₦airaland Forum

Ahmed Musa scored for CSKA

Ekong on the bench

Farzat:
There you go again. Igbo people influence some part of Rivers. I think you are actually misunderstanding Tribe for state. The indigenous people has lived so many years before the creation of states, the creation of states by the Military Government divides tribes into different states thereby causing a lot of identity crisis in Nigeria today. Are you surprised that there are Igala speaking tribe in Anambra state today? Please dont misunderstand states as boundary for tribes.

Jaja of opobo...have you ever come across that before??

Farzat:
Bro i think you're actually d cause of this debate. How is Olisaeburuwa a Benin word? That imo and abia people dont use d word does not make it a borrowed word. Igbo dialects, cultures and gods differs. You can tell which part of igboland someone is from by his attire and secondly by his dialect and I beleive all these dialects are influenced by d language of their neighbouring tribes, its just vice versa. So dont tell me the tribes that influenced igbo without telling me how igbo influenced them.

Cant you see we are saying the same thing, I'm an igbo man and I dont see how is a shame to be influence by a certain people, Lagos which is the commercial hub of Nigeria was influence too. Just like the igbo people influence some part of river state, just like calabar people influence the ohafia and Abiriba people in present day Abia state.

Everyone know God in igbo is CHI and CHUKWU and the benin is OLISE, OLISA or OSA, why does the western Igbo choose to beat names like olisaemeka instead of CHUKWUemeka. If you go to Abiriba or ohafia in Abia they bear name like Obasi which means God in calabar.

I actually did not cause the argument, I was only trying to help in solving the puzzle of the OSAYI guy root,

gamaliel9:
Then we should be arguing that he needs to improve on passsing game if HE IS DOING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL
And worst still not scoring goals...since we know were he is coming from. These his tackling stats are a clear evidence of his talent as a backman

You must not score loads of goals in the DM position I think we already had this kinda discussion before, his passing game is improving

gamaliel9:
We need Ndidi back as central defender. I am not comfortable with the way European coaches change our players position[though not only ours ooo that Bolivian at Man U], Mourinho 'killed' Michael[Mikel] Obi,a potent attacking midfielder,Gbenga Okunowo,a solid midfielder was turned into a defender at Barcalona by Van Gaal,now,that coach at Gent has turned Ndidi into a defensive midfielder while the guy is a superb central defender

Under Siasia and Obu,as an u21,he was our best junior defender,two solid world cups. I believe that had Ndidi being allowed to blossom in his natural position,he would have shown more class that Cannavaro and Puyol by now

They are professional and should adapt to change, Ndidi is doing very well in the midfield

OMANBALA1:
Again, you expose your ignorance once more. Igbos had kings but we didnt practice monarchy....pick a danm book and educate yourself. Nnewi had kings and by hierarchy, Nri had the oldest kingdom in Nigeria and Arochukwu had kings plus all other little towns in Anambra like Obosi king,Eze Iweka, whom Upper Iweka was named after. Your last sentence sounds retarded as ffuuck Are you on drugs?

You sound so much like a kid

Mujtahida:
Me I don't understand the sweat and heat just because someone said that the Bini Kingdom influenced parts of Igboland. Even as non Binis we all read about the powerful Bini Kingdom.( And I'm proud of it. I dey proud of Shaka the Zulu and Imhotep the Egyptian who is recorded as being the first multi genius as I well take pride in the whole of Egyptian cultural advancement, na Bini I no go come take pride in just because na my neighbour abi?)

Is this totally impossible that both cultures influenced each other given the fact of the proximity between Bini and Igboland? Is it not possible that cultural cross currents between both people could have taken place in the past?

Now let me amplify the point you made at the bolded

Just yesterday I was reading in a magazine that the coronation of the Obi of Onitsha is not complete without the emissaries of the Attah of Igala. So if I said igala influenced parts of Igboland (and actually we the Igalas are geographically contiguous with some parts of Igboland. some igala communities are indigenous to Anambra state sef, I never knew until the Nnamdi Kanu saga last year and I was pleased to learn so)

The Ejubejuailo (The Ata’s pectoral Mask) is said to be gotten from the Binis. We call coconut Uno'oba meaning the coconut of the Oba of Bini possibly because the coconut came to igala land from Bini. Igalas have kin relationship with Asaba people, Yoruba (we are so linguistically close to the Yorubas) Nupe, Jukun and Igbirra people. All these cultures, must have influenced each other. Queen Amina of Zaria died in igala land during one of her military expeditions. Imagine Zaria to igala land 500 years ago!

Igalas were at one time paying tribute to the Jukuns. It is even said that the only woman to ever sit on the throne as Attah of Igala was a Jukun Princess. Sometimes I wonder how all these could be considering that the Jukuns are in far away Taraba. But thats the history. so that Onitsha has communities between it and Bini does not make it impossible that Bini influenced Onitsha. And who says that Onitsha too could possibly not have influenced Bini?


Why the frothing almost wounded sensitivity to such an assertion as made by Martz101?. For me it's even a good thing that contrary to what many think our people were relating culturally, economically and linguistically long before the white man came. This much has been established by the historiographical works of people like Professor E. J Alagoa who showed how the communities in the Niger Delta were relating in commerce, culture and politics before the white man came. And then Professor Abdullahi Smith of A. B. U Zaria (an English man who converted to islam) did same thing about the kanem Bornu Kingdom and Hausa land in the North.

Now to what you said about Arabic. - Alcohol, Algebra, Almanac, alkali (in chemistry) and so many other words I can't recall now are all Arabic words that have been anglicised.
Thug is from the Hindu thuggee, guru nko? Tycoon is from the Japanese Taigun.

If countries as far as India, Arabia Japan could influence English language what about ethnic cultural groups who live so closely here in Nigeria.

That your culture was influenced by another culture does not make it weak, does not mean you are subservient to the influencing culture. Go and do an analysis of the English language and you'd be shocked how it has borrowed words from French, Latin, German, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Arabic language and yet it is the number one global language.

Is a joy to see intelligent mind like you that discuss issue like this with a matured touch to it. let me add that cultural and language influence has no geography bound, the itsekiri people who are Yorubish in there culture,language and names live in the present day delta state surrounded by igbos and benin.

Words in today Yoruba still has Arabic influence to it e.g Adura, alubosa and barika...languages travel just like some English words are influence by the French

safarigirl:
Omanbala is the last person you want to drag Igbo history with, forget what you think you know, he will FLOOR you


Meanwhile, I want to correct an erroneous claim in your post. Historically, the Igbo ethnic group does not run a monarchy system of government.

The only thing that brought about Obi and all the other titles was colonialism. When the whites came, they found the Igbo system of government difficult to control because there was no central government, unlike what obtained in Yoruba land (Oba) and thr North (Emirs and Sultan) so, they installed a monarch, with whom they could relate with the people.


So, that claim that Benin influenced monarchy in Igbo land is ludicrous, especially considering that even till this day, most Igbos couldn't give two shiits about any Obi of anywhere.

Let me now leave you to Omanbala....you dey even use Azikiwe as example . Make correct Igbo people no catch you dey use Azikiwe as example when talking about Igbo men, that is like using Rochas as example today.

To start with your first paragraph, erase such mindset, it wont take you anywhere, rule number one never believe someone idea is better than yours just because of who they are.

Now you are actually right by the fact that igbo dont have kings but the western Igbo do have, Obi onitsha kingship started 1550, Eze Chima was the first and we already have 18 ezes already, the white men didn't start the obi monarchy for anambra people, they only felt more comfortable dealing with people with good monarchy.

OMANBALA1:
First of you should be grossly ashamed of yourself if indeed you are Igbo because you dont know a danm thing about Igbo history neither the one of the Bini people. I dont want to delve into who Bini influenced because it will turn to a mockery in this thread. Let me just say that the exaggeration of Bini Kingdom is not just shocking but pathetic and miserable.

Since you want to go there with me lets get it on...The influence Bini has on Onitsha is not up to 1% of Onicha culture...Other than the monarchy system Onicha probably borrowed from them and few titles like Iyasele, Osodi and very minor others what else? Onicha culture is 99% Omanbala influenced starting from ancient practices like masqurades, chants, title systems like Nze na Ozo, Nze na Ozo noble dance like ufie, egwu ota the Obi dances during Ofala, ancient shrines like Ogwugwu Omena the one Afam Ogbotobo sings about. Igba Odu /Ivory title an Omanbala cultural item. You are shamelessly ignorant and unintelligent ,my nigga. I hate talking to inferiors!

And what attire are you talking about ? Your Bini people just started wearing Nze na Ozo red hat introduced by Aguleri chiefs in the 18th century. You nobi only Igbo ,you be Eze Nri! Obi of Onicha never dressed anything like Oba of Bini, meanwhile your Oba and his chiefs copied cassocks introduced by the Portuguesse Rev. Farthers when they arrived during exploration. Dont let me tell you who is your true father, akali ogoli! Defensive for what? Your want me to shut up so you can insult my race.

Osita short for Ositadimma means it shall be well with you going forward. Olisadebe means may God preserve. Morka, Modu ,Mordi all has something in common ,muo a guiding spirit. Anioma people have a beautiful and strong culture and there are some names indigenous to them ,Ogude is one. Odiah is a typical Igbo name. Look, you cant just jump in here making unfounded claims with your neo-edonization and think you wont be kicked into gutter. Igbo man my left yansh! We see everything you are doing in your little closed facebook page. Bini wey no reach 20,000 in 17th century. Biafran war has dealt a disaster to the Igbo race! If not you will be cleaned out by little groups from Anioma!

My friend calm down, you dont need such hate speech and insult, now to the festival our "Ofala" was influenced by the IGUA festival, you can investigate on that in your spare time.

for the kingship system, the western Igbo practice very similar one with the benin people, where royal family are recognised, I'm sure you've had about the saying "igbo ewe eze" it means igbo dont have kings but it only apply To the heartland igbo area which include the imo, abia and some part of ebonyi.

You tried translating the names I listed which even made you look more confused OLISAdebe you said means God preserve but you forgot to tell us that OLISA is a benin word for God, we all know what igbo call God, and in imo or abia that name should be CHIdebe or CHUKWUdebe.

Bros onitsha was not the only region greatly influence by the great benin empire, present day rivers, delta, bayelsa, ondo, ekiti and even lagos was influence too.

So lets stop derailing this thread, but if you really wanna talk more about it, we could continue probably via WhatsApp

OMANBALA1:
I dont want to turn this thread into Edo vs Igbo but Edo culture didnt influence Anambra/Omanbala and definitely not Enugu. What you have is Anioma people who moved to Anambra during the brutal agha iduu n'oba. How can you prove Olisaebuluwa is derived from Osanobua. Some of these words are shared among these ethnic groups. And dont make the mistake of thinking Ovie and Osifo are Igbo names because they are not. Those Anioma's that bear those names are Bini migrants. While you are on your Edonization project remember the Igbo language or it variant is spoken through out Anioma. Some of the claims Edo people make are very offensive and annoying. Let me stop here before I get angry

To start with I'm not Edo but rather igbo, from history we all know Benin kingdom was one of most influential kingdom in West Africa, and they went on to influence cities close to them

They influence onitsha area politically, culturally and also with the name, the kingship system is really influence by the benin, Obi attire is identical with the Benins.

Names like Osadebe, Odiah, osita, morka, ogude are all heavily influence by benin no wonder Nnamdi azikiwe claim he believe his ancestors are from Benin. this is not a history section but always open your mind and stop been defensive.

tbaba1234:
Awaziem took a direct free kick today that needed a great save from the keeper. It is interesting to see that Ranieri trusts Awaziem enough to take free kicks. He must be taking good free kicks in training.

In the Super Eagles, Victor Moses seems to have been given the role automatically.

Is it a distance freekick?

tbaba1234:
There are overlaps in culture. Osayi is an Edo name as well... Also Edo people (and delta) are fond of giving English names like, Bright, Friday, Amen .. as first names.. If i am to take a guess, I would say Edo based on the name structure.

Edo culture influence influence some part of Igbo land, like Anambra and enugu, names like Olisa,osifor, ovie and even more. so he could be Igbo

gamaliel9:
Roger Milla,Paulo Rossi,Boniek,Rabah Madger,Vahid Halilhodzic,Zico,Kostandinov,Vialli,Ceulemans,Lahkdar Belloumi,Emilio Butragueno,Preben Elkjaer,Voeller,Peter Beardsley,Timouni,Claudio Canniggia,Oman-Biyik,Illie Dumitrescu,Bebeto,Thomas Brolin,Fredy Rincon,Davor Suker,Carlos Aguilera,Faustino Aspirilla,Chapuisat,Oleg Salenko and his patner Dymitri Radchenko,Zola,Hugo Sanchez,Dennis Berkamp,Tore Andre Flooooo,Mboma.Zamarano,Raul,Recoba....

Savvy?

These are the ones i can remember,each of these are match deciders,like Payet...Did you watch anyone of them?

great players they are but some have different playing style compare to him

Icon4s:
Just like many other ex-youth internationals.

imoh didn't play for our youth team, just the Olympic team and I think his move to UAE spoilt alot of thing for him

edi287:
Well if you reply a thought I put across, I'm afraid I am. Or do you read minds?

You ain't communicating

edi287:
Ignore my posts from now on if I "dey form king solomon".
It's a weekend. If you want wahala, I have all the time in the world.

Bros no get high BP

gamaliel9:
Roger Milla,Paulo Rossi,Boniek,Rabah Madger,Vahid Halilhodzic,Zico,Kostandinov,Vialli,Ceulemans,Lahkdar Belloumi,Emilio Butragueno,Preben Elkjaer,Voeller,Peter Beardsley,Timouni,Claudio Canniggia,Oman-Biyik,Illie Dumitrescu,Bebeto,Thomas Brolin,Fredy Rincon,Davor Suker,Carlos Aguilera,Faustino Aspirilla,Chapuisat,Oleg Salenko and his patner Dymitri Radchenko,Zola,Hugo Sanchez,Dennis Berkamp,Tore Andre Flooooo,Mboma.Zamarano,Raul,Recoba....

Savvy?

These are the ones i can remember,each of these are match deciders,like Payet...Did you watch anyone of them?

lol no sir

Chrismario:
Chneke nna
U wan burst me

The guy dey form king Solomon

edi287:
Made no sense but ok...

You are not the judge on what make sense or not

edi287:
Your point is?

anybody can be scouted by any club

edi287:
They scouted Payet more than usual. Just like Lacazette was scouted since he was 16 till Wenger decided to take a risk on him

Just like they scouted messi, ronaldo,ibrahimovic, yaya toure

edi287:
Payet has always been known to be talented, the problem is he's been inconsistent. Only started showing a bit of consistency in his last season at Marseille and West Ham. That's why Arsenal didn't sign him. They scouted him much much earlier.

Arsenal scouted every good player

gamaliel9:
Watching Dymitry Payet reminds me of players that walked this planet between early 1980s and late 2000s...This age and generation is second class

Who

safarigirl:
I want to send Iwobi an encouraging message on IG, he really needs it if they are trolling him that hard

But I'm priding in myself and I wouldn't want to be seen as one of those fan girls, so .....Iwobi, be strong, innugo? Great men have gone through trials such as this, even your uncle for all his legendary status and greatness, also had mean stuff said of him by frustrated fans....lucky for him, there was no social media with which they could troll him directly


You will shut them up in Russia, I believe in your ministry. Keep balling and keep working hard

Thats the spirit

isan:
This isco sef how can u have 100% passing against atlhetico and juventus mad stat

underrated

komekn:
Choose your word carefully, nobody is getting into heated anger driven discourse


This is quite encouragement and constructive encouragement that to reach the top you will require discipline, focus and diligence not just talent to get you to the next level.

This is not about missing a sitter but his whole game and delivery and what is required to get you to the next level. Particularly, as he wishes to one day fill his Uncles JJay's Boots. Time and opportunity wait for know one.

Stop telling blatant lies see the bold green , read properly before you comment its considered wisdom

Bro where were you when he has a very good game last weekend?

Icon4s:
Nigeria Vs Cameroon, Onazi was the box to box midfielder while Ndidi was the DM.

oga forget we played 2 DM, they both take turn to push sometimes

Bolowolowo:
I understand your concerns too bro. We all want the best for our GWG. No vex.

Is ok bro, I am not really a big fan of Musa but I don't like to see were people bring other people down, if Musa was in Nairaland yesterday I swear he might commit suicide

Bolowolowo:
Oya, we were just joking about what the coach said. Notice as I put laughing emojis in there too. The whole thread was joking over it. Abeg, lighten up. It'll be Friday soon.

ok sir

Joebie:
lol that babalawo looking moniker

mehn I fear o

komekn:
Considering our need of strikers why has he not been invited

Is he the top goal scorer and or in the top 5 goal scorers in his league , how many goals has he scored, is he prolific he should be if he is to replace any of the current strikers the Danish league is far from top quality , however if Nwakali can be invited from the even lower Norwegian league , why not Paul.

I don't make deductions on a player from video clips it is too easily contrived, so I am not overly impressed by the video clips as well.

I know players from Nordic leagues who have come back to play non league in England.

I said nice clips, those questions should be forwarded to Rohr, you don't get it, not all players must play for Gwg at same time