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Nobody speaks Yoruba in Niger state.

Igala is Yoruboid but not mutually intelligible with Yoruba, they have been a distinct ethnic group since antiquity, and we have many of them who share same ancestry with many Igbo clans. They are not Yorubas.

Yorubas are not the majority in Kogi. They are a distant third behind the Igala and Ebiras there.

No part of Edo is Yoruba speaking.
Itsekiri is said to be Yoruboid, but not mutually intelligible with Yoruba, so I will close my eyes I give you lots that

In total, Yoruba has 6 states in SW plus 1/4 of Kogi and parts of Kwara, Itsekiri in Delta. A total of 9 states. Bearing in mind that Lagos is highly cosmopolitan and not entirely Yoruba.


Igbo speaking people has the five SE states, 1/3 of Delta, greater parts of Rivers upland, Parts of Edo( Igbanke), parts of Benue( Umuezekoha clan), few villages in Akwa Ibom.

Thats a total presence in 10 states.

* Bear in mind that Ndiigbo still has a huge presence in Lagos

This is not even a close contest. Yoruba was behind Ndiigbo in 1921, is currently behind Ndiigbo and will eternally be behind us. Case closed, Next!!!

reptile1:
Brown roof and gallop head

Confirm.

By their fruits, we shall know them.

They claim not to care about Igbos desire for self determination, yet they are the ones dying on top IPOB and Kanu mata!
Such a group of treacherous people. I have never seen before.

HungerBAD:
Interesting.

I see some writers below me celebrating this,as a Judicial Victory for the Renegade called Kanu, how is it a Victory if I may ask?

Kanu is still locked up,and from all indications there is no clear path to him getting out of Jail,and yet some funny people are celebrating.

Let Kanu's legal team,take the matter to the International Court to make a mockery of themselves.

What part of Kanu was actively soliciting for Arms and Soldiers openly to overthrow a democratically elected Government do the supporters of Kanu don't get?

Kanu has committed a treasonable felony,and that is why even the British Government will not touch him with a long stick(he is British by the way)

I see Kanu staying a very long time in Prison.

Guess his tribe?

codemaniacs:
The "d:angote" u refer is a person who is a front for a bigger corporation.

Most billionaires of today are fronts for the billionaires of the 1800s.

Reminds me of finch, in the series "person of interest".

The masters, the puppeteers, the brain boxes are always in the dark controlling things with front men.

How authentic is this news, I can't find other links backing the news.

How exactly is the fact that Biafra hired many foreign mercenaries who helped train most of our civilians into soldiers and did fought in the combat along us new info?

What exactly is wrong with Afonjas.

Why do they want to die on top Biafran matter?

honeychild:
You know the letter was not forged. The letter was published in a book while Ojukwu was still alive. It was widely distributed on social media while he was still alive. At least once even in a one line commentary, he should have denied it. He didn't. So it was true.

Liberators of the universe

Do you know how many falsehoods against Ojukwu and Biafra you shameless Yoruba people have published in books and circulated in social media?
Thousands!

You must think Ojukwu a stupid man to start engaging you non entities on your unending lies, the best answer to fools is silence.

If Banjo was alive and was the one who circulated the letter claiming that Ojukwu gave him such orders, then it's right that Ojukwu come out and put things right. But when a bunch of Yoruba non entities do what they were genetically wired to do Best, which is circulation of falsehoods, Ojukwu would be a stupid man to engage them.

We say in Igbo: " Onye Ana ekiri ekiri ada egwu aja!

And like Dede1 rightly pointed out:

" I can't meet you half way the wrong road".

I understand why believing in your falsehoods is appealing to you, it's in your genes as a Yoruba, so I wouldn't deny you that pleasure of believing in them. But I will be sure to let the world know that it's falsehood.

honeychild:
Hmmmm Biafrans the liberators of Africa and the developers of the world! Thank you very much, we didn't need this kind of "liberation"!
After they will say "Afonjas are trickish".

Go and sit down madam. No Biafran wrote such letter. It was your shameless treacherous Yoruba elders that forged that letter to make peace with their acceptance of eternal servitude to the Gambari throne in Sokoto.

Keep Ndiigbo out of your hallucinations.

SaffronSpice:
Am about removing the scales from your eyes.

1.The Nigeria Army has division sector HQs all over the country.
There's one in Enugu.What's new about that?

2.Nigeria comprises a lot of ethnic groups,no?
Were all of them involved in the ugly pogrom?
So why can't you face those you have a score to settle with?

3The Aburi Accord was held before Biafra was declared a sovereign state.It was not an agreement between Nigeria and Biafra.


The bold is a repugant lie you people are fond of chorusing .
What do you mean by there were not much Yorubas in the military?
Where is your proof?Back up your claim.

4.I asked you earlier: What do Yoruba stand to gain from fighhting Biafra.Answer me.

1. The moment we had Biafra, there ceased to be a Nigerian division in Enugu as they were are sent home with their weapon by Ojukwu.
If there was a Nigerian division in Yorubaland before the start of hostilities, it simply meant that Yoruba was part and parcel of Nigeria, and so can't feign neutrality.

2. All of them were not involved in the pogrom, but all of them were involved in the war to deny the Biafrans freedom as part and parcel of Nigeria.

3. Point taken. Which also means that the dispute was between the Eastern region that later transformed into Biafra and the rest of Nigeria, and not an Igbo vs North issue, cos if it was so, Eastern region delegates to the meeting won't have Eastern non Igbo groups in attendance and the Nigerian delegates won't have Yoruba, Bini, Urhobo, etc persons in attendance.

4. -If Biafra was allowed to secede, the Yorubas would have been trapped in a master- slave union with the North, one in which the North by her sheer population and power will rule forever whether via democracy or autocracy.

-Yorubas couldn't bear the thought of the Eastern region departing with the humongous crude oil wealth without them having a share in it. This in itself was a motivating factor that the Hausa- Fulani dangled as a carrot in front of Yorubas.

- Awo was an ambitions Man like Zik, who had visions of one day ruling Nigeria. He would rather have Nigeria intact than a divided one. His earlier frustration with Nigeria was all because he was forced to play third fiddle, once Gowon and the North promised to give him more power, he was more than happy to play along with their plans and even offered more treacherous demonic advices to them to end the war faster.
- You can aswell ask me what Yorubas stand to gain from fighting Biafra now, cause right from the day's of Uwazururike, the most visible group in social and print media, opposing Biafra, making mockery of the movement, giving us unsolicited advises on why we should stay part of Nigeria, are Yorubas.
So I ask you, why are Yorubas still fighting Biafra till today. A Yoruba man opened this thread with this Yoruba letter that was forged by shameless Yoruba elders just to gather negative comments against Biafra.

WHY ARE YORUBAS STILL FIGHTING BIAFRA TODAY.

Olabestonic001:
This is one of you guys greatest problem.
You just like running mouths like tap water. Either Nigeria with the help of British and USSR or whatever, Biafra lost that war! O, you thought wars are fought by men of platitudes? No sir! Wars are always dirty with a lot of factors in it. Wars are not even won by believes or determination. They are won by ammunitions and heavy arsenals. How you get that is no one's ish. In the long run, all is fair in war. Kindly, don't quote one foolish UN's creeds for me sir. As long as you're in the good books of US, UN ain't do nothing to you even if you commit genocides.
Ojukwu lost that war because he thought war is won by sheer determination. He should have heeded to Awo, who warned him that he was too young to understand war. War no be joke. Factors that can make you loose is more than all youre latching on to.
When Kanu was running his mouth and all of you were hailing him, I was just pitying the poor guy. You guys used to think determination is everything, right? Sorry sir, politics in dealing trumps guts. Guts will make you gain admirations, political maneuvering will help you always wriggle out of your ways. Ojukwu was simply too "gutty" for any world powers to support his ambitions. He would simply have done a "Fidel Castro" on them, hence why none could have support one whose ambition does not protect my interest. The Yoruba's would NEVER support a Biafra till you can tell them their gains. And conversely, they'll always go against Biafra because its actualisation does not take into consideration their own interests too.
Run all the mouths you can, till a Yorubaman knows how Biafra will also help his life, he'll openly, subtly or passively always go against Biafra.

The idea of a indigenous African nation seeking to recreate the colonial borders was not going to be tolerated by the colonial powers, as it will lead to cascade of agitations by many other Indigenous African groups who would challenge the colonial created borders made strictly for exploitation of the indigenous people.

Biafra if allowed to stand would set a precedence, and that was why you had the British supporting Nigeria, and France was threatened by British to stand down or risk having its own colonial slave camps called countries destabilized by Britain.

It had nothing to do with Ojukwu attitude. Ojukwu was far more educated than the entire Nigerian delegates at Aburi, which had Yoruba, Edo, Hausa and Fulani and Urhobo reps, he was also much more educated and more civilized, if British were looking for a civilized and progressive fellow and side to back , it would have been Ojukwu and Biafra, unfortunately the British were looking for slaves, cerebrally inferior side, more subservient to their exploitation to back, and the Nigerian side met the criteria, Ojukwu never for once exhibited tyrant Behavior throughout his leadership of Biafra, he was loved by most of Biafrans. It's as simple as that.

As for the Rest of your rambling, I don't think they deserve reply.

SaffronSpice:
Read:"The Nigerian government launched a "police action" to retake the secessionist territory. The war began on July 6, 1967 when Nigerian Federal troops advanced in two columns into Biafra. Nigeria's army offensive was through the north of Biafra led by Col. Shuwa and designated as 1 division. The division was made up of mostly northern officers. The right-hand Nigerian column advanced on the town of Nsukka which fell on July 14, while the left-hand column made for Garkem, which was captured on July 12. At this stage of the war, other regions of Nigeria (the West and Mid-West) still considered the war as a confrontation between the north (notable Hausas) and the east (notable Igbos).


Then,


" Recruitment into the Nigeria Army increased with Biafra's offensive to the west mostly among other southern ethnics especially Yoruba and Edo people. Four battalions of the Nigerian 2nd Infantry Division were needed to drive the Biafrans back and eliminate their territorial gains made during the offensive. But the Nigerians were repulsed three times and lost thousands of troops as they tried to cross the Niger during October."
Source- http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nigerian_Civil_War
Do you get the drift?
Yorubas had no genocidal intention towards the Igbos; we acted in self-defense.
Even during the civil war, most Igbos in the West were not harassed(apart from few cases in Lagos).

What are you on about? Yorubaland was part and parcel of Nigeria, and your land hosted the headquarters of the Nigerian military from where plans to invade Biafra was hatched.

How more simply can this be made?

The war was Biafra vs Nigeria, not Igbo vs North. Yorubaland was part and parcel of Nigeria.

The Nigerian delegate that came to Aburi for Dialogue with Biafra had Yorubas amongst them.

As of the Nigerian military composition, Yoruba were never much into the Nigerian military, until it dawned on the Nigerian military that they would need more soldiers and they started recruiting Yoruba, Edo and Edoids into the army.

Yoruba was part and parcel of plans to invade Biafra from the word go, as the very plan to do that was hatched in Yorubaland by the Nigerian military.

SaffronSpice:
1-They stayed in Yorubaland because Yorubaland was part of Nigeria,and the capital of the country was situated there.
You make it sound like Yorubaland was an independent nation.

2-How could they have ordered the North out when both of them belonged to the same country?

Seriously,I know how you and your people feel.But try to keep an open mind,and don't be too quick to point fingers at others for some mistakes that happened in the past.

In the light of number 1, how can Yorubas claim neutrality in the war?

The war was Biafra vs Nigeria, and Yorubas were with Nigeria all through. How can we reconcile that with the Yoruba neutrality doctrine?

A very important thread. The level of treachery of the average Yoruba man.

SaffronSpice:
I understand that your mind's beffudled by emotions,but try to think clearly for once.
1.If the Yorubas weren't neutral,why was the Ig.. Pogrom limited to the North even though some distinguished Yoruba men were killed in the coup?
How many Igbo civilians were killed in Yorubaland while the war lasted?
Of course,there were Yoruba soldiers in the Nigeria Army and they did their job while the war lasted.Are you trying to say they should have mutinied to show they were neutral,when they are professional soldiers?Will you have fed and clothed them?

2.LOL.My post was about what happened before the war. Read:"The agreement reached at this conference was that a loose confederation of the regions might solve Nigeria's ethnic problems. This agreement was violently opposed by civil servants in Lagos. Awolowo, the leader of the western region demanded the removal of all northern troops in the west, and threatened to leave the federation if the east did so first. The FMG subsequently removed northern troops from the west."
Source-http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm .
And the Supereme Military Headquarters was in Lagos because it was the capital,and Nigeria was under a Federal Military Government.
The belligerents of the Biafra War were Britain(for the fear of other colonised African states following suit if Biafra succeded),the North(to revenge the killings of its military men and because of the oil wealth in the ND),and Biafra(you know why).
Tell me what could have motivated the West to join the war?

This whole argument is getting tiring.

The Northern military was stationed in Yorubaland, they stayed in Yoruba to plot invasion of Biafra.
Yoruba was part and parcel of Nigeria.

How can Yorubas claim neutrality, if they wouldn't order the North out of Yorubaland?

You are the one whose posts are clouded by emotions rather than rationality.

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SaffronSpice:
I don't understand how a logical mind can think this way.

Yorubaland was a part of Nigeria then,and Lagos was the capital of Nigeria.
Are you suggesting that we should have shut the port and airport that belongs to the entire country and not the Yorubas alone?

Biafra,while the war lasted was a sovereign state.Do you expect Yoruba to allow another country to encroach upon and turn their land to a battlefield to prove their neutrality?

The bold in your post is a delibrate misrepresentation of what Awo said.
www.nairaland.com/3102496/pre-biafra-war-obafemi-awolowos-speech .
Also, it's on record that Awo called for the Northern troops occupying the Western Region to be removed,and they were.
How can you say this same person couldn't 'chase away' certain people.

The logic is apt. As it demolishes the "neutral" fraud the Yorubas claimed they played in the wars.

No, the military headquarters of Gowon was in Yorubaland, they didn't move.
On the light of that, Yorubas can never claim neutrality. They were part and parcel of the North agenda to invade the East, even if as vassal region to the North.

This is the point Igboid was highlighting. Why exactly its hard for Yorubas to grasp is a subject for another day.

Aigbofa:
It is even more moronic that an event of such historical importance was "falsely" ascribed to Ojukwu in a book and he didn't try to correct it. Not even a word.
We all know the letter is real and you are not convincing anyone that it is not.

Ojukwu can't always engage you lots when you go about your fabrications, can he? Cos there are like one million of them you have.

Letter is as fake as Yorubas being neutral to the war. You have failed to address the questions raised by Dede1, your defense is to continuously repeat your lies in Hope that it will become true.

What were you expecting? For Ojukwu to be on the media with millions of hordes of Yoruba falsehood sellers arguing 24hours on each of your silly lies?

You go wait tire.

Like Dede1 rightly put:

"It is even more moronic to ask that the body of conjectural crap be analyzed when the letter is a forgery than looking at date when said letter was written. I can not meet you half way on the wrong road".

specimenC:
B

His rebuttals didn't prove anything, infact I leave this to you:

"From the purported date ascribed as the day the letter was written, it is safe to conclude that Bamjo was at Benin City or Ore vicinity. Ojukwu taught military code of conduct at British Military Academy in Teshire, Ghana. There is no way under the sun Ojukwu will write a personal letter to a field commander instead of OPORD.

It is even more moronic to ask that the body of conjectural crap be analyzed when the letter is a forgery than looking at date when said letter was written. I can not meet you half way on the wrong road".

specimenC:
B

His rebuttals didn't prove anything, infact I leave this to you:

Ojukwu responding to such concoction would be giving relevance to the Yoruba that doctored it.

The best answers to fools sometimes is silence.

SonofDevil:
Isn't it amazing with all the boast. of the. Coward called ojukwu. And the imaginary inventions.
Hunger was one the Key factor that Ended the war.
You have brain for. Invention but can't feed yourself is it not enough to prove that there Were no inventions in Biafra land.
The ogbunigwe fertilizer bomb was done by irish mercenaries the biafrans only learn from it.

LMAO, even the air we breathe in the East was done by the Irish and France. Afonja irrational beings.

So, why did your cursed elders forge this letter against Ojukwu?

To justify your eternal servitude to Hausa-Fulani?

jneutron4000:
all this are stories of the past the conclusion is Biafra was defeated and had to surrender to the Nigeria government. So nobody is holding Biafra back is they choose to face Nigeria again. That one Na una headache in fact if that Nnamdi Kanu did not insult the Yorubas, the Yorubas will just still fold their hands and watch Biafra and Hausa/fulanis do their thing. Even as Nnamdi Kanu called the Yorubas names have you seen and press release from OPC or Afenifere on Biafra?? That's show that Yorubas don't give a Bleep about your Biafra and Arewa i.e. Hausas. As long as this Nigeria is still one, all what the Yorubas need is to get their share, play their roles and they believe they are Masters too in this Country shekena. Everybody answer your papa name and stop blaming other tribe for your failure simple.

Yorubas don't give a Bleep about us, yet here you are forging a scam letter and linking Ojukwu to it.

You lots are shameless.

SonofDevil:
Shut up if not for the mercenaries and Support from france. the war will not last for 8months.
Do u expect british govt to support biafra.?
Watch the video and cure ur ignorance.
Biafra have no weapon to fight nigeria,according to the belgian mercernaries interviewed.

Silly. I expected the Yoruba vassals to accept that they willingly accepted their eternal servitude state to North, and leave Ndiigbo out of your delusions.

France gave no such large scale support as to change the scale of the fight. Biafra depended largely on indigenous innovations to survive. Ogbunigwe was one of them.

No, I expected the British to rally their obedient slaves to fight for the preservation of their colonial abomination.

And again. The video is junk. No sane person wastes their time on junk.

SonofDevil:
Don't have time to waste with some being fed with propagandas instead of reality.
in the video,that coward ojukwu was even boasting before the war that it will not last long and. He will shock nigeria
At the End he ran away in his wife attires on sunday.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=832506310183787&id=779505818817170&_rdr

Watch the video and cure your ignorance

Your video is a junk and a falsehood, not worth my scarce MB, deal with it.

At the end, Awolowo took rat poison and ended his miserable life, after jakande exposed him.

Deal with it. And leave Ndiigbo out of your hallucinations.

Now the Colonial Masters were highly present in Lagos and it was their Central base. So most of the shipment of weapons was from the Lagos sea port. So pls tell me what you think the Yorubas should do for the Biafra considering the fact that the Biafra are fighting for what they believe and not the interest of the Yorubas.

This thread is not about what Biafrans expected Of Yorubas.

Its about what Yorubas did.

They accepted their vassal status to the North. Instead of making Peace with that fact, the Yoruba shameless elites went about Doctoring documents( like this fake Ojukwu letter) and the fake Fajuyi story, to support their acceptance of their vassal state.

You don't expect Easterners to not debunk their sorry falsehoods.

jneutron4000:
since you have refused to see the video link I posted due to you not wanting to know some truth or because you don't have Mb to see the video I will assist in giving some hint. Now the Biafra war was said to be between Nigeria and Biafra but in the actual sense, it was Biafra against Nigeria and British. Most of the weapons the Nigeria government used was supplied to them by the British and if not for the intervention of some foreign countries, the war would have been won so easily by the Nigerian government because of the great assistant of the British. Now the Colonial Masters were highly present in Lagos and it was their Central base. So most of the shipment of weapons was from the Lagos sea port. So pls tell me what you think the Yorubas should do for the Biafra considering the fact that the Biafra are fighting for what they believe and not the interest of the Yorubas.

How exactly could Nigerians have won the war easily, if the British were not giving them unrestricted weapon supply, in addition to the British hiring Egyptians to do air strikes for them against Biafran civilians in market places, homes and hospitals, in attempt to force Biafran soldiers into submission?

If with unrestricted British support and even USSR support, Nigeria still lost more soldiers than Biafrans, almost 3 times the number of soldiers as Biafrans and still hard to fight for 3 Years to end the war, how exactly can your whacked brain come up with the idea of Nigeria winning the war without British help?

Biafra only got little( not little, not full scale and unrestricted as Nigeria got from British) support from France at the early part of the war, France would withdraw totally by the second year into the war, and Biafr. had to fend for herself.

Ojukwu boasted Of having the strongest Army in black Africa, and he was right. Without the interference of the Caucasian powers( unrestricted support from British and USSR) to Nigeria for entire duration of the war, and meagre support from the French to Biafran only at the early part of the war campaign, Biafrans would have over ran Nigerians in a matter of days.

Khd95:
why is it paining you on their behalf nau

Not paining me atall. I'm only concerned when Yorubas try to cook up falsehoods against Ndiigbo to justify their acceptance of their vassal status.

If you left Ndiigbo out of your treacherous activities, like this forged letter,or stop poking nose in Igbos movement for self determination, I don't think any Igbo Man would care about you lots. It's as simple as that.

SonofDevil:
Do you think I will spend my time typing and trying to correct ur aba facts and beer palour discussion when there is a 8mb video that already explains everything.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=832506310183787&id=779505818817170&_rdr

I just watch the video now,
From what I watch so far I can't tell you biafra. Never build any weapon,they were supplied by france,
From the video the biafra mercenaries were interviewed and one of them said biafra had no weapon To fight nigeria govt.
All the lies of biafrans re busted in this video

Your video is nothing but irrelevant junk.

If you can't translate the falsehoods there into written discussion that can be trashed out by formidable Igbo team here, then the irrelevance of that junk video just increased to the power of 1 billion.

Deal with that.

The main point if this discussion: Your Ojukwu letter is a desperate forgery by your elites to justify your acceptance of playing vassal state to the North, against the east.

Nothing is wrong with your elders decision to accept the Northern military occupation of Western region ,if you value the lives of few over the freedom of many born and unborn generations. But every thing is wrong when you start forging documents and cooking up stories to support your decision to accept servitude to the North, and try to paint the East as villains in the process.

Ofcourse, you shouldn't expect the Easterners to allow you go Scot free with that.

jneutron4000:
here we go again with the same old crap. Yoruba have nothing against or with Biafra. For the fact that Awo, Obj and co played some key role in the issue of Biafra most have a very good reason and also for the fact that the Yorubas choose to do what they think is right and for their own interests should not be anybody issue and the Yorubas. And for Nnamdi Kanu insulting them for them for doing what is of their own best interest, that's where the problem really is. Mind you, the Yoruba never fought the Biafra war if you understand what I mean

Yorubas harboured and protected the Northern military stationed in Yorubaland during the war.

Your ports were used by the Northern military to receive military weapon shipments from their British overlords.

Yorubas were part and parcel of the Biafran war. Only as a vassal state.

Khd95:
Nicca had to flee the battle scene,leaving his worn out nd depressed lietenants behind

ojukwu wanted to 'liberate' the western region,he ended up surrending to a general from that same western region,good thing he died a NIGERIAN.


Ipob,learn lesson here,ojukwu was arrogant even right frm childhood,unfortunately his arrogance cost ibos some precious lives,now dilector is towing that same path of arrogance

Ojukwu never wrote any such letter as propounded in this thread.

That doctored letter is the evidence of the limit Yorubas can go to propagate their falsehoods.

Yorubaland was a vassal state occupied by the North throughout the duration of the war. I see nothing to gloat over that, well unless I'm Yoruba, cos obviously Yorubas are good at being vassals, take a look at Ilorin if in doubt.

SonofDevil:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=832506310183787&id=779505818817170&_rdr

Watch this video and cure ur ignorance

Nobody has MB to waste in this recession on such irrelevant junk video.

If you have any point, bring it out here. This is a discussion forum not a video forum.

orisa37:
This Reckless Recluse of a Military, why didn't he discuss these evil plans with Awo and Zik, before they started bombing Ore? What role did General Ejoor play in this Conspiracy between Ojukwu and Banjo?

Which military plans? There was no such letter as the above written by Ojukwu.

The letter is Yorubas own way of trying to make peace with themselves for accepting eternal servitude to North.

The letter was forged, just as the Fajuyi story was forged. You lots just know no shame.

jneutron4000:
i don't need to argue much with you I will just share you a video link so you could learn and stop talking as if you were there and actually knew what happened https://www.facebook.com/theafricaarchive/videos/832506310183787/

I refuse to see the relevance of the junk video you provided its link to the discussion at hand.

Address the issues raised by Igboid or chicken.