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achorladey:
I see their open-mindedness sometimes this way from the way they reason

A would be member of their organization is mandated to resign from other Christian denominations whom (they tag false Christians as a result of their false teachings) to join their organisation and that to them equates to leaving Satan to join Jehovah.

But when the same person in the future resign from their organization(as a result of false teachings within the organisation) it becomes such one is leaving Jehovah to join the Devil.

achorladey:
What makes a religion right is its total adherence to God’s Word. Whether our religion meets this criterion or not can only be determined by open-mindedly comparing it with the Bible. Certainly such an important matter as our worship of God should not be determined for us by the coincidence of where we were born. After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Muslim parents controls that......Awake 11/22 1984

We will agree that the ORGANIZATION is indeed open-minded when the third bold above is edited in this way below....


After all, the child born to Catholic parents has had no more control over this fact than the child born to Jehovah's witnesses parents controls that.

Open-mindedness should have enabled the particular writer of this article to use Jehovah's witnesses instead of Muslims.

DappaD:
Hello there. Sorry I couldn’t attend to you earlier I’ve been busy with a lot of work stuff.

Before we begin the discussion, I do believe you agree that all the 66 books, 1,180+ chapters and 31,100+ verses of the Bible were written from inspiration of God’s holy spirit(2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:19-21) because my answers will be directly from the Scriptures and not from my understanding or intuition.
The reason why I say this is that some people who profess belief in God tend to accept some portions of the Scriptures and discard the rest. Titus 1:16




A. Yes, he did have a prehuman existence in fact one prophecy of particular interest which was written foretelling the Messiah’s appearance on earth testifies to this fact.
Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
This saw fulfillment some 700 years later when Jesus was indeed born in Bethlehem. Luke 2:4, John 7:42
Even Jesus himself later attested to having a prehuman existence on a number of occasions. John 8:23, 17:5


B. To get the answer the second part of your question, we have to understand that while Jesus had a prehuman existence, he also had a beginning unlike his God who had always existed. Psalm 90:2, 93:2
The name of Jesus’ God is Jehovah, in fact the very meaning of Jesus’ name means “Jehovah is Salvation” meaning that salvation comes from Jehovah. Isaiah 12:2-4

But Jesus only began to bear that name while on earth(Matthew 1:21) so if that was true and he also had a prehuman existence, then it means that he bore another name while in heaven before he came down to the earth. Wouldn’t you agree?

But before we find out what his prehuman name was, it is worthy to note that before Jehovah God created the heavens and the earth, he had first created a Son who would later turn out to become his master worker along him during creation(Proverbs 8:22-31) through him were created the invisible things(spirit sons of God) and the visible things(the earth and mankind) Colossians 1:16

So when Jehovah said “Let us make man in our image” at Genesis 1:26, he was actually referring to the person who later bore the name “Jesus” on earth. This was after Jehovah employed his firstborn Son during creation after which the other spirit sons of God who were created through Jesus, began to rejoice after the creation of earth and all that was in it. Job 38:7

Evidence that Jesus was created is littered throughout the Scriptures. That was why apostle Paul under inspiration wrote that Jesus is the “firstborn of all creation”—Colossians 1:15-16
A more resounding evidence was the fact that when Jesus was giving instructions to John in the book of Revelations, he called himself: “The beginning of creation by God” or the beginning of God’s creative power—Revelation 3:14
Some people may argue that all of these still doesn’t mean that Jesus is God’s firstborn but what can help us understand it better?
Well, Jacob when he was blessing his sons called his firstborn son, Reuben, “the beginning of [Jacob’s] procreative power” Genesis 49:3

Since that is understood, then if Jesus is God’s firstborn Son as we’ve seen, then wouldn’t you agree that he would have considerable authority over the rest of God’s spirit sons? This then brings us to finding out what Jesus’ name was in his prehuman state.

The Bible reveals that Jehovah used one of his spirit sons (angel/messenger) to lead the Israelites out of Egypt into the promised Land. Exodus 23:20
That name of that angel became known as Michael, because Daniel 12:1 says that he—that is Michael—had been standing in behalf of the Israelites from ancient times and who will also stand up in the future for God’s people on earth. An interesting thought here is that Michael, the archangel(or chief angel) also has command over myriads and legions of angels. Revelation 12:7

How does any of this relate to the name of Jesus in his prehuman state? Well, since Jesus is the one whom the book of Isaiah chapter 11 was talking about, then it strikes any ardent Bible reader that the verse 10 refers to Jesus as the one who will stand up as a signal in behalf of God’s people. This means that on a closer look, what we read earlier about Michael has a significant link with what Isaiah 11:10 says about Jesus.

Also, Jesus while on earth, said himself that he would command the legions of angels when the time comes to destroy the wicked at the end of this system of things. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:11-15
So it wouldn’t make sense that God would have two separate armies of angels in heaven.

All of these and more add volume to the fact that Jesus was actually the archangel Michael in his prehuman state but remains a hidden clue that only serious Bible students would figure out. Daniel 12:4



Jesus himself said that he was sent on an assignment to preach the good news of God’s Kingdom and give his life as a ransom for mankind. Matthew 20:28, Luke 4:43
So while on earth, he still remained God’s firstborn Son as was confirmed by Peter, John and several others. Matthew 16:16, John 20:31
Jesus admitted to the fact that he was not on the same level with God(John 14:28) and that he was to ascend back to his God(John 20:17) so it wouldn’t make sense that after making these statements, some will still say he is God.



Remember that Jesus had considerable authority in his prehuman state, so after Jesus completed his mission on earth, he was given more authority over angels in heaven and the Christian congregation on earth. Matthew 28:18
After God resurrected Jesus(Acts 2:32) he returned to his duty post in heaven but this time, he was elevated to a higher position(Phillipians 2:9-11) so that what he couldn’t do as Michael before his coming to the earth, which was to cast Satan out from God’s presence(Jude 9), he could then do after ascension to heaven. Revelation 12:7-9



Nah, I think any Witness you find including the ones on this forum have the same intellectual capacity to hold these kind of discussions with you. Some may be a bit rash, others calmer but still it’s the same answer you’d get.

MaxInDHouse:
Being OPEN-MINDED connotes the ability to see the value of what involves two persons and how the two can EQUALLY benefit from it.

So if one person feels unconcerned about the other person them there is nothing like open mind.

The purpose of worship is to gather people together and be informed regarding the sacredness of the God or deity that brought them together.
There must be equity, agreement and oneness in thought {John 27:20-23} so that anywhere the worshipers of this deity finds themselves they should be able to relate easily like brothers and sisters {John 13:34-35} but in the case where worshipers aren't united in line of thought then the deity is worthless!

So if you don't believe that you should have the same line of thought on issues having to do with what your God abhor then you can't accuse someone who decided to let you be since you don't find it compulsory to have the same line of thought one sacred matters.

That's why JWs who believes there should be oneness in thought can't waste their precious time arguing with you after all you believe your God doesn't value oneness in thought so why bother the JWs?

The JW must not (i repeat) must not loose sight of anyone who feels worshipers of the same God must beleive and think the same way because those are the ones our Master Lord and King ordered us to fish out! Matthew 10:6; 15:24

MaxInDHouse:
This is really commendable!

Please can you continue like this by pointing out exactly what you want people to know?

You appear more civilized with this post Mr John please continue in this manner!

Janosky:
According to Jesus Christ@ Matthew 24:14,34, "this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all Nations,then the end will come".

Which Generation will see "the end come "?
Is it the Generation who saw Jesus & heard him preach?

Is "this Generation" who saw Jesus Christ not passed away "until all these things in Verses 3 to 35 have happened"?

Bishopkingsley:
MaxInDHouse even said insult and abuse are part of life lol

MaxInDHouse:
Go and search joh you liar!

MaxInDHouse:
Addressed!
So if you're not an extremist please take what the post say as my response to your question or better still present your own conclusions so that we can move on!

Since you've round up you comments saying we should move on, what else do you want?

MaxInDHouse:
I believe mature people should be reasonable enough to make a meaningful comment apart from insults and curses!

MaxInDHouse:
On this thread a commentator claimed that he has been with some organized system of worship but after noticing the flaws in the lives of individuals associated with this organizations he quit and worship only with his nuclear family!
So what should we do when we notice parts of the works of the flesh as Paul recorded in God's word {Galatians 5:19-21} in the lives of humans we believe as our fellow worshipers or SERVANTS of the true God?

Should we allow such to irritate us to the point of quoting our association with fellow believers for worship?

What did Paul said about those who quit their association with organized system of worship and chose to worship in isolation?

Did Paul experience flaws in fellow believers of his time or were they all perfect in the ways they handle all things having to do with sacred services?

Well the next topic of discussion be centered on
ORGANIZED SYSTEM OF WORSHIP, the good side, the bad side, the troubles, the benefits and how God value it!

You're welcome once again, and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for bringing out the question johnw47 at first i was trying to find out what the other guy was asking, i don't appreciate attached videos or files whoever wants to discuss only need to bring out the points he or she wants us to share but when i discovered he's rude and aggressive attitude i decided to ignore him.

"GENERATION"

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen" Matthew 24:34

From the above quotation we are concerned about the colored because it's what bothers all true servants of God right from the time of Abel until now. All the prophets except Jesus of Nazareth were anxious to see the end of this wicked system of things.
For instance Habakkuk in deep thoughts over all the atrocities committed under the sun said to JEHOVAH:

"Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is?" Habakkuk 1:13

So all true servants of God are yearning to see the end of all badness! Act 1:6

When his faithful Apostles approached him in private to ask him questions regarding this big issue {Matthew 24:1-3} Jesus explained that there will be a sign to know that the end is fast approaching. He mentioned so many things that makes them lost in thought {Matthew 24:4-42} though this faithful men also never understood everything Jesus said but they were willing to learn more from this wonderful counselor the world has ever known.

Now what exactly does he mean by the word "Generation" ?

To be continued....

MaxInDHouse:

You will only kill yourself with BP if you fail to have manners.
Instead of politely asking questions like a grown-up you're proving to be rude, shey?
Come and force me to answer you nah!

MaxInDHouse:
So Nimrod made himself a king and began ruling the people and to keep them together so as to fulfil the assignment Satan gave him (monitoring the promised child) that's why God confused their language so that people can scatter all over the earth. Satan knew God has gotten his strategy so he changed the plan which is making one king rule over the entire earth. That's why the demons that's followed Satan scattered throughout the earth monitoring people's lives to know where that promised child will come from.
So kingdoms were built here and there but one king will reign supreme over all the others this is how world powers began. But don't forget Satan's mission (to continue monitoring the lineage of that promised child)
When God called Abraham out from the East and settled him in the land of Canaan most people who heard the story till today keep are saying Abraham's blessings will be theirs as well not knowing that God was protecting the lineage through which that promised child will be born. Genesis 12:1-3
At last when Satan heard that Abraham has gotten the promise Satan began monitoring Abraham's lineage!
That's why Abraham and his descendants went through a lot in the hands of surrounding nation who were under the control of Satan and his demons!
To be continued...

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for sharing your time and data!

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know what you want exactly.
Can you please explain what you want?

MaxInDHouse:
OK let me relieve you of this heavy burden.

So please ask the question because I won't waste my data checking your post!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm still waiting for your response regarding the topic of discussion.
But if you're not interested in that please take a deep breath and open your own thread then invite me so we can discuss on whatever is bothering your mind against JWs.
Thanks for the concern and may you have PEACE!

true2god:
’Eating and drinking’ in the Bible has no different meaning from ’Eating and drinking’ outside the Bible. I told you that over 99% of people that eat and drink, drink water while the rest might take other beverages with their food (alcoholic and non-alcoholic). Making a blanket claim that wherever ’Eating and drinking’ appears mean eating and drinking alcoholic beverages stems from ignorance, stupidity, or poor comprehension and analytical skill which is a prerequisite for being a good False Witness (Jehovah’s witness)


For a thing to be popular doesn’t make it right. The Bible in countless occasions condemned the taking of alcohol. That your organization approves the taking of beer, hard liquor and other hard liquid substance doesn’t make it right. Your organisation had make many things lawful in the past which, when their light becomes darker, makes it unlawful now. It seems you are grossly ignorant of how your organization operates.

Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."

Isaiah 5:11f: "Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.

Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality.

It is even ironic that, while the Bible never condemned birthday in any place, watchtower condemned it because of bad occurrences during two occasions birthday was mentioned in the Bible. You must be unstable and inconsistent to be a loyal JW.

Keep worshipping the 8-men at Brooklyn, NY (US) who are in-charge of how you think and behave.

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome Sir, your contribution to the topic of discussion will be appreciated!

God supported the Israelites during wars in ancient times but when Jesus came he asked us to pray for our enemies. Please can you do justice to that?

MaxInDHouse:
They are just restless feeling hurt but i'll tell you what is tormenting them!

OkCornel:
I’m mistaken, is this thread to lay accusations against the JW? Or to have a reasonable discussion on the scriptures…

MaxInDHouse:
To brother Janosky.

Please leave the arguments and let whoever wants to discredit God's people continue talking to themselves.

One of them has given the greatest EVIDENCE we need on this forum that cannot be undone!



This commentator has put Mr RussellRutherfo to silence because it's exactly what i'm asking him that this commentator typed with his own fingers in the highlighted!

Which means there is no other Organization worth associating with than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Perhaps someone can correct me if i'm wrong because that's what i grasped out of his epistle.

So if Mr RussellRutherfo can't PRESENT a better performing group and one of the critics says there's no other gathering that's better than JWs then it's obvious that they're just deceiving themselves!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible book of Genesis 1:28

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

The colored says "Be fruitful and become many" now one of my Bible students asked the question:
"if truly God instructed us to bear Children, how come some servants of God in Bible times never had children?"


So let's deliberate on this as the first topic of our Bible study!

Fkj202004:
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