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@Krayola: I am afraid I can't answer your question thoroughly right now because I will need verses from the Koran, I have a softcopy on my other laptop but its not here right now. I will need to post verse that communicate violence, and you will see the difference.

In the Bible, there were two types of violence advised in the OT: revenge or other law-related violence types, and then violence in war. There is never anywhere that they were instructed to deal with those that refused to submit to their religion. Hey my God is not insecure! If he wanted 1 billion people to follow him by force, he would either convert them or make them appear out of nothing!

But in the Koran? They are advised to do those things (OUTSIDE war, OUTSIDE means of justice), to Kafirs and infidels, and they were even promised rewards in heaven! I hope someone will help me post a reference here.

And when i say THE muslims i meant it in perspective, (hey!) and not ALL muslims. I meant THE same muslims that partake of the violence. And when/if I say THE Christians, i mean it in perspective also.

I dislike typing. I hope you understand.

@Krayola: You know where your argument starts to leak? Christians don't go out of their way to prove a point today killing people or subduing people like the Israelites used to because Israel is a physical country (they defend themselves today) and our own kingdom is not physical, and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, they are mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.

[size=13pt]2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.[/size]

THAT is the equivalent of what the Israelites had to do, fighting for survival. They were not saved, and they had not the Holy Spirit living inside them.

Do you now see why I said that the Old Testament is a SHADOW of the New Testament? I just gave you an example: physically having to defend yourself versus defeating strongholds in the spirit.

But the Muslims? They carry out their physical violence as an instruction to enforce submission and increase their numbers. So be it.

And further, because of the hardness of people's hearts, some rules were given to them to obey like dummies to ensure that justice is carried out effectively.

In today's world, it is not necessary because we have the LAW to do such things as avenge a dead man, his relatives don't need to revenge. If such laws had not been published in those days, wickedness would have increased.

The laws of the old testament need to be seen in the eyes of the Holy Spirit, with new life in Christ Jesus. Such things as the 10 commandments are FULFILLED when you LOVE. LOVE satisfies all of them, because true love for God and man will hinder you from breaking the commandments.

God knows all things, and there were things that God told people in the old testament that they couldnt have gotten if he didnt pass it as a law. e.g. when someone has a body discharge (pus), he was to be isolated, washed, and returned to camp. The Israelites were some of the cleanest people on earth at the time recorded in Deuteronomy for such small things as these.

If God had explained to them "there are these things called micro-organisms, they are so small your eyes can't see them. They will spread the disease in your camp" , their heads will blow because they won't understand. So he just gave them a LAW that they had to follow.

But in the New Testament? We are not zombies. We are filled with understanding and nothing is hidden from us.

1Co 2:15  But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

1Jn 2:20  But you have been anointed by [you hold a sacred appointment from, you have been given an unction from] the Holy One, and you all know [the Truth] or you know all things.

1Jn 2:27  But as for you, the anointing (the sacred appointment, the unction) which you received from Him abides [permanently] in you; [so] then you have no need that anyone should instruct you. But just as His anointing teaches you concerning everything and is true and is no falsehood, so you must abide in (live in, never depart from) Him [being rooted in Him, knit to Him], just as [His anointing] has taught you [to do].

That's all.

@Krayola: Thank you. It is not irrelevant. In fact,

Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Old Testament is not irrelevant to the the Christian, but it takes UNDERSTANDING.

And by experience on Nairaland, I have found that some people do not objectively draw the line between STORIES OF WAR, which were necessary to ensure Israel's survival in its early days, and things that are LAWS and PRINCIPLES.

A true Christian knows how to tell the fine lines, but I knew he would take things out of context, thats why I said so. Hope you understand?

Oh boy! Laugh no go kill me for this Nairaland.

@Ohsisi: Correct, correct. even if you give him the marking scheme, he will still fail

@No2Atheism: Thumbs up,

@olabowale: LOL its this kind of gist that you like. The original headaches I was giving you are still unanswered.

Leave Christianity? How can I do that? Can you leave being a human being? No. Then I can't leave Christianity because it is the life I live, its not a mere religion like what you are up to. Besides, I already explained above: how can one leave the life of God and demote himself to serve under a demon as a slave?

And for the record, whenever you want to refer to Christians, stop pointing at the Old Testament, because it was only a shadow of things to come. When Christ came and salvation was fulfilled, I gained eternal life. So if you want to talk to Jews about killing, go ahead. If you want to talk to us, show us where Christ, or someone else in the new Covenant (New testament), ordered anybody to kill anyone. Then we can discuss it. Okay?

But what is all this dross doing on the thread? You sabi digress o!

Folks don tire for this thread, me self i don retire

This thread is devoid of good understanding.  

Luk 2:3  And all the people were going to be registered, each to his own city or town.
Luk 2:4  And Joseph also went up from Galilee from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the town of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David,
Luk 2:5  To be enrolled with Mary, his espoused (married) wife, who was about to become a mother. [Matt. 1:18-25.]
Luk 2:6  And while they were there, the time came for her delivery,
Luk 2:7  And she gave birth to her Son, her Firstborn; and she wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room or place for them in the inn.

If Joseph had "beef" with Mary because of Christ's divine birth, he wouldn't have continued with her, followed her to Bethlehem of Judea and only then to legally separate from her later FOR THAT SAME REASON of Christ's immaculate conception. It's rather dumb to follow that line of thinking.

He could not have been divorced from Mary because infidelity is the only reason to divorce your wife, and mary was not unfaithful, or we wouldn't have heard the last of it. Read Deut 24:1-4 about what allows divorce, but even then it is stubbornness that made God allow it, Mar 10:2-4 gives the NEW ORDER according to life in Christ.

Also, Joseph and Mary had other children, the Bible records Jesus' brothers in
Mat 12:46  Jesus was still speaking to the people when behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Mat 12:47  Someone said to Him, Listen! Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to You.

The brothers are James, Joses, Simon, and some others (Jewish historical sources).

According to Strong's Concordance of the Bible, [size=14pt]the Greek word used for brothers there is a Greek Word ἀδελφός (adelphos) ad-el-fos', by Strong's concordance, which means out of delphus (the womb); and related also to the Hebrew [H1]  ב
'âb awb which means FATHER. This means that "not only from the same womb, but from the same father".[/size]

Since Mary was a virgin before Christ's birth, so Christ was her first child, and they were Mary's younger children. Which means that Mary had other children from Joseph after Jesus. Therefore Joseph did not separate from Mary. Your theory has fallen through.

Meanwhile, I believe Joseph died, because while on the cross, Jesus had to hand over Mary's care to his most loved disciple.

AMPLIFIED
Joh 19:25  But by the cross of Jesus stood His mother, His mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
Joh 19:26  So Jesus, seeing His mother there, and the disciple whom He loved standing near, said to His mother, [Dear] woman, See, [here is] your son!
Joh 19:27  Then He said to the disciple, See, [here is] your mother! And from that hour, the disciple took her into his own [keeping, own home].

The only reason for such an action is if the woman's husband was dead and the younger brothers were too young to do anything. Don't forget that Jesus was approx 33 years. How old would that make his brothers? Do not forget that they weren't so rich growing up in the family so it is likely that, by Jewish customs, there was good spacing between them. So Jesus handed his Mother over to someone who was old enough and was working, had the means to take care of his mother. The only reason to do such is if Joseph was dead.

The last reference about Joseph in Luke confirms that Joseph was a devout follower of the customs of his religion with his observance of Passover. It implies that Joseph made certain of good spiritual training for the children in his family. Joseph proved his integrity and willingness to be obedient to God's direction and guidance.

@Ohsisi: LOL thanks for the rebuttal. I have made it a point of duty to ignore Abuzola unless he says something intelligent. He is not worth my time.

To start with, if you haven't seen the movie, don't. You will probably get angry and hateful if you are patriotic.

After watching the film it is quite clear that they singled out Nigerians. Nigerians are a hardworking and resourceful people despite the fact that the western media tends to give more attention to the criminals amongst us.

Everyone seems to be putting the cart before the horse. The film is not racist, Neill Blomkamp the writer/director is. This is a man who with his family fled SA to Canada soon after the abolition of apartheid. There are a good number of white South Africans who fled similarly because they could not bear being ruled by Black people.

Funny enough, Neill Blomkamp's mentors are Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, the husband-and-wife team behind Lord of the Rings. Jackson, who produced the $30 million District 9 project, called District 9 a "tiny" film. He's got his own standards, whatever they are.

Although his portrayal of Nigerians in the film is appalling, Neill Blomkamp's portrayal of black South Africans is worse and shows his innate racial tendencies. The film is set in modern day South Africa yet all the people with power are all white, the sociologist, the journalists, the engineers etc.

An alien ship docks over Jo'burg and at no time do we see any government officials, why? because they would have to be black which is why he chose to use the fictitious company MNU which just happens to be run by white South Africans, the way the heads of this company were acting you would think they were the ones running the country! What they actually said in the film was that the government contracted out the running/evacuation of district 9 to the white run MNU makes perfect sense to the delusional racist South African, "the blacks may rule but we still run the country".

All black South African characters in the film were still subservient to the whites to the extent that the black military personnel still called the main character "boss" and another black official had to be protected like a child by Wikus when they were carrying out evictions in the slum. The director/writers could have called the gang anything they wanted without specifically identifying them as people from a specific nation. He could have chosen any name for the leader of the gang besides Obasanjo which was pronounced as "Obasedjo, ".

I recently read a review of a book The Fate of Africa by Martin Meredith. In most films about Africa, the assumption is that Black Africans are good and white people are usually evil or uncaring. Most of sub-Saharan Africa has been in shambles since independence. The deaths caused by war, corruption and bad leadership in countries like Rwanda, Somalia, Ethiopia Congo, Angolo, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Sierra Leone and Nigeria has been staggering. It's not politically correct to dwell on these issues because it's not like it doesn't get discussed much. Over the years it's been easier to just focus on South Africa and ignore corrupt and racist governments in black African countries. If the Nigerians in the film were instead white South Africans that would be politically correct, I guess. As for the Nigerians, they didn't need to be Nigerians at all, it seemed a bit of needless finger pointing and an unhelpful distinction.

Besides, I had a problem with District 9's treatment of the Nigerians: the subtitles on the screen when , the Nigerian characters (who were not even really Nigerian, not in the least, every Nigerian and South African that watches the movie can tell with ease) are speaking clear English. It's something that is happening more and more when African people are on television and it's patronising and damaging.

Throughout the movie, whiteness is portrayed as superior and sophisticated. Dont believe me? Check it. Throughout the movie, while all the intelligent insights about the situation regarding the aliens are provided by white people, all that blacks have to say is basically "We just want them out of here" (that sort of reminds me of the same sentence I have heard so very often from South Africans, telling Nigerians "Just leave our country". How sad, in a flattening global world. Imagine what would happen in the U.S. if the Red Indians inanely insisted, "Just leave our country"?)

While the racist whites are portrayed as government officials and the army, the racist blacks are either subordinate officers or Nigerian gangsters. While whites express either repulsion to the aliens or compassion to their situation, blacks are the only ones who are willing to do business and even have sex with them. That would not be a problem if the Aliens were not portrayed as savage, trash-eating creatures. In fact, the only white that ends up getting so close to the aliens is Wikus (the white hero). Unsurprisingly, the aliens with which he deals so closely are the only ones that are portrayed as intelligent and sophisticated creatures (alien Christopher and his little son).

The message: while all people are capable of being racist, regardless of their skin color, blacks, besides being as racist as whites, can only be subordinate officers, gangsters, prostitutes, flesh-eating witches, or never have anything intelligent to say.

The cartoon below is one of the many cartoons people have made about District 9, making Nigeria a laughing stock.

Deep down inside a pitch black evil heart, in the most remote recesses of the darkest mind, lives a hungry desire. The entity is the devil, and his desire is to be able to do all that man is capable of. You need to understand that he has been forever damned. Every so often, he wishes to be able to return to a position within God, but it's too late. Even if it was possible for the devil to get saved, his many layers of deceit, pride, lies and rebellion will never let him do so.

[size=14pt]So in resilient bitterness he considers and hates human beings who have an opportunity that he can never have: get saved, get back to God and become just like Him (God), the source, creator, pattern and end of sentience and insentience.[/size]

Day by day he has a desire to look into this potential that man has, but alas he cannot. They are beyond his eternal ken. At best, he can second-guess motives and spiritual principles due to his experience spanning millenia, but all he can do with that information is to carve a spoof out of it. Then he presents this parodied hocus-pocus data to us. Yes, you, reading this article, and me too. At which time we will have a choice, to accept his fabricated jiggery-pokery, or to receive the truth from the true source. God. And the One for whom everything was designed from the start. Jesus.

Some people think the devil is smart just because he seems to "know" some things about some families or circumstances. Nope, I'll liken him to a dull student that has repeated the same class for a billion years. Now the student knows the situation from back to front , but not enough to ever pass and get promoted to the next level (well, Jesus' crucifixion shook him, Christ was an unexpected lecturer and the devil failed that course woefully).

The truth is, the devil really knows nothing. He's the same old fool that he has been since he fell from grace. Now, he's so blind to the truth, I wonder why people still trust his methods!

"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." - Jesus Christ in Matthew 15:14

/*
Begin ZOE class
*/

while( NOT $dead ) {
if ($aliveInChrist == true) {
$nextChoice = "SELECT 'Decisions' from 'HolySpirit' WHERE 'time' = NOW() LIMIT 1;" //next valid choice
$acceptChoice = processQuery($nextChoice); //accept the next valid choice
$obeyChoice = fetch_array($acceptChoice);
while ($obeyChoice = fetch_assoc($acceptChoice)) { //ostart obeying the next valid choice, line by line
benefits .= "<life>".$obeyChoice['Decisions']."</life>"; //Soteria. Continue reaping benefits of the choice
}
liveForGod(benefits, eternally);
}else{
getSaved(freeOfCharge).begin(function(NOW){
mustBelieve->$Jesus = Christ(); //The Heavenly King and Messiah in human form
mustBelieve->$Christ($died) = function{
$allSins = global array($yourSins, $mySins); //Multiglobal array of sins, each costing death

$past = array(history(-1), scaleCount(){infinity($inf)}); //all that has ever happened before
$future = array(history(+1), scaleCount(){infinity($inf)}); //all that will ever happen

foreach($allSins->this as $costOfSin => $death){ //Now we have to add up all the costs of the sins
$totalSinCost = $totalSinCost + $costOfSin; //Adding everything now
$Christ->sinCost = $totalSinCost; //Progressively adding it up to Christ's bill
return true;
}

$Christ = $allSins; //Blame for all sins copied & placed on him
$allSins.delete(); //And the original copies are destroyed
$totalSinCost.timestamp(NOW).value = 0; // all current sins taken care of
$totalSinCost.history($past).value = 0; //all past sins compensated for
$totalSinCost.next($future).value = 0; //all future sins already paid for

$Christ.die.obeyChoice();

$Christ.wait(259200) = function(){ //While waiting for 259200 seconds i.e. 3 days
$Christ.location.redirect(hell);
$Christ.approaching_hell(){command->hell.gates.crumble(); hell.gates.crumble.flat();};
hell.terror();
Global public->echo "Battle begins";
$Christ.conquer(satan).disgracefully();
$Christ.mock(satan);
$(all).satan.subjects().ridicule(satan); //not their fault, mockery is their nature
$satan.terror.yield({$keys(hell)}, to->$Jesus);
Global public->echo "Fair but crushing Battle. What a shame!";
Global public->echo "All hail the Lamb who washed away the Sins of the World";
Global public->echo "Crown him Lord of all. Every knee must bow and every tongue confess his Lordship";
$Christ.attrib{$keys(heaven, hell), self};
Global public->echo "Now the keys to heaven and hell are in the same hands. Things are much easier now!";
Global public->echo "Choose your destiny, it's now in your hands!";
$Christ.preach.gospel(to->deadInHell).($this)->finalChance{repentance, salvation}; //All those that died before Christ had another chance
$firstSaints = $deadinHell.saved(asManyAsBelieved);
$firstSaints.location.redirect(earth).say("Hi!", family).testimony->moreShame(satan);
$Christ.location.redirect(earth);
$satan.angry(loss);
$satan.veryAngry.beginScheming(evil).to->discredit(gospel).Christ;
};

$Christ.rise(glorified);
$HolySpirit = Christ.Parent.gift(); //The Gift of the Father to all who believe
$HolySpirit.ready()->helper(Saints);
$Christ.location.redirect();
$firstSaints.location.redirect(heaven);
}
$(this).all = ''; //Have a fresh start. Life history or origin no longer matters.
$(this).all = new Creation(zoe); //zoe is the life that makes God live as God
$(this).help = $HolySpirit();
$aliveInChrist == true;
}
if ($aliveInChrist == true).NOW() refer.order.step(){go = "while (NOT $dead)";} //You may refer to the start again
}
}

First of all, we need to understand what life really means. There are many diverse definitions but I intend to dwell on three definitions that I made up:

1. An account or course of activities and series of events that distinguishes a functional thing from non-functional ones.
2. The aspect of a subject’s being that causes a quickened expression of animation and energy. This aspect qualifies the subject to participate in well-defined actions.
3. The characteristic mode of manifestation that influences and motivates a subject’s actions and defines conditions that exist around the subject. This mode nourishes, restores, preserves, revives, sustains and repairs the subject as long as those set conditions are satisfied.

From the three definitions above, it is clear that life comes in various classes, and the functional expressions of the subjects of each class are bound by their actions (or inactions) relative to that particular uniting class of life.

I will give an example. A boy who grew up on the Hawaiian Islands probably began swimming at the tender age of two or three years. By the time he is 12, if he is healthy, he can survive underwater for up to 6 or 7 minutes, which is an extraordinary feat for someone like you who (probably) dabbles in and out of a life of swimming (maybe some weekends when you have the time). An easier example is that of a cat that is caged and fed with grass. No matter how hungry it is, it would rather die of starvation than eat the grass! The Hawaiian boy and the cat, each one has a LIFE that patterns its actions, decisions and general aspect. So then, if life ever appears not to be working out, it should be obvious that you’re on the wrong lane altogether, or you are just fooling yourself!

[size=16pt]I know someone who decided to live for God, and gave his life to Jesus Christ in prayer two years ago. This guy used to be very “hot” with the former aspect of his life, and he never ignored any of his principles: he knew his codes of conduct in every aspect of his life. He had his rep schedule (which involved planning how to make a substantive name for himself, often an image that was larger than life), girl schedule (flirting, dates, strategy, deception, seduction, sex, “dumps”, the whole works), his booze & party schedule, his organized runs schedule (doing whatever he needed to do to get the money he needed to do whatever else he wanted to do), his protégé schedule (where he gets advice from his mentors and sticks to it like a flea on a sore), his study schedule (taking time out to consider how to better himself and beat his competition), and so on. Funny enough, he became a Christian and… nothing. He expected his new Life to work like magic. “But no”, I say, “He’s meant to work it out!” Why do people live beyond expectations outside Christ, and now in Christ expect things to fall into their laps without carrying out their simple prerequisite duties: Love God, and Walk by Faith?[/size]

There are defined schedules in the Christian Life as well, and there are codes of conduct. One big difference is the end-point. For the other types of life, there is only one rule: and it’s the Law of Mirages, as obtains in the desert where you keep on reaching and reaching only to find out that what you’ve got is an empty promise and real satisfaction is further and farther. For the Life in Christ, the rule is the Law of Everlasting Life, and it is manifested in every aspect of living. AS LONG AS YOU LIVE THE LIFE.

Now I will quote Jesus, as he said in John 4:13-14, “Everyone who drinks this water will get thirsty again and again. Anyone who drinks the water I give will never thirst--not ever. The water I give will be an artesian spring within, gushing fountains of endless life." [The Message]

Obey your thirst. Drink deep, and stick with Christ.

Sometimes SATIRE is a cool tool for clients to understand what webdevelopers go through. I dug up an old article of mine that I wrote when I was angry in October, and posted it tonight, then I saw this thread. You may want to read it up.

Clients too will, then, understand how complex these things can be.

It is here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-352344.0.html

Please consider the travails of an "Archiwebdeveloper", if Architects were like Webdevelopers this is what they would be facing.

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Client address,
15 October 2009

Please design and build me a house. I am not quite sure of what I need, so you should use your discretion. My house should have somewhere between two and forty-five bedrooms. Just make sure the plans are such that the bedrooms can be easily added or deleted. When you bring the blueprints to me, I will make the final decision of what I want. Also, bring me the cost breakdown for each configuration so that I can arbitrarily pick one.

Keep in mind that the house I ultimately choose must cost less than the one I am currently living in. Make sure, however, that you correct all the deficiencies that exist in my current house (the floor of my kitchen vibrates when I walk across it, and the walls don't have nearly enough insulation in them).

As you design, also keep in mind that I want to keep yearly maintenance costs as low as possible. This should mean the incorporation of extra-cost features like aluminum, vinyl, or composite siding. (If you choose not to specify aluminum, be prepared to explain your decision in detail.)

Please take care that modern design practices and the latest materials are used in construction of the house, as I want it to be a showplace for the most up-to-date ideas and methods. Be alerted, however, that kitchen should be designed to accommodate, among other things, my 1952 Gibson refrigerator.

To insure that you are building the correct house for our entire family, make certain that you contact each of our children, and also our in-laws. My mother-in-law will have very strong feelings about how the house should be designed, since she visits us at least once a year.

Make sure that you weigh all of these options carefully and come to the right decision. I, however, retain the right to overrule any choices that you make.

Please don't bother me with small details right now. Your job is to develop the overall plans for the house: Get the big picture. At this time, for example, it is not appropriate to be choosing the color of the carpet. However, keep in mind that my wife likes blue.

Also, do not worry at this time about acquiring the resources to build the house itself. Your first priority is to develop detailed plans and specifications. Once I approve these plans, however, I would expect the house to be under roof within 48 hours.

While you are designing this house specifically for me, keep in mind that sooner or later I will have to sell it to someone else. It therefore should have appeal to a wide variety of potential buyers.

Please make sure before you finalize the plans that there is a consensus of the population in my area that they like the features this house has. I advise you to run up and look at my neighbor's house that he constructed last year. We like it a great deal. It has many features that we would also like in our new home, particularly the 75-foot swimming pool. With careful engineering, of course, I believe that you can design this into our new house without impacting the final cost.

Please prepare a complete set of blueprints. It is not necessary at this time to do the real design, since they will be used only for construction bids. Be advised, however, that you will be held accountable for any increase of construction costs as a result of later design changes.

You must be thrilled to be working on as an interesting project as this! To be able to use the latest techniques and materials and to be given such freedom in your designs is something that can't happen very often. I'm sure you are making a lot of money from this project.

Contact me as soon as possible with your complete ideas and plans. I have only 2 weeks for the entire construction, because I am having a party in 3 weeks and I want to have it in the house.

PS: My wife has just told me that she disagrees with many of the instructions I've given you in this letter. As architect, it is your responsibility to resolve these differences. I have tried in the past and have been unable to accomplish this. If you can't handle this responsibility, I will have to find another architect.

PPS: I am thinking. Perhaps what I need is not a house at all, but a travel trailer. Please advise me as soon as possible if this is the case.
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Copyright information: This work is not entirely original. I saw a similar note on the internet, as far back as 2002 when I ventured along this path. But I have expanded on the overall idea,

@manmustwac:

Then you need to change the description of the Islam for Muslims board, because it says MUSLIMS ONLY, PLEASE. Which means if my post is there, that means I am a Muslim  . And it also (legally speaking) prevents Christians from contributing on the thread, since they are not Muslims, which is not fair seeing that people like Olabowale and Abuzola are derailing the thread, asking questions about Christianity and making odd remarks.

On the other hand, it is also interesting to see that what it means is that I will not be able to visit the thread to post any replies (since I AM NOT A MUSLIM). The thread may as well be locked then, if it will be placed in the Islam section, because I am not a muslim. Otherwise, the description of the board needs to be changed.

Cheers.

@Marlbron:

Marlbron:
L&G

Arguing along faith lines is getting boring. It looks like the guys that come here with agendas are taking over nairaland. No amount of criticism against a faith will change the believers to see reason. Suggest we focus on applying our beliefs and dealing with issues. Live and let live. We all agree that God's religion if any is to love one another and to love him alone. If we agree on that then lets move on and refocus.

Mea culpa. You are very right about the part I emboldened above. My next original post will be for Christians to build their spirits up.

I LOVE THIS VIARO GUY! A MAN AFTER MY OWN HEART!! LOL

And once again ***crickets chirped*** until they tried to change the topic,

These Muslims will never understand due to spiritual blindness. The reason why these people are revising the Bible is so that the message can be more easily understood by everyone, new translations are being produced in contemporary languages. Even if the Bible is revised daily, and there are a billion versions available, THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVES LIFE to the words we read in the Bible. Its not the wording of the Bible that works for us, its the understanding that the Holy Spirit renders unto us by faith.

[size=18pt]Tell me, what language does God speak? Is he limited to a human language, or the semantic translation of any verse?[/size]

Of course HE isn't! he will TALK to you in your own language when you read His Word.

So even if a Bible is transliterated into PIDGIN or WAFFI, and ONE MAN gets saved by it, it will be like the parable of the lost sheep, one sheep got lost out of 100 and the shepherd left the 99 in search of the one. The 99 will be brothers like Davidylan who use the original manuscripts, the 1 will be people like a friend of mine, Gbadebo, who can only understand something like the Message, which is written in today's contemporary street-language (by the way, the Bible was written in contemporary language in their days, so why not write it in contemporary language in OUR days?)

The honest truth is that when Christians increase in maturity, they learn to read between the lines in the KJV (like Davidylan) and get the understanding. But until then, there are other versions that they can use to bring themselves up to speed, and the Holy Spirit will expand the meanings in their hearts.

Heaven rejoices over the altogether salvation of ONE person, no matter how the person got to know the truth.

I will support Bible translation with my last money, as long as the truth is not edited like the sects do, or like the koran has been known to do. Thank you.

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@manmustwac:

I am in my rights, moderator.

I am not qualified to post there. The description of the forum is:

[size=13pt]Islam for Muslims[/size]
[size=16pt]A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims.
Moderator: Jarus[/size]

and I will never be a Muslim, although my previous thread was moved there without notice. I even had a hard time finding it, I thought it had been deleted by an enemy of the truth.

and besides, it is as enlightening for Christians, as it is for muslims.

@Olabowale: Loooool now you are making me laugh. Your posts are gradually reducing in intellectual weight. Soon you will be reduced to Abuzola. I guess maybe he started like this sometime in the past, because whenever you tell a lie, you have to tell another lie to cover it, and you continue covering your mind with thick layers of stupidity until you are nothing more than an animal. And then you will be screaming murder and suicide bombing like Abuzola.

I have unfinished business with you about Haman, that the Koran LIED that he built a tower to defy the God of Moses. You guys defended with a freebase article and the Rosetta stone. Then I proved to you that the Rosetta stone did not mention Haman, rather, serious Muslim apologists know that the first letter of the name is not the one that corresponds to that in Haman (see it earlier on the thread), or otherwise it is hmn-h (which has 2 problems: the last h after the hyphen cannot be thrown away, and how do you know that the vowels in the consonant structure are A?  ). Then you kept quiet and let the thread get covered with irrelevancies so that you wont need to defend it. I let that slide in silence.

Then you tried to answer the unfortunate insinuation about the path of the sperm. You started by lying that it has to do with how your muscles move (because you know, seeing that you are a man and you have had sex  ) and then we dismissed it as crap, you said you cant explain without a diagram. Once again, I did the work of supplying it, but you have not been convincing in your argument, because every man and his fluffy dog knows that the path indicated in the diagram does not get to the backbone, and hardly even touches the ribcage, i.e. the costovertebral joints. why don't YOU get an unbiased view from someone about this? And preferably, not a doctrinated blind muslim?

All the explanation below is not for you, Olabowale, because you cannot understand, it appears. It is for those reading this thread, and I will keep explaining until they all get it.

You keep mentioning three gods. Is old age catching up with you, Olabowale? Because I have explained to you times without number. If you are living in a one-dimensional world (a dot), and for the first time you see an object in three dimensions (3D real space), you will argue blindly and foolishly that the 3D world is confusing because "it is going in three directions at once". That's like what you are saying. The Father, the Son, the Spirit, are attributes of ONE Entity: my God and Father.

And on the other hand, last time i checked allah has 99 names, and there are even more that have been "hidden from mankind"  (is allah insecure that people will steal his names?). Names like The creator, the bestower, the abaser, the grateful  (Ash-Shakūr i had to put the name there lest you deny it) (i wonder who your god is grateful to, if he is not a demon grateful to enjoy the leeway to operate evil until he is vanquished forever and doomed for eternity?) etc Does that mean you serve 99 gods? Or is it 99 demons? Because there is no direct correlation between those names, and it appears like a megalomaniac demon trying to impress himself and drive fear into your hearts.

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As for me, I serve one God, who has three roles with respect to mankind. That is what the TRINITY concept is all about.
The Father: The source and Almighty giver of all good gifts, in whom there is no shadow or doubt. (Gen 17:1, James 1:17)
The Son: Godhead's express representative to man, restoring mankind to God (John 1:1-3, Col 2:9, Heb 4:15)
The Spirit: The perfecter and consolidation of present truth, knowledge and wisdom until the end of the ages (John 16:13, Acts 1:8 )
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There are THREE THINGS, with respect to eternal timelines and mankind:
THE ETERNAL GIFTS of the FATHER[i], spanning through the ages from past to future. The son he gave was his most precious and prized possession, but it had to be done, to pay for my sins and for yours.[/i]
THE FINISHED WORKS of CHRIST[i], having come to earth to build the bridge of reconciliation with God, established a new pathway for man to be a partaker in the divine nature of the Godhead (more on that in a bit), and standing with the Father as my High Priest, REPRESENTING ME TILL THE END OF TIME.[/i]
THE PRESENT MINISTRY of the Holy Spirit[i], helping out with our weaknesses, making prayers and intercessions for us with groanings that cannot be uttered (Rom 8:26), and guiding Man in his brand new life INSIDE God. The way a guardian takes care of a child as he increases in maturity.[/i][/size]

Anything that has to do with our Christian walk through the ages, from before Christ came, to Christ's days on earth, to these end-times, is in line with one of the Three Things above. ANYTHING.

And for your understanding, the only Slaves in my father's kingdom are demons like allah. They have no say in affairs, but just like when you are having a big family meeting and the househelp or slave needs to be there to hear instructions, the devil too is allowed to come and hear what God has to tell him.
Job 1:6  Now there was a day [size=13pt]when[/size] the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

[size=13pt]BUT WE ARE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE of GOD![/size]

Joh 1:12  But as many as [size=13pt]received him[/size], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13  Which were born, [size=15pt]not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God[/size].
Joh 1:14  And [size=13pt]the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us[/size], (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: [size=18pt]that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature[/size], having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

[size=15pt]You think I'm on your level? As a partaker of the divine nature, I'm INSIDE God, and God is the MOST HIGH on the ranks of ranks. Because I'm inside God, even Angels like Michael and Gabriel are below me and at my command, in this divine nature. Let alone the demoted angel lucifer, let alone his principalities like allah (which rule over nations and peoples), (and then the powers and rulers of darkness follow him) and then far below the line you are allah's slave?  After which come the animals and plants and inanimate objects? Can you see the progression?[/size]

[size=16pt]I shed tears for you if you die in this wretched next-to-animal life that you are living, you slave of allah  [/size]

In summary,

[size=16pt]1Jn 4:6  We are [children] of God. Whoever is learning to know God [progressively to perceive, recognize, and understand God by observation and experience, and to get an ever-clearer knowledge of Him] listens to us; and he who is not of God does not listen or pay attention to us. By this we know (recognize) the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error. [/size]

THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE

Morning: that part of the day that determines how the day's gonna roll

U are high on choco, better leave my Kunbee alone

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All of us, or is that one of your lame assumptions?

Profile updates are very easy to wangle on Nairaland

Lepa to baaad

Business as usual is a worthy motto: can we please get back to the game?

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