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Icon4s:
He should have thrown it open to select the best . Being an U17 graduate should not automatically make you an U20 player. It should make you a candidate for selection.

after winning an under17 tournament, you expect him to throw the camp open again, I'm sure you are one of the people criticizing our current under20 team.

Is easy for an under20 to claim he plays in naija league, you can only get genuinely young lads at under17 and push the bulk of them to under20, the objective for age grade competition is not winning but development

tbaba1234:
Ndidi has the highest tackling rate in the premier league by far. So ofcourse, fouls will be committed but that does not make him 'dirty'...

I have watched Musa and i have not been impressed.

Bros you don't like Ndidi more than me, Ndidi has the second highest foul commited in premier league, already having 2 red and 7 yellow in football that's dirty but that doesn't mean his not a good player..

Your argument with Mohamed is that his not good enough which was your key word and I said he is just unfortunate with bad management and Agent, Musa was signed straight to İstanbul Başakşehir first team which was wrong for his progression, Musa could have gotten something better after the youth tournament.

summary of my argument is that most youth player get them self involve with selfish agent and management that mean no good for them, the likes of Brown,oseni, akinsola were not bad players, if you could remember the saga between kayode and one top NFF official that left him languishing in Asec memosa then you will understand better

Icon4s:
I had serious headache trying to explain this to a lot of people on here earlier on this forum.

Some even said age doesn't matter.

Not all U17 players progress well. Some even fall short as early as the U20 which is why I was mad with Amuneke for promoting all his U17 players to the U20. Not all of those kids were ready or were good enough for the U20 challenge.

Do you prefer he bring totally new boys to the fold, thought we need continuity for there progress

asha80:
sometimes mental toughness, attitude to training, discipline or simply ending up in a club or coach that does not reckon with you

All what you listed above is to be dealt with by good sport management team and Agent, our players find it comfortable making the father or brother even landlord there Agent

tbaba1234:
Ndidi is not one of the dirtiest premier league player ... Far from it.

The truth is that Musa has not raised his game. He did not impress in Bosnia and has not been outstanding in Bulgaria.

Bros ontill yestetday Ndidi was the dirtiest player in premier league and milivojovic took over yesterday, Musa spent just 4 months in the loan move to bosnia, Musa has started 20 league games in Bulgaria, how do you want him to raise his game?

tbaba1234:
I think, it goes beyond agent..

He was loaned to the Bosnian league and did not impress.

In his current club, he has 9 yellows and 1 red in 20 games.

I do not think, he has improved enough for senior level foot

he got signed in February for a Bosnia club and left to a better league at the end of the season, having 9 yellow don't make you a bad player, Ndidi is reported to be one of the dirtiest player in premier league but his one of the best there too.

Just imagine his management got him a team like Porto or Gent, the first move in Europe could damage your European career.

tbaba1234:
I do not think Musa Muhammad is that good. At least not yet.. He failed to make the cut in Turkey and has not been great in Bulgaria

He was never given a chance in turkey, Musa is a good defender with a lot of skills that modern right back poses, good management and Agent can dim the brightest talent light, you should know better

CaptainStephen:
kai imagine, sure a fine player, I loved his confidence.

Only if he had a good agent and management team

MetalJigsaw:
Accurate and well placed shots. Fantastic!

those Musa critics has gone back to there shell, Football has alot to do with confidence, Musa still got it

tbaba1234:
Rohr on 35 man list

“Yes, it’s (the list) exactly one month before the World Cup and we will be ready and we will speak about it next week, the most important thing is to have a good structure for  preparations,” he said.

“The surprises can only come if some players are doing so well and we have to take them, it will be wonderful to see some surprises. But the players who brought us to the World Cup without any defeat are the first choice now.

“The (home-based) boys have a little chance if they play very well  for  their clubs, you know we have to take the fittest also. In the first 35-man list, they have a chance.”

Rohr is always loyal,you won't see much changes

CaptainStephen:
Reminds me of the musa muhammed self, where is he ? Nobody was mentioning ebuehi and aina when he first played that game against Tanzania.

His in Bulgaria

Humility017:
i thought I was talking to someone reasonable....
you accuse me of always resulting to insults in my football discussion but yours filled with childish words....
and irrationality

if we all are to swallow every tactics and plans of rohr in a wholesale...then why discuss football here....

we all must not agree...but should at least get to a point where we see reason with each other.....

Bros I told you earlier to forget the argument but you no gree, ok I accept Iheanacho should be taking the free-kicks

Humility017:
my question from all the set piece Moses have been taking for super eagles...how many has he converted...

on nancho and musa....I vividly remember nancho never took any close range free kicks during that mundial....
musa set piece in the first match against Mexico was a stamp...like made him an authority to always take the free kicks....
nancho always standin beside him whenever he is to take free kicks made me know either of them was entrusted wit that duty....

let's watch nancho take few free kicks again before we can conclude he is not good as compare to Moses....who have been so poor wit free kicks...

You are just contradicting your self up and down, nobody said his not a good free kick taker, in every team there is always an assigned
set piece taker and in Nigeria team that person is v.Moses that does not mean iheanacho won t take some if they both agree

You can call and ask Rohr who is better between them

Mickael2:
I know Iheanacho played some freekicks at the U17 and never converted any but Musa Mohammed converted his own, does that make Musa a better freekick specialist? set piece takers are set in Stine, just because Pique pops up one day and scores a wonderful freekick does not mean he will be taking the free kicks the next game.

Thank you

andrew444:
35 man list is only nairaland and naija mentality here,teams name 23 man squad directly with about 7 back up,but here people name 35 man including their cousin

abeg no finish me with laff

tbaba1234:
Uzoho is our number 1 keeper... After reading recent statements by Rohr, I think he has made up his mind on Uzoho..

“I don’t think goalkeeping is the weak link in my team,”

“After we lost Carl Ikeme to sickness, we had what seemed like a goalkeeping crisis but Ikechukwu Ezenwa did well in the qualifiers but we kept looking for options.

“Francis Uzoho came as an option because to go to the World cup, you require two good goalkeepers and I must say he has done well in the three games he has played for the Super Eagles that I won’t be afraid to start him in our opening game against Croatia at the World Cup in Russia.

“Francis is good and tall, and he is ready to learn. He did well in the friendly games against Argentina and Poland with two clean sheets and conceded two goals against Serbia in his third game in which I experimented with some players and tactics.

“I don’t believe he will get stage fright playing against the likes of Messi and other big names in Russia, because after playing against the likes of Lewandowski of Poland, Aguero and Di Maria of Argentina, I am optimistic that he would rise to the occasion in Russia.”

Rohr like tall keepers, Rohr like Uzoho

kennysville:
Well just so you know, there is no argument I dont follow in here (except for the yabis part)..... if you ask me, the issue of who to invite so as to compete with shirts only started a couple of months ago. Off the top of our heads our starting 11 was somehow fixed, barring unforeseen circumstances and so we kinda went very comfortable for a long stretch until Lukaemia took out Carl Ikeme from the picture, until Mikel, Leon Balogun and Moses got injured at the same time just before the match against South Africa. This call for substitution of players now is a little too late in my opinion. Unless the player in question has got the X-Factor, aint no reason to upset what we have presently. If from the start of 2016 (cos I believe Oliseh resigned in February or so) at the time of contracting Rohr, if he had scouted a large pool of players, then we probably would have known where we are heading long ago. This is where I fault the scouting system of the National team.

Lets also keep in mind that players suddenly started upping their game close to the world cup cos they now feel there is a fighting chance.

But as I said in my post earlier, the Over reliance on starting 11 is what got us here. Nobody wan imagine am say Ighalo dey bench for Iheanacho. In fact if VicMo shows up late for camping, he must start.

Thankfully, the difference between 2014 squad and 2018 squad is that while the former had only starting 11, the latter can boast of a starting 25 albeit discovering more and more daily.

Back to the issue on ground. I say again, this call for new players should be suspended till after the world cup. Like TheGoodJoe once said about having over 100 players in camp and prunning them, while that seems laudable it is practically EXPENSIVE! (although that probably will work in age grade competitions).

Lets see if this good work of Rohr will continue after the Mundial. I sincerely hope we keep him though for the next 4years so he can develop his model to fruition

Up super eagles

Nice writeup, Rohr 23 for worldcup wont have much surprise

forgiveness:
1. Because that was the task given to him to do by the authority. There's nothing to argue about.

2. The boss dictates. Therefore, it's the arrogant players that should be blamed, not Onigbinde, because from that interview, the information to play for Nigeria under the condition to call Onigbinde to reiterate their interest in the world cup came from the NFF camp or Super Eagles' camp.

This shows that their was room for the arrogant players to come back to the team on the condition to humble themselves but as usual, they showed they were not ready to be submissive to the authority. GBAM

Do Oliseh and his crews have two big heads?

You can see how the keeper humbled himself and called the coach. Was he dropped?

Was he called? No

Was there sign he was wanted before he called? No

EOD

So from the lengthy write up you didnt notice reason why Shorumu joined the team and he was not even happy with the team.

So after all finidi, oliseh and the rest had done for Nigeria you expect them to call the coach and beg for a call up, is just like asking Mikel to call and ask for a call up

Humility017:
then why haven't what rohr sees in training being made manifest for we all to see in the open whenever they get to play...

from all the reports so far in camp...have you ever heard Moses scores from set piece....

I quote that manu garba stance...just to counter your lame beliefs that rohr who does and see no wrong.....must have see something extraordinary in Moses to have saddled him the duty to always take free kicks.

that your first sentence made no sense at all...just dont wanna toil your line this evening.....

bruh just end it, the truth is you don't know better than Rohr

Humility017:
you are talking shallow...prior the Argentina game how many free kicks has nancho ever took for the super eagles....
in case you dont know...during the under 17 tourney nancho and musa Mohammed were saddled wit the responsibility of taking free kicks for the team.....

meaning there must be something manu garba must have seen in the young lad that made him saddle him with such responsibility

I notice you can't discuss football without insults, your hypocritic mind notice manu garba must have seen something in nacho in training before giving him and Mohammed the responsibility but that same mind didn't notice Rohr must have seen something your short sighted eyes didn't see in training too that made him give him such responsibility.

Humility017:
we're not talking of disallowed goal...

bro...that dude has never scored any free kick for the super eagles....despite the numerous dead balls he has been taking

I see you are wiser than Rohr, go ahead and stop him from taking the freekicks

SerVik:
I think Moses scored a FK in the Afcon qualifier against Cameroon that was ruled out as off even though mikel(the player that was off) didn't touch the ball.

True

Humility017:
just take a look at his lame analysis...that when the set piece is on the right...Moses should take the set piece as if Moses has ever scored any set piece

I asked you a question which you didn't answer, prior to iheanacho free-kick against Argentina, have you seen him score free-kick before

You think Rohr assign free kick duties to Moses because he likes his face or because he plays for Chelsea, I gave hou two reason why iheanacho cant take the responsibility of our freekicks and penalty, because his not a sure starter in he team.

If Rohr is biased and favouring Moses then he should have even added the captain band to him in Mikel absence.

kennysville:
At this rate, we need to set aside sentiments and allow whoever has better accuracy to take them free kicks and penalties. If I had to choose between KC and VicMo, I would choose KC and thats because he is business minded. Moses is a lil heady and tends to get away with some wayward plays just because he makes Chelsea tick. I think Icons4s was right that we dont utilize our set pieces well. Of what use are set pieces when we dont convert?

Please note guys.... I am not a VicMo hater. I just hate the fact that he gets caught in his own world. He needs to start playing with the team and for the team. I sincerely hope and pray he works on this aspect cos Naija peeps arent so forgiving. You dont believe me? ASK YAKUBU! That Yak miss was all that was needed for Naija to be ousted from 2010 world cup.

if you really put all sentiment out then you should know that dude is our best player, without his goals and assist we wont be in the worldcup.

Moses is always tracking back and putting his all for the team, you guys claim his selfish, yes sometimes you need those kinda player to unlock some defense ask hazard and neymar.

For the free-kick and corner, you all can see he unselfishly allowed Ekong to take one against poland and sometimes we see iheanacho and Mikel doing the corners, you guys fail to realise that iheanacho is not a starter and can't have the duty for the team solely.

Humility017:
how many free kicks has Moses scored for Nigeria....?
I can bet had Moses Simon or nancho being privileged to play some of those free kicks he keeps missing...it would have been well converted..
it took nancho just one free kick to make a statement in the match against Argentina I doubt if Victor Moses could score that.

before you saw iheanacho score the free-kick against Argentina, have you ever seen him score free-kicks, this guys train and the coaches ain't fools, Moses is not the free-kick taker because his moses...Think

kennysville:
If only Victor Moses go gree

Moses is not bad with the free-kick too, when the free-kick is in the left then them is more suited for v.Moses and right will be for Simon and kelechi, also remember that both of them are not sure started compare to v.moses

Icon4s:
Has any Nigerian ever scored from a free-kick in any World Cup?

Has Nigeria generally scored from any form of set piece, be it corner or indirect free kick?

We have not even won any penalty.

Still scratching my head.

As long as we cannot get goals except from open plays we will continue to struggle in major competitions like the WC.

Kalu Uche scored a free-kick against Greece

tbaba1234:
Nwakaeme ends his drought with a brace


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf8-H6msoiU

his actually playing from the wings

Icon4s:
The 23 players that are Most likely to make the final squad to the WC.

Believe it or not drawing this list is not as easy as it might seem.

Rohr can invite any 35 players from any where but baring any late withdrawals due to injuries, this is my predicted 23 players that will make the final list:

Goalkeepers
1. Francis Uzoho
2. Ikechukwu Ezenwa
3. Daniel Akpeyi

Defenders
4. William Troost-Ekong
5. Leon Balogun
6. Kenneth Omeruo
7. Chidozie Awaziem
8. Shehu Abdulahi
9. Tyrone Ebuehi
10. Brian Idowu
11. Elderson Echiejile

Midfielders
12. Wilfred Ndidi
13. Joel Obi
14. John Ogu
15. Mikel Obi
16. Oghenekaro Etebo
17. Ogenyi Onazi

Forwards
18. Alex Iwobi
19. Victor Moses
20. Moses Simon
21. Ahmed Musa
22. Kelechi Iheanacho
23. Odion Ighalo

Two players that have out-side chances but they will have to displace two players from the list above:

Dele Aiyenugba for Daniel Akpeyi (Dele likely to become first choice if Rohr does the needful)

Olaoluwa Aina for Elderson Echiejile (I feel for Aina but Echiejile's experience is a major advantage for him) Except we are going with 9 defenders but who will drop from the midfield or forwards. Besides, what are we doing with 3LBs in the WC?


So Chief Kog45 there you have it. You now understand why I would rather invite 25 and drop 2.

very realistic, but Joel may not make the worldcup team, maybe his slot will be giving to a more attacking player

Kog45:
Pls have you watched this guy cos have not,scoring against Juve last week and again today,seems a good player,post WC gonna sweet.

his more of a box striker

Simy scores again for crotone

Kog45:
OK how do you see Sallah,is Sallah a scorer or dribbler?

Which kind question be this, every player can dribble but some does it better than others, definitely iheanacho is comfortable with the ball in his feet, I saw how he took the keeper out in Zambia and was in no rush and scored.

he might no be in thesame level with some player like mahrez and Moses but he does dribble