Contact17: It was written down but not complied during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him). Notice the difference in the wording. Anyways evidence that it was written down during the time of the prophets is in a famous hadith where Umar (who later became one of the caliph) went to his sisters' house to confront her about being a Muslim.
Umar came to the door (of the house of his sister) as Khabbab (a companion of the Prophet) was studying under her guidance the Sura Taha. When he came in, his sister saw that he meant mischief and hid the sheets from which they were reading.
They were being taught by someone who had written it down after learning it from the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him).
thank you, good explanation, over the years have been made to believe Mohammed was handed down the koran on a specific night of revelation, never knew it spans over 20years, question is, is it not possible for the 3rd caliph to have alter the manuscripts to suit his claim to be leader since there was still a debate on the legitimacy of the caliphs after the death of the prophet?
Contact17: There were records of the the companions writing it down in order to memorize it during the life of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him). It was NOT written by the third caliph. It was actually compiled during the times caliph when many Muslims who memorized the Qur'an were being killed.
i would love to see the source of companions writing it down please, its well known that it was written down after many of the companions who memorized it were killed in battle, the third caliph author the Koran.
Demmzy15: The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad(SAW) in which he dictated to his companions who wrote it down. It was standardized by the 3rd Caliph like we have today!
no records of any companion writing it down, it was recited orally and written down by the 3rd caliph, why would anyone one want to standardise a perfect book? kindly explain what standardized means please.
onetrack: But the sentence still stands that only Allah understands much (all) of the Quran. Which means that a lot of it is useless to people and would only serve to cause division. Notice that Allah does not conveniently specify exactly which verses are clear and which ones are not.
I am an existentialist, so I find my own meaning. But there is no inherent purpose to life that I have been able to determine through empirical testing.
Am not an atheist, but The koran was revealed or handed down to Mohammed? or was it written down by the third caliph?
The more this doesn't make sense, believe in Koran, it was not written by Mohammed but Revealed to him and recited by the companions, the koran was compiled and authored by the 3rd caliph, saying that i should read something and not make sense and ask questions is telling me white is black and i should just accept it because you say so, even if you are a born Muslim or you convert you must ask questions, our fore fathers asked questions about their gods why cant we? why was dis unity among the companions immediately after the death of the prophet, even before he was buried by Ali And Fathima, it only make sense questions is asked for clarification.
timisco1: I laff, is like u don't know this ijaw militants, d only ones u can kill can Neva exceed 5, i know what am saying, their god of war "egbesu" can only betray them if they contrary to its rules, i hav encountered them ones in d creek in bayelsa state.
if ur brother is an army or better still a navy officer that have encountered these guys in d creek, jus buy him a cool beer, mayb three or four, and ask him of his experience with those guys... Belief me, wen he must have finished tellin u things about them (the ijaws) u go close this thread...
experience is the best teacher, get a taste of them bfor u start making comments...
oh really? If their Gods was so powerful why were they under the bini empire?
Ita negotiations, not all can or will be met, governmentshould please allow true federal system, all the NDA will face their own leaders, state governors, other states will look beyond oil and explore whatever they have, instead of negotiations with criminals, they can't work, just gun throttling criminals claiming freedom fighters.
Same way he supported Nnamdi Kanu. FAN plenty sentiments until people gets confused.
Avengers are not Boko Haram and can not be taken in Battle field.
Dream on.
Avengers can cause havoc on the economy I agree but can be wiped out with less effort compared to BOKO Haram.
Boko Haram are ready to die and allow their family collect the money while our brothers will rather allow their family die while they collect the money.
Airforce in the air and Soldiers on ground in the creek is all needed.
those two will not work in that terrain Nigerian military is incapable of fighting in that terrain with the lind of logistics they have now, allow true federalsm and everyone will be cool, let all stat3s develop at its own pace.
cktheluckyman: Says who? Did he adduce any proof to substantiate this wild claims? You expect me to just swallow this ?
BTW I did not support Fashola and Amaechi when they were tagged corrupt.I have also been vocal about Buhari's forgery of his waec result so what exactly are you talking about?
can you see your hypocrisy with the above? You did not support fashola and ameachi because you see them as? Jibrin was a staunch ally of dogara, he spearheaded his election so What changed? If PMB had not took his time to study the budget and ask for details this legislooters would have stole our commonwealth, i dont think anyone is urging this guy on, he felt betrayed by his fellow thieves thats why he is fighting dirty, he has approached efcc and he said he have proofs why dont you wait till he gives them to the agency.
Am a Christian and i wont buy into your emotional sentiments you are whipping up, i guess You av never visited other countries, my dear, there are Governments in the world that are not corrupt, dont try to whip up sentiments, the way Nigeria is right now no zone, tribe or religious entity can take any other one for a ride, If Buhari fails we vote him out just the way we voted out Gej, right now Inec should come out and tell the public how to recall senators, national and state lawmakers, that can be dobe now rather than wait till 2019, dont waste your time on Niger delta militants, they are strictly fighting for their pockets, i pray they continue so That state and National Governments can look for other sources of income, Oil can never go back to $ 100 per barrel, with all the new technology in Us and Europe, we are doomed when it comes to oil. Leave politics aside all Christians should watch and pray, if they fill in Muslim in all positions, we vote them out 2019, no sentiment.
Eddygourdo: I don't see the rape ohh. He had a gift ? She followed to collect the gift. He offered her his preek forcefully. All I see is a case of giving and. Receiving without due consent. all these christian Hot hypocrites sef.
would you love if someone forcefully offer your daughter a preek? deceit is deceit no matter how you say it. Very good the lady reported the animal, girls should please report any case of rape, thats the only way you can deter rapists, they do it thinking the victims will not tell anyone.
16 Years to build a railway,after over 700 billion dollars in revenue, shameless lots, APC ee are watching you oo, if you fail us like PDP we will vote u out.
Can someone please just gag this old fool, he got us to this predicament, God gave Nigeria an opportunity, military, North and Se voted for this man against the wishes of his own people, he betrayed all of them, watend to be president for life, he started all the constitutional project when the NA wanted to impeach him, he is extremely corrupt, Buhari stood jis ground but He couldn't. So He should let us hear word pls.
Crap, is this damage control write up or damage control write up, dino is just fortunate, right now saraki is his God Father right before the election, Saraki was incharge of kwara and Kogi, he was the money bag, backing them.
Presbulg: First, The words of the Qu'ran are not words of anybody except that of Almighty God, so Mohammmed(SAW) didn't author the Qu'ran
So science has proved what the holy Qu'ran says about mountains.
Here, lemme school you cuz of another time before typing rubbish about what what you don't have any knowledge about
GEOLOGY
MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)[\b]
In geology, the phenomenon of 'folding', is a recently discovered fact. Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earth's crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the mountains.
[color=#009900][b]Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles. Since, the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like stakes or tent pegs that hold the earth's crust and give it stability. The [b]QUR'AN contains exactly such a description in the following verse:[/b][/color]
"Have WE not made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?" [AL- QUR'AN 78:6-7]
The word 'awtad' from the Qu'ran means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named 'Earth' is considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the Scientific Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. [color=#009900]In this book he illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.[/color] {Earth, Press and Siever, p.435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157}
According to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role [color=#009900] in stabilizing the crust of the earth[/color]. The QUR'AN clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the earth from shaking:
"And WE have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them." [AL- QUR'AN 21:31]
The Qur'anic descriptions are in perfect agreement with modern geological data.
MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED
The surface of the earth is broken into many rigid plates that are about 100 km in thickness. These plates float on a partially molten region called aesthenosphere.
Mountain formations occur at the boundary of the plates. The earth's crust is 5 km below oceans, about 35 km thick below flat continental surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great mountain ranges. These are the strong foundations on which mountains stand. The QUR'AN also speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse:
"And the mountains Hath HE firmly fixed." [AL- QUR'AN 79:32]
Presbulg: First, The words of the Qu'ran are not words of anybody except that of Almighty God, so Mohammmed(SAW) didn't author the Qu'ran
So science has proved what the holy Qu'ran says about mountains.
Here, lemme school you cuz of another time before typing rubbish about what what you don't have any knowledge about
GEOLOGY
MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)[\b]
In geology, the phenomenon of 'folding', is a recently discovered fact. Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earth's crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the mountains.
[color=#009900][b]Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles. Since, the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like stakes or tent pegs that hold the earth's crust and give it stability. The [b]QUR'AN contains exactly such a description in the following verse:[/b][/color]
"Have WE not made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs?" [AL- QUR'AN 78:6-7]
The word 'awtad' from the Qu'ran means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named 'Earth' is considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the Scientific Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. [color=#009900]In this book he illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.[/color] {Earth, Press and Siever, p.435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157}
According to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role [color=#009900] in stabilizing the crust of the earth[/color]. The QUR'AN clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the earth from shaking:
"And WE have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them." [AL- QUR'AN 21:31]
The Qur'anic descriptions are in perfect agreement with modern geological data.
MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED
The surface of the earth is broken into many rigid plates that are about 100 km in thickness. These plates float on a partially molten region called aesthenosphere.
Mountain formations occur at the boundary of the plates. The earth's crust is 5 km below oceans, about 35 km thick below flat continental surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great mountain ranges. These are the strong foundations on which mountains stand. The QUR'AN also speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse:
"And the mountains Hath HE firmly fixed." [AL- QUR'AN 79:32]
oga please don't twist science geology for us please, Your write up that the mountain Is like a wedge on the tent that hold the earth.
No 1 the earth crust is not stable its moving
No 2 there are different type and forms of mountain, yes Fold like you mentioned, am sure you av heard of volcanic mountain, glacier formed mountain, all the two are not formed by earth crust folding.
annunaki2: Arrant nonsense! Give me a source from a reputable scientific website and not some rubbish written by an al taquiya muslim trying to give the quoran credibility.
wait let me school him, thats what they are good at twisting words to suit their opinions. The guy had no idea that not all mountains are made from folds, i guess he never heard of volcanic mountain or mountains formed by glaciers.
Adagba01: The Nigerian security apparatus is no longer a toy as it used to be in the past. A self proclaimed General was arrested by DSS without a single gun shot. This shows the level of cowardice these Niger Delta elements are made of.
its unguarded talk like this post of yours that brew unnecessary enmity, who told you anyone in ND is a coward,mind you yoruba.
Stelvin101: Trust me I totally get you bro and it takes more than bleeping to get a woman to hit an orgasm. Some love, first timer, size, while some ordinary pre-intimacy does it. From what I can say about the gal in question. I think she is a first timer, couple with the fact is doing it with someone she loves or the guy tie vibrator join him John Thomas
Stelvin101: Yes I can read very well. She had continuous orgasm for straight 2hrs ni, O ti to. Take ur time
lolzz time taken, just that you might go 24hrs and she wont hit orgasm, the guy shouldnt feel too cool of himself, people have different level of libido.
Stelvin101: O ti to ooooo. Ordinary 2hours? That means if I run that one from 10am till 7pm na both her body and soul go just die. There is a saying beautiful ladies don't know how to bleep.
can you read at all? she had orgasms for two hours not just sex
Are you all not tired of this comparison? left and right, we all come from somewhere, science can even help with the bloods flowing in our veins who and where our distance relatives are.
ibnhasan: Islam preaches Peace. Every expert who has studied the terror attacks always remark that the terrorists are either deranged or know nothing about Islam in the first place. From the Boston bombings to the Paris attacks (even the one with the bus). This is not Islam and no good Muslim would do any of these things.
Some of these terrorists have psychological issues which the media ignores just to stereotype Islam and Muslims. Most of these terrorists are just eager and excited religious newbies with no knowledge of Islam and therefore cannot act in the name of Islam.
Here is a link to a video to further prove these contentions
Even if this argument is too hard for you grasp, think of how these people have slaughtered muslims. From Turkey to Bangladesh and even Medina which is the second holiest site in Islam. This is enough proof to show that the terrorists have no religion and are nothing but bloodthirsty nitwits. There were many Muslims too in the last Paris attacks.
If Islam truly preached murdering innocent people as these terrorists claim. Then with 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, There should no one left on this planet.
We all should be up against them instead of spreading hate and misinformation which will only make the terrorists' goals more achievable.
at this rate very soon no one will be left, there have never been peace in Islamic world, Mohammed had no peace till he died, immediately after his death his caliphate more like a kingdom or empire on the Arabian peninsula splits into two with sunni and shia later sufis, those three have always being at eachothers neck killing eachothers, there is nothing deranged about this killers except their level of belief, some Muslims are using them to achieve power and they are using religion to achieve this
RABIUSHILE04: Like make jest of ur 'god' ah bros jay, bla bla bla... Jesus is but a prophet of God. u don't read ur bible guy!!!!
Jesus Is not God, there is a difference between the word God and Lord, when Christians refer to Jesus as Lord they are referring to his divine royalty as the son of God. Calling Jesus bros Jay is not blasphemous when you consider yourself a child of God too and Jesus Is your lord and senior brother.
wyse24: 2:191) Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. 202 Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers. 202. Here the word fitnah is used in the sense of 'persecution'. It refers to a situation whereby either a person or a group is subjected to harassment and intimidation for having accepted, as true, a set of ideas contrary to those currently held, and for striving to effect reforms in the existing order of society by preaching what is good and condemning what is wrong. Such a situation must be changed, if need be, by the force of arms. Bloodshed is bad, but when one group of people imposes its ideology and forcibly prevents others from accepting the truth, then it becomes guilty of an even more serious crime. In such circumstances, it is perfectly legitimate to remove that oppressive group by the force of arms. ﻓَﺎِﻥِ ﺍﻧۡـﺘَﻬَﻮۡﺍ ﻓَﺎِﻥَّ ﺍﻟﻠّٰﻪَ ﻏَﻔُﻮۡﺭٌ ﺭَّﺣِﻴۡﻢٌ (2:192) Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate. 203 203. God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behaviour of the believers as well. As the saying goes: 'Mould your morals according to the attributes of God.' Hence, Whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the cause of God's religion. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group resists the cause of God. As soon as it gives up this resistance hostility should cease. ﻭَﻗٰﺘِﻠُﻮۡﻫُﻢۡ ﺣَﺘّٰﻰ ﻟَﺎ ﺗَﻜُﻮۡﻥَ ﻓِﺘۡﻨَﺔٌ ﻭَّﻳَﻜُﻮۡﻥَ ﺍﻟﺪِّﻳۡﻦُ ﻟِﻠّٰﻪِؕ ﻓَﺎِﻥِ ﺍﻧﺘَﻬَﻮۡﺍ ﻓَﻠَﺎ ﻋُﺪۡﻭَﺍﻥَ ﺍِﻟَّﺎ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ﺍﻟﻈّٰﻠِﻤِﻴۡﻦَ (2:193) Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. 204 But if they desist, then know that hostility is directed only against the wrong-doers. 205 204. Here the term fitnah is used in a different sense from the one in which it was used above see( verse 191 ). It is evident from the context that fitnah refers here to the state of affairs wherein the object of obedience is someone other than God. Hence the purpose of a believer's fighting is that this fitnah should cease and obedience should be consecrated to God alone. An investigation of the usages of the word din (which occurs in this verse) reveals that the core of its meaning is obedience. In its technical usage, the word refers to that system of life which arises as a result of a person recognizing someone as his Lord and Sovereign and committing himself to following his commands and ordinances. This explanation of the word din makes it quite clear that when some human beings establish their godhead and absolute dominance over others, this state of affairs is one of fitnah. Islam seeks to put an end to this and replace it by a state of affairs in which people live in obedience to the laws of God alone. 205. What is meant here by 'desisting' is not the abandonment of unbelief and polytheism on the part of the unbelievers but rather their desistance from active hostility to the religion enjoined by God. The unbeliever, the polytheist, the atheist, has each been, empowered to hold on to his beliefs and to worship who and whatever he wishes. In order to deliver these people from their error, Muslims are required to counsel them and tell them where their good lies. But Muslims ought not to try to achieve this purpose by resorting to force. At the same time, these misguided people have no right to either enforce the false laws of their own contriving instead of the laws of God or to drive the people of God to bondage of others than God. In order to put an end to this fitnah, both persuasion and force be used, whenever and to the extent to which each of the two is needed, and a true believer will not rest until the unbelievers give up this fitnah. The statement that hostility is meant only against wrong-doers seems to imply that when the true system of life replaces the false one, ordinary people should be granted a general amnesty. At the same time, however, it would be justifiable to punish those who exceeded all limits in their hostility to the Truth, at the time when they held the reins of power. Yet in dealing with such people, it becomes the true believers, after they have one final victory, to adopt a general attitude of forgiveness and tolerance towards the vanquished rather than subject them to revenge for the wrongs they committed in the past. Those criminals whose records were exceptionally bad could, however, be punished. The Prophet (peace be on him), availed himself of this permission in respect of some notorious enemies whose hostility had exceeded all limits, even though pardon and forgiveness behoved none more than him. Thus 'Uqbah ibn Abi Mu'avt and Nadr b. Harith from among the captives of the Battle of Badr were put to death and when a general amnesty, was proclaimed after the conquest of Makka four out of seventeen persons were executed. (See Ibn Hisham, vol. 1, p. 644 and vol. 2, pp. 409 ff. - Ed.) These acts were based on the permission to put to the sword those who have been conspicuously ruthless in their hostility to Islam and the Muslims.
LabiaDestroyer
i will take it from the last, the same method is what Isis and boko haram use to raise armies kill the 4 out of 17 to get them inline, its very simple the Old rulers use that method effectively,
At what point will a Muslim regard the law of a land as against his?
What constitutes imposing ideology and forcibly avoiding others from accepting the truth?
if a Muslim goes into a country or a city and their is a law against public preaching does that count? should the Muslim wage war against the authorities of the land?
Yes It normal for a human to fight back when Attacked, if a Muslim or a Christian is attacked he or she will fight back.
RABIUSHILE04: Ur analysis dey misplaced, and it shows how shallow ur mind/thinking is?! How can u use a Quran to. Eat popcorn, or draw an image of Muhammad when u know the people practicing the religion won't like it? u dey intentionally look for trouble be dat now!! Also Islam defends its religion, and naso christians no dey defend dem religion...na Christian like u dey attend the "Nights Of A Thousand Laughs" where various comedians like Akpors, Basket mouth, Gordons etc, perfoms. And for those familiar with their jokes and comedies, the Church and the pastors and even Jesus Peace be on him...are usually the play toy and target (of course they know the backlash if they should involve Islaam). They joke to blackmail Jesus, while the audience laugh uncontrollably.All this in the name of, "You can't fight for God".?!? May God guide u aright guy!
Take a chill pill and think for a second, should my head be cut of if i find a piece of Quran written in catonese and i had no knowledge of it and use it to wipe my ass? we all pray God/Allah should guide us.
All the people you mentioned the comediens are created by God/Allah its not in my place if i cannot create a life to destroy it, i rather preach, persuade them, pray for them to change their ways, give them opportunity to repent, rather than cut their heads off or kill them, it is not in our place to defend our religion with killings, monarchs of old claim divine rule and leadership to fight Crusades and Jihads, from Kings, Emperors, Pope, Sheikhs, Sultans, Caliphs, Amir, Emir all they did was to use God's Allah's name to expand their territories, their wealths, raises emotions in the people and turn them into army to defend their religion, what do you think Isis and boko haram think they are doing? attacks? no my friend they are defending their religion, just the same way you will go amok if someone comes up with a picture of Mohammed.
Well you try but Life is not black and white, even players do fall in love, do all you wrote to obe they really desire, and careless about the others they play.
Iamsynord: am a christian and this your statement is an ignorant one.,.. I dont want to use harsher terms....
You have no right or authority to insult other peoples beliefs or religion...
Islam is peace... Can testify to it
how can Islam be peace when the people practising it are not peaceful, let someone draw a picture of Mohammed and see how peaceful the moderate muslims will be, use anypart of the koran to wrap corn and see how peaceful moderate muslim will be, infact do mistake let a Muslim girl fall in love with you and see how much she will tell you to convert to Islam so that she can complete her deen here in earth and in heaven, and if she marry you, a kafir she will disown might even be killed, but the men can marry anyone of any religion, how Peaceful is that?
Christianity Etc › Re: Points To Ponder Upon-Non-Muslims Especially Atheists And Christians! by masseratti: 3:08pm On Aug 01, 2016
