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FriendChoice:
The simple thing , I want you to understand from all what you hear or browse, somethings don't have prove, some have. I believe you agreed in quoting the Qur'an.

Quran explain all those companion are people who he trust. His wives are also mothers of the nations. If you want I can quote the verses. So for someone to be telling you, this 1 fought with this one, so I will go for this one and hate the other 1, then something is wrong with that person, those companion Allah himself have trust. After years some 1 wake up and tell you I hate this, I like this, this is one of the ideology of Shi'a. Shia has caus the 3 caliph, they only believe in Ali (R.D), they believe in Fatima (R.D). They insult the other wives of Muhammad (SAW). They indirectly insult the Muhammad himself. I think you should go and ask what is shia, because what you're saying it what shi'a says. But indicate if you want me to explain what is shi'a and what is people referred to as Sunni. I wount be biased in my explanations?

Muhammad peace be upon him wealth was basically for the poor Masses even when he is alive, and even if he dies you cannot inherit him, nor shall his wife be inherited.

lets agree not to debate on shia, as you have observed am not a shia, lets go away from the hadith, let me state my point very clear, over the years in history christainity, Islam, judeaism, Hindus, buddist have all have theur fair share of mixing politics with religion, if sunni Muslims believes bukhari amd Muslim hadith to be the real one and others good and not so good, ask yourself why? its not a debate, its just a question, ali's wife was the only surviving Mohammed 's daughter, if he would want to bequest his wealth to anyone it will be to Ali's wife, also note ali is Mohammed 's cousin and he was the second to accept his teaching, read about usthman dan fodio too, similar things happened, Mohammed 's daughter lost her pregnancy when the caliph sent soldiers to drag Ali to come and pay homage, which he did later to save his life, the wife wasn't saved, she died from the injury months later, i wanted to rest this fort and back talk, cis i was busy with work, now am ready, separate religion from politics and you will get ther answer yourself.

FriendChoice:
I did not see any contradiction, I see contradistinction, its not different Hadith, its same Hadith that clearly explain it. Secondly you are only justifying that Muhammad (SAW) has prohibited writing of Hadith and not showing me it contradict. You're only making your point he prohibited. I still ask same question, Make a reference it is prohibited using what you believe is authentic in Islam not Hadith which you don't believe. If you cannot, then it's not prohibited since you have no source to back your claim. And if you agree 2 use the Hadith in this case, that shows its authentic. You're only choosing to be hypocrite. Don't ignore this, choose 1 for me

Regarding your example. Its not one person that write Hadith. So if the father of this spend only 30 years and die. The father of another person can spend 90 more than the entire 80 years u mentioned.

Since you know the age, don't know where you find it, now tell me the history of the Hadith, who is the grandfather of Bukhari how old is he when he died, also his father, then Bukhari himself, then I will believe that generation exist within 80 years, then the first Hadith is written.

guy nvm, its all good you win, you happy now, we all know different people wrote the hadith thats why some are clssified authentic, good and weak, question is how reliable are they to be believed, i cited the example of the 1st caliph that denied Mohammed daughter are inheritance, quoting that the prophet does not have earthly asset, his assests are in heaven, if he didn't why did he amasse the assest when he was alive, his daughter said he promised him the land, the 1st caliph was Mohammed in law, his own daughter was a rival to the mother of Muhammad daughter, heck he sent soldiers to bring her husband to pay homage after he was elected at arms point immediately Mohammed died even before he was buried, Mohammed was not just a religious leader but also a political head, his successors will bring up lies to succeed him and claim the throne, look beyond religion and you will get the answers.

FriendChoice:
3 generation in 80years lie of the century. Muhammad says Narrate from me, you quote half of Hadith and you keep quite, Muhammad (SAW) don't write from me, after you said you don't believe in Hadith, you're quoting it, hypocrisy. Since you don't believe in Hadith, I challenge you to show me where he says don't write from me. Use something else as reference not Hadith. Why quote something u don't agree with.


Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down
anything from me, and he who took down anything
from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that
AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it
and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he
should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

am only showing you how your tremendous authentic book is contradicting itself, that said no more quotes from it, enuf said

Back to the 3generations after death that can be 80 years.

I will explain to you like you are 5 years old
So read slowly so that you can grab it

Lets say Mohammed died in year 1900, that same year a man was born called Ade in 1930 ade had a kid when he was 30 years called segun, in 1960 Segun had a son called tunde that is 3 generation from 1900 to 1960 after the death of a person in 1900,

i hope you are clear now?

you are welcome

FriendChoice:
Hahaha. Accept you lie, 3 generation in 80years, you said if possible grandfather is alive, father, then son. Then who knows better, the grandfather who is first generation, father the second, or grandchild the 3rd generation. Why will 3rd generation while the first are there

smh, seems comprehension is pretty hard.
Let me help you
If someone says a book was written 3 generation after "death "of person

In another post says 80 years" after death "of the same person, what is the lie there?
Oh you fail to understand that 3 generation can make up to 80 years? Am even being fair quoting 80 years when the gap between Mohammed and al Bukhari and muslim is almost 200 years so whats the fuss about? Mohammed said do not write anything down for me except what is in the koran

FriendChoice:
LOOK This Bellow

its still the samething am saying, after he passed away 3 generations, same 3 generation is in 80 yrs, haba my word did not change, 80yrs, 3 generations, its that simple to comprehend

ireneony:
Hmmmmm

Y are you sad, lol, they look good together nau, or you remember something?

FriendChoice:
If all the 3 are present, why will the grandchild Write it when the First generation are alive.

lol, you are way smarter than this, am sure you saw where i wrote 3 generations after his death.

FriendChoice:
You said first published was 80 years old After his death Previously you said it was written After 3 generation when Muhammad (SAW) passed away. Tree generation in 80 Years.?.?.?

Please don't talk to me on Shia again, if you can ask where did I get it from, dat means you don't know shi'a at all. I ask you to go 4 research and you don't want, you are just interested in baseless argument. If you quote me without investigating, then I shall ignore it.

lol, you can have 3 generations in a century, if your grandmother is still alive, thats a generation, your father, another generation, yours 3rd generation all can b alive at d same time. Gerrit.

FriendChoice:
What am I justifying? Do you even read what I wrote? According to Hadith above Muhammad allow Hadith to be written and that is what you ask basically.
SECONDLY I ask you to go 4 research before speaking about shi'a, you said you're not aware they don't believe in some verses of Quran, then go for research and drop your argument for now. No Muslim can know the Quran better than Muhammad and authentic Hadith is believe by all Muslims except Muslims with your thinking and Shi'a. To no surprise, shi'a don't believe in the entire Quran tackles of Hadith. Shi'a believe the prophesy is not for Muhammad Pbum rather for his cousin Ali (R D). What is the surprise if they don't believe in Hadith. All group of Muslim, including the so called terrorist believe in Hadith, they only explain wrongly to their followers.

very funny, hadith said Mohammed later allowed hadith to be written, when and how was the hadith written? no hadith was written when he was alive, the 1st published hadith was written 80 years after his death, Mohammed knew nothing about hadith, its a book people wrote to claim credibility to be Muslim leaders, am not surprise at what you said about shia, as I can see you don't refer to them as true Muslims, prophesy for Ali? where did u get that from?

Jengem:
He made his money from abacha


Tell that one to the breeze

abacha? lol, very funny. Belief whatever you want

Cromagnon:
not if i poison all of you first
if you want food
enter kitchen yourself

oga go sleep abeg moving on

FriendChoice:
Since you have some knowledge of Islam, go and research on what shi'a is and why do they reject some Hadith. Shi'a has also rejected some part of the Quran. Third caliph of Islam Compile the Quran, Usman (R.D) is among those who Allah himself have trusted. And that is part of God promise that he will protect the Quran.

And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. [Quran 9: 100] Muhajiruun = Companions from Mecca. Ansar = Companions who received the prophet (people of madina) [/b]

Response: The prophet (pbuh) forbade the writing of Hadith in the early stages of Islam, he feared that his sayings and the Quran would be mixed. Later on when the Quran was nearly completed he allowed for the Hadith to be written.

The Full Hadith, what Sa’id Khudri narrated is below:

Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that AND narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me −he should in fact find his abode in the Hell−Fire.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book 42, Number 7147 )

its on record that the hadith was not writing at anytime Muhammad was alive so stop justifying that, am not aware of any part of the koran shia don't believe in, where sunni and shia differs is on hadith, which is books written by various people stating various claims to the Prophet, uf you have an open mind, you will know politics was clearly involved, the division in Islam started the same day Mohammed died, thats pure politics, not a divine situation, the hadith authentic by you is considered false by other Muslims, and you want to use it to understand the koran? Isis and boko haram leaders apso have their own writings few years to come their members will consider the writings as truthful.

Jengem:
Niger delta wealth on display

he made his money from Gum Arabic, not everyone makes money from oil.

todayboy:
May God give me a good son like tompolo and not a despot like buhari.

Tompolo you have made your dad a national hero God bless you

are you aware of how many people tompolo killed before amnesty era? becareful what you pray for

Mazeed:
You see the problem I have with you is that talking to you is like pouring down water on a rock which will absolutely yield nothing. Please before you call upon Islamic state and the rest, who are the moguls, who are the crusaders, for sure these are terrorist group in your own christiandom which shows that no religion is free from evil perpetuators.

monguls and crusaders were not terrorist groups oooo, one was an army of an empire the other liberation forces, terrorist groups are very different, they attack and kill for no just cause.

FriendChoice:
Qur'an is revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him. He understand the Qur'an more than anyone, Hadith is the commentary of Quran. That is one of the purpose of Prophet to explain in details what God message is. If anyone explain Quran on his own understanding without consulting Muhammad pbum explanation then he will go and do evil. E.g Boko Haram. If you follow only what is written in Qur'an without the commentary (Hadith) then you will not pray the way Muslim pray today, you will not perform ablution as the Islamic world do. The Qur'an ask to pray, it did not explain how to pray. the prophet explain it.

Allah promise to guide the Quran

‘" We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr Stone land-:9)

If Allah Almighty has promise to guide the Quran. Hadith is the explanation of Quran, do you think Allah will allow wrong explanation to Quran? The answer is no.

Not all Hadith are Authentic, only Authentic Hadith
are used by Muslims, Authentic Hadith are written
down and non Authentic Hadith are also written
down.

If any Hadith is two way sided, some of it true and
some no clear evidence that Prophet said this, then
it's rendered invalid. There are other criteria for checking it authenticity.

Hadith have source, I cannot wake up and say this is Hadith of prophet. Take any Hadith, u will see source chain, Some Hadith are narrated by Companions, some wives of the prophet. Understand me, I am not saying u must believe in Hadith, you're not Muslim. What I am saying is, I quote a Hadith on moon to justify weather, u cannot say it can't be accepted, that doesn't concern you. What u should say is: The Hadith I quoted is false and be ready to provide evidence.

What I don't like in your argument is using GPS to detect the presence of moon. claiming countries use settrlit to detect the moon.

I am interested to know more, u believe Jesus peace be upon him is not God, why don't you believe in Muhammad peace be upon. Why don't u accept Islam?

the hadith you believe in is also disputed by a part of the Islamic world the shia you call some authentic and …some others not Authentic, Hadith were not written until 3 generation after Muhammad passed away, most were written to lay claims to be his successor, just like Aisha father who succeed him didn't give his daughter any part of his estate claiming the prophet had no earthly possession, but he gave his own children when he died, read my brother find out the truth, separate politics of old from religion, Christianity had its own fair share of politics and religion together, if you have to read the hadith to understand the koran as you claimed, wont Mohammed have ordered it to be written when he was alive? even the Koran eas not complied until after his death by the 3rd caliph.

Cromagnon:
if you cannot enter the kitchen you will eat what evr we remember to give you and you will like it by jove you will savour it.and we will from time to time give you some parts of us (spit, sheet,pubes,even menses) yummy
we own you
deal with it

the king will have u hanged besides i will put my guards in the kitchen to watch u

UIA04:
Judging from your dp both of you are the same.
BTW why open your legs like you want to defecate?

you and your mouth ehn, smh lol.

Cromagnon:
then you eat whatever scraps are served to you(no be onlly master,na monster)

lolzzzz masters don't eat scrap? if you serve us scrap we cut off your head or hang you, my brother, lol have a nice day.

FriendChoice:
If you dont believe in hadith, that doesn't mean Muslim don't. It doesn't matter weda u gree or not. And you're great liar, Muslim never use astronomy in citing Month. if moon is cited we break fast, if its not we continue if cloud have barricade the moon. And in the first post u said verse, we talk of Friday prayer not moon citing. So all example I sited 4 u, Pakistan celebrate Eid on different day with us, then Niger Republic also, u did not say anything about it.

Show me when astronomy was used for moon citing.

my brother take a chill pill, am not one of those who try to discredit Islam on nairaland, to me, the level Islam is right now christianity did worse, and its called the dark ages.

Now let me address the issue with hadiths u hope you can observe my s in the word hadith,

According to Mohammed, he had a revelation which was the koran nit the hadith, you asked me a question b4 if i believe in the old testament, and i answered you that I adhere to it, am not ine of the Christians that belief Jesus is God, we have only one God, neither am I a Jehova witness, but coming back to the hadith, you know that people that wrote various hadith were not part of Mohammed generation, they were not even born when he was alive, try and make your research Mohammed might have had a purpose but after his death politics was played in whom wi succeed him, various books were written to lay claim to his position, that is why we have sunni, which is what most Muslim are and shia,
Read my brother, religion is personal, if the Chinese, indians Japanese and koreans can all wear suit and tie like the muric prof, and set aside two days in a week even tho they are not Christians, why can't we for peace to reign, to me its secular, and Nigeria is secular, i enjoy our talk, I look forward to more of your opinion, let i said 50% if my family are Muslims, there are Muslims in Tanzania, Ghana but they are very different to what we have here in Nigeria. Read about ustman dan fodio, he was born in Nigeria and there were Muslim kings in the North before he was born, just read and be true to your self, keeo your faith in Islam but be objective.

FriendChoice:
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
HADITH_No 2379Â

Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said:
Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon), but if the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty).


Try harder in your argument.

this is hadith not the Koran, i said in the 1st post u quote that no where in koran, i purposely didn't mention hadith, that said all these were said when man believes the world was flat now we know better, the lunar cycle can be predicted with precision, arab astronomers of those days were even the best astronomers.

FriendChoice:
Don't argue in what you don't know. Its not done like the way you said. Last year, we did 29 fast and cite the moon and Eid was celebrated, Pakistan did not and continue the fast till 30. Likewise in many cases, few years ago we celebrated eid on a different day with Niger Republic, They cite the moon we did not. The weather is different. The Islamic calendar is not accurate, even now I have 1 at home, the eid date is 13 in the calendar while the eid will be celebrate on 12.

weather and moon? smh, you can do better

FriendChoice:
Sultan made a mistake, those that means we are giving extra holiday Everytime for Muslim. He is man, he is bound to mistake. You yourself don't u mek mistake.

You're very wrong.

The Eid day can not be certain, the Lunar month had 29 days, then new month start. But sometimes, the Lunar month is not cited on the 29th day, then it's extended to 30.

So in that case we fast 30 instead of 29. The sultan predict the month is 29, then it becomes 30. And that is how it's all over the Islamic world NOT what u said above. Go and Ask your siblings.

NARRATOR AbuHurayrah SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
HADITH_No 2379Â





FINALLY: I did not get the number 1 you ask. I read again I couldn't see where I wrote Muslim are oppressed by others. Remind me.

But I will still answer you from the little I understand from the question. Boko Haram Isis etc oppress Muslim morthan any religion. They kill Muslims, they make Muslims refugee, they try to tanish the Image of the religion With their half knowledge. If you doubt go to North East and see. And Islam and Muslim have made it clear are representing themselves

the eid day can be 100% certain, we are in modern day, with satellite, GPS, the Arab world have their calendar, which is Islamic, it has never being wrong since the 80s, why should ours be different in Nigeria? There is a reason for leap years, same principle apply to the moon when its circum navigating the earth. The Islamic calendar is very accurate we don't need someone to do that,
We i talked about the oppressed, i was quoting the Muric Prof not you.

FriendChoice:
When you're talking of Nigeria, basically only two religion are considered in many things and you know that also. And you said other faith should also demand holiday 365....... Ok since this is happening, why not remove Sunday holiday for the purpose of Equality, you should be given two hours break on Sunday for worship since it's Jews that brought work free day.

You also said it's practice in China, India etc. What is our business with them. Why should we copy them.

SECONDLY: You ask Islam have been in the North since 16 century, why the call now 4 Friday work free.

Remember Not only in northern Nigeria Muslim exist, many Yorubas in South West practice Islam and few in the South East. I look at muric I realise that the group are Yorubas (Correct me if wrong). So don't blame North. Muslim are Muslim regardless of section or Tribe.

Coming to the question: The answer is simple, the call 4 Friday work free day is as a result of how Christians in Nigeria react to simple things regarding Islam. shouting Marginalization, second class citizens, why Muslim will were hijab. You're all the ones who started it.


Where on earth? Immediately after Ramadan, it follows Eid Fitr (Sallah). Only two days public holiday are declared. Where did you get the information on extra holiday?
Now answer me, do you believe in Old testament.

let me start from the last part, the Old testament is part of the bible and i adhere to it and believe God, there is a reason its called "Old"

2 this year eid el fitri was celebrated for 3days, after the sultan made a mistake about sighting the moon, when all the calendar in Islamic world had the correct day on it since last year.

Anyone who wants to wear hijab should wear it even in public school, but everyone must be identifiable, covering the face is not allowed,not only Muslim women or girls wear hijab, rev sisters and mothers wear hijab too, Indians do cover their head,
Am from the sw and i have muslims in my family, we tolerate eachother, am waiting for Monday to eat salah ram, religious beliefs is suppose to be personal, not force, what the MURIC prof is postulating is alien in Yoruba land, fanning embers of hatred between the people.

3 everyone feel marginalized in this country, thats why the call for restructuring is at its peak now, if we hace true federal system, states with higher no if Muslims can practice sharia law, cancel Sunday and make Friday work free.

Back to your no 1 No oooo your prof said Muslims, are oppressed by others, please who is the other? ifa people and Christians, this what Isis, boko haram call others, oppressors and they go on killing spree,

FriendChoice:
You ask where does Muhammad peace be upon him get Friday? and you go on answering yourself.
It's clearly stated

Allah says:


" O you who have believed, when [the adhan] is called for the prayer on the day of Jumu'ah [Friday], then proceed to the remembrance of Allah and leave trade. That is better for you, if you only knew. [Quran 62:9]

The verse here is telling you, to leave your business and all other things to go and pray. then it proceed

And when the prayer has been concluded, disperse within the land and seek from the bounty of Allah , and remember Allah often that you may succeed. [Quran 62: 10]

The second verse is only telling you, you're allowed after Prayer to continue with what you're doing. If you chooses to go back home and sleep, nothing is wrong. And it's done in Arab countries. People don't go to work on Friday.



Coming back to you: Show me the verse that ask you to go to church on Sunday. That verse above u quoted does not in anyway explain that. Observe Sabbath ? Which day Saturday or Sunday or it has two meaning? Observe the Sabbath day (Some hours or all of it)

If some then you have 2 go 2 work for the remaining hours. If all of it? why do you spend only few hours there? Beside the fact, that verse is old testament, have you now accept the ruling in old testament

lol nice one, have answered that foe u already, Mohammed said God said said you should observe jumat(Friday )prayers and also go back to work. The ten commandments is in the Old testament and it is strictly adhered too, can we also have an extra holiday aa you guys had after rammadan? the man is talking about oppressors, who is oppressing him, should ifa worshipper also demand 365 work free holidays for their various gods?? are we not oppressing them already? mamy countries that do not practice christianity observe Saturday and Sunday work free, china, India, Japan, work free days are allien to African, Islam was in Nothern Nigeria since 16 century, jumat was not declared work free, why now?
The idea of a work free day was came from the Jewish people not Christians, Christians only adopt it, the problem of Saturday and Sunday arise from the debate of which of the two days is really the 7th day of the week thus the two were set free.

Beauty Queens should note that 86% of sports stars get broke less than 7 years after retiring from active sports, money is very important but not everything.

FriendChoice:
No where in the Bible, God or Jesus said Christian should go to church on Sunday talk less of Sunday-Free-Day

let me help u, there is nothing like the word Christian in the bible, but in the bible it is written , thou shall observe the Sabbath day, some Christians choose Saturday as their Sabbath day, some others Sunday, the Jews stick to Saturday, where did Muhammad got Friday from? that aside, in Muhammad days everyone went back to work after Jumat service, if you want to be like Muhammad then you have to work on Friday after Jumat.

No where in the Quran is jumat declared a work free day oga prof of Islam

What is wrong with this Sultan announcing what is already known in the moslem world just to stay relevant? Just like he did with the end of Ramadan and we end up staying at home for 3days, Islamic calendars are available and they are super accurate in Saudi, he should please stop annoucing anything its archaic.

Una no dey tire? i think zuckerberg visit is more about his foundation which is highly influenced by his wife, who is the real humanitarian, plus Mack has a Nigerian close friend that is his staff, so its only natural for him to visit the biggest users in Africa and his friend's country, Gej ko Pej ni.

Cromagnon:
free speech
if you can't stand the heat
get the Bleep out the kitchen

which heat? we masters /noble men don't stay in the kitchen, enjoy your heat abeg, enuf said, its because of tight jeans you're running your mouth like kaanji dam, sorry ooo, it is well.

Cromagnon:
if you can do it better why are you ranting online

wait ooo, you quote me twice, allow me to honor you with just one reply,which is a question, do you have an Idea what the word ranting is? if you do good, its not a must you quote everyone online, if you ve got nothing to say, don't say nothing,