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PEPPERified:
I really wish people would understand that the strongest force the devil use to decieve people is by playing with their thoughts and imaginations.... I wish someone can go through 2Cor. 10 v. 4-6

I embraced facts not dogma. I researched and used reasoning, that's why I left.

ololadeking:
coool, what realy convinced you? Share yr story wit me

I was heavily involved in churches, I saw fake prophecies, hypocrisy and I questioned the doctrines of christianity. What shakedown me was that miracles don't exist and faith doesn't work. My pastor said he is no longer going to wear his glasses because he has used faith, days later he went back to his glasses and nobody said anything or even noticed.

I got to know that church is a business. I started researching atheists comments on nairaland, Richard Dawkins videos and atheists memes. That was how I broke free.

I remember when I prayed as christian, while I was getting up from sleep the next day, I had a voice saying that it will grant me the answer to my prayers. I thought it was the holy spirit. But later, I discovered that people do hear voices when falling asleep or waking up. How did the voice know I prayed for something? Later on after many many months, I became an atheist thanks to hopefulLandlord, HardMirror and hahn.

[quote author=sarrki post=60684516][/quote]that picture depicts human right abuse. Ewwwww.

butterflyl1on:
You said ALL RELIGIOUS GODS so why now trying to shift me to the Christian God?

Ogbeni before wisdom was, I AM!

christian and other religious gods = all religious gods. Before foolishness was, you were.

butterflyl1on:
But it's still a concept aka an idea.

So is it the concept or idea put forward by aliens you would accept? Do you talk to aliens?

Any concept here on earth is raised by humans whom you communicate with so who then would originate your acceptable concept if not the same humans?

You reject concept with one side of your mouth and with the other side you are open to accepting concept.

Kontinue

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butterflyl1on:
But you still accept the Concept (idea) of God devoid of religion

You reject man made concepts and still accept man made concepts

My op was mainly directed to christians and when I said God, I was referring to the christian god and other religious gods. I explained that to you when you asked me what I meant by the concept of God. Read and comprehend well abeg.

butterflyl1on:
But you have concluded on CONCEPTS but acceptable to you and same CONCEPTS you accept also being unacceptable to you.

Read my post and our conversations again. I said that what I mean by the concept of God is the construction and characteristics of God as PUT BY WORLD RELIGIONS.

butterflyl1on:
You know na? Based on rationality you say? No longer based on evidence? No longer based on investigations? No longer based on the undetailed history you earlier said?

You are open to the ANY IDEA (CONCEPT) of God apart from the religious Gods

Yet your OP says you hate the concept (idea) of God but here you are saying you are still open to A CONCEPT of God as long as its not the religious kind.

And then with all this confusion you are typing you deny conclusive inconclusiveness?

You reject concept one minute and then you are open to concept the very next second.

OK oo kontinnu

what I hate is the concept of God as put by all world religions.

butterflyl1on:
Just as I earlier said, you are desperate to shift me to my religion.

The OP already made it impossible for me to shift from his generality so thanks for the offer but I'll pass

dalaman is on track. The origins of all world religions is one of the proofs that they are man made. The claims of the holy books are bunks also.

butterflyl1on:
Then how did you arrive at your conclusive inconclusiveness?

You make a lot of assumptions yet claim to have a conclusion?

In the other hand you also claim inconclusiveness?

How?

I have not concluded on the existence of a creator God. Please use sense nah.

butterflyl1on:
Then how did you arrive at your conclusive inconclusiveness?

there is no conclusive inconclusiveness to begin with. I know all religious gods are fake and man made and that's based on rationality. Must God, if he exists, belong to any religion? What if God, if he exists, is not part of any religion and does not interract with planet and never has? I simply have ruled out the possibility of religious gods but I am open to any idea of God apart from the religious gods.

butterflyl1on:
You cannot use the same thing you claim was fabricated as proof to itself. You have to seek proof from outside it and this is where history comes in.

Show me what your investigation uncovered. Surely your investigation should have ended at the source of the God idea in order to make it conclusive.

How far did you go before arriving at a conclusion which you already said on this thread was INCONCLUSIVE?

can you have conclusive inconclusiveness?

I said all religious gods are fake and made up. There might be a creator God, no one knows. God, if he exist, need not be involved in religion or seek worship.

butterflyl1on:
So it's impossible ba? How then did you arrive at your conclusion without proof?

logic, critical thinking, reasoning, common sense and investigation of biblical events and claim of the bible.

butterflyl1on:
Can you show me proof of your claim by pointing to the very first man who "fabricated the religious gods idea"?

I want to you to trace him via history and end at where he first emerged with this idea.

It's impossible to trace the first person who started this God shit. There are no detailed records of that time. Evidences point to the fact that the claims of the bible are not true. The same goes with world religions. Use common sense nah.

butterflyl1on:
Triple facepalm smh

This was my question to you

What do you mean by "the concept of God". If you say God is a concept and you are angry at the concept of God yet not angry at God it's rather confusing. grin

So what is this your "the concept of God " you mentioned.

As you can see I was not about concept but what YOUR IDEA OF AN ACCEPTABLE GOD would look like since you hate "the concept of God" you see being worshipped.

the concept of God was made by man. You are talking as if there must be a God. There are various concept of God by different religions. We can agree at that.

The concept of God refers to the construction and characteristics of God as put by a religion. Chai

felixomor:
Hehehehehe, first thing is that I asked you for origin of first man, you switched to origin of universe.....
2ndly, you say you admit you dont know, yet your first comment said atheist knows.....

Abeg, let me just rest here...
The confusion has already started showing

our the modern man came to be is seen in evolution. The origin of it all is unknown. What we know is that all religious gods and teachings are man made.

butterflyl1on:
FYI my question was not about a dictionary definition and neither was it directed at you.

I specifically directed it at the OP and even he knows I was not asking for dictionary definition of the word "concept".

Thank you for trying to take over the gist but no thanks.

the meaning of words by an English-speaking man are seen in the dictionary. When it comes to words, I and dalaman are in agreement with the dictionary.

butterflyl1on:
So you somehow know there is a God but you just do not align with the one you know that people worship which is what you term as "the concept of God".

Since you are "inconclusive " why not wait until you are conclusive before you rate yourself an atheist and before you say certain things.

*facepalms* being inconclusive means that I don't know whether a God exists or not. I don't know whether there is a God or not.

felixomor:
According to u man made god.. Abi?

So who made the first man on earth?
Or who designed the dna of the first living cell?

the origin of the universe is unknown and scientists are working on it. Not knowing is not an excuse to embrace absurd fairly tales. It is also not a bad thing to admit you don't know.

butterflyl1on:
What do you mean by "the concept of God". If you say God is a concept and you are angry at the concept of God yet not angry at God it's rather confusing.

So what is this your "the concept of God " you mentioned.

Are you alluding that there is a God but "the concept" you are angry with does not exist but the one that isn't a concept does?

I don't believe in any religious gods but I am inconclusive of the existence of a creator God. What I mean by the concept of God is the construction and characteristics of a supreme being by world religions.

felixomor:
Abeg which truth do atheists know?

The truth that all religious gods and teachings are man made.

superhumanist:
Despite not being an atheist myself, I have always said it that atheists should keep on being outspoken. They do not know who they can touch. It was an atheist that saved me from being a crazy christian fundamentalist. I am now a deist.

silent atheists are wicked. How can someone know the truth and won't spread?

Over and over again, christians keep saying that if atheists don't believe in God, why do they keep bashing God? If atheists don't believe the claims and teachings in christianity, why do we bother? This I shall address.

Atheists do not believe in God and are not angry at him. Why is that? It's because he doesn't exist. There are no atheists that are angry at God. Even if we were angry at God, it wouldn't be more or less than a batman fan being angry at joker. What we are angry at is the concept of God and the teachings and precepts of religion and how it influences and impact our beloved world.

Given we are not angry at God and we don't believe in christianity, why do we bother? If someone was spreading hiv to people's children and you knew, wouldn't you try to stop? What would you think of someone who could but didn't? christianity just like other world religions are being used to enslave the minds of people. It is being used to control, manipulate and exploit the masses. It costs people their lives. That's why until the last stone of the last church falls on the last preacher(conman), we will not rest.

Think of all the money people would have used for themselves, help the poor or fund scientific researches if they were not manipulated into giving by their christian god or pastors. Thunder fire you if you say they were not forced, how would someone who believes in God wholeheartedly not pay tithe when the money is available? think of those who tried to use faith and prayer to deal with their cancer, hiv, multiple sclerosis and other illnesses medicine could have manage. Call them fools if you like, but know that not everyone is as hypocritical dishonest as you in your beliefs. What they did was okay by strict biblical standards except you want to kid yourself.

Their death is not worth it. It is one of the things we atheists want to avoid. Christians like them can be easily freed given that they are honest unlike hypocrites. If you knew a scam artist and you could stop him, wouldn't you try to stop him? If you knew something was holding your own specie from progress, wouldn't you try to stop it? These and many more and reasons why we can't let it be. Our conscience can't rest. Think about the crusades, 9/11, suicide bombings, the deceiving or manipulation of people that drugs aren't needed when sick since faith is sufficient, the sharia and tithes and offering etc. all are unnecessary and grave losses.

What if still religious folks don't want? Then speak for yourself. There are people that are grateful to nairaland atheist for freeing them from the shackles of religion and all the fears they had. Many ex-religious folks are happy that they are atheists and they know what it is like to be free. Think about the lives that would have been better if not for religious beliefs. It pains me when folks are crying, hopeless and suffering and they confide in their pastors who careless about them. So christians and other religious folks, we bother and won't let it be.

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chenor:
I bet you are one of those that always cry out to God when things are difficult for you to handle.. Op grow up please

ahn ahn, what is bad in a christian crying out to God? I am an atheist tho.

Jesus as you know him is a man made character.

OliviaPope:
if the bible stories are anything to go by, he can restore a limb within the snap of a finger, why then does he choose not to? I mean it doesn't hurt anyone does it? if anything, it only goes to show how truly omnipotent he is.

Nice. Another thing I don't understand when it comes to healing is the idea of waiting on God. Why can't God heal you now? Will anything spoil if he does it now? What is that thing that he can't achieve while you are complete and of good health?

ifenes:
You asked a question, but you will not like my answer. Why should I answer ?

I am curious. Epp me.

KanwuliaExtra:
AIDS will soon come "home" to her too!

you funny, make I tap you small.

KellyFORMAT:
ftc, neymar u meet cavani 4 the club. ask ronaldo abt raul

Gbam. Iffa hear say, then, Raul give ronaldo no 7, I for collapse.

Niflheim:
@Deicide,

How can a god who "cheats" at wrestling matches, perform any relevant stunt at a Hospital?!!!

He cannot even save little kids that get raped by catholic priests!!!

hahaha