is it an allegory? Was the earth created in 7 literal days as the young earth creationist say or was it created in a very long period as the old earth creationist claim? Which is the true context?

don't shift the argument, do all atheists believe in spiritualism ? some believe in the big bang while other don't, some believe in evolution but others don't. is this not the same issue we have in almost all religion ?

dalaman:
What is the context of creation? Many christians say that the creation account is an allegory while others say that it is not. The young earth creationist insist that each day written in Genesis creation account is 24 hour day, others insist that the day is a long period. So which is the context and why are so many christians confused over it? What is the context here?

what you say is doctrinal issue, all religion had this same issue, hey!!! atheism is not left out, there are some atheist who still believe in spiritualism, what you gonna say about that ?

study to show therself approved unto God, when you study the bible with a teachable spirit, God will revealed the truth to you.

dalaman:
Just trying to tell you that there is nothing like context because even christians just interpret based on their own personal wimps. I've seen christians accuse each other of wrong interpretation always just the way the accuse atheist.

context does not exist In the bible ? I am very sure, in the next few days an atheist will say , his home does not exist. you guys are something els

dalaman:
Most christians do that. In fact that accounts for why there are many different sects in christianity today. I don't need to belong to any sect to.know that christians interpret the bible very differently all the time.

so atheists interpret it correctly.?

dalaman:
The very different sects within Christianity that are all over each other fighting understand context abi? We've seen christians interpret biblical verses very differently from.each other always. Where then is this elusive context brouhaha of yours coming from?

you make no point, do you belong to any Christian sect ? my point is, you cannot use one single verse to explain a whole context.

An2elect2:
Exactly. Just saying they are old and fulfilled might be giving more weight to their argument.

alright, how was your day going ?

An2elect2:
Yes they are old but there isn't anything wrong with them when looked at in context. Don't let mongers deceive you into thinking they are bad ie making God look like an ancient monster. Lol!!

who told you atheists read and understand context ? they pick one verse from every book and mix it together, then, they give their Interpretation .

old testament law which Christ has supersed and fulfilled for us.