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Abagworo:
Port Harcourt is 4 times bigger than Onitsha and environs in landmass but the building pattern in Onitsha makes the density higher. Based on Nigerian flawed census Port Harcourt is more populous.

Igbo/Ikwerre relationship is exactly comparable to Ibibio/Annang, Bini/Esan, Urhobo/Isoko.

Lies, unless you can show any colonial document were the Isokos referred to themselves as Urhobo, or the Esan referred to themselves as Bini or the Annang referred to themselves as Ibibio.

By the way, I have colonial documents where Ikwerres were recognized as Ibos, just as every other part of Iboland( colonial term) of those days.
http://www.elombah.com/index.php/special-reports/16602-ikwerre-is-igbo

Enahi:
You are not from Edo State so you don't 've a right to decide where Edo comes from or who Edo should align with, it's simply none of your business.
Edo has nothing to do with Yoruba leave Us alone!

Haha! You are not from Anioma or from Ikwerre, you don't understand any of the dialects, but you feel entitled to make comments on Ikwerre and Anioma, but somehow miraculously feel that Ndiigbo shouldn't make comments on Edo.

Yes, the Ooni of Ife believe that Edo is part and parcel of Oduduwa domain, Yorubas believes so too, you belonged with Oduduwa before Nigeria and must end with Odua people after Nigeria.

ricsman:
so then, what's Orogbum and Oroabali?

Oro - Ogbum= House of Ogbum, Oro- Abali= House of Abali.

Oro/Ulo/Uno/ Uyo= House in Igbo dialects.

Ogbum and Abali were probably the progenitors of OroOgbum and OroAbali clans.

I'm not even an Ikwerre nor do I know those place yet I could decipher those with common sense, how much more a Yoruba man than has dedicated his time in studying the History of those places, of course he would know more, but it doesn't make him Ikwerre.

HopeAtHand:
Igbos cannot even afford to have dissenting persons within their ranks.

For Igbos sakes, they best work with the people who have willingly decided to be part and parcel of Igboland.

Funny. Ndiigbo an ancient people that had been practicing democracy before the Caucasian Greece left their caves in Eurasia to displace the native Greeks, does not know how to accommodate dissenting voices?

We do, just that dissenting voices are only allowed to have their say in Igboland and not their way. The majority as in every democratic society do have their way.

Enahi:
You need to be specific with your questions. Edo doesn't 've any similarity with any of the listed tribes you wrote, the Language, food and dressing are not the same with that of the Yorubas.

Edo is part and parcel of the Oduduwa domain through the orayamiyan or something like that. The Edo Oba dynasty hails from Oduduwa in Ile ife, ie the Eweka dynasty.

Edo and Oduduwa were one pre Nigeria and will remain so, Post Nigeria. infact, the Ooni of ife reaffirmed this not long ago.

Edo was meant to be a subordinate under Oduduwa.

HopeAtHand:
I always look forward to your comments because your approach is often practical.

Most Igbos who have never lived among Ikwerres will assume Ikwerre is Igbo because we speak similar language, have shared customs etc etc. They need to understand the Ikwerre mindset and how the Ikwerre view the Igbo.

Idealism and realism are two very different things. In real life, Ikwerre is Ikwerre, Igbo is Igbo..saying they are one and the same is the allusion of idealists.

Is idealism and realism the reason you as a Yoruba man is all over the internet masquerading as an Ikwerre man?

Abagworo:
No true Igbo man will accept Ikwerre as Igbo as events over time has shown our differences. Though we speak similar language and intermarry we have developed over time different perceptions to life.

Lol ! See this sabo speaking.

You mean you are more Igbo than Ohaneze.Ndiigbo that have Ikwerre sons like Chief Aguma holding key positions.

What do you know. Soon after Ebonyi. It will be Enugu, Imo and then Rivers turn to produce the president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, we will see whether it won't be from the Rivers Igboids already in the organization that the head of Igbo apex body will be picked from.

HopeAtHand:
Your bolded got me laffing.

Everyone musnt agree with you.Thats life for you. Saying that im not Ikwerre doesnt change the fact that i am. You are not even Ikwerre, so you're not qualified to speak on anything Ikwerre.

Its funny how Igbos waste time and energy trying to force an issue that is beyond them.

It is not for the Igbo to say Ikwerre is Igbo, it is for the Ikwerre to accept being Igbo.

if we are not interested, you cant coerce brotherhood from us. You cant afford to have dissenters within your ranks. It wil be a costly mistake.

You are not Ikwerre and saying that you are Ikwerre one million Times does not automatically turn you into one, it's a pity. Though I understand your pains, if I were Yoruba too, I would claim anything( be it Ikwerre) just not to be Yoruba, it's understandable, but still doesn't stop you from being Yoruba.

No, it's funny why are Yoruba man like you had taken it upon you to be the one telling Igbos who is Igbos and who isnt.

It is not for the Yorubas and Edos to say who is Igbo and who isn't, it's left for Igbos to sort that out amongst themselves.

MrAnalyst:
I understand fully what you mean but Ogbunabali has a meaning of it's own which the impostor cannot decipher. Anyway who cares about Ikwerre or Hopeathand. Bigger things are on deck.

Don't fall for his trap.

The game plan of the Yoruboids and their Edo partners are:

1, Impersonate Ikwerres, Ikas, Etches, Oshimili, Ukwuani etc,

2, Start making anti Igbo / Igbophobic comments. Provoke the SE Igbos to make harsh comments towards Ika, Ikwerre, etc

3. When the SE falls into the above trap by making harsh statements against those Igboid groups in anger, they ( Yoruboids) withdraw back and use our words against these Igboid groups against us, by presenting it to the Igboids as a the proof that the SE has no genuine love for them but are rather attached to their oil wealth and land space.

HopeAtHand:
Ogbum-nu-abali means Orogbum and Oroabali. Simple.

stop misinterpreting someone else community name.

I can interpret any Igbo speaking territory as I wish to. A yoruba man has no say whatsoever in it.

MrAnalyst:
Personally I think its the depth of callousness for an outsider to hide and claim Ikwerre just to cause disunity. Ikwerre can be whatever they choose but some tribes are really really cursed!!!

The balkanization of Igboland is very essential to keeping Nigeria one. Keep Igbos disunited and Balkanized, you increase your chance of keeping Nigeria one.

Yorubas are one Nigeria apologists, put two and two together, and you understand why it's necessary that they claim Ika, Ikwerre, Etche, etc identities to keep Igboland disunited.

For example, Ndiigbo know that Badagry people are not Yorubas, they don't speak a yoruboid dialect nor understand Yoruba as a first language, but you don't see Igbos impersonating badagry here to divideYorubaland. Why? Because unity or Division of Yoruba land means nothing to an average Igbo man.

MrAnalyst:
I'll slap you! Are you a little kid? Tell me the meaning of Ogbunabali,you're telling me it's was almagated fabricated. As an Ikwerre tell me the interpretation of "Ogbunabali"

It's possible that Ogbunuabali was fabricated. But that does not change the fact that it literary translates to "He that kills in the night".

For example, we know that Anioma was fabricated by Osadebey using A= Aniocha, N= Ndokwa, I= Ika, O= Oshimili, then adding adding MA as a common denominator to create ANIOMA.
But that does not change the fact that in all Igbo speaking territories, ANIOMA literary translates as "Good land".

By the way, Hopeathand is not an Ikwerre person, stop wasting your time on him.

Enahi:
Please remove Asaba and Agbor, you are a thief.

Edo land grabbers, has Igbanke not taught you a lesson?

HopeAtHand:
Ogbunabali is a town which was founded on a land belongigng to Orogbum and Oroabali communities.. The full spelling of the name is Ogbum-nu-abali.

Another example is Okoro-nu-odo. That is the area where that big Anglican church at Rumuokoro roundabout is situated. The name is a combination of Rumuokoro and Rumuodomaya.

Thank me later.

Ogbunuabali literally translates to " He that kills in the night". It means the same in Ikwerre and all Igbo dialects.

An Ikwerre man from Ikwerre LGA that hadn't been to PH before will translate it as that too.

And anybody who has interest can always investigate how the name came about, he mustnt be an Ikwerre person to do so.
So you telling the history of how Ogbunuabali was coined does not make you an Ikwerre any more than me knowing that Ilorin was coined from "Ilu erin" ( place of elephants) make me a YORUBA person.

MrAnalyst:
Tell us the meaning Hopeathand

Hopeathand= Yoruba impostor

Ugomba:
okay. So the guy na imposter. Chai.

He is not just an impostor , he is something even worst. A YORUBA IMPOSTOR.

iyb:
igbos igbos igbos why why why
every time a drug dealer is caught in foreign countries its always igbo
chai igbo why now

Well, it's not Igbos fault, it's Chiokike's favour. Whenever any news worthy of international reportage is coming out of Nigeria, it's always about the only one ethnic group in Nigeria, the Igbos, look at one of the last of them here:https://www.nairaland.com/3143119/okonjo-iweala-bags-another-award

Lol! Children of hate everywhere, doing the only thing they know how to do, ie Igbohating.

Well, Ndiigbo are the best in every human endeavour in Nigeria, be it in good or bad. We dominate them all.

All you can do is talk about us, we are the actors, you are the spectators.

jornie:
I'm sure you didn't watch the videos,watch them first.There are many more videos on YouTube that implicates him.
I really want Biafra to go,at the same time not by violence. It has never worked by violence. When you people get a sovereign state for yourselves,your govt would do the same.
Its simply protecting lives.

And who is going to protect the lives of Ndiigbo that was threatened by Oba of Lagos while the Oba walks free.

I don't need to taste a faeces to know how it tastes.
The U tube link is wack and irrelevant. if the FG had something on Kanu, they would have put him away by now and not looking for masquerades to testify against him in court.

jornie:
watch these videos and see for yourself why any sane/responsible goverment would not release his likes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XU2JtlUF6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l26z6QFZAOw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShN78IljlC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fPQOPEH-0Y

This is not the first time he's being arrested.He has being warned severally.
Also,He's not the first to lead such an historic course,he's a lawyer and knows very well the right and legal way to go about these things
But he made he's choices based on his emotions and tribal bias.
personally i really think Nigeria should allow Biafra and other seceding regions to be but anyone that threatens the lives of innocent civilians should not go unpunished...Nigeria is a sovereign state and has a responsibility to protect it's occupants and citizens ..IMO

What about those who threatened that baboons and monkeys will be soaked in blood, if they lost an election?
What about those that are promising to unleash death on Bia**** if we declare freedom?

Kanu never spilled a drop of Nigerian( Yoruba and North) blood , fact!

There is so far no evidence of Kanu stockpiling weapons to do so, except if Bia**** are first attacked by Nigerians( Yoruba and North) , of which his use of weapons would have been in retaliation and in self defense, hence legitimate.

Enyia, jee dono ani.

ElCount:
And what have you done to ensure the peaceful disintegration? Or you think you will just sleep and wake up and find the country to have disintegrated peacefully

You and your ilks have always attacked anyone who talks about disintegration whether peacefully or not, even for the so called one nigeria you were in another thread supporting buhari for not implementing the confab even though its obvious it will solve a lot of issues facing the country presently. In truth you don't even know what you want, and this is HYPOCRISY on a new level

*spits on his bald head*

Haha! Their peaceful disintegration involves hiding behind Zik and North to push anti British Interest( secession of any part of Nigeria) rather than daring the British directly by declaring their independence from Nigeria.

Zik of course ran for his life and didn't yield to their request because he knew that will be suicidal for him.
Now they hide behind Ziks refusal to fight their battles for them to hide their cowardice in not declaring secession on their own from the British colonial entity, if truly Awo their master wanted secession.

He said in the memo that Gowon had given too much away in Aburi and that it would lead to the destruction of the country. He further added that Gowon had “legalised” total regionalism which “will make the centre very weak.” Akenzua alluded in his memo that a weak centre would lead to confederation and total disintegration of the country. It was the memo that prompted Gowon to summon a meeting of the secretaries to the military governments and other officials which was held in Benin City between February 16 and 18, 1967. If you look at the minutes of the Benin meeting presided over by Mr. H. A. Ejueyitchie, Secretary to the Federal Military Government, you will discover that it was a total rejection of what was agreed upon in Aburi. The Benin meeting interpreted in its own way the agreement reached in Aburi.

"Eziokwu na adaputa ka coins".

Well well. Isn't this what we had always insisted on on this forum severally. Gowon rejected in totality the meat of the Aburi agreement because some unscrupulous elements from Nigeria advised him to. Because they all feared regionalism. But the question is why did they suddenly developed phobia for regionalism.



It remains a historical fact that Gowon reneged on agreements reached at Aburi, agreements that would have prevented the civil war.

Suffice it to say that the vocal military officers like Lt. Col. Murtala Muhammed, Major Martin Adamu and Major Theophilus Yakubu Danjuma did not attend the Aburi meeting.

Really? Is this supposed to be an excuse or what? Whose fault was it that they never attended the meeting?
Obviously Gowon didn't consider them important or he didn't consider the Aburi gathering important, which of course would mean that he had no plan for negotiations or Peace, he only came to Aburi for formality sake.

Either way, it doesn't paint Gowon or Nigeria in good light.

The decisions at Aburi amounted to, in terms of political and military control of Nigeria, that the country should be governed as a confederation.

Of course, this was the solution to the country's problems in 1960's, and remain the solution in this current era.

As far as the regions were concerned, it was decided that all the powers vested by the Nigerian Constitution in the regions and which they exercised prior to January 15, 1966, should be restored to the regions. To this end, the Supreme Military Council decided that all decrees passed since the military take-over, and which tended to detract from the previous powers of the regions, should be repealed by January 21, after the Law Officers should have met on January 14 to list out all such decrees.”

Abolition of all decrees that enforces centrality of powers and devolution of powers away from the central, and concentration of powers to the regions! No ambiguity whatsoever to this! Check!

The implementation of the agreement reached on August 9, 1966, it was agreed, after a lengthy discussion, that it was necessary for the agreement reached on August 9 by the delegates of the Regional Governments to be fully implemented. In particular, it was accepted in principle that army personnel of Northern origin should return to the North from the West. It was therefore felt that a crash programme of recruitment and training, the details of which would be further examined after the committee to look into the strength and distribution of army personnel had reported, would be necessary to constitute indigenous army personnel in the West to a majority there quickly.

Ojukwu negotiated the withdrawal of soldiers from northern origin from the West back to the North and rapid recruitment and training of Yoruba elements to replace them. This was a unilateral agreement with no ambiguity. Check!

Remember that the cunning Awo was making up the lies of his dragging foot towards independence of Yorubaland was because of the presence of Northern soldiers in Yorubaland.

HungerBAD:
So this your comment about Awolowo got me curious.

The reason I put this posting Nairaland is for educational purposes,it is not your usual Nairaland kind of thread.

Those I expect to see here,are those I know are intellectually balanced and so far I have not been disappointed.

Good arguments for and against the Oba's action. I am not Ibo or Yoruba,so not on any particular side.

My question to you,and this is purely for Academic purpose,Is why did you say Awolowo died by Rat poisoning? Was he really poisoned?row did you arrive at that conclusion?

Or are you joking?

Stop feigning ignorance. Read the full story:http://247ureports.com/how-awolowo-committed-suicide-by-abdulmumini-adeku/
By a fellow Yoruba for that matter.

krazykoons:
so comment portrays a man of lackluster intelligence. so shut up

Stop beating around the Bush. Show Me a single colonial document where the British gave the regions freedom to secession or forever take your cheap propaganda to your Ewedu and Amala beer parlours.

Yorubas were too scared to declare secession and independence from the Nigerian union, because the British never made room from that,they know the repercussions that will come, if they dare declare secession, and you want to lay your own cowardice at the feet of Zik and expect nwafors to let you go Scot free, you must be sleeping on top of bicycle, better wake up.

I am still waiting for your evidence, invite your co travellers, if you can't, let them come and help you out.

Let it be known that the British at no point, made the dissolution of Nigeria as an option to any of the regions.

Anybody that have any contrary claim should provide the colonial document to prove such claims.

Nobody stopped Awo and Yorubas from defying the British by declaring independence of the Yoruba region, No Igbo person would have fought Yorubas to remain part of the union.

Awo and Yorubas were as usual trying to hide behind Zik and the North to force the British to grant them secession from the union, rather than going out full throttle on their own by declaring their region independent and dare the British to do their worse.

If you want secession, you go out to declare it, you don't push other people to do it for you so that they bear the full blunt if it goes wrong, while you sit at the fence and observe from a distance, or even worst team up with the British.

Let this be the last time Yorubas will try to throw up this propaganda of Zik stopping them from seceding from the Nigerian union.

By the way, what are we supposed to make of this thread?
To celebrate Oba Akenzua for killing Aburi accord that would have prevented the civil war and making Gowon to renege on agreement reached at Aburi by pretending that he didn't understand what he agreed to and by giving ambiguous interpretation to the agreement, all in an effort to enshrine unitary system and kill regional system of governance? Because Nigeria can only survive as a parasitic state?

Well, let him clap for himself. We shall see.

krazykoons:
in your warped little mind you've just made sense.
zik knew the north could be trusted definitely not with human lives,you people are so irredeemable foolish,the north has been standing by their words and actions that's why they still behead your people like the true friends they are.
zik preferred to be a lackey to the northerners just because of his selfish political gains,if that is not the case,how can a sane man who have seen the havoc wrecked on his people during the kano massacre of ibos because the north weren't ready for independence,vote to be in the same country with the same set if people and outrightly spearheaded a campaign to remove the secession clause,how does right of secession stops Nigeria from getting independence,are you on prescriptions?
so why do you want out of zik desired united Nigeria all of a sudden,why are your people clamoring for atleast regionalism the untrustworthy Yorubas voted for,from your honest Hausa friends
Mr nationalistic,I see it was the Yoruba that spurred your other nationalistic friend to kill your nationalistic ancestors during the infamous pogroms.
your comment shows how a typical IBO reasons, you would rather die,rolling in spasm insulting Yorubas who never wanted you,that they are one supporting Hausa to hold you down in the 'zoo',than attack your ibo-blood loving hausas since they are your honest,loyal and trustworthy friends
any form of violence meted upon you by your Fulani friends you guys definitely don't deserve pity.
cc,CltrAltDel,Ioannes,jpphilips,coolitempa1.

The Yorubas desired regionalism is different from Yoruba fighting for regionalism. Yoruba never fought for regionalism, history records that Ojukwu fought for regionalism at Aburi, only for Yorubas and Gowon to team up and enforce unitary government on Nigeria,