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Right the wrongs in me Kunbee, make my heart glad!

Kunbee knows the answer to that question

Terrific babe

Everyone does not love Kunbee as much as Mavenbox does

D'prettiest

Superlover

Building up my heart with love for Kunbee

Huh?

And why were you highlighting LOIN: side of the backbone between the hipbone and the ribs in humans as well as quadrupeds

Is that what we can all see in the picture above? Try again, OLABOWALE.

Darlington!

@No2Atheism: Thanks bro. Im sure it was nairaland because I always change my IP address anytime I'm on Nairaland. Nobody else on the web could have stumbled upon such a dedicated IP address. Thanks again. Advice well taken.

@Olabowale: But I already mentioned to you that in the parable of the sower, refer to my earlier responsive post, Christ refers to it as a HUNDREDFOLD. Is there not a difference between a hundred and a hundredfold? Hundredfold means COMPLETELY SATIATED, FULLY APPROPRIATED. It means 100%. It was used to refer to a HARVEST that was complete. as opposed to Mohammed's scientific claim of 100 seeds.

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When I refer to you as a fool, I am only repeating what my Bible says. I am being a witness to the truth, but if it hurts you, then you need to change your aspect because the truth does not care, it always hurts. If someone in my age-group calls an unbeliever in an elderly age bracket a fool, I wont argue with him if it is the truth. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God", and that is what you say about Christ, YHWH, the Ruach, my God.

(KJV)
Psa 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

(MSG)
Psa 53:1 Bilious and bloated, they gas, "God is gone." It's poison gas-- they foul themselves, they poison Rivers and skies; thistles are their cash crop. How come this sounds like what Islamic fundamental terrorists do?

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Your argument is that Jesus Christ is not God?

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Wrong. Jesus Christ is the EXPRESS image of the Godhead. He is the fulness of the Godhead, bodily. The complete GOD described on earth.

Has God ever walked the street, you ask. God does not need to walk the streets. He is everywhere already.
1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

The major problem with this lame argument is that you are a natural man and I am a spiritual man, where it matters.

How do I know all this?

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

How do you NOT know all this?

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

and so you do not understand what God meant when he said no one can SEE HIS FACE AND LIVE. Now tell me, let me dumb it down for you, when Christ was on earth, did anyone see the Father's face? No. What they saw instead was the face of the Christ, the Son, expressed in a form that their natural senses could understand.

The problem with the natural man is that EVERYTHING must be described by the 5 senses. Its pathetic! We are far above all of that!! The 5 senses are controlled in the spiritual realms, so they can be influenced by demonic activity. They can be placed under subjection by the Word of God. Yet you bring up such a trivial matter as SEEing God on the streets, to disprove his existence or to prove to yourself that Jesus Christ is not Lord? Come on! He who created the senses can also subject your own senses so that you see, hear, taste, feel or smell whatever he wants you to. If Christ wanted to appear in front of you as I type this, He would. If God wanted to appear in the streets in a way that the people could see Him, He would. But that is a trivial matter.

Now do you see why the argument is lame? I guess maybe because your Mum was old, she bought it. Don't use that line next time, or you will just be shamed by a wise one.

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I am not buying your lie about the boo bit. Thats just a plain lie and its disgusting. You already said I was a girl, so don't use that "I said boo and i didnt even know you were a girl" line. Just let it stay, cos you already said last night that "if two of you ladies, " referring to me and luvola. Another unnecessary digression.

You keep referring to three Gods. Who said I believe in three Gods?

There is ONE God. This is the last time I will explain it unless someone else brings it up, because you seem to be hard of hearing. His ROLES with respect to humanity make us identify him in THREE personalities. For more details, please read my previous posts.

So if your Mum used to read the Bible, it makes her a Christian? So in your own definition, everyone who reads a Bible is a Christian? I can write a computer program, a software, that not only recites Bible verses, it can also outline cross-references. Does that make it a Christian? This is utter nonsense.
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The problem with you Muslims is that you are quick to mention "Christians that became Muslim". How does that affect the price of garri in the market? I told you that those people wre never Christians.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that[b] they were not all of us[/b].

How can someone taste the LIFE OF GOD and go back to worshipping a demon? She never tasted the life, that's why. Maybe she wasted all her years.

From the very beginning, God created Man to be "god on earth" as He was God in Heaven. That was the plan. But unlike the sun, moon and all creation, Man was given free-will. He could do anything he chose. Because that is How God is too. He has his choice in His own hands. So man had his choices in his own hands, but he chose to hand over to the devil. The devil jumped at the opportunity and took over. Of course, God is never taken by surprise. So he knew it would come to that, and Jesus had already been prepared since the foundation of the world for that opportunity.

All in all, now that we are restored in God, we communicate directly with God. We understand all things because the Spirit of God understands all things, and we can always communicate with him. Did you know that when a person becomes truly born again, their IQ increases? That is just an example. You can carry out a test if you want, but its a fact I proved using various subjects when I was in the University.

How can one leave this ALL-SO-GLORIOUS LIFE AND GO BACK TO A LIFE THAT IS CONFUSED AND IN UTTER DARKNESS, THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND, THEY BOTH FALLING INTO THE DITCH?

How can someone decide to leave the life of a human being and BECOME a goat, eating from refuse dumps? Is that not insanity? No, nobody who was really a human being will just decide to do that of their own accord.

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As for me Marrying a Muslim,

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Num 23:20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
Num 23:21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.
Num 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Num 23:23 Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought!

The curse has been lifted. I cannot be accursed, no matter if your first name is Hell and your surname is Lucifer. I cannot be a Muslim, because to be a Muslim is to be accursed, and under the influence of demons, and on a final destination to destruction and eternal damnation.

I said women are known to be fickle with emotions. As for me, my emotions are subject to my spirit man. Oops, sorry, i forgot that you dont know what that is, since you do not have one. Get saved, then come back and lets have this discussion about how the spirit controls the emotions, and makes the soul strong, unlike those that allow themselves to get carried away by lying vanities and old wives' tales.
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The person used the IP address of this organization, maybe he/she hacked into the organization's computer and initiated an attack from there, or spoofed the organization's IP. Either way, I am very suspect of the following (thanks to reverse IP lookup)

[size=18pt]California, US. Anyone here?[/size]

OrgName:    Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
OrgID:      IANA
Address:    4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
City:       Marina del Rey
StateProv:  CA
PostalCode: 90292-6695
Country:    US

NetRange:   172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
CIDR:       172.16.0.0/12
[size=14pt]NetName:    IANA-BBLK-RESERVED[/size]
NetHandle:  NET-172-16-0-0-1
Parent:     NET-172-0-0-0-0
[size=18pt]NetType:    IANA Special Use[/size]
[size=16pt]NameServer: BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG
NameServer: BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG
Comment:    This block is reserved for special purposes.[/size]

Come on! Whoever is doing this can do better. Even I can do better. Someone just tried to hack into my computer from this IP address: 172.24.240.91 but you know the funny thing? I use an IP switcher software (TMac), so the only place where I ever post information on the internet using my current IP address is when I am on Nairaland as mavenbox. I always change my IP address to something else when I am done.

So whoever the HE-GOAT or FISH-BRAIN is, that is trying to hack my PC, tunneling through 172.24.240.91, should try harder. I have added an exclusive blacklist to that IP address so you may need another computer. He/She will meet an able match in me.

So why am I posting this here? As far as I know, the only section where I have seeming enemies on nairaland, is this one. And the only place I have ever used THIS IP ADDRESS, is on Nairaland. Whoever is attacking me got the IP address from Nairaland. When will human beings ever use their heads?

Gizzi

@Olabowale: LOL Dishonesty? I said you have not answered me with sense. You gave answers, but maybe you need a non-Christian, non-Islamic person to analyze our arguments to see that all you supplied there is poisonous exhaust, there's nothing tangible in your arguments yet.

As for slaps, I had a friend, who, when he was back in borading school, secondary school in Nigeria, was slapped for asking too many questions from the Imam. The Imam didn't slap him, an ardent follower slapped him, but he was not reprimanded. Thank God he is a believer now and he has the life of God coursing through him. Agreed, you may be older than the kind to be slapped, but slaps are, maybe, too direct on the personae. What about such things as victimization in other forms? But i see that this is another attempt at wasting time. The slap talk was a side-comment.

And you think I do not have a life to attend to, or I am a typist? That's why I said, organize your thoughts, type them out and paste it at once. If you are too busy, dictate it to a typist. After all, allah will be pleased and may even add an extra virgin to your growing collection of women who have no other destiny in lust-heaven than to satisfy men's sexual urges.

@No2Atheism: Dont mind him, I have responded to him initially. This is a quick summary:

Let Olabowale explain to us how come he is the father of his children, the husband of his wife, the worker at his workplace, and also the person responding to this thread on Nairaland. So why is it so hard to let it sink in that God the Father, came to Earth to do some work in the form of Jesus Christ (a name that was given for his purposes on earth, in heaven, according to Revelations, the Son is known as the Word), and then when the Word was done, the Holy Spirit arrived and stayed behind to consolidate the work?

Or maybe he can explain how he gets home, and receives a phone call from work, and his children don't ask him "I thought you are our daddy, what does that have to do with your office?", etc etc.

Muslims must always query questions with questions, but things are not done that way. Questions are meant to be answered, like I have been doing.

@Olabowale:

The verses you claim are contradictory are not, in fact. Those are the two sides to the coin: there are times (like now) when you should answer a fool in his folly (like i am answering your folly), and there are times to ignore them (like no2Atheism often does, or like I do to Abuzola). Wisdom is dicerning the two because there are many gradations of fools. Soon I may relegate you to Abuzola's category. You should be happy there.

"tell me if God is a land dweller, street walker or God should have a son"? that is one of the dumbest apologetic questions I have ever heard. Sigh. I hope your mother came back home like the Prodigal Son. As for your wife? I DARE YOU to show her this verse, I think she may not have a Bible.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

My conclusion: Your learned wife was never a Christian, even though maybe she used to go to church. Or the delusions of romance have made her blind to reason. Women are known to be fickle many times when it comes to emotions, and I know that.

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By the way, Olabowale, here is the image about the path of the sperm. Compare it to your fallacy.

Qur’an 86:6-7 says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and ribs.

LOIN: side of the backbone between the hipbone and the ribs in humans as well as quadrupeds

A basic lesson in anatomy, allah failed this course in the demon's college. He got an F because there was no G or H grade.

I got this from http://www.coolschool.ca/lor/BI12/unit15/U15L02.htm because it was the only reference I found that had an image.

@No2Atheism: You are right, sir. Very right. I think why I am trying to reason out these things is to clear the doubts of Muslims who have been wondering about all of this, and are not sure. This is not so much directed at the staunch Muslims, but for the inquiring and discerning ones to know the truth.

True, there are two sides to the coin.



(KJV)
Psa 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

(MSG)
Psa 53:1 Bilious and bloated, they gas, "God is gone." It's poison gas-- they foul themselves, they poison Rivers and skies; thistles are their cash crop.

Pro 26:4 Don't respond to the stupidity of a fool; you'll only look foolish yourself.
Pro 26:5 Answer a fool in simple terms so he doesn't get a swelled head.

The only reason I am responding to Abuzola, Olabowale and others is that i can't allow them to misrepresent the information I am presenting, you know? Just in case someone else visits the thread afterwards. If i was in a physical location with them, I would have abandoned them to their folly. But on the web, this thread will always be there. They can't tell lies on my thread without seeing refutations, but they are taking good hours of my daily time without making any sense.

Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Recommendation:

Pro 26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

That he may increase in understanding.

@Abuzola: Go to school, then come back and read what I wrote so that understanding can come to you.

@Shawn007: Go and play with sand. Or better, go to the Kalahari deserts alone, strap yourself with a set of hi-fidelity bombs, and blast into infinity. Lust and gluttony await you in your burning hell.

@Olabowale: And now you escape, having answered none of my questions with some sense. Dont worry, get some rest, recoup, ask your Imam (hope he doesn't slap you), or if you are the Imam, pray to your demon (I doubt that he can answer since he regrets making so many mistakes), and then return here to speak your mind.

@Olabowale:
I just found out that I skipped a post of yours. The fact that you are posting in bits is making it hard to track. Why not organize your thoughts like me and then we can reason it out properly, rather than taking it piece-meal?

I will answer the most recent post first.

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Okay so you say the voice of the Koran did not believe the sky was opaque. Let me ask YOU. Is the sky transparent? And when you say the sky is anything ABOVE the earth, I must confess that your statement is fallacious, because there is no such thing as ABOVE the Earth, knowing that the Earth is geoid and in constant motion. Rather, what we have is AROUND the EARTH's atmosphere, or ionosphere, or whatever. And then you twist it and say its not the sky, that the Koran was referring to Heaven, and you roped in the Bible to give your words credence:

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
Luk 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

THE HEAVEN WAS OPENED. Where did you see GATES? YOU ARE SO FULL OF LIES. IT MUST BE SOLID FOR IT TO HAVE A GATE, YOU SAY. I DARE YOU TO SHOW ME A VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT MENTIONS THE GATE OF HEAVEN. GO AHEAD. And where did you get the impression that it means heaven is a physical place outside the ionosphere? I have not been to heaven before, as far as I can tell, but I know if it was a place on the radial periphery of our atmosphere, as the SKY implies, then it would be possible for man to physically get there, or at least send a programmed astronomical engine-powered device to investigate the place. But that is not so. Heaven may, probably, not be a physical place, like you imagine. It is a spiritual place because that is where God and other SPIRITS LIVE. And please, what does frozen hail have to do with the skies? Is it a part of your sky that is falling? We're not fools here, you know? Please refer to Geography for further details.

I appear to have started sounding caustic, im just irritated because you are not coming up with valid responses.

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You are simply of your father, the Devil, and the father of lies. You call me a liar?

[size=18pt]Surah 21: The Prophets[/size]
28. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).
29. If any of them should say, "I am a god besides Him", such a one We should reward with Hell: thus do We reward those who do wrong.
30. Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
31. And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.
32. And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)!

Dont tell me Abuzola has infected you with idiocy?

Did Mohammed need to travel to know things about foreign cultures? He did not! There were many people who travellef far and wide, and by hearsay, it was easy for him to add bits and pieces from various cultures.
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To start with, I am not a University student (do I sound like one?), I have been done with higher learning a long time ago, and I will prefer if you stop making such assumptions in the future.

"It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33)

So, from the verse above, is it not obvious that the illiterate speaking assumed that ALL of the celestial bodies were swimming together in rounded course? Meaning that they were ALL in motion? It is understood that the level of astrological knowledge in those ages was very low, but an eternal allah should have paid more attention in Geography class for the demons.

@Abuzola: You seem to enjoy conversing with me. Come, let me teach you so you can gain wisdom. Which of the Scientific theories do we shun or reject again? You will mention evolution, I guess. However, I will like to let you know that evolution is a matter of faith, too, because there is not yet tanbgible evidence to support it. It is so much of speculation at the present, that even so-called Scientific Atheists, non-Jews and non-Christians are, in a manner of speaking, also displaying FAITH by believing something that has inconclusive evidence. have you ever wondered why evolution is still a THEORY? It is NOT an axiom, it is not a maxim. It is a theory. A supposition of the truth. So Christians have faith about how the Bible says creation occurred, Scientists have faith about how evolution took place. Where do you fall? You don't seem to be sure. You are just following blindly and arguing your way in the darkness.

Now let me correct you, show me the things in the Bible that EXISTING scientific evidence says otherwise, like these things that we are debating on this thread. Or keep out of our faces, we are having an intelligent conversation here.

@Olabowale:
PRAY, TELL ME, WHAT IS THE SHAPE OF A CARPET, GENERALLY SPEAKING? And if you claim it has no shape, why didn't Mohammed in the Koran use WATER. AFTER ALL, WATER HAS NO SHAPE EITHER? and it also follows the pattern of where it sits? You have started with your spurious conjectures again. Its starting to get irritating and you know it. WHAT ELSE IS A CARPET IF NOT FLAT?

Carpet: (n) [kaa(r)pit]: Floor covering consisting of a piece of thick heavy fabric (usually with nap or pile)

Please what is the shape of a floor? Try again, Olabowale.

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What are you talking about? Balloons and strings if you were going to defend the point, you should at least have mentioned something more rational, instead of a zany idea like that. Strings are used to tie a balloon down from escaping, so a fundamental course in physics will tell you that the tension is toward the stabilizer, ensuring that the balloon is kept in check. But rather, in this spurious fallacy, its the mountains that are sitting on the earth. The tension is mountain-ward, and if this is so, why does the mountain not fall down and away into outer space for places in the southern hemisphere? After all, the mountains are not TIED to anything, unlike the strings that are tied to a STABILIZER, just like you said.

So we have these self-supporting anti-gravity mountains pinning a geoid earth into position? No, i think the illiterate who was talking there rather meant a heavy mountain sitting on an earth to keep it from blowing away. Try again.

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Your claims about the removed mountains are too funny to be considered. WHO DOES NOT KNOW THAT WHEN A MOUNTAIN IS REMOVED, THERE WILL BE LEVEL GROUND WHERE IT WAS REMOVED? No! What the Koran meant was that you will see everywhere FLAT because the mountains (which account for horizons) have been removed. Your response is an insult to the intelligence of those that are reading this thread. Sorry people, Olabowale has wasted our time again.

@Olabowale: I proceed.

THE PATH OF FLOW OF THE SPERM
Okay I got tired of waiting for a medical doctor to show face, so let me tell you what I found (I had to search on google).

THE CHILDBIRTH FALLACY
Lies! The child will resemble either or both parents depending on the inheritance of genes from both the sperm and the egg.
The egg is going to be the same regardless of who orgasms first because they are released at regular intervals so the mother's half of the genetic input depends only on when the conception takes place. As for the sperm, I've never heard of and neither can I conceive of how orgasm would in any way affect which sperm reaches the egg first. Any selective factors for sperm are fairly consistent and have nothing to do with who orgasms first.
That is pure nonsense, and I am not carried away yet. Try again.

DUSTY WOMB?
The same Koran that says Jesus was formed from dust in Mary's womb. Scientifically, tell me how dust, a known medium for tuberculosis and diarrhea, did not spread those diseases to the mother and child. That book is full of stupid lies, even my 4 year old neighbour, notorious for lies, can do better than all this. [size=13pt]I am surprised the Koran did not say cobwebs also grew in Mary's womb because she was a virgin.[/size] Jesus was formed from an egg in Mary's womb, the NORMAL way children are formed. The only supernatural thing was that the egg was fertilized "automatically" and that is the only supernatural thing. Everything else was a NORMAL CONCEPTION. And the reason is plain, the seed (sperm) of Adam was corrupted and cursed at the fall. The sperm is what contains the life that kickstarts new life in reproduction. So for Jesus to be pure and free from the blame of Adam, Jesus' egg had to be fertilized by a supernatural sperm, the WORD OF GOD. And that was what happened. Next!

@Abuzola: I wonder why I am responding to you right now. I think I need to make it clear to you that it was because of the prostitute that you visited two days ago (you can say that you didn't), that's why Jesus was forsaken on the cross. God hates sin IN ONE LIFE, now imagine when ONE MAN now carries ALL THE SIN THAT HAS EVER BEEN COMMITTED, IS BEING COMMITTED, AND WILL FOREVER BE COMMITTED, on himself AT ONE TIME. God loved his son so much, and yet he had to look away for Jesus' own good, and for our good. For the first time in His life, the son was spiritually separated from the father, and he felt the pain. It was better for God to look away, else one of two things would have happened. He would either have to take Christ off the cross and remove all the sin from him (which was not the plan), or else he would have to ignore him because God cannot stand sin. THAT WAS THE PLAN. GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD!

[size=15pt]I know that Abuzola may not get it, so I will explain with an example: imagine your son (if you have any) is going to a school where measles, and polio and whooping cough are rampant and they may spread, and you need to take him for immunization. Then the child sees the doctor coming with a needle and he starts crying that you hate him, asking why you are allowing the doctor to wound him. And then you need to look away in tears because you know that it is for his own good. Then his Muslim friend standing beside the bed starts saying that you are evil, that you are wicked. But in the end, the child is immunized. As for the friend (im talking to you), he will perish in diseases if he does not get immunized (get Christ). A word is enough for the wise.[/size]

@Abuzola: As far as I am concerned, you don't even exist on this thread. Discussing things with you may have a negative effect on my IQ.

@Luvola: Thanks bro. I will mail you in a bit. Let me respond to Olabowale first of all.

@Olabowale: Finally, I am seeing responses. Im glad. Before I proceed, you refer to my theology notes as having been plagiarized from anti-Islamic websites. Now tell me, even if the questions were taken from such places, am I not responding to them in my own way? Am I not thoroughly reasoning out with your posts? I will indeed continue to do so in the following.

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It doesn't take a genius to see that what you wrote about the 100 grains of corn is not admissible in ANY intellectual society. Not even primary school pupils can be fooled by such an explanation, you may need to try again. And to cap it all, you finish your argument by admitting that 7 times or 70 times means tremendous and uncountable? What has 7 or 70 got to do with 100? When the bible speaks of harvest in the Gospels in the parable of the Sower, what is said (accurately) is 100-FOLD. HUNDRED-FOLD does not mean 100. It means complete and satiated. It means it is FILLED TO THE FULLEST. Please revise your argument or accept defeat (I know that may be hard, accepting defeat from a woman. Its called chauvinism).

For the record, I am neither Aburo nor young sister, and I will love if you refrain from using such familiar and/or endearing words while we have these fundamental discussions.

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As for your mention of the creation of the earth and the angel of death, you must think I don't know anything, because CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE IT, JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE IT. THE EARTH DID NOT SPEAK ONCE IN THE BIBLE OR ANY JEWISH HOLY BOOK. What you refer to are Islamic Myths about the BROKEN EARTH, saying the various soil types produced yielded the VARYING COLORS AND NATURES OF MAN. With my own personal revelation of God's Word, I understand that when God scattered them at Babel, they went far and wide all over the earth and those who went to hotter regions progressively got a deeper tan than those who dwelt more in caves in temperate regions and those who (possibly) lived underground. That is how to comprehend faith and archaeology at the same time. Not by talking stupid myths about the earth resisting an angel, who had the INSTRUCTION OF GOD.

GOD DOES NOT SAY SOMETHING, AND THEN HIS OWN CREATION WILL HINDER IT. IT NEVER HAPPENS. HOW CAN GOD TALK AND SEND HIS ANGEL AND HIS CREATION, THE EARTH, WILL STOP IT AND BEG? THAT'S UTTER NONSENSE. THE ONLY CREATION THAT DEMANDS, AND RECEIVES, GOD'S AUDIENCE AND HAS THE ABILITY TO PLEA FOR MERCY, IS MAN. BECAUSE MAN WAS MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE. For example, Man can talk to his child because the child was made in his image. A man wants to laughter a goat for a Muslim festival and the goat starts pleading. Will he hear? No! Why? Because it was not made in his image!

The only time Jesus, as 100% man and 100% God, wanted to eat from a fig tree and it didn't produce fruit because it (really) was not its season, it dried up in less than a day. It didn't cost the fig tree anything to have produced fruit just for its creator, Jesus' sake (it would have been a miracle), but it chose to be resistant, and it died. If the Earth truly refused God's command through his angel, it would have ceased to exist. Then we wouldn't be here at all, you wouldn't be able to be on Nairaland spreading lies. He wouldn't have had to send an "Angel of Death" to enforce HIS OWN WORD. Has God ever said anything and something, let alone an inanimate thing, stop Him? if so, your god is not God because the thought is numskull-ish.

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And now you mention that a burning bush spoke. That is the result of half-baked knowledge due to hearsay. This is the extract from the KJV Bible
Exo 3:1  Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
Exo 3:2  And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3  And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Exo 3:4  And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo 3:5  And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
Exo 3:6  Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

GOD CALLED OUT UNTO HIM, VIA THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, HOWBEIT THAT MOSES WAS BESIDE A BURNING BUSH. DOES THAT MEAN THE BURNING BUSH SPOKE? PLEASE HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE BURNING BUSH SPOKE IN THE ABOVE VERSE! THE BURNING BUSH WAS TO CATCH HIS ATTENTION, TO SEE IF HE WAS A KIND OF PERSON WHO COULD INVESTIGATE THE SPIRITUAL (he wanted to check WHY the bush was not consumed), which was a prerequisite for the mission he had ahead, where he would deal with many Spiritual things. IT WAS A TEST OF HIS FORTITUDE AND ZEAL WITH THE SPIRITUAL. Dont tell me the burning bush spoke to him, because that is rather an insult. As for Mohammed, whether inanimate objects danced with him or they had a party together or not, these story are very specious, and appears to be another attempt at making him sound like a prophet. Isn't it amazing that those things did not happen in public view where everyone would have seen them happen? Jesus' spectacular scenes were always witnessed by many, and there are even many things he did that were not recorded for the sake of space.

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Mar 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And now I will show you that Jesus was not speaking with water in his mouth, he was not speaking figuratively. He was expressing the incontrovertible truth.

(The Message version, so you can understand better)
Joh 10:29  The Father who put them under my care is so much greater than the Destroyer and Thief. No one could ever get them away from him.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one heart and mind."
Joh 10:31  Again the Jews picked up rocks to throw at him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus said, "I have made a present to you from the Father of a great many good actions. For which of these acts do you stone me?"
Joh 10:33  The Jews said, "We're not stoning you for anything good you did, but for what you said--[size=13pt]this blasphemy of calling yourself God[/size]."
Joh 10:34 Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you--you are gods.'
Joh 10:35  If God called your ancestors 'gods'--and Scripture doesn't lie--
Joh 10:36  why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
Joh 10:37  If I don't do the things my Father does, well and good; don't believe me.
Joh 10:38  But if I am doing them, put aside for a moment what you hear me say about myself and just take the evidence of the actions that are right before your eyes. Then perhaps things will come together for you, and you'll see that not only are we doing the same thing, [size=13pt]we are the same--Father and Son[/size]. He is in me; I am in him."
Joh 10:39  They tried yet again to arrest him, but he slipped through their fingers.

And for the sake of reference, lest you squeal foul, I will paste the KJV translation underneath

[KJV]
Joh 10:29  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37  If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38  But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Joh 10:39  Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

In other words, if gods like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David and Daniel can without any argument be likened to gods (who could indwell a man if they so chose) like Sango, Orunmila, Amadioha, Buddha and the allah that Muslims worship, why should the people be shocked that God was now with them also in man's flesh? Jesus presented them with a simple explanation: If He was doing everything that the God they knew was doing, by prophecy, then that means his SPIRITUAL SIGNATURE is the same. If the people were SPIRITUALLY ILLITERATE   AND COULD NOT SEE THE SIGNATURE, at least they could see the THUMBPRINT (the works that he was doing).

Sorry, Moses was not ONLY a prophet. He was a god unto Pharaoh because he broke his back and the tyrant Pharaoh wept like a baby.
Exo 7:1  And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
The same way God allowed allah, a spirit, to exist until the final destruction. Then allah, possessing Mohammed, by various lies has become a god unto you and you follow him blindly. It's time to turn around.

Only GOD has the power to grant gods power, if he so pleases. The same way he granted Moses power and sent him is the way Jesus sent his disciples with power and illiterate as they were, they became gods unto the earth and turned the world upside down and many sought to worship them, calling them the names of their own local greek gods, but they declined such worship.

Please get your facts straight. Jesus IS God. The same way you are a father to your children (assuming you have any) and a husband to your wife (assuming she exists) and also a worker at a certain company (assuming you have a job) IS THE SAME WAY THAT JESUS, THE RUACH (the Holy Spirit) AND THE FATHER ARE GOD. ALL AT ONCE. Saying you dont understand how God was in Heaven and Christ came down to earth is like saying that How come Olabowale goes to work, I thought he had a child? But wait o! He cant have a child, because he is a husband! That's rather dumb, I must say. The word "Trinity" may not exist in the Bible, but it doesnt negate the truth it holds. TRINITY IS JUST A WORD. ANY OTHER WORD COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO CONVEY THE TRUTH.
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Your point about cleaning with sand is very insulting to science, and a general hygiene quotient. MOHAMMED SAID IT WAS FOR CLEANING. And now you refer to children who don't know better, playing in the sand; or baseball, being played in the dust (to cushion them and prevent them from being harmed on the field); and you finish with unfortunate souls in the Haitian slums eating mud pie because they cannot afford anything better and the economy has made them so wretched that they have to stay alive by all means, eating anything at all costs just to stay alive.

What does all of this have to do with cleaning your body?

And when you use your spit or saliva to clean up, I guess you will wipe the filthy hands on your undergarments, or use it to stain the door on your way out, and spread diseases to everyone that you shake hands with afterwards. You would have effectively increased the contaminated surface area from just the surface area of your urinary organ, and onto your hands, and the saliva you add into the mix will ensure that the maximum surface area is utilized, since more fluid is added in the combination. That is mere folly.

Why not use sand to clean up when you finish in the toilet?  

Please, pray, tell me, how does any of this have to do with using SAND TO CLEAN your body? Once again, you're trying to confuse us, but I must warn you, I believe I am quite intelligent so you can't sway or confuse me with lengthy talk. TELL ME, HOW IS SAND HEALTHY ENOUGH TO CLEAN THE BODY? IT IS A KNOWN MEDIUM OF TRANSMITTING TUBERCULOSIS AND OTHER SUCH DIESASES.

*Please do not refer to me ever again as boo. Thanks.*

Some men beat their wives. I have heard of Christians, Humanists, Atheists, Buddhists, Ifa Worshippers, Amadioha fans, and Muslims that beat their wives. Beating your wife has nothing to do with your belief in a Deity or otherwise. It has to do with insecurity, and chauvinism, and a low self esteem, and, well, insanity. But I do not know of any other religion or way of life where THEIR GOD INSTRUCTS THEM TO BEAT THE WOMAN AND FORCE HER TO COME UNDER SUBMISSION, RATHER THAN LETTING LOVE TAKE CONTROL NO MATTER WHAT, except in the false teachings of Islam. Correct me if I am wrong, people.

And in summary, please people, see what I and Olabowale have discussed on this thread and tell us who is hallucinating.



Arguing with you guys is a serious waste of time, but I know there are others reading this thread, so I will allow them see the folly of your false claims.

@chikito: Wow. That was very interesting to read. Hmmm you must be a doctor or something! But really, how do you know the OP didn't go through either of those processes? After all, he-she said he-she is still a virgin, so all the things you said about the orgasmic or sensual abilities may have truly been hindered!
Or is that why he-she is a virgin? Hmmm or is that why he-she had more fun as a female?

Anaconda Tamer

*throwing a tantrum: my PC was acting up. It had downloaded updates and it restarted. Actually it warned me earlier, i postponed it to 15 mins later and i was too engrossedwith you I didnt notice. And now my yahoo messenger is acting up too!*

LOL @ Duh!

Andromeda

Angelina Jolie

(we ALL know what that means, don't we? *wink*)

*Oops I got the mail but i didnt opne it cos the "from" name was not what I expected replying u right away*

*risky? Yeah, but i had conversed with them, and I sort of understood them to be very level-headed. They couldn't have considered a loony guy that suddenly claimed to be in love with them. And I planned to run the experiment for only 2 days. Not to worry, I probably wont do something like that again (when Im done with the one Im executing presently. LOL, i like studying people) @SeanT21: I guess you will see this. Hope I am forgiven?*

Peachy Pie

Home

*its where everyone wants to be*

*i started the thread to observe Amigoz and SeanT21's reactions. The experiment was successful*

Deepdish

Cuddlez

*wanted to be certain I was not misfiring*

Babycakes

Luvums Hot-Lush Lips

*wait o, are u an Adonis or a Belladonna?*

Kunbee McBusty