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[exits thread  kissing it goodbye]

Its well o, even in the well it is well

Laughing and repenting.

@Kunbee: bawo ni? 

Preface:

When I say BIBLE, i do not refer to it in the general sense as follows:

bible (n): A book regarded as authoritative in its field

For the sake of my intents, I refer to the only official version of the Bible. The Bible is any collection treated as a complete version of the scripture of either Christianity or Judaism.

The one that is described here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

I must start by saying that I may have developed a reputation for snide remarks, but I am not really like that, I guess I got caught up in the heat of the arguments. I have abandoned the two threads for good.

Meanwhile, seeing that I approached matters of faith from a wrong perspective, I opened this thread to follow this Bible verse

[size=13pt]AMPLIFIED BIBLE
1st Peter 3:15  But in your hearts set Christ apart as holy [and acknowledge Him] as Lord. Always be ready to give a logical defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope that is in you, but do it courteously and respectfully. [Isa. 8:12, 13.] [/size]

and as such I welcome all questions, no matter your beliefs (or disbeliefs) about God. Please lets leave negativity outside, lest the thread become another battle of illogical fanaticism. Also, I will not answer questions on "errors" or "mistakes" in the Bible and/or Koran, to which I already made a final post on one of the earlier misconceived threads.

P.S> My responses will be based on MY own faith, which is altogether personal.

1Co 1:5  [So] that in Him in every respect you were enriched, in full power and readiness of speech [to speak of [size=13pt]your faith[/size]] and complete knowledge and illumination [to give you full insight into its meaning].

I may not respond immediately because I rarely have time for NL due to busy schedules.

Let's set the ball road-rolling!

@Jcross22: Abeg leave that argument matter. You can't convert anyone by arguments. Trust me, its not worth it. But then, I cant force you. Please do as you will. I am gradually learning how NOT to step on toes in the Religion section, being careful with words, and two wise men I have learnt a lot from are A_K_O and Pastor AIO. Its not that I am afraid of anyone, after all nobody on Nairaland knows ANYTHING about me, anything anybody claims to know (except my IP address and username, and registration email) is mere speculation and may not be true. My reason is in the Bible verse I quoted for babs787 below: courteous respect. Thanks!

@olabowale: I apologize for my perceived insolence. I guess I just felt cheated, because I don't make attempts to derail threads that don't agree with my viewpoint. I am sorry, and I wish you all the best in the revelation and actualization of your religion / faith in Islam.

@babs787: I am not (no longer) open to religious debates. However If you want to discuss my faith, we will need to do that on another thread. The link is below, I just created it. Best regards!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-352961.0.html#msg4939839

in line with

[size=13pt]AMPLIFIED BIBLE
1st Peter 3:15  But in your hearts set Christ apart as holy [and acknowledge Him] as Lord. Always be ready to give a logical defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope that is in you, but do it courteously and respectfully. [Isa. 8:12, 13.] [/size]

@Abuzola and others that I used very harsh words against: Please accept my apologies as well. As you can see, I am new here. I am not apologizing for the ideas I presented, which I still believe to be true, but I apologize for my manner of approach. Let everyman believe what they will, and let God be God.

@Everyone else: There's a funny saying that "Women have the last say in an argument, whatever happens after that is a new argument."  but that is not a statement I subscribe to. Please feel free to post after this, but be assured that I will not return here. See you on another thread!

Krayola:
haha. mavenbox has shown herself to be just another irrational, illogical fanatic disguising her fanaticism as intellectualism. Her contrived arguments for Christianity (conveniently ignoring Christianity's violent history that makes Jihadists look like saints) show her to be grossly biased and incapable of any honest assessment of ANYTHING!!

Let me run into hiding before she sends holy spirit to come and roast me   .  Enjoy your "holy" crusade.

You have totally read me wrongly!   I am not like that. But if only you read what I said, you will understand better. True that the Conquistadors and other such who did their damage, but we are talking about PRESENT TIME. I hope you understand. But it doesn't matter, its mea culpa. My mistake.

Pastor AIO:
Well, I think that there are better ways that you can relieve your dis-ease.  The way things are going, we'll just have a spiral of ever worsening quality of debate.  Abuzola didn't just appear by magic.  He was provoked into becoming what he is.  So we have a feedback loop.  Obnoxious 'christians' create Abuzolas.  Abuzolas incite 'christians' to attack islam,  Attacks on Islam create more Abuzolas.  These Abuzolas create even more obnoxious 'christians' etc etc etc.  The cycle is endless.

This is the most helpful comment I have seen anywhere on nairaland, trust me. As you can see from my profile, my cumulative time on NL is just a little over 3 days. Im rather new here and I'm often busy. Thanks for the advice, I will proceed along those self-same indicated (positive) lines of action and ignore this thread.

Krayola:
Amen to that!!

At first I kinda understood where she was coming from as I thought it was just a spontaneous reaction to some kinda provocation. But over time it has just become more and more nonsensical. This debate became nauseating a long time ago. It's just another "My God strong pass your own" episode and belongs in a kindergarten playground IMO.

You do not know me, Krayola. The above is a simple assumption, as I can only hope you will soon understand. True, I never intended to start out with a high level of rile, but I allowed to Abuzola to start me on that path, and when Olabowale started ignoring my initial reasons for the thread, begging the questions and derailing the thread, I let that get to me as well. Read my attached post to Marlbron below to see that you have considered me falsely. Cheers.

Marlbron:
This terrible debate again!

[b]Can we just let Christians and Moslems get on with their faith? Am yet to read of any nairalander that got converted based on the "debates" here. The debates are really pointless, with little cerebral input and often lead to abuse and exasperation. [/b]This is a result of lack of active moderation, and the Religion section needs it big time.

Interestingly, Marlbron, the reason I started this thread is not to try to convert muslims based on the debate. So why did I start? You may need to see my first post to get the picture. I visited the religion thread, and being new to Nairaland, I saw arguments on the veracity of the Bible and its concepts of truth. And some Muslims were saying the koran was perfect and had no such errors, logical or semantic. But that is something that I knew as far back as my years in the theological school: i had studied such things ages ago. So I whooped out my old notes to prove a point, but before I did so, I googled NL forums and saw that some few people had made attempts at presenting their views about errors in the koran, but the efforts were not concerted as such, and the evidence of those errors were not all in one place. So i created a new thread, and when it was overcome with irrelevancies, I made a sequel thread, and the same fate befell it. It takes no prophet to know it will all lead to an endless whorl of actions, and there will be no profit at the end of the day, only vitriol and rile will pervade the atmosphere. In another one year or less, another mavenbox will come to NL and the loop resumes.

So that you can know that I speak the truth about my original intents, I have included my reasons for making the post below, trying to be rational and straightforward. I hope the inclusion of the quote will work properly. It is on the first PAGE of my initial thread called "Just a tip of the Iceberg, etc"

mavenbox link=topic=349654.msg4894415#msg4894415:
, (i was starting to get angry here so I was replying some people like ARmanx who were "foaming at the mouth". It may not be palatable for general reading so I omiitted them),

If you are a Muslim, I think you should ask your Imam about Nasikh verses in the Koran, otherwise just leave matters as they are.

I do not understand why people love deceiving themselves. Even the greatest of erudite Muslim scholars know that there are errors that are not reconcilable in the Koran, and for 1400 years they have tried to sort them out. And yet, some ignorant imbeciles on Nairaland keep posting "so so and so mistakes in the Bible" everywhere they get the space to post such. The truth is that even as a Christian, I KNOW that there are some errors in the Bible that are believed by scholars to be due to translation and also due to the weakness of the English language, which is often too poor to hold the true meaning of the original Greek and Hebrew words.

[size=14pt]TRUE MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS KNOW THE SEMANTIC ERRORS IN THEIR HOLY BOOKS, AND THEY RECEIVE THE BOOKS BY FAITH WITHOUT STARTING FOOLISH ARGUMENTS.[/size]

Although, here on Nairaland, I have had some few arguments WHENEVER the Bible is quoted out of context or deliberately misrepresented. But for verses like Saul's conversion (light/sound experienced by those with Saul) and some other ones like that, you wont find me saying anything because it is actually true!

[size=15pt]So, why did I start this post? I am only trying to ask: why is it that Muslims feel so free to attack Christians, who will be expected to be on the silent receiving end? And when Christians respond, we see insane posts like the one by Yemium, screaming blue murder and talking about killing people? When those posts are made and the name of my God is dragged in the mud, we have to sit and stare in silence?[/size]

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The end of the matter is this: FAITH IS NOT BUILT ON MATTERS SUCH AS WORDS IN ANY "HOLY BOOK" or the other. THE "HOLY BOOK" is meant to be a guide to help you get started. Whether you are a Muslim or a Christian or a Buddhist or whatever, get started with the recommended Book and grow in your God by communication and daily practice of what He/She/It (your "god" tells you. And if you're an Atheist, I recommend that you visit the Jokes section and leave the Religion section.[/size]

That's all.

(more anger-laden text ommitted)

And there it is. I hope you see where things were meant to have ended. I used the thread to prove a point that faith is not something you can explain away using common knowledge, and I hoped to achieve that by making the muslims reason in the same vein that the numerous posts against the Bible were unfounded, foolish and unnecessary. I used myself as a pawn in a gambit to achieve that purpose. But I guess it was never achieved.

I rest my case.

My next post will be the last on this thread.

@Beaf:
Sorry to burst in on the council of professional programmers, but I wanna ask: I have been following this very interesting conversation, and I am wondering about something.

When you guys say .NET, do you mean C#? Or ASP.NET? I'm a novice C# and PHP programmer but I thought C# was mainly used for desktop apps. I knew ASP.NET is web-inclined, but I haven't written a line of ASP before. Can C# be used to develop entirely web-based applications, and how can that work out, i.e. will it translate directly to HTML like I know PHP used to or what? 

I am not challenging anyone, I am only seeking to increase knowledge. Thanks.

From this caterwaul of yours, I must confess that you have shot yourself in the foot.

First, you say they divorced. Now you say they never married.  

Tell me, how can they divorce if they never married?  

But ignoring that,

Mat 1:16  And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

And Matthew 1:18 also refers to Mary as the wife of Joseph. Those words are not the same word used when "espoused" was initially indicated, which means they got married.

You keep saying the bible is all about legends, myths and stories, but you cannot produce proof of that. Is that empirically sound? No it isn't.

Stop assuming that I am a Yoruba, Ibo or Hausa or Nigerian for that matter. Assumption is the least form of knowledge. The Nigerian community was not found in the bible because their experience did not intersect with that of the people who's experiences were recorded in the Bible. Simple.

But the interesting thing is that it is a non-issue, because God no longer considers people as "people of Lagos state", "people of Milwaukee", "people of Ontario" or whatever. He simply sees people as people that have the Life of God (Christians) and people that don't.

You are digressing from your own topic and I wonder why. As A_K_O has told you, you can't present inconclusive evidence and use it to establish conclusive claims, that's jabberwocky. Present better evidence, or forget the matter.

Meanwhile, what if it is even true? How does it affect my experience? Christ has died already, and I already have the profits of his death on the cross. Nothing else that happened while Christ was on earth matters as much as that, and what you're hereby discussing is, once again, a anon-issue.

Cheers.

@SeanT21: Are you mad at me?

@A_K_O: LOL Yes i wrote it myself, thanks. I program in C# and PHP. This code is pseudo-code for PHP (it mimicks PHP to an extent). I wrote it since May 2009.

@alex0026: Your evidence is not admissible, still because you are referring to legends, myths and stories of sects and groups with their variegated beliefs. WHERE IS YOUR REFERENCE FROM THE BIBLE OR JEWISH BOOK OF HISTORY THAT THEY GOT DIVORCED?

@Pastor AIO: You know the interesting thing, sir, is that I think I am one of those people you just referred to. But even more interesting is the fact that I visited the Nairaland religion threads and I thought that I could have a thread where we could LOGICALLY and PROCEDURALLY discuss matters. No, it never happened that way because Abuzola and some others came along and started causing trouble, derailing the thread. That action of derailing the thread is what I find barbaric, because I do not derail the thread when I am on other threads answering as a Christian apologetic.

And THAT is the nub of the matter.

And now Abuzola is quiet. Did I hit a sore spot?

But you also appear to be confused because this is pure equivocation considering your current argument:

Abuzola:
Do you need to find the context 'jesus excrete' before agreeing that jesus excreted ?  Since jesus  like you said incarnated as a man that means he has to undergo human rule, the same way this is analyse so is the case of joseph and mary, you do not expect everything to be written down in plain white

So what are you saying exactly, Abuzola?

@Ohsisi: Sister do you see what happens when you allow people know details about you on a public forum? They will be tossing it around like some leverage and introducing it into conversations. e.g.

olabowale:
Abuzola, as Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi taala wa Barackatuh. Please cut Ohsisi some slacks, because she is in that special condition for the next few months. The load, a muslim boy, InshaAllah (i will come search him out in Aba in the long run, Mama and Papa will take him back, someday), let her enjoy the benefit of what her womb carries!

Abuzola:
@sir olabowale- so osisi don carry belle ?

Please desist from spreading info about yourself in the future. Trust me, judging by a friend's experience, I know what I am saying.

Abuzola, correct me if I am wrong. Your mother is not alive. So does that mean if a visitor comes to your house and sees you, he can say that it means she divorced your father?

@Alex0026: Did you REALLY read my post, or you just glossed over it? Because it sounds more conclusive that what you have said, and answers some of the questions you posed.

@Abuzola: The Bible cannot record everything about Joseph, husband of Mary. If the Bible had done that, the next question I would hearing would be that we didn't hear enough about Zebedee, father of James and John.

@A K O: I have learnt a lot from you, just observing how you make your posts. Thank you.

@olabowale: You say that Christ was blaming his God for forsaking him. Let me teach you wisdom and truth. Not only was it a physical burden of crucifixion for Christ, it was a spiritual burden that NO MAN HAD EVER EXPERIENCED. All of man's sins in the past, present and future were placed on ONE MAN at once. God had to turn away because he can't stand sin. For the first time, Jesus experienced spiritual disconnection from God, and just like Adam ran away in the garden of Eden, Jesus' own expression as the last Adam (1 Cor 15:45) was to cry out in anguish.

For the first time, Jesus was forsaken by God, while on the cross. IT WAS THE PLAN, but it was painful for the moment, like taking Chloroquine to heal Malaria, if the person complains that it is bitter, does it make the drug ineffective? That is a dumb analogy, and I will keep using dumber ones until I have drummed it in. HE WAS FORSAKEN FOR A WHILE SO THAT I WILL NOT BE FORSAKEN FOREVER. That is the plain truth, and you keep mentioning Christ's death, now comparing it to your own death.  You are so funny. If God metes out the weight of YOUR OWN SIN alone upon your head, you will wish you were never born, let alone the sins of all mankind. And you're talking of death at 130 years 

LOL Olabowale are you hurt?

Mavenbox: For your information, I am not responding to you as a matter of engagement. I dont pay attention to you at all, but responding for the benefit of the wider audience. So dont worry about it! As far as am concern, you are not here.

LOL Everyone reading this knows that you have been responding to me, else you won't have been trying to pass the message via emotional appeal, but you would have reasoned intellectually, using your head. As for me, it has been clear from the onset that I am only responding to your digressions because I will not leave such dross on a thread I started. If you answered my questions, I would have responded neatly. As long as you keep digressing, I wont let you cover up the truth with your lies.

[size=15pt]If you want to balance things up, just answer the damn questions and if they are satisfactory I will exit the thread. Then you can build a castle here and invite your friends over if you want. JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS. Your reputation is at stake, Olabowale. And it is getting rotten already.[/size]

About the Jealous God, of course that is why Jesus came! Because even after all the warnings that God will not tolerate such things, the Israelites continued doing evil and they kept dying as a result of their wickedness, it was a self-involved system that the only solution had to come from OUTSIDE. You cant solve a problem if you're a part of it. So Christ had to come by immaculate birth, the seed of Adam would have brought that same sin of disobedience, wickedness and evil.

Who cares if infidel is in the koran or not? It originated from an infidel's heart and mind, so whether infidel is written therein or not, the koran is an express description of infidels. and did i hear you mention infidelity ? that's so wrong, it sounds like something abuzola would have said.

I wont answer your question about Jesus on the cross because, unless you are also blind asides being dull of hearing, you would have seen my earlier post explaining that matter using innoculation as an example/analogy.

AS LONG AS YOU KEEP TOYING WITH THIS THREAD, I WONT LET YOU REST, OLABOWALE. COME CLEAN AND SAY YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS, OR DEFEND YOUR DIRTY LITTLE BOOK OF LIES

Olabowale makes another empty attempt

What God will discriminate on a people while chosing another for Himself? No a just God! you utter.

That is more inane crap. Who created the people in the first case? As you are choosing your words to type these silly responses, if you decide on a word over another word, even if they are synonyms, who will question you? Will the words respond? Do the words dare challenge you?

So, from that perspective, God is Just. He spoke to Abraham and told him what he wanted him to do, and Abraham obeyed. The Israelites came from him. If Abraham had disobeyed, God may have chosen another people. Its not an onerous covenant. Whoever is not interested can back-off, but whatever happens to them will not bother anyone. Whoever He punishes is to be blamed because they are outside his covenant, they are illegal entities. But that was the old testament.

But in the new testament, the rules are different. There is, once again, a chosen people. However, the boundary is not fixed like it was with the Jews. Whoever wants to come into the family is free to do so, ever since Jesus paid the price, he/she only needs to accept that fact. God REALLY wants everyone to come into the family, but he will never force anyone. If you don't come in by will, you will perish by will. Shikena.

You are talking about Jealousy. Do you see why I said you are dull of hearing? I have explained that it is the weakness of your English Language that makes you read the word as Jealousy. Just like a word like "love" has so many different possible meanings but there's only one word for it in English. God is not limited to human languages, I say for the fourth time in 24 hours.

And if I say you are dull of hearing, you will start getting effeminately emotional.

Can we all see how Abuzola is majoring on non-issues instead of standing up for the crap he believes in? I have seen him now on three threads derailing the thread with nonsense whenever he can't answer the question. He claims not to have time, but he has the time to come here and post irrelevant, doggone information.

What does all of this have to do with the post?

If I tell you that you seem to be hard of hearing, I speak in truth because you keep bringing up the same matters in an annoying senile manner.

I told you to stop bringing in sentiments. Whether I am 5 or 50 or 500 or 5000 years old, or even eternal; answer the questions. The last time I checked, truth and verity did not depend on the age of the questioner or evaluator. You can go and play your age card on the Nairaland FAMILY thread. Your grey hairs may work wonders there.

If Robert Spencer is a boy to you, then you must surely regret not having gone to school early enough. Or not having gone at all.

And I am compared to Nigerians at home because? Don't be short-sighted. Because I know some Nigerian languages and I am on Nairaland does not mean I am a Nigerian. Does Mavenbox sound Nigerian to you?

ANSWER THE GIVEN QUESTIONS, OR STEP ASIDE AND SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD. ITS EASY.

@olabowale:

Let me start by telling you for the THIRD time that i am not a college student, and I finished with college long ago. You seem to be hard of hearing. Secondly, I am not a girl and I will insist you accord me due respect, for you do not even know my age. Thirdly, I was talking to Krayola, who demonstrated some more intelligence, if I was conversing with you I may have phrased my words differently. Fourthly, refrain from using irrelevancies like the name of your wife while we are conversing. With due respect to her, she can adopt the name of my chihuahua or the name of a vintage 1926 wine if she so cares. You seem to always try to appeal to emotions, please save it for the idiots that will take it from you.

Your posts are inane, utterly senseless I must confess. Because the God of Israel never asked them to subdue the people for RELIGIOUS reasons. The Egyptians were oppressing the Israelites. they made them slaves, as a reward for the help that Joseph did in Egypt, repaying good with eventual evil. Getting them out of Egypt was the thing of importance, and not that they wanted Pharaoh to become an Israelite.

Do you know where you theory falls into quicksand? The Mohammedans (sic) believe that by using violence they can enforce submission and add to their own numbers. Not so the Israelites. In fact, GOD wanted them separate as a people. There was to be no addition from outside. No mixing of any sort. So you are just talking crap, because it is incomparable.

You lack understanding of the truth, that is why you do not know what God meant by jealous. The English language is so weak, and if you want to say something without understanding, why not purchase a concordance so you can know the original rather than quoting out of context? I hear concordances are quite cheap. If you can't afford it, post your address: a willing Nairalander can send you one for free.

The hebrew word used for Jealous is קנּא
qannâ'
kan-naw'
which means "can be provoked unto anger" meaning that God was not going to take the nonsense that the Israelites could see other cultures and civilizations doing. Such things as orgies (which were the order of the day), burning children in fire (serving Molech) and the likes. GOD WAS TELLING THEM THAT HE CANNOT TOLERATE IT. Simple and straightforward. And as usual, you have digressed from the topic and harped upon a side-statement about God being secure in his Being. Zugzwang for you right there.

About Infidels

The English word Infidel is the Greek word:

ἄπιστος
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing): - that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).

Translated unbeliever in the below:
1Ti 5:8  If anyone fails to provide for his relatives, and especially for those of his own family, he has disowned the faith [by failing to accompany it with fruits] and is worse than an unbeliever [who performs his obligation in these matters].

I am sorry to alert you that, for someone who uses his brain productively, one can tell that the infidel is spoken of in relatively good light in the verse above; because the infidel is said to perform his family and social obligations. And it is an example to show that if someone professes to be a Christian and refuses to take care of his own, it is better if the person never ever professed to be a Christian. Besides, it was the closest English word that could be used to convey the meaning at that time when the KJV was translated.

This does not, yet, answer what I said
But in the Koran? They are advised to do those things (OUTSIDE war, OUTSIDE means of justice), to Kafirs and infidels, and they were even promised rewards in heaven! I hope someone will help me post a reference here.
because it is instead another digression. Rather than Olabowale face the facts, he chooses to beat about the bush.

WHEN ON EARTH WILL YOU STOP PLAYING AROUND WITH SEMANTICS? THIS THREAD IS DEALING WITH FACTS IN THE KORAN, YOU ARE BRINGING UP SEMANTICS. ARE YOU NOT ASHAMED OF YOURSELF, OLABOWALE?

And what does our conversation have to do with women and gender equality and fall from grace? You do know how to digress, don't you? You keep playing the woman card: wife, woman, your mother, your wife, etc. I am not moved emotionally, I hope you know that? All those women in your life will go to a [size=18pt]BURNING HELL[/size] if they don't repent. And you'll all be there together.

The Krayola that I was talking to, understood my perspective. We were talking about violence in the Old Testament and in the Mohammedan times as recorded in the Bible and koran. So when I said THE Muslims and/or THE Christians, I was relating our discussion to the present age. You may need to read it again, or ask Abuzola to explain to you. I have seen him observing in silence, so I think he's gaining wisdom. He may have overtaken you in wisdom, I know not.

Whoever drags the effigy of Judas Iscariot on the street does it for his fun or at his own peril, I care not. Jesus never asked me to have qualms with Judas for betraying him, so whoever does that is having as much fun as someone who goes kickboxing against a stuffed scarecrow and calls it mohammed. Or better, allah. Either case, I may only laugh and watch them beating a fluffy piece of rags and foam. It represents nothing unless you want it to. Which reminds me of that mohammed cartoon that someone drew for fun and the muslims began killing people.

As for the Jews when Christ was crucified? Christ had told his disciples time without number that he had to die, so they all knew it. They couldn't have uttered nonsense like you are saying. Christ never left his disciples in the dark.

And Saul? Of course Saul was wicked! And in case you forgot, he was wicked TO the Christians. So your point there is rather dumb. I can liken Saul to the Amalekites, enemy of the Jews in the OT. Because either case was an enemy of God's chosen people. Moot.

Olabowale, you are starting to sound senile because you keep digressing on these threads, and you keep raising irrelevant issues, and the ones that are unfinished above you cant defend them. It is pathetic.

You are allowing the thread to prepare to enter the fifth page and you only have some half-baked failed attempts at explaining the koran's lies. I was impressed starting with you but I must say that I enjoyed discussing with Abuzola more, because his digressions were at least comical. Yours are long, boring and histrionic. What is our business with your family matters, for instance? 

These people are just out to waste time, I have better things to do. My conclusion is that you have no defence, so you have chosen to waste time with irrelevancies and dross. Christians have so many threads out there where you can ask your questions and get answers. AS FOR THIS THREAD, THE KORAN IS ON TRIAL FOR PREVARICATION OF SORTS, AND FOR CREATING ZOMBIES OUT OF MEN DUE TO FORCED STATEMENTS OF FALSEHOOD.

[size=18pt]Defend your lying koran or scram.[/size]

@olabowale:

I beg to differ. God answered Jesus' prayers. By letting him die on the cross. Because that was the plan. He CAME TO DIE. What's so hard to understand about that? It was the excruciating pain that made Jesus cry. But when he returned, was he complaining?

Just like a child that goes to get immunized from polio may cry to his father as the nurse prods him with the needle. Of course the father will not tell the nurse to stop because it is the plan. When the injection has been done and the child is immunized, the child stops crying. That is a SIMPLE analogy for you.

About the language he spoke, I asked earlier today and got no response. What language does God speak, that we may speak it to him? My God cannot be limited by human languages, he reads the language of the heart.

So even if I am born on an esoteric polynesian island and I use my language to call God, and not call him Yahweh, He will still hear me.

My God is not like the demon allah that all he can understand is arabic.

LOL @ wale.star

Karma don dey catch u. LMAO

@Krayola:

No. You have entirely missed my point. I am not talking about what God endorses or what he does not. You were the one making a comparison between the Old testament's violence and what is recorded in the Koran, I will not of my accord compare light with darkness except I want to flood the darkness with light, like I have done in the above.

My point is that, considering things from a social science perspective, Islam is generally more violent than Christianity ever was, and the major reason for such violence is found in their Koran. And besides, a great deal of the violence targets the selfsame Christians. Not any religion on Earth, but the "hateful" Christians, as a guy in my university was known to say. That's it.

Mind what you believe on Nairaland, it's a jungle out here, and there are many [b]LIE[/b]ons and other funny animals

[size=18pt]VIARO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL Viaro the Hero. Dont mind them, when they run out of steam or lame excuses to cover their a$$es that's what they do. Especially when they meet someone that is their match. LOL

Odd only to those who think they can understand the Maven's mind

Then I can tell you that I miss you, dearie

Krayola:
Would it then be unreasonable to say that ^^ same argument can be made for violence in the Qu'ran? [size=13pt]That if interpreted "correctly" they were guidelines that were essential for the survival of the Muslim community in the formative years, and not an endorsement of terrorism?[/size]

Argument (n): A discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal.

The way you countered my argument above, you made it an argument in turn. So I was right in calling it YOUR argument. Your proposition.